Grading Mel Kiper’s NFL Draft Grades From 2007 to 2009
Mel Kiper is The Man when it comes to the NFL Draft, so everyone anxiously awaits his draft grades, then points out that it’s way too early to grade. Well, I’m going to grade the grader today, by looking back at the 2007 to 2009 drafts. We have now completed years 3 to 5 in those draft classes and can make a decent assessment of them.
So how has Mel Kiper done? Is it just throwing darts at a dartboard, or have his good grades tended to go to the best students, and his bad ones to those that failed the test?
He’s done pretty well, if I may say so vaguely before getting into more details. Now, there are several ways to evaluate a draft class in retrospect. Sometimes, the draft grades reflect things like trades and working the drafting room for value, or avoiding making a perceived reach pick. I’m just going to assess those 2007 to 2009 classes on value added, in terms of starting seasons, pro bowls, etc. I am not focusing on specific players or picks, but the whole grade. If Kiper liked a class and said Player A would be good and instead Player B was better, I’m not drilling down to that fine of detail.
I used the “approximate value” numbers from the draft pages at pro-football-reference.com, and made some adjustments off those. For example, I didn’t want a class that had a bunch of borderline starters on bad teams showing up better than they should by compiling number of starts. So, I set a couple of baselines, for minimum starter value, and elite player value, so that I could measure two things–decent contributors produced, and elite talent produced. I combined those into one draft score.
Then I went and found all of Kiper’s grades for the 2007 to 2009 drafts that were released the week after.
The correlation coefficient between Kiper’s grades and draft scores for the teams was positive each year, meaning their was a relationship between getting a good grade from Kiper and finishing higher in draft value. For 2007, it was +0.54, for 2008 it was +0.23 and for 2009 it was +0.35. The average across this period was a correlation of +0.37. To put that in some perspective, that correlation is similar to a team’s winning percentage last season, and the next season, in the NFL. Some relationship, some surprises, but overall not random.
Where Kiper has been better is at the extremes, in both identifying good draft classes (B+ or better) and the very bad ones (C- or worse).
Kiper only gave out three grades of A- or higher during this span: Kansas City in 2008 and Green Bay and the Jets in 2009. As we will see, two of those three are among the best draft classes from that period. In contrast, he gave only two D’s, to Oakland and Dallas in 2009, and those classes have produced virtually nothing in the NFL. Among the eight C- grades, only the Giants in 2007 produced better than the average team graded by Kiper in the C+/B- range.
Here were the top ten draft classes from 2007 to 2009 so far, based on my “approximate value” draft score.
- Atlanta, 2008: QB Matt Ryan, MLB Curtis Lofton, S Thomas DeCoud, OT Sam Baker, DE Kroy Biermann, WR Harry Douglas (B)
- Kansas City, 2008: RB Jamaal Charles, CB Brandon Flowers, CB Brandon Carr, OT Branden Albert, DT Glenn Dorsey, OT Barry Richardson (A)
- San Francisco, 2007: ILB Patrick Willis, S Dashon Goldson, OT Joe Staley, DT/DE Ray McDonald (B+)
- New York Jets, 2007: CB Darrelle Revis, MLB David Harris, WR Chansi Stuckey (B)
- Green Bay, 2009: OLB Clay Matthews, DT B.J. Raji, G/T T.J. Lang (A)
- Philadelphia, 2009: RB LeSean McCoy, WR Jeremy Maclin, LB Moise Fokou, WR Brandon Gibson (B-)
- New Orleans, 2008: OG Carl Nicks, DT Sedrick Ellis, CB Tracy Porter (C+)
- Detroit, 2009: QB Matthew Stafford, TE Brandon Pettigrew, LB DeAndre Levy, S Louis Delmas (B-)
- Carolina, 2007: MLB Jon Beason, C Ryan Kalil, DE Charles Johnson, TE Dante Rosario (B)
- Minnesota, 2009: WR Percy Harvin, OT Phil Loadholt, CB Asher Allen, S Jamarca Sanford (C+)
Some of Kiper’s grades can be tied to volume and raw draft value. For example, the Green Bay and Kansas City grades were tied to both of those teams having multiple first round picks in addition to making what Kiper thought were good selections.
However, I’ll give him credit for not simply going by pick volume and value. While the Kansas City 2008 class had a lot of picks with value (thanks to trading Jared Allen), Denver in 2009 had just as much value, yet Kiper gave them a C. That low grade despite the volume of picks proved correct. Similarly, he gave Oakland that D in the Heyward-Bey draft despite having a decent amount of picks.
So, who should be happy or concerned? All of his selections are behind the Insider wall, but you can find picks and grades at various team sites. He graded Philadelphia and Tampa Bay as an A, and gave Cincinnati and Indianapolis an A-.
