Jets Get Rid of One Problem (Brian Schottenheimer), Now Must Tackle the Other (the Locker Room)
The Jets amicably (ha!) parted ways with their incompetent offensive coordinator, Brian Schottenheimer, late Tuesday night. The announcement came about an hour after the Jaguars named Mike Mularky their new head coach. Schottenheimer was supposed to be up for the job – yeah, right – so it’s no surprise the Jets’ cut ties with him after he didn’t get it. I called this back in November after the harrowing loss to the Broncos – no playoffs, and goodbye inept OC.
(It’s embarrassing that the Jets’ put up a big front last week about how he was going to be back if he didn’t get a head coaching job, but that’s not even worth getting into. It was just a pathetic smokescreen that absolutely nobody believed. It’d be a massive PR blunder, but thankfully the Giants made the playoffs and won a game, so not many people care.)
Quickly, the Jets’ snapped up former Miami head coach Tony Sparano to be their new offensive coordinator, and Todd Haley might be coming to join him in some fashion. (Does the axiom, “if you’ve got two QBs, you don’t have any,” hold true for offensive coordinators? Hope not.) I’d dive into a massive analysis of what the Dolphins’ did offensively the last few years – it’s obvious he likes to run the ball and kick field goals – but that can be saved for later in the offseason because of this next story.
Anonymous Jets - or former Jets, cough, Schottenheimer, cough – hate Mark Sanchez! He’s lazy!
“We have to bring in another quarterback that will make him work at practice,” said one player. “He’s lazy and content because he knows he’s not going to be benched.”
These anonymous Jets want Peyton Manning. It seems like they’d rather have a neckbrace-wearing Manning in the huddle than crappy Sanchez.
“Come on. That’s a no-brainer,” a Jets source said. “If you have a chance to get a healthy 36-year-old Peyton Manning and you don’t do it, then you’re stupid. If I could get a healthy 36-year-old Peyton Manning, then, hell yeah, I would trade Sanchez.”
Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News was already called out by Nick Mangold of the Jets for the story, but frankly, I’m all for getting this out in the open, just like Greg McElroy’s outburst last week. Rex Ryan must call the team’s owner, Woody Johnson – who apparently is out campaigning with Mitt Romney – huddle with him, and find out how they can purge the garbage from this locker room. My guess is that some of this came from Antonio Cromartie – if you follow Mehta on twitter, you know he’s friendly with the mouthy Cro – and Schottenheimer unloaded as well on his way out the door. I’d also guess some of this came from Plaxico Burress, who was such a model citizen with the Giants that Eli Manning lobbied hard to bring him back after Plax was released from prison. Oh, wait, that never happened. Gosh, I hope Plaxico isn’t with the Jets next season.
Is there a kernel of truth to Sanchez being lazy? Maybe. Tough to tell. I do think Sanchez crumbled badly this year behind a weakened offensive line and did a poor job trying to keep two me-first receivers happy. He made none of them happy.
Ultimately, I do think all the calling out will be positive. Take the trash out and clean up that toxic locker room. As for Peyton Manning, today, I stand by this.

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January 11th, 2012 at 12:30 PM
Not really.
Looking forward to that Henne/Sanchez quarterback competition this August.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:30 PM
Cut Sanchez.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:31 PM
I’m actually sad that I’m going to lunch now to miss this. Someone keep minutes please.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:31 PM
Well, he is Mexic@n.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:31 PM
I don’t see how this matters. Coaches get the vote of confidence and are fired a week later all the time in sports.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:31 PM
From the department of Redundancy department.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Has anyone ever used a variant of “I don’t want to get into this” but then immediately gotten into it?
Anyways. Seriously lack of discussion of Hartman characters earlier. I hate every ape I see, form chimpan-A to chimpanzee.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Jason, kudos to you opening your team up to this roughhouse. I know it’s not easy.
I am stunned that Ryan and others insinuated Schottenheimer might be a candidate for a HC job when he took such heat this season. Anybody who watched the Jets knew the OC wasn’t an asset.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:32 PM
and not then* immediately gotten into it, I mean.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:32 PM
If they addressed the bad QB problem, they probably wouldn’t have the locker room problem it seems.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:33 PM
re: hartman…use my penknife, my good man!
January 11th, 2012 at 12:33 PM
Locker room?
Who’s fault is that ? Ryan’s!
You had to be delusional to think that this wasn’t heading to this chaos
January 11th, 2012 at 12:33 PM
“Resolved: Sanchez sucks ass.”
