North Carolina Academic Scandal: Why Did Basketball Players Stop Majoring in African and Afro-American Studies in 2009?
North Carolina’s growing academic scandal involving athletes hasn’t yet embarrassed Roy Williams and the basketball program. But will it?
The school’s internal investigation into the academic scandal went back to 2007, and found that “Football and basketball players accounted for nearly four of every 10 students enrolled in 54 classes,” all within UNC’s Department of African and Afro-American studies. Football and basketball players make up less than 1 percent of the UNC undergraduate population.
The academic fraud led the NCAA to slap the football team with a bowl ban and scholarship reductions, and it is one of the primary reasons coach Butch Davis was fired.
What if the internal investigation stretched back further? And focused on the basketball team? The school would find that seven members of UNC’s title-winning team coached by Roy Williams in 2005 majored in African/Afro-American Studies. The Indy Star documented it in 2010:
That includes Sean May of the Sacramento Kings, the Bloomington prep star and son of former IU star Scott May. Sean May entered the NBA after three years in college, capped by an NCAA title in 2005. He graduated last summer.
May said he started as a double major with communications, but dropped it so he could graduate faster after leaving for the NBA.
Afro-American and African studies, May said, offered “more independent electives, independent study. I could take a lot of classes during the season. Communications, I had to be there in the actual classroom. We just made sure all the classes I had to take, I could take during the summer.”
Interesting quote from May, especially since he didn’t graduate until 2009, years after leaving Chapel Hill. For the conspiracy theorists: it appears May changed his major after coach Matt Doherty was fired and Roy Williams arrived.
But here’s really why Roy Williams might be faced with tough questions about his program and the academic scandal: Wayne Walden, his academic right hand man at Kansas and UNC.
Walden was with Roy Williams at Kansas. He was the basketball team’s academic adviser for 15 years. Then, when Williams left for UNC in 2003, Walden went with him and filled the same role – academic support for men’s basketball, overseeing scheduling, registration, structured study halls, tutorial services, etc. The two were close, obviously. Here’s what Williams said about Walden in the book “Going Home Again“:
According to UNC, Walden left his role as Associate Director of the Academic Support Program on June 26, 2009 – 14 months before the academic scandal was revealed. According to this wedding announcement, Walden got married June 28th, 2009, and left to start a new career.
Roy Williams got tearful while mentioning Walden’s departure, as you can see in this video.
According to UNC, Walden remained at the school during the summer, and his official departure date was Sept. 1, 2009. But according to UNC’s registrar webpage, Walden was listed here (Spring 2010), here (Fall 2010), here (Fall 2011) and here (Spring 2011) as the “responsible person” for the Men and Women’s Swimming and Diving teams, overseeing between 66-78 athletes.
I spoke briefly to Walden by phone this morning, and his response to being listed on the registrars as the “responsible person” for the swimming and diving teams was, “that’s not accurate.”
Walden, who is currently living in Texas, where he has been employed at a non-profit since 2010 according to his now-removed Linkedin profile, wouldn’t elaborate any further about advising the basketball team or the academic scandal. (I previously sent him an email seeking comment on the scandal, to which he replied, “I’m sorry to not have responded sooner. I do not believe it is appropriate for me to comment on your story.”)
There was another North Carolina administrative departure in the summer of 2009: Deb Crowder. As an administrator in the African and Afro-American Studies Department, she had “unusual access” according to the News & Observer, and her duties included “making sure records were kept, schedules followed and phones answered.”
Here’s what the Herald-Sun wrote about Crowder, who had worked at the school since 1979:
UNC’s report stated that Deborah Crowder was a long-term administrator for the department and she retired in September 2009. She declined requests for interviews, and because she was retired, the University could not compel her cooperation, UNC’s report said.
All key paperwork related to department course registrations and grade rolls flowed directly through the department administrator’s hands to the Office of the Registrar, the report said. Because she would not cooperate with UNC’s investigation, it could not be determined if she had any role in the irregularities.
Deb Crowder didn’t return a call seeking comment, but I spoke with a relative of hers, Dorothy Crowder (who was employed by UNC in a different capacity). Dorothy refused to talk about Deborah’s connection to the academic scandal, but did take a moment to rail against Dan Kane of the News & Observer, I imagine for this story, which ran in June.
So in 2009, a year before the scandal went public, the academic adviser to the basketball team – a team which had a history of players who majored in African and Afro-American Studies – left UNC, as did a longtime administrator in that department. Since the departures of Walden and Crowder, records obtained by the News & Observer (click here for the UNC academic info PDF) show a dramatic drop in athletes majoring in African and Afro-American Studies. We specifically looked at the basketball team’s numbers in that major from when Roy Williams took over in 2003-2004, and here are the numbers we found (African & Afro-American majors/players who had chosen a major):
2003-04 AA 5/13
2004-05 AA 7/13 <—- Won NCAA title.
2005-06 AA 3/11
2006-07 AA 3/15
2007-08 AA 2/12
2008-09 AA 1/16 <— Walden and Crowder left after this school year.
2009-10 AA 0/10
2010-11 AA 0/8
2011-12 AA 0/9
The school has redacted many details in the few documents they have made public (the News & Observer has been all over it), and many others are tied up in court.