The Raiders, on the other hand, had no picks in the first two rounds, and garnered a C- from Mel. Similarly, the Saints got a C- after being hamstrung by the loss of the second rounder and the trade of the first rounder last year for Mark Ingram.
We can debate individual teams, and in my opinion the value is more in identifying draft reaches and whether teams went for appropriate value at the right time, but Mel Kiper’s grades are way better than giving everyone the same grade and acting like we don’t know anything.
[photo via US Presswire]

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May 1st, 2012 at 3:36 PM
Helluva draft save for taking Sam Baker. It’s never good when your LT tries to get his QB killed each week out.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:40 PM
What’s your grade on Kiper grading “Gronk” a “reach” in the “4th round”?
May 1st, 2012 at 3:42 PM
System guy.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:43 PM
Z-
May 1st, 2012 at 3:45 PM
Hernia…did you go to Notre Dame? I just assumed you were a fan. If so, when did you graduate?
May 1st, 2012 at 3:47 PM
I’m going to grade the grader today
But who, pray tell, grades the grade grader?
May 1st, 2012 at 3:47 PM
I know Hernia is a ND fan. Not sure where he went but I know he majored in Motorboating.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:47 PM
Enjoyed this.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:49 PM
It wasn’t Gronkowski he called a reach (he was a 2nd round pick BTW), it was Gostkowski, the kicker.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:50 PM
really enjoyed this post.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:50 PM
These guys are not good at football.
That’s the joke.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:51 PM
God…Andrew Perloff is stealing money at this point.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:51 PM
I like this post. Takes away some of my general bitching towards Lacquer-Head, though.
Not sure where he went but I know he majored in Motorboating.
/eavesdropping, then spit-take
May 1st, 2012 at 3:51 PM
It seems you missed the twitter fun people had with TBL, before he deleted his tweet.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:52 PM
As awesome as he is, Harvin alone does not warrant this as top 10. The latter three are freaking terrible, especially Asher Allen.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:52 PM
What’s your grade on Kiper grading “Gronk” a “reach” in the “4th round”?
Does it say why he gave the grade? Gronk had some back concerns. Historically, back concerns prove true. Kiper had no way of knowing that Gronk’s Zubaz would have magical healing powers like those magnetic bracelets.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:55 PM
i don’t understand this…
people picked luck the fuck apart…they just couldn’t find any holes. dude’s a fucking architect from stanford, multiyear starter, ultra productive in a complex offense that’s what he’ll run in the pros with prototypical size and has a few clips of him laying the lumber…that’s seriously the most perfect prospect you could imagine.
the only thing i can think of that i didn’t like was that he threw a decent bit of underneath stuff to wide open outlets to get first downs. no holes at all based off his time at stanford.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:57 PM
I wear a Razorback onesie to bed and I don’t see Wilson being the #1 overall pick. I think he will end up being the 1st or 2nd QB taken, but #1 overall? wow.
although it would be quite funny to see Jacksonville use a top 10 pick on a QB 2 out of 3 years.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:58 PM
He’s so bad. I seriously don’t get what he does for them that you or I or anyone else couldn’t do. He’s terrible. He once said Amukamara caused GMs concern when he gave up in the second half after Blackmon beat him deep for an 80 yard TD. Well, Blackmon had 150ish yards that game and 7ish catches. I think he had like 2 catches and 20ish yards in the second half.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:58 PM
Wow, that PFT “all teams get an incomplete” article is pretty stupid. I personally don’t get too excited or bummed out by my teams draft every year because I don’t have the access or the experience to say confidently if someone is a reach or not, but I don’t think it’s ridiculous for guys who have been doing this for decades (Kiper) or guys who actually have access to and know how to evaluate game tape (Mayock, Cosell, McShay) to hand out grades for teams before these guys play a down in the league.
That being said I thought Denver’s draft was pretty ‘meh’
May 1st, 2012 at 3:59 PM
In fact I think based on Peterson and Robison, and based on what they got out of Sidney Rice while he was there, the Vikings 2007 draft class was better. That’s even considering that the five other picks contributed nothing to the team.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:59 PM
no idea…and there’s the third mock draft i saw that had hankins on it and no john simon. i just cannot fathom how anyone, scout or otherwise, would think that for a cocaine heartbeat.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:00 PM
I don’t see the Redskins 2012 in that top 10 list of great drafts. Where are the RGIII defenders now? Consensus bust
May 1st, 2012 at 4:00 PM
mcshay does not belong mentioned with those three. he epitomizes hack.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:01 PM
Great post Lisk, these are way better to read than the typical draft grades for guys who haven’t suited up yet.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:01 PM
if this is all it takes to be number 4 on this list, i think the main thing we can divine from this analysis is that most teams can’t draft for shit.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:03 PM
Getting the best defensive player* in the league earns you pretty big points, though.