“The motion passes”
“With no further business to discuss, the meeting was adjourned and we went back to talking cartoons.”
January 11th, 2012 at 12:34 PM
Until you decide to fire a guy, you support him. If you haven’t decided whether he’s being fired yet you definitely don’t want to undermine him.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:34 PM
Has anyone ever used a variant of “I don’t want to get into this” but then immediately gotten into it?
My father does it all the time when he’s speaking of my mother (they’ve been divorced for 22 years). He always says “I don’t want to speak ill of your mother, but….” he then proceeds to blame something on her.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:34 PM
I don’t know but the axiom “If Mark Sanchez is your QB, you don’t have any,” absolutely holds true.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:35 PM
What a song.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:35 PM
Don’t fool yourself…he loves this shit.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:35 PM
The locker room shit is overblown. The Jets had a bad season and they play in NYC. There is going to be real and fake drama that plays out in the newspapers.
You overcome that by winning.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:36 PM
i do think it’s funny that the best players on this team are the ones drafted by Mangini, all the additions Rex made are horrible.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:37 PM
“He’s lazy and content because he knows he’s not going to be benched.”
And, this guy supposedly your field general, your lead dog?
And, you’d rather have a guy with a jacked-up neck (that may never heal completely) than the guy you have?
If I was Rex Ryan, I would stay away from the cameras for the foreseeable future, wear dark glasses in press conferences, and insist on being a run-first offense/”bust you in the mouth” defense. Keep the scores around 17-10 next year, and get back into contention.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:37 PM
I was about to say something about this, and then I got it.
/it’s only 9:30 here, on my first cup of coffee
January 11th, 2012 at 12:37 PM
Mr. Simpson, the state bar forbids me from promising you a big cash settlement. But just between you and me, I promise you a big cash settlement.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:37 PM
this is the Jets we’re talking about… you know that right?
January 11th, 2012 at 12:37 PM
/team mangini
January 11th, 2012 at 12:38 PM
My father does it all the time when he’s speaking of my mother (they’ve been divorced for 22 years). He always says “I don’t want to speak ill of your mother, but….” he then proceeds to blame something on her.
I gotta bite my tongue daily to not do the same. But, it can be so danged easy.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:38 PM
I guess he got a second opinion.
/Doctor Zaius
//Doctor Zaius
January 11th, 2012 at 12:40 PM
I approve of putting Todd Haley into ANY chaotic situation. It can only be entertaining for us.
And I think the axiom you are looking for to describe this situation (Sparano/Haley combo) is: “too many chefs spoil the stew”.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:40 PM
i’m not saying Mangini was on the level of a guy like Andy Reid, but Eagles fans can expect this kind of future if they keep calling for Reid to be canned.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:41 PM
I doubt it. He will either be coaching the Raiders or back in Arizona.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:41 PM
Is the writing on the wall not clear enough for you? If the players don’t believe in their quarterback why do you want to get rid of those players? Do you not appreciate candor? It seems to me that getting rid of the problem starts with getting rid of the quarterback that has consistently made the big turnover, kept the team’s strong unit on the field for far too long and can’t throw the ball down the field.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:41 PM
I wonder what the % of “toxic” players are that are on offense. I don’t know if Sanchez is lazy and frankly nobody on here does unless we were able to watch every practice. What we do know is that Sanchez let himself be bullied by the WR corps and it really affected the team. So unless he magically comes in next year and puts his foot down to the WR (not gonna happen) this episode will repeat itself until either Sanchez or his WR’s are gone.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:41 PM
So both Chicago and the Jets need passing coordinators? Oh this next season will be fun to watch the crash and burn of Lovie and The Footman.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:42 PM
those team meetings should be great. run first and pass first philosophies competing for a team that can do neither well with the personnel on the current roster.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:43 PM
The Redskins a few years ago and the Chiefs this year have proven that having 4 different ex head coaches on your team really don’t mean much. The Jets bringing in all these old head coaches really isn’t that big of a deal.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
It’s like listening to women talk sports with these Jets posts. If Mark Sanchez was Chad Henne (which he kinda is, by the way) you wouldn’t give a fuck about him. Yet, because he patrols New York nightlife, is a pretty face and provides pageviews with his bedroom antics, you’re an apologist to the end.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
Yeah….who wouldn’t?