With reporting from Jacob Kiper.

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July 26th, 2012 at 3:42 PM
Fire Roy Williams and as far as UNC Basketball is concerned…
SHUT IT DOWN!
July 26th, 2012 at 3:45 PM
Quality piece TBL, whole lot of stuff I didn’t know.
July 26th, 2012 at 3:50 PM
Looks like Walden and Crowder broke camp just before things went tango uniform. Looks bad.
I’m interested in seeing how far the NCAA pushes this issue.
July 26th, 2012 at 3:51 PM
I spoke briefly to Walden by phone this morning, and his response to being listed on the registrars as the “responsible person” for the swimming and diving teams was, “
that’s not accuratehow’d you get this number!?”/cold call Mursdays
July 26th, 2012 at 3:54 PM
I’m guessing “shut it down” will be said on almost every thread from now on.
July 26th, 2012 at 3:57 PM
Jason if you bring down UNC basketball I promise to never give you shit for anything ever again.
July 26th, 2012 at 3:58 PM
This was excellent. Nicely done.
July 26th, 2012 at 3:58 PM
Well, because that’s the year Afro-Americans went mainstream.
/ Obama’d
July 26th, 2012 at 3:59 PM
What about TEAR IT DOWN!?
July 26th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
One to zero is a “dramatic drop”?
July 26th, 2012 at 4:03 PM
Nice to see JMac, PI has finally given up on finding McNair’s killer. Now he’s SHUTTING EM DOWN!!!
July 26th, 2012 at 4:04 PM
where’d the post about the football cards go?
July 26th, 2012 at 4:04 PM
it’s 100%, duvall
July 26th, 2012 at 4:04 PM
No but three straight years of zero raises eyebrows…although I’m not sure why if the department head was in on it Walden leaving would have changed things, couldn’t someone else have set the players up (unless I’m missing something in the time line)
July 26th, 2012 at 4:07 PM
Why Did Basketball Players Stop Majoring in African and Afro-American Studies in 2009?
Because 2009 is when racism stopped.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Jason this is the sort of thing you used to do a lot more of. I liked this a great deal and I hope you stay on a similar path.
/dong pics
July 26th, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Deb Crowder didn’t return a call seeking comment, but I spoke with a relative of hers, Dorothy Crowder
McIntyre. You better watch where you step with this. That Crowder clan is a rough bunch.
/Justfied.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:14 PM
it’s a grey area
July 26th, 2012 at 4:14 PM
it’s a grey area
July 26th, 2012 at 4:14 PM
Crow-dair? It’s Crow-dah, say it right!!!
/Come back here! I’m not through demeaning you!
July 26th, 2012 at 4:15 PM
Looks like Roy inherited the problem maybe? In his last 7 years there were a total of 9 kids majoring in that field and his first 2 years there were a total of 12. Seems like it was getting better under Roy.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:15 PM
Roy Williams is already saying that this article is worse than Mein Kampf.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:16 PM
Prerequisite course is English and Mushroom Cut-Canadian Studies.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:16 PM
North Carolina’s growing academic scandal involving athletes hasn’t yet embarrassed Roy Williams and the basketball program.
Roy Williams is shameless
July 26th, 2012 at 4:16 PM
Jason this is the sort of thing you used to do a lot more of.
links to entertainment weekly portfolio?
July 26th, 2012 at 4:17 PM
When are people going to realize that college athletics, like everything else, has shady aspects to it? I took two classes in college that were LOADED with athletes and they happened to be the two easiest classes, by far, that I had at said university. I never thought twice about it. This is how the world works, people. Stop acting like we’re shocked by this stuff.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:18 PM
What about BBQ-American Studies?
Majoring in Vinegar
July 26th, 2012 at 4:18 PM
THE PEOPLE DEMAND MORE DONG PICS
July 26th, 2012 at 4:18 PM
Because 2009 is when racism stopped.
haha – awesome
July 26th, 2012 at 4:20 PM
The athletes are only required to use the microwave to re-heat leftovers
July 26th, 2012 at 4:20 PM
I just think its awesome that they actually created a whole major of studies just for athletes.
/waits for backlash
July 26th, 2012 at 4:21 PM
Take the rape peen to the other thread.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:21 PM
thanks. these are exhaustive pieces that take (in this case) weeks to complete. certainly not easy.
Jacob’s reporting was pivotal, too. He got the ball rolling. the guy is terrific.
i called Wayne for five days straight (multiple times a day) before he picked up. i had to turn my phone to “# doesn’t show up” (the iphone is great) before he finally did.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:21 PM
sas, I get a feeling that once Walden left, those left behind knew that program was not legit. Why didn’t others speak out earlier? I have no idea.
Looks like with Walden’s departure, they tried to scrub all connection between the program and the team. It seems that is all whitewash at this point (no pun intended).
July 26th, 2012 at 4:22 PM
When are people going to realize that college athletics, like everything else, has shady aspects to it?
now is as good a time as any. i’m in
July 26th, 2012 at 4:23 PM
Guess which Big XII Program is the only one to offer a African-American Studies Major?
