With Tim Tebow, The New York Jets Should Never Kick an Extra Point Before the Fourth Quarter
If the New York Jets are doing it right, Nick Folk should be dead last in extra points made next season. By right, I don’t mean impersonating the 1976 Buccaneers and rarely scoring, either. I’m talking about using Tim Tebow on two-point conversion attempts after every touchdown, until late game strategy dictates otherwise.
Teams go for the extra point instead of going for two, until mandated by late game situations, for a couple of reasons. The first, tradition and safety, is why coaches make a lot of decisions. Extra points have been around forever; the two-point conversion attempt was not adopted by the NFL until 1994 (the AFL used it until the merger). Thus, the norm is the extra point. It’s also the lower risk strategy, as the point is almost assured. Coaches tend to think about the negative and the potential loss of a point far more than the positive potential gain.
The other reason is that typically, the extra point has the slightly higher value. Last year, kickers made 99.4% of extra points attempted. The two point conversion rate typically hovers around 45%. Of course, that overstates the difference, because a percentage of “two point attempts” are really failed extra points, where the holder tries to run or pass after bobbling the snap. The true rates are closer, but if an average team employed a strategy of going for two instead of kicking the extra point, they would lose about 1 to 2 points over the course of an entire season.
The Jets, though, should press their advantage and disregard tradition when it comes to extra points. They should line up for two point conversions with Tim Tebow at QB after every score, until late game strategy dictated otherwise.
The Jets will surely use Tim Tebow in two point packages when they do attempt them. I’m just taking it a step further. Always use him, because it is a positive advantage for producing points. I would wager you that if the Jets used Tim Tebow on two-point plays, he would convert more than 50%.
Last year, the Denver Broncos were officially 3 for 5 on two-point attempts in games where Tim Tebow started. One of those involved the holder trying to run after a botched snap. In the other four, Denver went 3 for 3 on runs, and 0 for 1 on passes. Current Jets offensive coordinator Tony Sparano witnessed the first of those, when Denver completed a comeback against his Dolphins, after a Tebow run to send the game to overtime. Chris Brown of Smart Football, writing for Grantland, had a breakdown of that play design.
QB Draws, Power O like the play above with Tebow acting as the back, inside draws to the running back, zone reads, sprint outs where Tebow has a run pass option to a fullback or H-back – the Jets should be adding all these plays. Then, they should run them every opportunity near the goal line they get, including two pointers.
In addition to those two point conversions, Tim Tebow’s teams are 4 for 5 in scoring touchdowns on running plays at the 3 yard line or closer. That miss, though, came at the end of the Minnesota game when Denver had no incentive to score, and Tebow centered the ball. When he is actually trying to score from the 3 yard line or closer, Tim Tebow is 7 for 7 on scoring touchdowns on running plays in the NFL. That’s a small sample size, but he was also a very good goal line player in college–almost unstoppable at the stripe.
When he passes, though, different story. Tim Tebow was only 2 of 8 on passes inside the 3. Four of those came on four consecutive plays in the fourth quarter of the playoff game against New England from the 3 yard line. I’m not sure what’s more ridiculous. That Tebow has thrown more passes than runs inside the three, or that in over a full season of action, Denver has only run 13 plays from inside the 3 on offense. Most of Denver’s touchdowns with Tebow have come from further out, but that shows how poorly they have moved the ball. When he gets near the end zone, though, he has been to this point underutilized.
The Jets were at the wrong end of a Tebow rally last year, and also saw him score on a 5 yard run in his rookie year in a goal line package. Sparano witnessed first hand what he could do in the two point conversion last year. If the Jets are smart, they not only adopt it, but go full out Tebow Time after every touchdown.
How much could it matter? Last year, New York scored 30 touchdowns in the first three quarters of games.
Well, if Tebow only converts at the same rate from the 3 yard line or in as he has for his career (9 for 16), then it’s almost 4 points over a season. Coaches obsess over little things, so a strategy that could result in four more points is not inconsequential. It’s not going to win a Super Bowl alone, but it optimizes points.
That percentage, though assumes the same rate, which involved a sub-optimal run/pass ratio. The real Tebow ratio should be more like 80/20, not 45/55. If Tebow can convert two pointers at a 60% clip, that is an extra touchdown over the course of a year. 64% is almost extra 10 points.
