People Are Ripping Jeff Pearlman’s Walter Payton Bio Before It’s Even Out
A decade later, sportswriter Jeff Pearlman may still be most famous for unspooling enough rope that Atlanta Braves closer/Cro-magnon John Rocker could hang his career from the elevated tracks of the 7 train. Since that Sports Illustrated bombshell, Pearlman has written five books, sticking mostly to sports blackguards: Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, the ’86 Mets, the mid-’90s Dallas Cowboys. One man’s sports hero is always another man’s childhood-wrecking villain, and any portrayal of an athlete’s flaws are bound to be ripped in some quarters, but that compounds when the subject is a jock who isn’t widely acknowledged to be the sort of indictable sonuvabitch that Clemens or Bonds is. Let’s say, in fact, that the subject in question happened to amass NFL records and public adoration in a city that views itself as a football town. And that the subject also died a public, stoic, early death a dozen years ago.
Now let’s say you portray that subject fully, including the lesser-reported, deeply personal facts that he was depressive, harbored murder-suicide fantasies, got giggly on nitrous oxide even at training camp, half-stayed in a three-flat-tires marriage and was perpetually blotto on painkillers:
As a player he had numbed his maladies with pills and liquids, usually supplied by the Bears. Payton popped Darvon robotically during his playing days, says [his longtime agent Bud] Holmes, “I’d see him walk out of the locker room with jars of painkillers, and he’d eat them like they were a snack”, and also lathered his body with dimethyl sulfoxide, a topical analgesic commonly used to treat horses.
Why, if you were to write such things, then you might just piss off a few Walter Payton fans.
Sports Illustrated this week rolled out an excerpt from his latest book, due for release next week, and SI.com has a quick round-up of some of the juicier slabs of Sweetness: The Enigmatic Life of Walter Payton. Pearlman says in a separate Q&A with SI.com that he insisted on writing an exhaustive account of Payton’s life, backlash be damned: “There’s something important about learning that even the greatest among us have their burdens. Whether you’re a Hall of Fame running back or a guy moving cement, we all have issues. No one lives up to the pedestal.”
But he still knew he was going to draw some fire. His Twitter feed, which is worth following even during news lulls, has been like watching gladiatorial battle. It started early Wednesday morning with the tweet “Today should be … interesting,” and sure enough ramped up from there, with responses like these:
* “read the entire book before you make such accusations. Please. this was one period of his life.”
* “uh … you read one excerpt about his darkest days. how about reading the actual book before taking a stance like that?”
* “i understand your reaction, but why do flaws/struggles/issues damn a legacy. He was a great RB; a great man who happened to have his struggles. as we all do. to make someone a mythical figure … what service does that provide?”
* “how can you say that without reading the whole book? seriously, feel free to kill me … after you read the whole thing.”
* “by ‘fucking asshole,’ I’m guessing you’re not gonna buy the book.”
A running theme: Pearlman urging people not to judge the book by its most dour parts alone. (Conveniently, that line of rejoinder dovetails nicely with a suggestion that someone actually Buy the Book before railing against him.) Eventually time will iron out Payton’s legacy the way it has for Joe DiMaggio, Ted Williams, Ty Cobb. There’s a reason people keep talking about the legendary bastards long after they’re gone. Without a nasty streak, a dark side, an athlete’s legacy fades into his stats and still photos. Unless you’re Seabiscuit, no one’s gonna buy that book. Who in his right mind wants to read about clean living? If you want to join history, it’s better to be remembered weaknesses and all than to be substantively forgotten.

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September 29th, 2011 at 12:01 PM
Has there been a book about Barry Sanders?
September 29th, 2011 at 12:03 PM
Yeah it’s called “1 Minus 2 Equals Negative Fun: The Barry Sanders Playoff Story”
/Troy McClure’d
September 29th, 2011 at 12:03 PM
Death penalty for that organization.
/Bizarro world SC
September 29th, 2011 at 12:03 PM
there isn’t a perfect person…cheating on his wife and taking pain killers to play is probably about as benign a vice as you’ll find in the NFL.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:03 PM
People have to let it go with thinking their athletic heroes are moral titans.