July 26th, 2012 at 4:24 PM
why the hell would you ever major in african & afro-american studies? the more common “independent studies” is at least broad enough to serve some sort of purpose post-college.
isn’t this really just another step in the direction of paying college athletes? IMO, most are either a student OR an athlete, very few are both.
college sports is the next Too Big To Fail documentary.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:24 PM
Is that what Fetch is studying?
July 26th, 2012 at 4:24 PM
seems like Hispanic Studies is more relevant and important
/half our pop by 2050
//hispanic panic
July 26th, 2012 at 4:26 PM
Dang, I dunno. If you in particular asked this last year, I woulda guessed Mizzou.
Mebbe Kansas?
July 26th, 2012 at 4:26 PM
Guess which Big XII Program is the only one to offer a African-American Studies Major?
Hook Em
July 26th, 2012 at 4:26 PM
college sports is the next Too Big To Fail documentary.
Great movie. Watched it on the plane during vacation. The only poor acting is James “Overact Much?” Woods.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:26 PM
When are people going to realize that college athletics, like everything else, has shady aspects to it? I took two classes in college that were LOADED with athletes and they happened to be the two easiest classes, by far, that I had at said university. I never thought twice about it. This is how the world works, people. Stop acting like we’re shocked by this stuff.
I took bowling my final semester. Needed 1 more hour for graduation in an elective. My main course work was Biology and Chemistry. Guess which one I had all the football players in? Of course, they were there, rolling the ball to earn the grade.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:27 PM
Crow-dair? It’s Crow-dah, say it right!!!
Raylan Givens: You didn’t happen to bring your rocket launcher, did you?
Boyd Crowder: I didn’t think to pack one.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:28 PM
Guess which Big XII Program is the only one to offer a African-American Studies Major?
Hook Em
Rock Chalk.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:29 PM
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/jun/15/athletes-tendencies-cluster-certain-academic-field/?print
July 26th, 2012 at 4:29 PM
Public Enemy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB4D-GbQ9A4
/YEAAAAAAAAAA BOYYYYYY
//Never liked Roy Boy.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:30 PM
The media has to act shocked at this stuff because for years they’ve been helping to push the NCAA’s laughable “these guys are serious students” narrative. The media has created the aura of guys like Paterno and Williams who can do no wrong and are just down to earth good old fashioned coaches, not people who would break rules to win games and protect themselves and fuck over lots of other people in the process.
The media wants you to think that it’s pure, it’s not, because these guys are businessmen. Now they get to act sanctimonious when people start looking into things that the sports media as a whole should have been paying attention to a lot longer.
I look forward to ESPN giving this story the Reggie Bush treatment.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:30 PM
This is how the world works, people. Stop acting like we’re shocked by this stuff.
Nobody is shocked. McIntyre has his eyes set on that powder blue devil in Chapel Hill and I am not going to get in his way.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:32 PM
I would like to throw my hat in the ring and offer to teach the following courses:
The History And Strategy Of Madden Football – final is Madden Tourney
Internet Memes as a second language
Practical Guide To Making Prison Wine – Final is wine tasting
Why You Cunts Are Serfs – Exam is the reality of your lives
July 26th, 2012 at 4:33 PM
I’d like to hear the opinion of African American majors who happened to be regular students (non-athletes) during this same time period. I’m guessing they, too, should be ridiculed for being in that major, and I”m also guessing they’d say something like – “everyone knew that was an easy major.”
July 26th, 2012 at 4:34 PM
so what was the original reporting by jacob and tbl? counting the number of bb players in the classes and calling walden and crowder?
not trying to criticize, just making sure i understand
July 26th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
Please, speak for yourself. Frankly I am shocked, shocked to find that
gamblingcheating is going on at UNC.July 26th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
You realize the players in this case are being ridiculed because they didn’t attend the classes or do the independent studies that they were signed up for but were given credit by the professor at the heart of it. Right?
July 26th, 2012 at 4:36 PM
As for clustering, when will someone do some serious reporting on why 95% of all the Phi Mus & Chi-Os major in Psychology? This madness must end!!!!
Also, I took classes based on what my friends were in, who the professor was, the reputation of the difficulty of the class, etc. Athletes are better at it because they have academic advisors who know the same thing and pass the knowledge on.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:37 PM
I thought that was an issue with the football team? Were the football players in the same major?
July 26th, 2012 at 4:37 PM
Am I missing something here? There seems to be nothing “illegal” about any of these accusations. Athletes tended to major in certain subjects. Just like hippies tend to major in liberal arts and nerds major in math and chemistry. I’m not saying there is nothing shady going on, but usually when we see the NCAA drop the hammer on a school its for money/forgery.
Is the implication that maybe as this gets further explored, some of that will come to light? Because right now, the story I see is “Breaking: Athletes at top NCAA program take easiest classes possible.”
July 26th, 2012 at 4:38 PM
and why are there no Caucasian Studies?
July 26th, 2012 at 4:38 PM
I wanna play.
I would like to throw my hat in the ring and offer to teach the following courses:
- History of the X-Men – why brain damage was an integral part of Scott Summers’ powers & psychosis
- TOTO: the Fergie Fredriksen years
- The Thin Man as Detective Archetype – cocktails before lunch, murder after dinner
- Driving Slow in the Fast Lane – learn to handle the stress in your life, and share that stress with others
July 26th, 2012 at 4:40 PM
google caucasian studies in u.s. universities, and the first page at least has nothing except studies of Caucasus
July 26th, 2012 at 4:40 PM
Guess which Big XII Program is the only one to offer a African-American Studies Major?