I don’t know what Tebow would average, but my guess is that while he wouldn’t be perfect as teams adapted, the chances of him exceeding 60% are better than being significantly below 50% and making the strategy sub-optimal. To this point, he has not been utilized all out. Fox got praised a fair amount last year, but was honestly very conservative in using Tebow in the one area his skills dictated it, short yardage. Denver was a punting machine on 4th and 1 or 2. They only went for two points when they absolutely had to.
The Jets just spent a fair amount on Tebow. They should go all out with him, and commit to going for two after touchdowns. If you are going to get the circus, might as well put on a show.
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March 28th, 2012 at 2:33 PM
Marvelous. Can’t wait.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:35 PM
Jump Pass…
This isn’t the SEC or AFC West. Jesus Christ.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:36 PM
I’m honestly surprised this is a Lisk post
March 28th, 2012 at 2:36 PM
So, in short, treat Tebow like a fullback that can kinda pass. Or, as it was known before, “his QB career at Florida.”
March 28th, 2012 at 2:36 PM
I fucking love it.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:36 PM
With that offense they really only have maybe 1 extra point opportunity per game, so does it really matter?
March 28th, 2012 at 2:36 PM
OT
Bears and Forte agree to 7/120…
/ot
LOL @ the Bears signing a RB for that kind of money
March 28th, 2012 at 2:38 PM
This was a really good post.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:38 PM
I guess his tantrum worked
March 28th, 2012 at 2:38 PM
PhillyM
Is Asante Samuel still a legit CB? The Lions are reportedly interested in him if he restructures.
How much of that Forte money is guaranteed?
March 28th, 2012 at 2:39 PM
Son of a fucking bitch. He’ll have outlived his usefulness by year 4 of that contract. God fucking dammit.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:39 PM
Matis, wrong Schefter. Thats a fake account you retweeted.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:40 PM
Les Miles reads this and creams his jeans.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:40 PM
He has his uses. He’s good on the right side and is definitely a ballhawk. But he’s been getting dinged up and don’t expect him to tackle anybody.
Awaiting further Schefty tweets
March 28th, 2012 at 2:41 PM
That was a fake Schefter feed? I didn’t retweet that, but that’s even better.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:41 PM
Hahaha, why is everyone following Adarn Schefter?
March 28th, 2012 at 2:42 PM
Kinda hard to go for two when the offense doesn’t score TD’s.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:42 PM
Rod Gilmore’d
March 28th, 2012 at 2:42 PM
You know what was the worst? When you played Madden and your jerk buddy would always go for 2. What a jerkface.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:42 PM
Haha, looks like the other Mantis re-tweeted it. My bad, I get you two confused.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:43 PM
Never punt!
March 28th, 2012 at 2:43 PM
ummmm… shouldn’t this apply to every team with a good short yardage back unless the wisdom here is that Tebow is by far the best short yardage back in the NFL?
Also the sample sizes involved here are so small that it makes this entire post quite useless.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:44 PM
Son of a fucking bitch. He’ll have outlived his usefulness by year 4 of that contract. God fucking dammit.
that depends on the amount of guarantees though. it might be easy to cut him after 4 or 5 years.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:44 PM
When you played Madden and your jerk buddy would always go for 2. What a jerkface.
Cool…you hang out with Lane Kiffin.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:45 PM
Replace Tim Tebow with Cam Newton and it still works. Except he is a threat to pass as well.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:45 PM
Bears and Forte agree to 7/120…
Ok, everyone. Let me hear ya.
“Teacher, how much is guaranteed?”
All that for a back, when you still need 8-10 good, healthy offensive linemen to open holes for said back.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:45 PM
Or just select the Falcons and run wild with Vick.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:46 PM
Great article Lisk. I think you forgot to discuss what Tebow does after Sanchez throws his patented pick 6.
/I thought he was in man coverage
March 28th, 2012 at 2:46 PM
Yeah, but do you really want your #1 QB getting murdered at the goal line after every TD? Seems risky.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:46 PM
I think it would only apply if the its a QB, since the threat of the pass opens things up. Also, it allows for an extra blocker.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:46 PM
Lose one game whe Fg could have won it and their goes your experiment
March 28th, 2012 at 2:46 PM
Or just select the Falcons and run wild with Vick.
The Madden 2004 Michael Vick was so good, the Falcons were banned from my dorm floor.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:48 PM
Cam Newton is bigger and stronger than a lot of defensive players.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:48 PM
The flag football team I am on has not kicked (punt or XP) in over two years.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:48 PM
We are talking like 20 or extra plays a year. And its not like he is sneaking it every time. Newton can pass.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:48 PM
They scored the 9th most TD’s in the league last year.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:49 PM
Something seems off on this, Lisk.