Payton was one of the greatest football players of my lifetime.
Also, accusing a football player from that time period of using/abusing prescription drugs is like accusing the grass of being green. I just assume that the NFL handed those things out like M&Ms.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:04 PM
No, but he co-wrote The Giving Tree with Shel Silverstein.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:06 PM
I couldn’t get through the first paragraph without a thesaurus.
Spencer hit it on the head.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:06 PM
goodell’s punishment of Payton and the Bears should be interesting, since these are only allegations I’m sure he’ll be suspended from the All-Time NFL team for 8 games and his HOF bust melted down and sold as scrap to pay his fines to charity.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:07 PM
I had a pair of Roos when I was a kid that came with a poster of Payton leaning against a Lambo (maybe Ferrari) in front of what looked like a castle. Naturally, he was wearing a headband, tank top and shorty shorts.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:08 PM
I think the problem is that the book isn’t being sold as a complete view of Payton’s life (the bad and the good; the greatness and the price he paid to fulfill his potential) but is being sold almost exclusively on the salacious, the damning and the bad.
Fans are naturally going to be pissed about it.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:10 PM
if they are, they need something else to fill their life.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:10 PM
I love Walter Payton. Nothing can change that. I can tell he was a great father because of how his kid turned out. It saddens me that Pearlman will make money off tarnishing the name of another man.
johndewar and Spence summed up the rest of my thoughts.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:10 PM
lol. Bravo.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:11 PM
Can’t wait for the Tom Brady biography
/in 2025
//begins waiting in line
September 29th, 2011 at 12:11 PM
Gale Sayers > Walter Payton
/I Am Third is a great fucking book.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:14 PM
“Buy my book”
September 29th, 2011 at 12:14 PM
Can’t wait for the Tom Brady biography
Tom Brady had numerous homosexual relationships during his playing days.
/Jeff Pearlman in 14 years.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:15 PM
Gale Sayers > Walter Payton, Devin Hester, Brian Urlacher, and Red Grange combined
/Gale Sayers’d
//NFL Top Ten’d
September 29th, 2011 at 12:16 PM
This is everything I’ve ever wanted to see in an internet comment
I read Pearlman’s book about the Cowboys, any stories here about Sweetness masturbating in front of Ditka?
September 29th, 2011 at 12:17 PM
Where the Sidewalk Ends >> The Giving Tree
This was a good post, by the way.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:17 PM
If Ditka had knowledge, can we retroactively ban him from coaching the Saints for 3 years?
September 29th, 2011 at 12:17 PM
“Buy my book”
If this was meant to be a reference to The Critic, then it’s a good one.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:18 PM
You say some very strange things.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:19 PM
Fans are naturally going to be pissed about it.
if they are, they need something else to fill their life.
Fans is short for fanatics.
“Buy my book”
September 29th, 2011 at 12:19 PM
One excerpt does not a whole book make.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:19 PM
Shit organization.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:21 PM
Shots fired at Tony Dungy’s parenting ability
September 29th, 2011 at 12:21 PM
no, but a loss of draft picks for the saints would be appropriate, meaning ricky williams never goes to NO, forever altering the NFL timeline, creating an alternate reality.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:21 PM
If Ditka had knowledge, can we retroactively ban him from coaching the Saints for 3 years?
I’ll settle for a lifetime ban for him and Chris Berman from Sunday Countdown.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:21 PM
Where the Sidewalk Ends >> The Giving Tree
I never pictured you to be much of a George Strait fan.
/sarcasm tag
September 29th, 2011 at 12:23 PM
I’m going to hell for laughing at this.
/among other things
September 29th, 2011 at 12:24 PM
A football player hooked on painkillers?