Most of our athletes come from out of state and we must educate them on the racist*, murderous slavers to our east.
*in certain parts of the state.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Yeah man, that was Franco-American Spaghetti O’s presents Afro American Studies as well. All centered around Julius Nyang’oro, one of the professors in the department.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:43 PM
Well the football investigation found massive fraud problems within this major relating to athletes, so I took the point here to be to try and look to see if there was overlap.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:43 PM
With meatballs?
July 26th, 2012 at 4:43 PM
this post needs some cornell west
July 26th, 2012 at 4:44 PM
so I took the point here to be to try and look to see if there was overlap.
and is there?
July 26th, 2012 at 4:44 PM
And the next step would be that basketball players were in the major, were not attending class, were not completing necessary independent studies, and therefore…are in big trouble.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:45 PM
What were those final exams Jim Harrick was giving when he was at Georgia?,
Question 1: Where does Duke University play their home games?
July 26th, 2012 at 4:46 PM
this post needs some cornell west
Would you like angry Cornell West?
July 26th, 2012 at 4:47 PM
So during the initial investigation only the football team was investigated? The NCAA discovered fraud, but ignored it as it was related to all student-athletes, choosing the focus on football? I guess that is the part that doesn’t make sense. I read the piece on the fraud that TBL linked and it’s not clear on this.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:47 PM
Am I missing something here? There seems to be nothing “illegal” about any of these accusations. Athletes tended to major in certain subjects. Just like hippies tend to major in liberal arts and nerds major in math and chemistry. I’m not saying there is nothing shady going on, but usually when we see the NCAA drop the hammer on a school its for money/forgery.
Is the implication that maybe as this gets further explored, some of that will come to light? Because right now, the story I see is “Breaking: Athletes at top NCAA program take easiest classes possible.”
Yes, there was academic fraud that originated from certain classes out of that program, and a certain professor, where people never attended anything or did work.
Sure, there are different majors at a university with varying degrees of difficulty. I’m sure there was a course of study within this program that was more difficult. The issue is fraud. Clustering isn’t fraudulent, but it can be a warning sign of the potential for fraud to be occurring if the clustering is occurring around a particular professor or set of course work.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:48 PM
“How many points does a three-pointer give your team” was one of my favorites.
/Cornel West.
//Prof. West is still a clown however you spell his name.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:48 PM
Well there would seem to be with the major itself but dude was teaching specific “classes” so without looking at players’ transcripts I don’t think that TBL could draw that conclusion.
Let’s be honest though, if UNC was cooking the books for the football team, they’re doing it for the basketball team too.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:49 PM
Yeah I’m not sure either. This could all well have been investigated already for all we know I guess.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:51 PM
please re-read what happened to the football team, what major was at the center of the academic fraud, and then try again.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Resources/Latest+News/2012/March/UNC+receives+postseason+ban+scholarship+reductions
July 26th, 2012 at 4:51 PM
Would you like angry Cornell West?
is it anything like an annoyed harry edwards?
July 26th, 2012 at 4:52 PM
maybe. why were so many basketball players in the major? why did they suddenly stop in 2009? if UNC would release the documents (not redacted) we might get a better idea of what went on.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:52 PM
if tbl keeps this journalism thing going he’ll need an ombudsman
July 26th, 2012 at 4:54 PM
TBL –
But my follow up question was this, which I simply am unclear on:
“So during the initial investigation only the football team was investigated? The NCAA discovered fraud, but ignored it as it was related to all student-athletes, choosing the focus on football? I guess that is the part that doesn’t make sense. I read the piece on the fraud that TBL linked and it’s not clear on this.”
July 26th, 2012 at 4:55 PM
why were so many basketball players in the major?
Because they are black as are most football and basketball players tend to be.
why did they suddenly stop in 2009?
Comment #15.
/Just pulling your leg. This was an interesting read.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:56 PM
Also, great work with the story TBL, I just was/am unsure about why the NCAA would investigate, bust the football team, and ignore the basketball team, if they were guilty of similar violations.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:57 PM
if UNC would release the documents (not redacted) we might get a better idea of what went on.
is that an FOI target?
July 26th, 2012 at 4:59 PM
It’s not Monday!
July 26th, 2012 at 5:01 PM
yes, Walking
July 26th, 2012 at 5:02 PM
Raze – very good question. i dont have an answer. a guess? the internal report stopped at 07. (why did it stop there?)
if they go back to 04 …
July 26th, 2012 at 5:03 PM
Also, great work with the story TBL, I just was/am unsure about why the NCAA would investigate, bust the football team, and ignore the basketball team, if they were guilty of similar violations.
a) the internal investigation and release of records has often been slow and obstructionist. Who are they protecting?
b) unlike most athletic departments, who is the cornerstone sport, the one that you would protect, here? Basketball for the Tar Heels, right?
that doesn’t mean something’s going on, but they’ve been very expansive in interpreting what documents they hold out in releasing.