*or one of the best 5
May 1st, 2012 at 4:05 PM
they got an overrated LB that’s worthless outside of stopping the run and the only other guy on the list is chansi fucking stuckey…NUMBER FOUR EVERYBODY!!!
May 1st, 2012 at 4:07 PM
This actually lends more credence to my thought that trading a lot of picks for one star is kind of worth it. The hit-or-miss factor is so even that it seems that half of the players you select suck anyway.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:07 PM
id agree with this…but still wouldn’t agree that RGIII was worth that kind of haul.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:09 PM
No Cincy from last year?
May 1st, 2012 at 4:09 PM
Spence, this only a list of drafts from 2007-2009. Top 4 of 96…
I am surprised steelers 2007 draft didn’t rank higher. Woolley, Timmons and W. Gay were starters on leagues top defense.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:09 PM
I was more thinking of Julio…but that was just to ease my pain when I get set to watch him drop 4 more balls a game.
/thinks of what AJ would look like in a Falcons jersey
//thinks about Matt Ryan not being able to get him the ball down field
///sighs
May 1st, 2012 at 4:10 PM
wow…i guess im completely wrong on john simon being a good football player. seems draft experts peg him as a sixth round prospect…not sure if they’re watching the right player, to be honest.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:10 PM
8. Matt Barkley to Seattle – “Trojans QBs have not done well in the NFL lately, but if anyone can overlook that it’s Pete Carroll.”
Talk about a gross simplification. Palmer did well before injuries, Cassell was never supposed to do anything and has been serviceable. Leinart has sucked, certainly.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:12 PM
that trade kinda made sense in the fact that it’ll def help atlanta’s offense in the future…but the defense had a ton of holes as well. yall actually had a team around to supplement.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:12 PM
The season will play out and we’ll look back at these mocks and laugh. It’s how it always works, yet I still love them.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:13 PM
totally…i love the draft more than certain aunts and uncles.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:15 PM
I’m afraid their defense is going to SUCK this year. I just hope Mike Nolan can do something with them. My hope is the DE out of Troy can rush the passer now that the secondary shouldn’t be terrible with Asante there. It doesn’t matter if no one can get the QB, though. I also want ATL to use Jacquizz more in the running and screen game. Turner doesn’t need 25 carries a game at this stage of his career.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:15 PM
…not sure what that has to do with anything tho.
/wants to get HIIIIIIIIIGHHHHHHH
May 1st, 2012 at 4:16 PM
isn’t Simon kind of a tweener (6’2 260 at DT is small)? I know he’s a workout warrior type of guy but I’d guess the concerns are that he wouldn’t be a great edge rusher and is too small to play inside, while Hankins who is much less productive in college at least has the prototypical size.
By the way, this all sounds like the kind of thing people are talking about in 4 years when Simon is tearing it up as a 3-4 DE and Hankins is 400 + pounds and out of the league.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:16 PM
asante would’ve responded, but he jumped your sentence after “out of troy can rush the passer” and missed the rest.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:17 PM
“He’s revealed himself around here for many years,”
That sounds like a viable character concern to me. He’d better get that shit under control before he hits the draft circuit
May 1st, 2012 at 4:17 PM
Though as a Falcons fan I’m just resigned to the fact that Julio and Roddy will beat their man, be 2 yards past the safety and Ryan will overthrow them (happens a lot, actually) or he’ll put too much air under it and they will get run down by the DB (happens often, though not as much).
/shit
May 1st, 2012 at 4:19 PM
he’s not as huge as most DT’s, and is def the more penetrating type, but his workouts are semi-legendary. and he’s a very lean 270 with not much fat and incredibly strong.
and you nailed it…simon’s the perfect 3-4 DE and doesn’t need to come off the field during passing downs because of how quick he is in the middle of the line.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:19 PM
wow…that’s a lot of matty ice criticism.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:20 PM
This is a particular hobgoblin for me: seeing as basically every team ranks players differently (if even ever so slightly) based on scheme fit, personnel, coaching preferences, etc., how is identifying “value at the right time” on a league-wide basis even possible?