/Calls TMZ and Deadspin
September 29th, 2011 at 12:26 PM
Im shocked that a writer would use the shortcomings and dark side of an athlete to sell a book. Shocked and appalled
September 29th, 2011 at 12:27 PM
I bet the excerpt will be one of the primary drivers as to why people purchase the book. Otherwise, it’s just another book on Walter Payton.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:28 PM
Shots fired at Tony Dungy’s parenting ability
+ 1 Pray the Gay away seminar vip backstage pass
September 29th, 2011 at 12:28 PM
More specifically it says he abused Vicodin, clearly the painkiller of champions
September 29th, 2011 at 12:29 PM
And you know this how?
September 29th, 2011 at 12:29 PM
SC
How did you think Tatar, Brunnstrom and Nyquist looked out there? The game was blacked out in my area(No idea why, fuck Comcast). Had to watch it on the computer.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:29 PM
Fantastic.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:30 PM
Wait, so you end this bit concerned about the q-rating of Walter Payton’s shade?
September 29th, 2011 at 12:31 PM
I only noticed one of them, Vlad. Tatar. He skates well and looks good when when he defends the high slot. He’s not afraid to block a shot. I don’t recall how well he did in faceoffs.
The other two didn’t really get noticed. Take that as good or bad.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:31 PM
Not Pearlman’s fault that other books about Payton didn’t tell the whole story.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:31 PM
I don’t get the outrage. Do Chicago fans think that any foible of Payton’s should be ignored and never brought up?
September 29th, 2011 at 12:32 PM
You’re missing the point. By another book about Walter Payton, I mean it would just be 2-300 something pages about how good Walter was at football and how tragic his death was. This book has a salacious detail. People like that. People buy things like that. It’s why tabloids are still at the checkout line at the grocery store.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:32 PM
Brunnstrom scored 2. He has great hands and offensive skills, looked good in the corners. Needs to work on his 2-way game. Nyquist is small but he’s fast and can dangle.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:33 PM
No, you’re exactly right. It’s not his fault. But again, it’ll be one of the reasons people buy the book. To read about the dark side. Not about the other facets of his life that have been written about in excess.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:34 PM
pretty much.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:34 PM
No…you are. You are saying this is just another book, yet you’ve only read, what, 5% of it? You don’t know shit about this book other than the fact that Pearlman goes into a depth not yet seen before. You’re acting like some 12-year-old fanboy who just found out his ‘hero” football player liked coke and banging hookers. Grow up.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:35 PM
No. But most people like to remember their heroes in a good way and just ignore the bad stuff. I remember Michael Jordan as the greatest basketball player ever. Not as a womanizer with a gambling problem. Just like you’ll remember Bill Belichick as a great football coach. Not an egomaniac that cheated on his wife.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:36 PM
I don’t get the outrage. Do Chicago fans think that any foible of Payton’s should be ignored and never brought up?
Yes, but it’s not just fans of Walter Payton in Chicago. There will always be people who want to be blindly angry at anyone who points out that their sports heroes were not perfect.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:36 PM
How can Payton be SC’s football hero when he would have been 3 years old at the end of the guy’s career? This would be like me getting upset after learning about shit Bart Starr was into
September 29th, 2011 at 12:36 PM
Parrish – I would suggest you read the first comment I made in this thread and not extrapolate thoughts for me that I don’t have. Reread number 44 while you’re at it.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:37 PM
Maybe y’all need better sports heroes? Like Stevie Y! Excellent on and off the ice and the front office.
/Kwame Brown’d
September 29th, 2011 at 12:37 PM
Nice try Butters. Your bait is stale.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:39 PM
Way to go, Butters. You just put out the bat signal to Ballz.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:39 PM
Read them both and think they’re just as dumb as when I first read them. Slamming the author for writing the truth is one of the dumbest things someone can do. It’s not the author’s fault your “hero” was human.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:39 PM
It was an honest question, any memory of watching the guy play would be like when Ballz recalled watching Super Bowls that happened before he was born
September 29th, 2011 at 12:40 PM
i like my sports heroes to be bitter, angry and vicious.
-hogan, tiger, MJ, jim brown, pete rose.
or be a pothead.
-manny and sticky ricky.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:40 PM
How can Payton be SC’s football hero when he would have been 3 years old at the end of the guy’s career? This would be like me getting upset after learning about shit Bart Starr was into
Bart Starr was into coke and hookers ?!?!