July 26th, 2012 at 5:04 PM
Thanks for answering!
July 26th, 2012 at 5:04 PM
Maybe. I’m pretty defensive about this stuff, being from Auburn, where the “smoke and fire” arguments proved untrue. Nice, thorough post, though. A welcome relief on the heels of CRM’s Dong post.
July 26th, 2012 at 5:04 PM
yes, Walking
good luck on the request
/btw, i prefer Underwear
July 26th, 2012 at 5:05 PM
raze – keep in mind the basketball team’s history and status.
while working on this, a theory someone floated my way (NOT saying i buy this): UNC looked behind the curtain, saw some things it didn’t like, and said, “if we throw the football team under the bus quickly, it’ll take the scent off the hoops team. let’s admit guilt, purge the program, take our punishment from the ncaa, and hope it goes away.”
*I hate the phrase under the bus, sorry.
July 26th, 2012 at 5:06 PM
Hey, now. He’s part of our intelligentsia. Yeah, he’s been seduced by the spotlight the last few years, but he’s a learned cat.
July 26th, 2012 at 5:07 PM
Because the academic advisor left in 2009…new advisor comes in and says “Communications?! Afro-American Studies?!”
/Even Lubchecko know! Is phony major. Lubchenko learn nothing. Nothing!
July 26th, 2012 at 5:08 PM
That was definitely something I was thinking as well. It just seems odd (or maybe I’m just being naive) that the NCAA would get far enough into an investigation to bust the football team, with overlapping violations by the basketball team, and somehow miss or ignore it. Although this is the NCAA we are talking about.
July 26th, 2012 at 5:09 PM
Still have my strikethrough-failure streak going. Very proud of it.
July 26th, 2012 at 5:13 PM
and hope it goes away.
this ain’t pennsylvania!
July 26th, 2012 at 5:14 PM
This was a great piece. Well done.
July 26th, 2012 at 5:16 PM
TVF still has a better mix of posts tho
July 26th, 2012 at 5:20 PM
I much prefer under the ….. goddamnit I can’t recall what kind of car hit Rameses.
July 26th, 2012 at 8:27 PM
So, the internal review of the academic scandal is almost up.
http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/07/25/2220992/faculty-review-of-fraud-at-unc.html
Guess who’s running it? Jan Boxill.
What did Jan used to do at UNC?
Learning Skills Coordinator, UNC-Student Athlete Development Center
Freshmen Academic Success Program Coordinator, UNC-Student Athlete Development Center
Tutor Coordinator/Supervisor, UNC-Student Athlete Development Center
Intern Supervisor, UNC Student Athlete Development Center
http://philosophy.unc.edu/people/faculty/jan-boxill/curvitae
July 27th, 2012 at 7:56 AM
Nicely done, Jason.
July 27th, 2012 at 9:52 AM
http://www.tarheelblog.com/2012/07/the-big-lead-takes-on-uncs-academic-scandal/
During the 2006-07 season, three players majored in AFAM: Mike Copeland, Quentin Thomas, and Reyshawn Terry. Terry graduated in ’07, which why the number drops from 3 to 2 from ’07 to ’08. Thomas graduated in ’08, which is why the number drops from 2 to 1 from ’08 to ’09. Copeland graduated in ’09, which is why the number drops from 1 to 0 from ’09 to ’10.
The number of UNC students majoring in AFAM did not fall to zero in ’09 because Walden left: it fell to zero because Copeland graduated. The number of AFAM majors on the basketball team had been declining since 2005. No player declared for the major after 2006, three years before Walden left and five years before the fraud in the AFAM department came to light. Yes, players continued to take these classes as electives after 2006, like hundreds of non-athlete students, but they also took some of those classes after Walden left.
If your insinuation is that basketball players stopped majoring in AFAM because Walden left, it’s not true. If your insinuation is that players stopped taking AFAM classes because Walden left, that’s not true either.
July 27th, 2012 at 9:58 AM
Jason,
This is either a very poorly reported or a poorly researched article. While I understand the excitement on your part about drawing attention to a potentially large academic scandal at one of the most, if not most prestigious basketball programs in the nation, and I understand your desire to gain more hits to your website and writing, breaking a story should not come at the expense of honesty in journalism.
Case in point, if your research was done in due diligence, you would’ve undoubtedly uncovered the students that were majoring in AFAM during these years and would have seen the dwindling numbers and only a handful of new AFAM major declarations under Roy Williams. You would have also noted that of the courses in AFAM that the internal investigations revealed as “suspect”, only had an enrollment of 3% basketball players, and the majority of students being non-athletes. All of these facts were contained in the articles and sources that you garner your information from and yet your chose to omit them. If this is the case, then I can only conclude that your did not, in fact, perform your research with due diligence, or your present your “facts” with the intention to mislead readers into drawing baseless conclusions.
While I understand that there is apparently no oversight in what TheBigLead reports, in my field of work, based on objective and factual reporting of findings, reports such as yours would essentially be (ironically enough) academically fraudulent. I understand that you are trying to get hits for your website, but if this is what you consider quality research (ie. reading a few local paper reports and an online NC State message board while running with the baseless theories of anonymous strangers on the internet who have a bone to pick with UNC) then I have to say that I am disappointed.