/I LOVE YOU DOCTOR ZASIUS
January 11th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
and Todd Haley might be coming to join him in some fashion
I doubt it. He will either be coaching the Raiders or back in Arizona.
Haley should be coach-without-portfolio for the league. Goodell should pay his salary, and let him spread his special style of “magic win sauce” throughout the league.
/loves barely-controlled chaos
January 11th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
I love legitimate the-ater.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
it’s embarrassing. can’t wait for Francesa at 1 pm. He’s going to trash the Jets. should be a great listen
January 11th, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Crap. I penalize myself by leaving the thread and going to lunch.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Reminds me a little of the McNabb/TO pissing match.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Seems like no one on here realizes that Sparano and Haley are really good friends and have been planning to go to the same team ever since they were both fired.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:46 PM
It’s only candor when you put your name to the statement.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:47 PM
So will rotten chorizo.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:47 PM
So both Chicago and the Jets need passing coordinators?
but neither has to employ an O line coach. So it’s no extra coaches, actually. And it’s two heads are better than one, although in Mike Tice’s case, one giant pinhead and whatever extra head they get.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
Like a LeBron-Wade thing? Or a Robinson-Duncan thing?
January 11th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
You’re right. I didn’t know that.
That said, just because they’re friends doesn’t mean the situation can’t devolve into a shit show.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
you’d also have to wonder if they will ever be able to attract any serious coaching talent if their M.O. is to treat their employees like that, other than coaches desperate to land another job after getting fired from their previous position.
seriously, do you want to work for a company that would do that to you? Instead of fire you, we’re going to make you quit if you can’t get another job. mostly because we don’t want to pay your contract, despite public statements saying we want to keep you.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
you know who I think it was that talked to this reporter? Nick Mangold.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:49 PM
As a Red Sox fan, I recuse myself from this conversation.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:50 PM
MP, I didn’t know the friendship angle. But, does that mean they can work together in a complimentary fashion?
We all have good friends (I guess). Most of mine are like me – we are all used to being in charge. Playing second chair isn’t natural to us. Could it be for either Sparano or Haley if they were to work together?
I always wonder about the dynamic when a deposed HC becomes an assistant in another organization. Can the guy who was the head guy bite his tongue and become a good soldier overnight?
January 11th, 2012 at 12:50 PM
So they’re Lebron and Bosh to Ryan’s Wade?
And BOOM I just gave TBL the idea for a post.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Seems like no one on here realizes that Sparano and Haley are really good friends and have been planning to go to the same team ever since they were both fired.
it seems like you might know a thing that has been widely reported, and you’re touting it as if it’s a kernel (or colonel) of insight so very bright just having it makes you a star, when in fact, that little nugget has been burned to charcoal on PFT daily since Sparano got fired.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Who wants to join me in a celebratory belt of scotch?
But Mr. Hutz, it’s 9:30 in the morning!
Yeah, but I haven’t slept in days. [Drinks] Last Chance! [Drinks] Ohhh yeah.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Now Apu, Mrs. Simpson claims she forgot she was carrying that bottle of delicious bourbon, brownest of the brown liquors… So tempting. What’s that? You want me to drink you? But I’m in the middle of a trial!
January 11th, 2012 at 12:52 PM
Probably depends on the circumstances in which he was unemployed in the first place and what he expects out of his career, long term.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:53 PM
I am stunned that Ryan and others insinuated Schottenheimer might be a candidate for a HC job when he took such heat this season. Anybody who watched the Jets knew the OC wasn’t an asset.
you know what’s the worst? Now he’s actually interviewed for a HC job, and he has nepotism on his side. So he’s a head coaching candidate in waiting the next time a team fires an old retread D coordinator, and wants the next young coordinator with a little name recognition. And yes, I mean Kansas City.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:54 PM
Just take it one day at a time, and know that I love you.
I love you too, man.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:54 PM
TJ Yates > Mark Sanchez. Only Yates is a 3rd stringer, as he ought to be. Sanchez is a 3rd stringer getting a starter’s snaps.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:54 PM
Can the guy who was the head guy bite his tongue and become a good soldier overnight?
consider that he is getting paid twice in almost every case, and more than likely doing less work to get the double pay.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:54 PM
…and that fact is this…I’m not wearing a tie at all!
January 11th, 2012 at 12:54 PM
As a Bills fan, I can’t really make fun of any other coaching staff.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:56 PM
Hahahaha yessssss. We have gone from being a train wreck in-season to being a train wreck in the off-season as well. I can just imagine having Haley and Rex yelling at each other on the sidelines, and cannot wait for it. I can also imagine Haley DESTROYING Sanchez as he walks back to the sidelines after another interception.