September 29th, 2011 at 12:42 PM
He’s not my hero, Parrish. I’m not shaming Jeff Pearlman. Your preconceived notions of me are acting as blinders in this matter. I’ll remember Payton how I want to remember him. I also won’t buy this book and after this thread, probably won’t have another discussion on the topic since it seems to the equivalent of a political roundup.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:42 PM
It’s one thing to remember the highs fondly, but it’s another to attempt to turn a blind eye to any dark aspects.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:42 PM
so is slamming someone when you’ve read just about as much of the book as he has. but sure…take jeff pearlman’s word at face value…it’s not like he hasn’t had his fair share of dickhead moments (see: “will clark is a cackling douche”).
September 29th, 2011 at 12:42 PM
How dare a writer challenge the public’s fictitious sensibilities about a man they never met. From now on athlete biographies should be written only by PR firms:
I didn’t do it and this is how I didn’t do it – Rae Carruth
Why I am a good driver the Leonard Little Story
You should have seen this girl -Eugene Robinson
Jesus vs crispy cream and purple drank the salvation of Jamarcus Russell
September 29th, 2011 at 12:42 PM
LOL. Please pass this over to Mr. Bachmann
September 29th, 2011 at 12:43 PM
It was his coping mechanism for dealing with Lombardi, okay?
September 29th, 2011 at 12:43 PM
That was easier than retyping it.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:43 PM
It sucks when SC’s teams are shitty, he does not handle adversity well. If he was a salad dressing I think he would be_____.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:43 PM
Pearlman’s a polarizing figure in some parts Redneck America because of John Rocker.
/not defending Rocker
//but it’s possible to hate New York and not be a racist
///Rocker’s article just made it harder
September 29th, 2011 at 12:43 PM
I’m continually amazed by this. The ability to separate the Athlete Good at Sports from the Actual Human Being is pretty much a pre-requisite for fandom, as far I’m concerned.
John Elway is, by every account I’ve ever heard, basically a worthless asshole. And guess what–I don’t care if he fucks a Raiders cheerleader instead of his wife or stiffs waitresses or what have you. I didn’t grow up rooting for that guy. I grew up rooting for #7.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:43 PM
This is the comment that started this:
It saddens me that Pearlman will make money off tarnishing the name of another manSeptember 29th, 2011 at 12:45 PM
+1. (Or is it -1).
Sanders running out of bounds on every play looks pretty smart in retrospect.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:45 PM
I’m saying judging this book by this excerpt seems silly. There could be 100 pages of this and 300-400 pages of how great he was. You simply don’t know until you read it. Personally I find this stuff fascinating. This man seems to have been a tortured soul like so many other people, yet no one ever talked about it. If anything Pearlman should get props for writing about someone so familiar and exposing a side never seen before.
/having said all of that, I highly doubt I’ll buy this book
//Sorry jeff
September 29th, 2011 at 12:45 PM
look…who isn’t?
September 29th, 2011 at 12:45 PM
SC, just came across video showing how the Blackhawks logo is painted on center ice. Thought you’d be interested:
http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?&id=122286
September 29th, 2011 at 12:46 PM
Because many people that buy the book will do so because of an excerpt, St. Bear. Why do you think it was the first portion of the book that was released to the public? Because it will get people to buy it. That’s why the best parts of movies are shown in trailers.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:46 PM
Wait, didnt he marry a Raiders cheerleader?
September 29th, 2011 at 12:47 PM
Bart Starr was into coke and hookers ?!?!
look…who isn’t?
oh, I’m not judging, judt moving him up my all-time fave players list
September 29th, 2011 at 12:47 PM
I’ve already seen that video, ms. It’s several weeks old. I was also there last night and saw it in person.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:47 PM
and he got rid of her as soon as she started to look like al davis.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:47 PM
It’s the 12 years olds who have the need to find out someone liked coke and banging hookers. It would also take a 12 year old naievte to believe that these foibles are not the selling point of the book.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:47 PM
You shouldn’t speak ill of Marie Lombardi.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:47 PM
Yeah, after the divorce from Janet.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:48 PM
I’ve already seen that video, ms. It’s several weeks old. I was also there last night and saw it in person.