Your agenda with this article is very clear and apparent, which greatly damages the credibility of your findings.
July 27th, 2012 at 1:25 PM
True, but basketball players make up only 0.043% of the total student population (13/29,930), so a basketball player was 69 times more likely to show up in an AFAM class than an average student on campus.
The biggest thing Carolina fans should be concerned about is if an external review considers data from the AFAM department dating back to the time Julius N. began overseeing the department, which I believe was the late 90s, and it’s determined any of the members of the basketball teams from 2005 or 2009 were deemed to have received fraudulent academic credit during that time frame. My understanding of things is, in the eyes of the NCAA, if even one player from that 2005 team (who all majored in AFAM) was determined to have received fraudulent credit for a class necessary to maintaining his eligibility (i.e. good academic standing), then it could result in nullifying their ’05 title.
Do I *think* that will happen? No. The NCAA has shown not even the slightest hint of a desire to investigate the basketball side of the equation, despite the overwhelming evidence that basketball players at one time–if not today–were heavily clustered into a fraudulent major. They seem content to let the News & Observer do all the sniffing and digging for now, and will likely only spring into action when it’s absolutely necessary (in other words, a hand-written note from Roy or Matt Doherty thanking Julius N. for adjusting player grades to keep them eligible, and while he’s crazy, not even Roy is that stupid).
July 27th, 2012 at 1:30 PM
Upon re-read, I may have goofed on the math a bit (there’s a reason I couldn’t hack it in computer engineering, I suppose), so while the number I presented might not be as high as “69 times more likely,” they certainly showed up in AFAM classes at a far higher percentage than your average student at Carolina did, relative to what percentage of the overall percentage of the student body they represent.
July 27th, 2012 at 2:31 PM
To RnR_NCSU,
Oh dear, athletes with giant practice commitments, travel commitments, etc. take easier classes than the general school populous. You don’t say!? But I’m sure that if I go down the list of NCSU basketball players, I’ll just see EE majors everywhere. Every student at every college in the USA knows what the easier classes are. They don’t need an advisor or a coach or a rogue professor to forward them there. So if you want to accuse athletes for scheduling easier classes, please show me how that violates any sort of NCAA violation. And please explain to me how the 60% enrollment of non-athletes suggests an athletic department propagation of academic fraud.
It’s an institution problem, yes and the people at UNC are undoubtedly very embarrassed by it, but all this is reaching and built on assumption after assumption on insinuation after insinuation. But there is nothing in this article that is “new” or sheds any light. It’s simply a cherry picking and misrepresentation of numbers by someone with an agenda. When an author’s agenda is so blatant and obvious, they are not doing a good job of reporting.
July 27th, 2012 at 4:26 PM
I agree with that.
I think the point perhaps you and many UNC fans are missing is it’s not that UNC’s athletes are turning out in disproportionately higher numbers in one notoriously easy department. Yes, that happens at State, Duke, Wake, and every other college and university with mid-major/high-major athletics programs. It’s that they appear–based on the timelines and evidence–to have been steered toward a particular major by their athletic advisors that is known to have provided fraudulent instruction.
The department head claimed to have taught classes he never showed for. He (JN) or someone on his staff, forged their signatures on the final assignments submitted. In some cases, grades were changed.
The activities undertaken by JN and the “structure” of the classes (i.e. no classes) MADE the major easy. And they seem to be activities done–in the instance of the class that contained 100% current or former football players added after summer school began, meaning it wasn’t listed in the course catalog for the general student population–with the sole purpose of ensuring these student athletes maintained their eligibility and stayed on track toward graduation.
The question we all want answered is did any of these fraudulent classes with zero instruction or grade fixing make the difference between an athlete dipping below the GPA requirements for eligibility or staying eligible. If a player relied on a B or A in a fraudulent AFAM class to stay barely eligible, that’s a big no-no.
Easy As in-and-of-themselves aren’t breaking NCAA bylaws (lord knows UNC’s got plenty of them) but it’s HOW they became so easy that’s at issue.
(And let me say this…it appears that the proliferation of basketball players in the AFAM dropped off shortly after Roy’s arrival. Now, whether that’s because Roy knew well enough about the shadiness of the AFAM department to steer them clear of it or because it was only the prior regime–i.e. Matt Doherty–that appears to have been funneling his players into this major. But I think the premise of this article is shaky if we’re to believe that Walden–under Roy’s direction–was the reason for the bball players in AFAM.
But who knows…Roy/Walden might be as dirty as JM paints in this article and simply told the players to cease *majoring* in AFAM, but take as many electives as possible within the department. We’ll never know, I guess, since UNC’s hiding behind every possible piece of legislation they can in releasing these players’ transcripts.)
July 27th, 2012 at 5:05 PM
RnR_NCSU:
While I appreciate your respectful commentary, you continue to perpetuate the rumors and baseless innuendo coming out of Raleigh (and now Lexington, Ky., apparently).
For example, yes, grades appear to have been changed without authorization: but not only do we not know whether the grades changes were justified–even if done improperly or fraudulently–we don’t know if those grade changes were for athletes or non-athletes. We don’t even know in which class(es) those grades were changed. But NC State alums presumed that athletes’ grades were fraudulently changed because it fit with their desired narrative.