Is it easier to go for two after long drives when the defense is tired? Or in the fourth quarter when they have been worn down by the game? Would you pick and choose, or hold to the rule at all costs?
Is there a mental disadvantage to answering a score with one of your own and all the sudden being down 7-6 (more so than being down 8-7 for the opponent)? To quote something from earlier, “they aren’t all robots”.
This sounds like a great Madden strategy. I’m just iffy on applying it as a general practice to a real football game. I also hate OPS though, so what do I know.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:50 PM
I wanna see the Raiders have a red zone package for Pryor this year.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:50 PM
BIG question, bros:
Do I keep Stafford or Tebow next year in fantasy football? Pass td’s are 4, Rush td’s are 6. 25 yards passing per point, 10 yards per point rushing.
THANKS.
Go Jets.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:50 PM
Could you imagine how terrible it would be if this happened…especially if it was in the first game. The media would go apeshit. Hell even if it was in game 10 and this strategy previously won 2 games, people would still lose their minds.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:51 PM
Yup, that seems to fit
March 28th, 2012 at 2:52 PM
When he passes, though, different story. Tim Tebow was only 2 of 8 on passes inside the 3. Four of those came on four consecutive plays in the fourth quarter of the playoff game against New England from the 3 yard line.
This right here was the biggest argument against using him for every XP. When teams just drop the safety into zone and have everyone lock onto Tebow, this will stop working.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:52 PM
Also… if teams had a library of plays by week 16 knowing what the Jets like to do in those situations, wouldn’t they be able to gameplan/adjust to that? I could probably convinced it’s a great strategy, but I’m still skeptical at this point, as there are just too many variables to make a coherent statistical case right now (you know, until a team tries it and either wins or loses because of it).
March 28th, 2012 at 2:52 PM
I wanna see the Raiders have a red zone package for Pryor this year.
selling programs?
March 28th, 2012 at 2:53 PM
Really? Stafford won’t throw for nearly as many TD’s or yards this year since they’ll be running a lot more. But still, really?
March 28th, 2012 at 2:53 PM
Got link on forte contract?
No talk on chicago sports radio or trib site
March 28th, 2012 at 2:53 PM
nice. just when I thought the bears were smart, they go and do this. awesome.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:54 PM
This is a great post. Stop calling Tebow a QB and call him what he is, a unique gadget piece that if used properly, with creativity, can be a real weapon.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:54 PM
I’ve always wondered why offenses are immune to getting tired.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:55 PM
Dudes! Forte didnt really sign! Fake Adam Schefter bamboozled PhillyMantis.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:56 PM
I agree with the logic. Been saying this for a while – Tebow or no Tebow.
It also puts additional pressure on your opponent once you get that 1 or two point odd advantage.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:57 PM
Especially the offensive lineman, who would seem to be the most critical part of the two-point conversion.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:57 PM
If Tebow were going to start 16 games, then you could consider him. But he probably won’t start any, so it’s Stafford and it’s not even close.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:57 PM
Really? Stafford won’t throw for nearly as many TD’s or yards this year since they’ll be running a lot more. But still, really?
March 28th, 2012 at 2:58 PM
The fuck? Man, I get that they shit all over Forte after he played good soldier and ended up getting hurt for it, but that’s ridiculous*.
*The over/under on how much of that he sees is what, 45?. And I’ll take the under. There’s just no way a team guarantees a RB more than 2/25 or maybe 3/35 if they had cap space to frontload some.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:58 PM
As a back up QB, wouldn’t he be an option to hold kicks? What are the chances that Ryan/Sparano would cook up a wildcat kick formation with more of a “hands team” line that would give Tebow some passing options. then run the special teams with a kick/run/pass option on each conversion.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:58 PM
Have you ever played football? If so, it’s pretty obvious.
March 28th, 2012 at 2:58 PM
You know what’s not fake ?
Desean Jackson 5/51
March 28th, 2012 at 2:58 PM
Yeah it definitely got both of the mantis’ . Even SC thought it was legit for a minute on twitter.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:00 PM
They take strength in the narrative.