Sparano I am indifferent towards, it’s just nice not having Schotty as this point. It can’t get worse..can it?
‘Lying’ about keeping Schotty the past few weeks to the media seems more like professional courtesy to me, if they knew he was a candidate for a job.
Tracking someone elses twitter follows is interesting I guess though. But what if those media people are just bad at twitter? No one cares about the traffic you are sitting in, guy. Even I had to unfollow @breannebenson for that very reason. It’s annoying. Actually that was stupid of me, I’m following her again.
Go Jets.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Say hello to Miguel Sanchez!
January 11th, 2012 at 12:57 PM
You mean like in this PFT post from today? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/11/todd-haley-could-join-jets-staff/
January 11th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
/moderated
January 11th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
Cutting Sanchez and Firing Ryan would be good next moves.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:59 PM
You mean like in this PFT post from today?
I’m saying they’ve run half a dozen stories on that exact subject matter. It wasn’t exactly the knowledge bomb you thought you were dropping.
January 11th, 2012 at 1:01 PM
Have you heard of Planet of the Apes?
The movie or the planet?
January 11th, 2012 at 1:04 PM
“Della, do I have any calls?”
“Calls? Oh, yes. The Supreme Court called.”
“Ah, tell them I’ll get back to them.”
January 11th, 2012 at 1:06 PM
Now Mr. Simpson, your son is my first client who is actually injured. According to this book [picks up book titled "The Law"], that’s a big deal.
January 11th, 2012 at 1:06 PM
It was more that I couldn’t believe how many people said there no way they could work together.
January 11th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
Wade Phillips is a pretty timely and good example of this working; however, I don’t think Wade Phillips has much alpha dog in him, as far as personalities go. Also, Kubiak doesn’t have shit to do with the defense, so Phillips is essentially running that part of the team.
January 11th, 2012 at 1:09 PM
The Bears are cheap, thats why Ruskell, Angelo’s best friend, will be GM.
The pass coordinator will be a local HS coach.
/the brownest of the brown liquors
January 11th, 2012 at 1:12 PM
This is amazing. TBL, what will it take for you to admit that Sanchez is the primary problem? Jets fans can’t blame Shotty anymore, so if he has a bad year again in 2012 what is the excuse? New system? Wide receivers? Schedule? When will it be on Sanchez?
January 11th, 2012 at 1:13 PM
you know what’s the worst? Now he’s actually interviewed for a HC job, and he has nepotism on his side.
This is one thing I hate about pro sports. Just ’cause your daddy did a good job doesn’t mean you have aptitude for it. If Schottenheimer’s last name was Smith AND he had the same level of accomplishment, he wouldn’t rate interviews for HC jobs. He’d be just another guy scuffling from year to year.
/looking at you, Stephen Jones, and the rest of the Cowboys’ front office
January 11th, 2012 at 1:13 PM
It really is true that the best players on the Jets are Mangini guys.
Shocking how the precipitous the talent has fallen off after Teflon Tannebaum made Mangini the fall guy for the Favre debacle.
January 11th, 2012 at 1:15 PM
He’s not only babied by his coaching staff – bloggers are more than happy to throw other guys under the bus (o-line, coaching staffs, defense) to prop up a below-average QB. At this point, Mark Sanchez should aspire to be Alex Smith.
January 11th, 2012 at 1:17 PM
JT.. just saw your Warriors post re announcers in Ballin’… Totally agree 100% that Fitz is the worst. He’s a Hawk Harrelson level homer during games, and the biggest apologist on his show during the day. I’m close to cutting off the announcers during the game and going with Tim Roye on the radio, he’s much better.
January 11th, 2012 at 1:17 PM
consider that he is getting paid twice in almost every case, and more than likely doing less work to get the double pay.
Sounds like retired military working as contractors for the units/organizations from which they retired. God bless America.
January 11th, 2012 at 1:18 PM
Sanchez is very much like Corona, both are weak, ineffectual, need a strong supporting cast to succeed (good defense, strong liquor) and both are hugely over hyped and often in the hands of high school girls.
/racist
January 11th, 2012 at 1:19 PM
I just can’t stop smiling. Maybe I should see a doctor if this lasts more than 4 hours.
January 11th, 2012 at 1:22 PM
Can’t believe they decided to part ways with Schottenheimer after he coordinated two runs to the AFC championship game.