It’s not unusual for classes to be added late to the schedule because the Department notices that students need more options to fulfill graduation requirements. It is also not unusual for professors to limit enrollment to allow majors to have first dibs on enrollment. I was turned away from several classes because the enrollment was restricted.
Now, if it was common practice for the athlete’s academic counselors to be notified of new classes added to the schedule, in order to make sure the athletes get the classes they need, that explains why athletes were “steered” to those courses: “Hey, we just wanted to let you, student athlete X, know this AFAM class is going to open up. You can use it to fulfill Y requirement.”
July 27th, 2012 at 5:15 PM
I should add that the academic counselors for the athletes are not supposed to make those suggestions, and it was wrong for them to do so, but that doesn’t mean any fraudulent or bad faith act was committed. Even the faculty, which does not approve of the status of college athletics at all and is going out of its way to tie athletics to the AFAM scandal, admitted that it was probably the result of scarce counseling resources.
July 30th, 2012 at 10:30 AM
First off all, NC State doesn’t have a monopoly on desiring the fall of UNC athletics–there are plenty of folks outside of Raleigh hoping for some sort of comeuppance for the Heels, and your reference to Lexington, KY, speaks to that.
Second, the quote above is true–there are a great many things about all of this mess that we don’t have answers to. But that’s due in large part to the obstructive response of UNC to many, many FOI requests from the media seeking answers. The NCAA cites UNC’s “fully cooperative” response to their investigation, but the Heels have been anything but in all other phases of this process.
In lieu of giving Dan Kane/The N&O the information that could either exonerate UNC or in the very least expedite the process, they’ve stalled, hemmed and hawed…leaving Kane the latitude to draw his own conclusions. And since we’re programmed to believe those who refuse to cooperate are the ones who are guilty, it’s an easy leap for the reader to assume the Heels have something to hide.
The truth could ultimately end up being not much to write home about…but the cover-up is making it worse for UNC.
July 31st, 2012 at 1:14 AM
First of all, you guys are talking about this like it’ll happen. There’s plenty of smoke here, but most of it is being blown up our asses. We’re talking about a guy who’s poking around a southern basketball powerhouse, trying to get a tight knit group of old, or even retired folks to come clean about something that probably never happened, and then writing about it to get the attention.
UNC is not a school full of cheaters and wannabes. It’s the flagship school of a relatively easy going state inbetween the places yankees dwell, depending on what point in life they’re at. It’s always taken cheating seriously, and I remember them crucifying a few students while I was there for work done collectively out of class. I’m tired of Davis’ shadow screwing with our academic rep. It’s just not true of 19,900 kids at UNC.
Secondly, when we wanted to get an easy A at UNC we often told each other what to take. Anthropology is a walk for anyone with parents in the liberal arts. Most college kids had mothers and fathers that told them something about being human, and that’s the gist of the whole course. You could take the test without taking the class minus a few specific dates and names. AFAM was considered way easy when I was there, years before we were winning. As a matter of fact, the year Tayshan Prince opened the game against us, UNC 0 – TPrince 15 on 5/5 3 point shooting, largely, because our point guard dribbled the ball off his own foot and out of bounds 2 times in a row…..breathe, we were so awful we were the laughing stock of the sport till Notre Dame sent us MattyYellYell. Yes. It’s true AFAM has been synonomous with easy for a while.
Thirdly, if you are Native American, the chances of you taking courses on your own history are pretty high. Do I have to spell the rest out for you, NC State? If it doesn’t have African American in the name, it’s about the rest of us rednecks and the shit we’ve been doing. Those courses are mandated for them, despite the fact that most of the material is about what rich white people did to their relatives. It’s nice for someone to point to a Cornell West or a Booker T Washington passage and give you soem perspective when you’ve been swallowing Keats and Coleridge and waiting on a black president till last decade…..
That said. There is another article about this that explains the years that each student athlete stops taking AFAM in 2006. They graduated dufus. One at a time. I think the last guy ouot was Copeland, who certainly aint burnin up the NBA. My other favorite idiotic misplaced glance goes to the arrow pointing towards 2009. They point out that the old lady who’d been taking care of the kids (and the university’s obvious investment in them) RETIRED. I would too if I’d been there long enough, and so would you. Normalcy reigns gentlemen.
Last, but not least, this constant whining about refusing to release records about students…..I wouldn’t expect Mikey K to do any less if a reporter or the entire N&O staff were snooping around (We can talk about the N&O’s spotty record on uh, EVERYTHING later…) and if my kid were going to UNC, I would want their personal lives and academic activities to be under lock and key. I suppose the paper wants to know what books they’ve been reading in their spare time as well? Why don’t we ask the CIA to step in and maybe shake them down one at a time in an alley somewhere?
State sucks. The new year may change that. We stopped caring about your shitty basketball team years ago. I can give you all one more hug than V got running around that floor in 83′, but it won’t make up for the championships UNC and Duke have brought to the triangle while you finally realized Herb was your best hope (and you scared him away) and with Wake Forest languishing, there have only been a couple of teams on Tobacco Road this last DECADE. If you look hard enough for something, you’ll find evidence of it, but a crack in the concrete on a baseball field doesn’t mean Jimmy Hoffa is buried there. The slight whiff of catshit in the alley doesn’t mean there’s pussy in the Kung Pao Chicken, and black kids taking easy courses about black kids and getting attention from the faculty doesn’t mean that they’re getting free A’s.