To use a hamfisted example: Nnamdi Asomugha was widely panned as a terrible reach in the bottom of the first. I can’t stand the Raiders but they clearly saw him as a great fit for their (ridiculous, outdated) coverage schemes, and were right. But any instant analysis would have said, terrible reach. No value.*
*If somehow you slipped in an explanation and I missed it, apologies.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:20 PM
It’s gotta be depressing times to be a Falcons fan. They’ve gone all-in… and THAT’S the best team they can conjure up. They still can’t sniff the Packers, Steelers, Giants, Ravens, etc
May 1st, 2012 at 4:20 PM
I laughed.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:20 PM
i wish my fist were made of ham…
May 1st, 2012 at 4:21 PM
Dude seems like the nicest guy in the world. He works hard and studies like crazy, but he can’t throw the deep ball to save his life. His accuracy on the deep ball makes me cringe. It’s not so much an arm strength issue, either. He gets the ball there, but he generally overthrows the receiver.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:23 PM
you almost figure long throws would be easier to be accurate on than short throws since you don’t have to worry about taking anything off it.
/golf logic’d
May 1st, 2012 at 4:23 PM
Not at all, actually. The Falcons has never had any level of success…ever. The fact that fans are upset with making the playoffs and winning 10 games is amazing, actually. I love the owner, the coach and the GM (though his rep is better than it should be).
May 1st, 2012 at 4:25 PM
i remember when the browns went all-in after derek anderson’s one good stretch of eight games. and now im depressed. thanks, s1rweeze.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:26 PM
Ryan is a top-8-12 QB in the NFL. They can win with him if he gets just a smidge better at one or two things and they put a good team around him. He won’t carry crap to the playoffs like Peyton or other great QBs could, but he can win here.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:29 PM
It’s almost like some of these guys don’t know college football as well as they should and just copy the other kids homework. It’d be great if one draft blogger just made up a name and scouting report and plugged him in as a 27th pick overall and watch the hilarity ensue. Would be fun to debate at Blogs with Balls.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:30 PM
i feel like roddy and julio are kind of redundant players. ryan would be better off having a more spread out field than letting the defense keep a lid on…you get a burner or a freaky TE and a RB that’s not michael turner in terms of catching out of the backfield and you could have some serious shit.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:30 PM
I see your side of it. As a Vikings fan I’m SB-or-bust, none of this “We’re over .500!” and “We made the playoffs!” bullshit. We’ve paid our dues with that crap.
I’m just not seeing it with Matt Ryan.
Anytime!
May 1st, 2012 at 4:33 PM
Julio is a freak. He’s Calvin Light in terms of athleticism. He can be a deep threat or an over the middle, turn a slant into 80 guy. Roddy is straight up possession at this point. He’s a very good one, but that’s what he is. I would have loved seeing Atlanta get Fleener or Dwayne Allen, but they had to go OL with their first pick, which sucks.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:33 PM
one draft blogger just made up a name and scouting report and plugged him in as a 27th pick overall and watch the hilarity ensue.
This needs to happen
May 1st, 2012 at 4:33 PM
wish i had dues to pay with that crap.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:36 PM
you know, ive seen all his combine numbers and the pics of him seemingly 4 feet in the air, but whenever i watched him, i never got the sense that he was the most athletic guy out there by miles. you see it with guys like lebron and verlander and moss in their respective sports, but julio doesn’t leap off the screen like i expect based on his freakiness.
fwiw, same thing with richardson and dareus. i think the alabama unis make the players look slower on film.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:37 PM
Sidd Finch, Jr. DE, Arkansas State
6’6″ 275lb with a 122″ wingspan, 4.45 in the 40, and a 46″ vertical makes this guy a steal by the Giants with the 27th pick overall.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:37 PM
That’s funny, but watch his highlights from his rookie year and you’ll se an insane level of athleticism. The catch he made against IND was insane.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:38 PM
Change the school to Wassamatta U and you got it.
/that might be too obvious
May 1st, 2012 at 4:39 PM
he made one catch at alabama (can’t remember who it was against) that literally made me get up out of my seat i was so excited. im telling you man, my eyes probably just don’t absorb reflected maroons as clearly as other colors.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:39 PM
As a Bronco’s fan I was just as happy to see Tebow leave as I was to see Manning arrive. That being said, last year was one of the top 3 most fun Bronco’s seasons since ’98. When you’ve been down for a while, a home playoff game, and a playoff win feels pretty fucking great.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:41 PM
God damn…watching Julio against IND reminded me of how good he can be. I seriously forgot because the lasting imagine of ATL was NYG butt fucking their OL every snap.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:44 PM
I so love this photo.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:52 PM
Skrillex.
May 1st, 2012 at 5:06 PM
lol.
May 4th, 2012 at 12:29 AM
You’re forgetting about Mark Sanchez, who stinks. USC QBs have not done well in the NFL lately. That’s a fact. Cassell is arguably the most secure starter of the batch. It doesn’t mean that Barkley can’t do well, though.