Well ok then. I thought it was cool.
/kicks rock
September 29th, 2011 at 12:49 PM
Add the gambling and you’re talking about Paul Hornung.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:49 PM
Of course this was done to sell the book, and I have no problem with that. Pearlman isn’t tarnishing Payton’s legacy, he’s exposing him for what he was, imperfect.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:49 PM
Thanks Darrell.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:49 PM
That Cat Was Already Decapitated – Kevin Mitchell
September 29th, 2011 at 12:50 PM
Part of the problem is we like to divide our athletes into “good guys” and “bad guys.” I think there’s some value in showing there’s a huge gray area in between.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:50 PM
Yes, but it’s not just fans of Walter Payton in Chicago. There will always be people who want to be blindly angry at anyone who points out that their sports heroes were not perfect.
Unless you’re able to spin the negatives into quirks a la John Daly or cultural differences like Mickey Mantle’s issues.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:50 PM
Starr was big fan of practicing the “goal line push” with ladies of ill repute playing the role of Jim Ringo since his wife wouldn’t do such things
September 29th, 2011 at 12:50 PM
I’ve already seen that video, ms. It’s several weeks old. I was also there last night and saw it in person.
spoken like a true internet elitist.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:51 PM
John Daly and Charles Barkley are made of teflon. And fat.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:51 PM
Exactly. I’d rather know the truth about someone then the sugar-coated version. I guess some people wouldn’t, though.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:51 PM
They released these excerpts to draw attention to the book. Because they knew it would be controversial. I don’t think any of the reaction is surprising. Of course it’s stupid to attack Pearlman off the excerpts, but this was all very well orchestrated to sell the thing.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:52 PM
Legend, him and Max McGee both…although I don’t think coke existed back then, those boys just had to work with the liquor
September 29th, 2011 at 12:53 PM
those other pages aren’t being used to hype the book, husker. the link for the excerpt on SI.com says “an excerpt alleges payton abused painkillers, had extramarital affairs and had suicidal thoughts.”
if the book had that stuff in there, great…but they’re using THAT material exclusively to promote it. it doesn’t matter payton engaged in that activity, but to profit off of tarnishing someone’s image? that’s slimy.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:54 PM
Legend, him and Max McGee both…although I don’t think coke existed back then, those boys just had to work with the liquor
/pussies
//Michael Irvin
September 29th, 2011 at 12:54 PM
I thought he was just trying to distract me to get me to stop explaining my point. But your observation is correct nonetheless.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:56 PM
I thought he was just trying to distract me to get me to stop explaining my point.
Nope, I don’t have a dog in this fight. Just trying to be a generous commenter.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:56 PM
if the book had that stuff in there, great…but they’re using THAT material exclusively to promote it. it doesn’t matter payton engaged in that activity, but to profit off of tarnishing someone’s image? that’s slimy.
Is that a shot @ TBL ?!?!?!?
September 29th, 2011 at 12:56 PM
I agree with a lot of what you’re saying. I just don’t see the problem with it. You can personally be conflicted about the news, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen and shouldn’t be reported (assuming all sources are legit).
September 29th, 2011 at 12:56 PM
i wouldn’t sugar coat a shot at TBL.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:58 PM
i have a problem with pearlman and the publishers receiving a profit for it, however. why should they get paid for being gossips? that’s the only reason anyone would buy this book.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:59 PM
i have a problem with pearlman and the publishers receiving a profit for it, however. why should they get paid for being gossips? that’s the only reason anyone would buy this book.
If Payton’s family had signed off on the book being written, would that no longer make them ‘gossips’?
September 29th, 2011 at 1:01 PM
I’ve seen the reaction from Chicagoans and a lot of the media here from these excerpts. Little to none of them are positive. That leads me to believe that most of those people with negative opinions won’t buy the book because they don’t like seeing Walter portrayed in such a fashion. The people that buy it will be the ones that like those kind of details.