Yeah I didnt see the start of that convo.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:00 PM
Is there any chance Tampa passes on Claiborne since Aqib Talib might go to jail? I know some mocks have Richardson there but since Talib is an idiot and also an idiot who might be suspended, any NFC South fans hear anything on this? Sounds like CLE-STL might be in for a 4-6 swap.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:01 PM
the strategy is in the risk analysis. XP’s are worth 1 point and are 99% certain to be made. the risk is 0.99*1 pt = 0.99 pts. Lisk is saying the 2-pt conversions with Tebow should be successful at a rate of 80% or so. that’s a risk of 0.80*2 pts = 1.6 pts.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:02 PM
I’d love for the Lions to try and acquire Mr. Talib!
March 28th, 2012 at 3:02 PM
They get tired, especially in the hurry up. But, they know the snap count and can conserve all their enrgy until then. D-line on the other hand, expend energy by tensing up in their stance
March 28th, 2012 at 3:03 PM
I’d take Claiborne if i was Tampa, hell even if Talib escaped the clink Ronde Barber could vaporize on first contact with those old bones.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:03 PM
Dudes! Forte didnt really sign! Fake Adam Schefter bamboozled PhillyMantis.
Bros, the chick is right! I know, I’m shocked too!
March 28th, 2012 at 3:04 PM
Offense also controls the pace where defense is reactionary, which takes a lot more energy.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:04 PM
Lisk, are you saying that Florida erred those years in not having Tebow go for 2-pts everytime then as well? I may have missed this but is your theory reliant on him being a back-up? If he is a starter, same thing?
March 28th, 2012 at 3:05 PM
Lisk is
sayingguessing without having the helpthe 2-pt conversions with Tebow should be successful at a rate of 80% or so.
Hence my concern. Might be a good idea, but I’d pick and choose optimal situations where I have increased odds, if there are such situations. And I’d be really nervous about what happens by week 16. Remember how great the Wildcat was that one game? How often is that used now?
March 28th, 2012 at 3:06 PM
well that was a fucking atrocity of a comment.
My problem isn’t with the concept, the math, or the output. It’s with the input. I hope the Jets do it, and then there will actually be data to look at and see if it is a good idea.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:07 PM
I thought the Browns were thinking of getting Claiborne? Browns fans: if the choice was Blackmon, Claiborne or Richardson, who would you want?
March 28th, 2012 at 3:08 PM
Dead hooker alert
Craig James calls leach a bully in campaign video
http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2012-articles/march/craig-james-calls-mike-leach-a-qbullyq-in-latest-campaign-video.html
March 28th, 2012 at 3:08 PM
I can’t wait for football to start, if only, to see this Jets team just implode on itself.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:09 PM
Trading the 4th overall pick to Chicago for Matt Forte.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:09 PM
this is assuming the Jets can actually score in situations that allow them to choose the more aggressive 2 pt conversion rather than guaranteed points.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:09 PM
But then Lisk adds
Not sure the passing is much of a threat if we keep rolling with small sample sizes.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:10 PM
if the choice was Blackmon, Claiborne or Richardson, who would you want?
If they swap w/ the Rams to 6 Richardson IMO.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:10 PM
Lisk never states this. I am awful with statistics and even I know he didn’t say this. It’s pretty clearly laid out in the post why this would be optimal for the Jets.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:10 PM
I never guessed It would be successful 80% of the time. I am guessing that given his past performance, 50% is easily attainable and 60% realistic. I said they should run versus pass 80/20 or so for an optimal ratio.
And WWoS, I sent you a play by play database so you could tell us that teams that miss extra points play defense the same as others. You are letting me down.
If I were going to use this strategy, I would tell my team in advance and we would be prepared for it. There would be no shock.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:10 PM
I think the point is that the J-E-T-S JETSJETSJETS have a weapon that should change those odds and risks in their favor and if they use it wisely, they could really fuck with some teams a the goal line.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:10 PM
Now you are mocking the Jets offense?
March 28th, 2012 at 3:11 PM
More opportunities for the revamped Bills d line to beat the shit out of tebow and sanchez
March 28th, 2012 at 3:11 PM
tebows on the 49ers
March 28th, 2012 at 3:11 PM
Browns fans: if the choice was Blackmon, Claiborne or Richardson, who would you want?
any really. probably Richardson, Claibore, Blackmon is my preferred order.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:12 PM
Craig James calls leach a bully in campaign video
http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2012-articles/march/craig-james-calls-mike-leach-a-qbullyq-in-latest-campaign-video.html
Takes one to know one
I never guessed It would be successful 80% of the time. I am guessing that given his past performance, 50% is easily attainable and 60% realistic. I said they should run versus pass 80/20 or so for an optimal ratio.