Let me give you one last annecdote. I’m walking through frat court in 2003 and my suite mate says, “man AFAM is boring.” I say how boring is it? “First the football team fell asleep, and then the rest of us did.” True story.
July 31st, 2012 at 12:19 PM
Never thought I’d see Herb brought into this debate. You’re right…we scared off a great coach. His multiple trips to the Sweet 16 since leaving for ASU have proven how wrong we were.
We got it wrong hiring Herb’s replacement, but I’d say the new guy’s off to a decent start. In one year, he matched Herb’s # of Sweet 16s and signed three McDonalds All Americans—only one shy of Herb’s 10-year total at State.
Again, why was Herb introduced into this argument? It’s easy to understand why you miss him, but we’ve moved on, and so should you.
To the point at hand: I’m glad you’re confident that UNC’s clean as a whistle. Were I a UNC fan, I doubt I could be as cocksure as yourself given everything that’s come to light to this point.
August 1st, 2012 at 4:20 PM
Dude, I hope you check this sooner than later, because I don’t want you to think that I lose more than a few winks over whatever Yao and yours have screwed up lately. It’s called twisting the knife. No punches pulled. It’s not fake, man, I really have three rogue thoughts in the back of my head for State bball. Two are dying and the other one can’t find the door.
I like a nice colorful argument, which includes occasionally going below the belt. Here’s the problem, this whole article is below the belt. Let’s review. Athletes take dumber classes. Check. Friends take courses together. Check. Young black men take AFAM. Check. Universities give courses where little face to face is required (ask an art student.) Check. Old ladies accosted on their porch by endangered species that need a bump in sales (reporter from print medium) tell them to screw. Check. So does her best friend. Check. For some cosmic reason, the longer Roy is at UNC, the better our kids’ course selection gets? Wow. Dirty. Check. Leave out the fact that we won a championship in 09 WITHOUT any so called help from the AFAM dept. Check. (I love how the bubble he puts up would cover up said Championship.) Leave out any mention of the actual majors other than AFAM any of our kids chose. Check. Leave out any mention of Tyler Zeller. Damn close to a 4.0 while winning a lot. A lot. Check. This guy, whoever wrote this pea brained article has the audacity to compare basketball players’ admin to the football team and its shining, brilliant intellectual light (the football team’s.) Bull. I call bull. There is no smoke. There is no fire. Just ire. and I can tell the author what to do with that f. He can go fuck himself.
Further, the lack of brainpower displayed in writing unfounded and unproven (goes to civility and integrity, balls) filth like this proves what kind of crossroads we’re at in terms of the printed word. A guy at the Times left last week for making shit up. This is more stupid. It’s not made up as much as imagined. Once again, just because there’s a professional baseball field standing in the middle of town doesn’t mean Jimmy Hoffa is buried beneath it. Just because some kids took easy classes at the university doesn’t mean there’s a conspiracy to ram these guys’ degrees through and get them to game day. We all love our schools’ teams. We all probably would go the extra mile to get that win, but idiot that wrote this article has it backwards. The kids playing ball at UNC are getting smarter, and that’s why they are taking Marketing or Comm or Bschool classes instead of some boring, easy AFAM bullshit. It’s getting harder to get paid for the printed page, but the price of words goes down much quicker when the insight isn’t worth the page.
August 1st, 2012 at 4:43 PM
BTW RNR. You’re right. He’s gold. Can’t wait for the 3rd team on the black to be 2nd or 1st for a while. We’re always better when state is just as good, and nothing makes me happier than watching Mike K scream at the ref while State is winning. REally. I mean it. I think it’s even better than watching him approach heart attack when we play him. There’s just something about those state uniforms that makes K like a bull, a bull with a bad heart and a crappy back. And less losses because of it. I will go so far as to say, Gottfried looks like a class act through and through, and he’s got the look of someone who knows what he’s doing.
I also really liked Herb. He had some killer teams man. He had some teams that just activated. They would often have a hard time with easy games and then come out one night and anhilate another Tob Road team. A good triangle team.
This guy is writing a story like it’s just ready to blow up becuase if something did catch, he’d be THE ONE WHO BROKE IT. Echo echo echo. But he has no proof and the proof he thinks he has makes no sense. If the players were steadily stacking up the AFAM headed TOWARDS two championships, then maybe there’s something weird going on, but who in their right mind writes about how somehow the conspirators saw the football investigation coming and managed to go back in time to several years before Davis got here and slowly pulled back on the AFAM reigns. JESUS it makes me crazy someone signed off on this article.
Now I’D like to let something out of the bag. A reporter for the “Newb and Iheardthattoo,” a Raleigh based manufacturer of doggy toilet training supplies, or almostnewspaper, has heard that several people that Jason McIntyre once touched now have a strange and horrible disease. Reportedly, they see spaceships where there are only stars and occasionally become incontinent from the brain, and the the mouth. Logorea.