That’s exactly how I’d sell the book if I had written it. It makes money. The book won’t affect my image of Walter likely because I won’t read it. I really don’t have any problem with Pearlman writing the book. His job as a writer is to make money. This is how you do it. My only sentiment is that yes, it does disappoint me (maybe saddens was the wrong word) that this his how books are sold these days.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:02 PM
pearlman still would be. he’s getting a large chunk of the profit from this book despite being a middle man. instead of making it a blog post, like it deserves to be, he’s putting it in a biography (one that’s probably not too different than previous bios) and getting a check for it.
that’s disgusting.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:02 PM
what “truth” did you learn, and what value did you gain from it?
September 29th, 2011 at 1:04 PM
So if they hadn’t posted the excerpts would you think this is “disgusting?”
September 29th, 2011 at 1:04 PM
how else could husker complete his ethical athlete power rankings?
September 29th, 2011 at 1:06 PM
That Peyton was far more complex and battled his own demons all while raising children and being a great player. He has more depth to him (in my opinion) today than he had yesterday.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:07 PM
no. they used these excerpts for marketing purposes alone…where’s the integrity in “remember that good guy athlete you all love? WELL HE FUCKED HOOKERS AND POPPED PILLS. buy the rest of the book so you can read the only thing that you couldn’t find before! sure that’s only 15 pages or so but hey!”
September 29th, 2011 at 1:07 PM
pearlman still would be. he’s getting a large chunk of the profit from this book despite being a middle man. instead of making it a blog post, like it deserves to be, he’s putting it in a biography (one that’s probably not too different than previous bios) and getting a check for it.
What if his family wanted to tell Walter’s story? I can see the morality of what you’re arguing, but IF, and I say this having no idea what Walter’s family thinks of this, they had signed off on it, what’s wrong with Pearlman making money? This isn’t Russia Danny. This isn’t Russia, Danny. It’s ok to make money in this country.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:08 PM
Not really sure why I wrote “this isn’t Russia Danny” twice.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:08 PM
more depth? im pretty sure his character shone through when he was fighting for his life while encouraging people to donate their organs.
but yea…an affair REALLY adds a meaningful layer to this onion.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:09 PM
If you prefer the life and times of Walter Peyton to be fictional network sitcom rather than an biographical HBO miniseries that’s your own problem.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:10 PM
but yea…an affair REALLY adds a meaningful layer to this onion.
How doesn’t it? We all have our good and bad sides. Doesn’t knowing both allow for greater understanding of a person?
I didn’t have a dog in this fight, but you’re line of reasoning has got me bewildered spencer.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:11 PM
nothing…it’s HOW he’s making the money that pisses me off. i hate rumor peddlers. he’s no better than someone at TMZ or US weekly spreading shit about brad pitt and angelina jolie.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:11 PM
Dammit…your. Not you’re.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:11 PM
Nothing wrong with making money. But don’t hide that reasoning behind some ethically or comapssionate driven need to shine the light on the true Walter Payton, be a proud gossiper. It’s about the money, and that’s what he is being judged on.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:11 PM
I came away from the excerpts more intrigued by Payton than I was before them. Sorry that you disagree with that.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:14 PM
He’s not peddling rumors. Everything is sourced.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:14 PM
nothing…it’s HOW he’s making the money that pisses me off. i hate rumor peddlers. he’s no better than someone at TMZ or US weekly spreading shit about brad pitt and angelina jolie.
If he was writing nothing but lies, then I’d be right there with you saying “fuck you in the ear, Jeff Pearlman”. But if his sources check out, then what’s the problem?
September 29th, 2011 at 1:15 PM
Bunch of crying teach-the-myth cunts up in here.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:15 PM
will this incident change your opinion of payton at all? in the fucking slightest?
probably not.
it’s not like this is tiger woods putting up sappy family pics while banging a phalanx of skanks behind the scenes. this isn’t a lie getting exposed or a curtain lifted, it’s smut sandwiched in between a biography that’s been written already.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:16 PM
Nothing wrong with making money. But don’t hide that reasoning behind some ethically or comapssionate driven need to shine the light on the true Walter Payton, be a proud gossiper. It’s about the money, and that’s what he is being judged on.