50% of the time it works every time!
March 28th, 2012 at 3:12 PM
Brownies taking Tannehill. Book it.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:13 PM
This is what I got out of it too.
Nice write up.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:13 PM
I read the above paragraph and inserted 80% myself. sue me. either way, I stand by my comment.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:14 PM
Didn’t read entire post but this looks TMQish.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:14 PM
Well, I guess you still get a participation ribbon.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:15 PM
Brownies taking Tannehill. Book it.
That kid has more problems than Sanchez – no thanks.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:15 PM
This guy gets it.
I’ll pay attention to comments like this when the Bills finally win half of their games.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:16 PM
This sums up the comments section perfectly.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:16 PM
plus, with Fitzpatrick at QB, the Bills Defense should be on the field a lot.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:17 PM
I thought the Browns were thinking of getting Claiborne? Browns fans: if the choice was Blackmon, Claiborne or Richardson, who would you want?
I’d say Richardson slightly over the other 2. I cant imagine Hecker going defense. I like Claiborne but can you build a top team with 2 CB like that? If they can get a 2nd from STL from moving down 2 spots, they can go RB/WR/CB/RT all in the top 40 picks.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:17 PM
With his new terrible contract? No way.
Sadly, this is probably true.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:17 PM
if the NFL acted on probabilistic expected values then no one would ever punt or kick away from say Hester. Since they are statistically sub optimal choices.
Actually most human beings don’t act based on expected values anyway… If I offered you a coin toss where you stand to lose $100 or gain $120 your expected return is positive but most wouldn’t take me up on the coin toss.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:17 PM
Woof! makes me long for the comments of Mike Quade.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:18 PM
agreed that most people are dumb.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:18 PM
Ha… turns out that writing scripts to mine data is a bitch. I’ve tried to farm some help from the stats people here but they are too busy ‘working’.
As for the mental part, I guess if you have the team buy in, that shouldn’t be a problem. I hope the team wouldn’t press being down a point.
Do you think that the rate would decrease over time? Or do you think that with scouting/adjustments, Tebow could reach a steady 60% rate that would hold true in week 15 as well as week 1 (making it a clear value play).
March 28th, 2012 at 3:20 PM
VladimirCrouton Says:
Brownies taking Tannehill. Book it.
I’ll end my sobriety if that happens with either 1st round pick. Book it. I’d be open-minded about Weedon at the top of the 3rd.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:20 PM
what i meant to say, tebow will be traded to the 49ers by week 5 and alex smith will be shipped to miami.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:20 PM
The vast majority of people are risk adverse. The pain of losing $100 is far greater than the utility of getting $120.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:21 PM
They also need to go for it on 4th and less than 4 EVERY SINGLE TIME.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:21 PM
Sometimes the risk of losing $100 outweighs the benefits of gaining $120.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:22 PM
MY COWORKER WHO SITS 10 FEET TO MY RIGHT JUST CALLED MY COWORKER ON THE PHONE WHO SITS 5 FEET IN FRONT OF ME.
/EXPLODES
March 28th, 2012 at 3:22 PM
That might be true but the relevant characteristic is loss aversion… losing $100 hurts more than losing $120. so psychologically the offer is a bad deal.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:22 PM
Am I still the only guy on board the “Tannehill will make a great pro if he’s allowed to learn for two years” team?
March 28th, 2012 at 3:22 PM
And I think my goal was to see if having a first down at the 9/10 yard line was a disadvantage vs. the 14/15 yard line. And I concluded after considerable time and effort that I’m not smart enough to figure it out. Blog post on that discovery is coming soon.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:23 PM
Oh my bad… St Bear just said that verbatum
March 28th, 2012 at 3:23 PM
More opportunities for the revamped Bills d line to beat the shit out of tebow and sanchez
I think this is a legit point if Tebow is a starter. If he’s your rarely-used #2 or wildcard player, then by all means have at it.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:23 PM
WWOS
Big game on Friday.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:24 PM
Brownies taking Tannehill. Book it.
Sadly, this is probably true.
I don’t think so, I really don’t. I think they’ll make the smart move and deal with Miami to drop to 8, or take the RB, even that high.