January 11th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
Not defending Sanchez, but isn’t Alex Smith proof of what a new system can do to a quarterback?
January 11th, 2012 at 1:24 PM
Until you decide to fire a guy, you support him. If you haven’t decided whether he’s being fired yet you definitely don’t want to undermine him.
Yeah, but…
In today’s media cycle, guys get undermined all the time. When the HC says “it’s my fault we weren’t prepared”, he really is pointing at his coordinators.
You can also undermine an assistant by “no comment”-style avoidance. The very thing you don’t answer when asked may be the thing you are most PO’d about.
January 11th, 2012 at 1:26 PM
Cant wait for Stephen Belichick to get his first head coaching job
January 11th, 2012 at 1:28 PM
Is this directed at Rex?
January 11th, 2012 at 1:33 PM
Is this directed at Rex?
If the shoe fits.
It’s directed for any son of an accomplished coach/GM/owner who runs his mouth without that genuine competence. You can plug in “Steinbrenner”, if that helps.
I just get a little jealous when those guys walk around with swagger, when “Daddy” did all the work. The amount of aptitude the sons gained only went as far as Daddy’s luxury box.
January 11th, 2012 at 1:37 PM
a new system brought in by an effective and competent head coach.
January 11th, 2012 at 1:38 PM
Sparano’s never been an OC, so this is surprising.
January 11th, 2012 at 1:45 PM
Yes, but Alex Smith is not someone who I’d ever say “there are only 8 QBs I’d rather have than him.” Which is fine – Trent Dilfer did QB a Super Bowl champion. Sanchez might be able to be competent, but he’s nothing more than a game manager at best.
Speaking of Dilfer, I wonder if he’d still toss the keys to the SUV to Sanchez. Poor Mark would probably drive that thing off a cliff.
January 11th, 2012 at 1:45 PM
He was at the college level, and until he gave up the duties to Garrett in Dallas he was the play caller even though he didn’t have the title.
January 11th, 2012 at 1:48 PM
I don’t get your point. That Rex should be fired? Or that the Jets’ new set of offensive coaches will do for Sanchez what the 49ers new staff did for Alex Smith?
January 11th, 2012 at 1:48 PM
which is always the mark of a truly great offensive coordinator
January 11th, 2012 at 1:51 PM
what’s not to get about my point? Rex isn’t a good head coach.
January 11th, 2012 at 1:51 PM
Don’t blame football decisions made by Jerry Jones on Sparano’s abilities
January 11th, 2012 at 1:52 PM
Has there ever been a situation where a former HC was hired by a division rival? Just seems odd. Hopefully, for Jets fans sake, Sparano quits the coddling of Sanchez and he grows a pair. Holmes needs a QB he can respect, not a nice guy who wants to live the fun night life in NYC and be liked by everyone.
Is Tom Moore still on the staff as a consultant. Him and Sparano would be a good fit as run game coordinator/pass game coordinator once they get Manning.
January 11th, 2012 at 1:57 PM
The Bears have two on their staff as coordinators (Marinelli and Tice)…they just need to being in Mike Sherman to be the passing-game coordinator and the trifecta will be complete
January 11th, 2012 at 1:57 PM
I think Alex Smith showed more accuracy and judgment than Sanchez has at this point. Also, you rarely got the “sources” questioning his leadership and work ethic. Still teams won’t be falling over themselves to sign him if he is a FA.
January 11th, 2012 at 1:59 PM
Was Marinelli hired in the immediate season following his firing? Just seems like a strange situation, though it’s probably just me.
January 11th, 2012 at 1:59 PM
dick lebeau?
January 11th, 2012 at 2:02 PM
Not entirely true. Mike Nolan, that POS SOB, did this in 2007 and it undermined the entire team. This was the season after Norv was o-coordinator and went to SD to be the head coach, also known as the only other time Alex Smith showed decent progression.
January 11th, 2012 at 2:06 PM
Doesn’t count, he was sent to Cincy as a saboteur. He was promised that DC job when he came back.
January 11th, 2012 at 2:19 PM
Crabtree also called him out.
January 11th, 2012 at 2:34 PM
I do remember that now, though I think he called out his talent, not his leadership/work ethic.
January 11th, 2012 at 2:47 PM
This would be more accurate. Nolan questioned his toughness. Nolan was also a fuckwad, so there’s that.
But I don’t think he was ever “babied” like poor little Mark.