I don’t disagree with you Darrell. The book wouldn’t have been written if Pearlman, the publisher, et al didn’t think they could make money. But can’t different people take different things from this? Sure some people will, as some have pointed out, read this purely for titillation, but others will be intrigued by his character.
I just don’t see this in absolutes.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:16 PM
Yes.
/so we’re all good then, right?
September 29th, 2011 at 1:17 PM
My problem is the value added this new information brings to the table. What is the value added to you?
September 29th, 2011 at 1:17 PM
the problem is this isn’t being marketed as “a walter payton biography” it’s being marketed as “PILLS AND AFFAIRS AND SUICIDE inside a walter payton biography.”
if they didn’t mention the salacious shit, would you bother reading it? part two…now that you’ve read this excerpt are you intrigued in reading the rest of the biography?
September 29th, 2011 at 1:18 PM
will this incident change your opinion of payton at all? in the fucking slightest?
probably not.
I don’t understand your point here.
it’s not like this is tiger woods putting up sappy family pics while banging a phalanx of skanks behind the scenes. this isn’t a lie getting exposed or a curtain lifted, it’s smut sandwiched in between a biography that’s been written already.
I agree it’s not like Tiger Woods. But your assertion that it’s smut sandwiched in a biography is a matter of opinion.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:18 PM
Look at his in a different context. If an ex-CIA agent wrote a tell all book that talked about behind the scenes shit that was going on in ANY operation/battle/war that sullied our government or president,secretary of defense you would stand in line for that shit. It doesn’t make it gossip or bullshit, a lot of people find that kind of behind the scenes stuff intriguing.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:20 PM
My problem is the value added this new information brings to the table. What is the value added to you?
To be honest with you, I don’t know the answer to that question yet. I’ve barely looked at the excerpts. So I can’t give you an informed response. I will allow for the fact that the book could be nothing but trash, but I won’t make a judgment either way until I know more about it. Which I think is the fair thing to do.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:20 PM
if you answered no, then this new shit provides absolutely no value or depth to payton’s character.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:21 PM
if they didn’t mention the salacious shit, would you bother reading it? part two…now that you’ve read this excerpt are you intrigued in reading the rest of the biography?
If the reality of his life was salacious why wouldn’t the biography be?
September 29th, 2011 at 1:22 PM
that’s completely different…that’s what those guys are HIRED to do.
behind the scenes shit is intriguing, but this isn’t behind the scenes…this is at home, off the clock.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:22 PM
the problem is this isn’t being marketed as “a walter payton biography” it’s being marketed as “PILLS AND AFFAIRS AND SUICIDE inside a walter payton biography.”
if they didn’t mention the salacious shit, would you bother reading it? part two…now that you’ve read this excerpt are you intrigued in reading the rest of the biography?
So your problem is less with Pearlman and the material, but more with how it’s marketed and the state of our society where low-brow, titillating material sells better than works of great substance?
If that’s your position, then we are in agreement. But your anger at Pearlman would still be mysterious to me.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:23 PM
considering pearlman’s defending his book by saying “THIS IS ONLY A SMALL EXCERPT” it gives you the sense that there’s really not a whole lot in there.
and like i said above…pills and a mistress isn’t exactly salacious. unless you’re using it to slander a universally loved character…then it’s a different story.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:23 PM
We were going for. “Danny, this isn’t Russia. Is this Russia? This isn’t Russia.”
September 29th, 2011 at 1:24 PM
if you answered no, then this new shit provides absolutely no value or depth to payton’s character.
That I disagree with. Just because someone’s viewpoint doesn’t change does not mean that greater understanding is not achieved. I would imagine that there are many people out there, maybe not a majority, but many who will continue to appreciate Payton as a great player and person in spite of his flaws but will perhaps also appreciate that he had his demons as we all do and still managed to live a life that many others would find laudable.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:25 PM
We were going for. “Danny, this isn’t Russia. Is this Russia? This isn’t Russia.”