But Miami is definitely taking Tannehill, if they get the chance.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:25 PM
Eh, without knowing your office, I’d say it’s not a big deal. You can carry on a conversation without bothering people nearby.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:25 PM
I just saw the bit on Alicia Silverstone chewing her 1-year old’s food like a mama bird. Oh my.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:25 PM
The “before the fourth quarter” part takes care of a lot of that. And if you are down 7 late the in third, go ahead and extend it to that instance too. Like I said, I like the theory, and I’m 90% sure that if the Pats got Tebow, it would be specifically for that purpose (and going for it on every 4th and 3 or less). I’d just pick and choose spots a little bit.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:26 PM
p.s. I like this post, because we were just talking about this (amongst ourselves) and Jason Lisk did some industrious work on it.
Law and Order: Today’s Headlines:: Jason Lisk: this crappy comment section
March 28th, 2012 at 3:26 PM
Im not bothered by conversation, It’s the utter laziness of it that drives me crazy
March 28th, 2012 at 3:27 PM
Brownies taking Tannehill. Book it.
if this happens, i’ll blow a mule.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:27 PM
Am I still the only guy on board the “Tannehill will make a great pro if he’s allowed to learn for two years” team?
probably.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:27 PM
I was going to make a joke about deserving a hat tip for having started that conversation, but I fell asleep while trying to think of one.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:28 PM
I worked in a cube farm for a few years, and I hated the people who talked over the cubes. Just call them up, ask your question, and don’t bother me.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:28 PM
see? the game is rigged. you either lose $100 or you lose $120. the moral of the story is never gamble with a cheater like got_em_looking.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:28 PM
I just saw the bit on Alicia Silverstone chewing her 1-year old’s food like a mama bird. Oh my.
that’s a no no. If you ask, a pediatrician will tell you not to kiss your kid on the mouth, either, since you can pass dental diseases that way, too.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:29 PM
Not as big as if the Preds had won last night against the Blues. If Wings can beat the Jackets tonight, they’ll be up 3 points after even # of games. At this point I think Preds are almost locked into the 5, even being only a point back.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:29 PM
The House always wins.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:29 PM
Talk to me after you lose a game by 1 point after a failed two-pt conversion in the 3rd quarter and the results-based analysis, second-guessing media begins to speculate on Bill Cowher’s level of interest in your job.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:29 PM
My favorite are the people at the gym parking their cars, and waiting witht their blinker on for several minutes for the spot close to the entrance, when they could just park 50 feet further down.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:30 PM
I missed the initial conversation, but it’s at least an important question to ask.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:30 PM
MY COWORKER WHO SITS 10 FEET TO MY RIGHT JUST CALLED MY COWORKER ON THE PHONE WHO SITS 5 FEET IN FRONT OF ME.
had to be overweight women.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:31 PM
I wanted to see how many people would get fooled by Adarn Shefter. He is going to be a hit.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:31 PM
Good coaches don’t give a shit about the media.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:31 PM
Am I still the only guy on board the “Tannehill will make a great pro if he’s allowed to learn for two years” team?
You’re definitely not alone. I don’t really have much of an opinion on the kid one way or another but I’ve read some stuff on him (NFP I think?) that made it sound like he’s a legit top 5 pick
March 28th, 2012 at 3:32 PM
I’m pulling for the Wings running the table and St. Louis only winning 1 more game to take back 1st. Won’t happen but hope is still alive. The Bluejackets are starting some ECHL goalie tonight and just signed Hunwick to a ATO out of Michigan to back him up.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:32 PM
i love seeing comments from teams that haven’t won anything in 40+ years to teams that haven’t won anything at all.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:32 PM
ding ding ding
I guess that works if you dont work right next to the person. I was going to hear both sides of their conversation either way.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:32 PM
I’m a loser
March 28th, 2012 at 3:32 PM
Good coaches don’t give a shit about the media.
/shots fired at Rex
March 28th, 2012 at 3:32 PM
In the land of the blind, the 1-eyed man is king.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:33 PM
works both ways, meng.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:34 PM
i want to know what goes through a person’s head when they think feeding their child like a fucking bird is normal. i mean, jesus, that kid is going to be all sorts of fucked up b/c i doubt this is the least crazy thing that will be done to that child.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:34 PM
dick joke(!)?
March 28th, 2012 at 3:35 PM
Unfortunately most owners do and they decide when to stop signing your checks.
Ask Wade Philips and many others… he was essentially fired by ESPN.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:36 PM
Mind your own fucking business.
/weeps
March 28th, 2012 at 3:36 PM
The placenta eating has to end before this practice.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:37 PM
The kid’s name is Bear Blu…so, yeah.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:37 PM
This is not true. Most owners are not reactionary like that. It just fits your narrative.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:37 PM
Umm… no one’s ever been criticized for not going for 2 in the 3rd. Sins of commission are punished more severely than sins of omission.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:39 PM
Seriously… it’s not even your own tissue. It’s mostly fetus. You’re basically eating a piece of your kid.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:41 PM
I certainly don’t believe anyone gets fired after a one point loss due to media pressure however the idiotic media has a significant effect on general perception of coaching ability… Lets be honest none of us know who is actually a good coach and who isn’t.
We only have access to results which is less than perfect way of judging coaching ability since there are dozens of other factors outside the coach’s control that could derail the result of a good decision
March 28th, 2012 at 3:42 PM
dammit. quote fail.
I’m willing to make a bet that there is no way in hell the Brownies take Tannehill in the first, if anyone is interested.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:42 PM
My favorite bit of internet condescension, sure a disagreement could be typed without it but then the reader wouldn’t get that sarcastic air of superiority to let them know the score before the point is made
March 28th, 2012 at 3:45 PM
I agree that there is more to being a good/bad coach that meets the public eye (even media members)…but there is still a lot of evidence to be able to draw a conclusion.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:45 PM
yeah, they do that in countries and cultures where science and medicine is eons behind a developed country. again, i just want to know the thoughts that drive people to make these fucking decisions.
are they just sitting there, reading consumer reports and decide, hey, i’ll eat my child’s placenta… or hm, i wonder if i prechew my food, will my child eat it?
and then to hear the child licks her face like a god damn grey wolf pup liking it’s mother after the hunt is mindboggling.
not fit to be a parent.
March 28th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
I was gonna say, “Et tu, Lisk?” Then I remembered it’s TBL: All Jets, All Tebow, All the Time.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
The problem is, if you’re a first-round pick, a learning curve is no longer allowed. In today’s climate, it’s “produce now.” Ponder and Locker are the only exceptions I can think of.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:03 PM
no…if tannehill is also a 3rd-5th rounder. but in the first? no time to learn.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:06 PM
no…if tannehill is also a 3rd-5th rounder. but in the first? no time to learn.
with the current wage scale, sure. Especially if he ends up on Miami. They can use Garrard and Moore all year. He can at least have a year to go to meetings. It’s not like Miami’s got any big plans to make a playoff push.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:09 PM
fair enough…tho does he get another period on top of that learning period to ease into actually playing? or does he have to win right away if he wants to avoid the fans turning on him?
i mean, shit, colt mccoy already “sucks” and “is a career backup” even tho he’s had absolute shit around him and was a 3rd rounder with no expectations. a first rounder comes with more hype just by being a first rounder.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:11 PM
They’ve got the 2nd best QB in the division…they have a chance.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:12 PM
Both are disgusting and have absolutely NO EFFECT on your health or the health of your child. Human beings are not birds and we should not be fed like birds. If you think about it, eating a placenta is a form of cannibalism. Maybe January Jones should eat her appendix. Fucking disgusting, vile human being.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:12 PM
i just want to know the thoughts that drive people to make these fucking decisions.
Have you never fed your kid like a baby bird? I’m not saying pre-chewed food, but have you never held grapes in your mouth and made you kid get it by kissing you? It’s fun.
And you haven’t live till you’ve licked baby food off of a baby’s face. They have no idea what’s happening.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:17 PM
I have a dog for that.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:27 PM
I’m not going to violently disagree but I have hunch there isn’t enough evidence for us or the media to decide. The coaches lucky enough to have good players and luck on their side eventually become great coaches. I say this because far too often coaches make the round trip from genius to moron sometimes inside of one season.
How many times a season you change your opinion on the QBing ability of Tom Brady? or the receiving ability of Larry Fitzgerald. That suggests to me we have a better grip on who the good players are when given a large enough data sample.
March 30th, 2012 at 2:28 AM
Outside of Atlanta and New England, NFL coaches are about as conservative a group of people as you’re going to find in coaching. There’s no chance that Ryan has the balls to be able to adopt the 2-point try as a policy after touchdown (at least in a non-situational). No chance.
Worked out really well for the Panthers in the Super Bowl, years ago.