I meant to write it only once and for it to be a paraphrasing of that line.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:25 PM
Look here, Russia Danny–oh, wait, sorry, that was someone else.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:25 PM
yes.
did you like iron man 2? i didn’t…sure, they had a new character in it, but it was pretty much exactly like the first one. i didn’t want to pay $10 for 95% of the same thing i already paid for just to get 5% of something that’s new yet ultimately disappointing.
i guess i just don’t have much respect for pearlman as a professional considering that word only loosely applies to him.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:26 PM
If it’s true, it is by definition not slander.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:27 PM
did you like iron man 2? i didn’t…sure, they had a new character in it, but it was pretty much exactly like the first one. i didn’t want to pay $10 for 95% of the same thing i already paid for just to get 5% of something that’s new yet ultimately disappointing.
Fair enough. But that’s still a matter personal opinion.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:29 PM
bad choice of words…you’re right.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:30 PM
oh come on…who liked iron man 2?
September 29th, 2011 at 1:30 PM
In Summary:
Pearlman is a weasel
Sweetness got some strange
Cutler sucks
we done?
September 29th, 2011 at 1:31 PM
using it to slander a universally loved character
It would be libel/slander except the excerpt is sourced. If I want to hear hero worship I’ll watch NFL films if I want the true story of the man I’d read this.
/Not going to read it as I do not care, do not understand the haters though
September 29th, 2011 at 1:31 PM
oh come on…who liked iron man 2?
Haven’t seen either one. I try to avoid all low brow movies.
/internet elitist’d
September 29th, 2011 at 1:33 PM
but how do you build up a low brow tolerance?
September 29th, 2011 at 1:33 PM
Not to become like Walter Payton and have an embarrassing personal secret of mine be revealed but I thought Iron Man 2 was decent
September 29th, 2011 at 1:33 PM
He also looks like a hound dog and a horse, and threw picks in “the big spot.”
September 29th, 2011 at 1:34 PM
In all seriousness though spencer, what you said about Iron Man 2 is factually correct. Yet a large, large portion of society does not care. They will go to it because it has explosions and at least one pretty girl and it’s not hard to follow what’s going on. These people go to movies for escape. People who go to see, say “Tree of Life” aren’t going to escape from anything. They are going for the intellectual stimulation…the pretentious assholes.
But I do agree with you that society is ruled by the Lowest Common Denominator. I wish it was not the case, but I don’t see that changing any time soon.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:35 PM
Fuck John Elway
September 29th, 2011 at 1:35 PM
but how do you build up a low brow tolerance?
I watched a lot of Pauly Shore movies while simultaneously studying art history.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:36 PM
/emails ms621 ‘liquidation schedule’
September 29th, 2011 at 1:36 PM
Oh no, it appears that I’ve missed a lot.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:36 PM
Not to become like Walter Payton and have an embarrassing personal secret of mine be revealed but I thought Iron Man 2 was decent
You just cost yourself a lot of $$ in sales for your autobiography
September 29th, 2011 at 1:36 PM
Not to become like Walter Payton and have an embarrassing personal secret of mine be revealed but I thought Iron Man 2 was decent
You’re what’s wrong with society.
Not really, you’re fine. I liked Waiting and Proof of Life. Two not very good movies. So I’m no better.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:37 PM
/emails ms621 ‘liquidation schedule’
I thought we were going to code name that “English Porn” so no one was the wiser.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:38 PM
Henry Miller and Marquis de Sade would like a polite word about equating salaciousness with low brow taste.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:38 PM
Oh no, it appears that I’ve missed a lot.
We’ve gone big picture Hernia. We’re talking about society as a whole now rather than just Jeff Pearlman.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:39 PM
I will never apologize for loving Starship Troopers though
September 29th, 2011 at 1:39 PM
“bio dome” is only rivaled by the architecture of st. peter’s basilica.
/smokes pipe
September 29th, 2011 at 1:40 PM
Skechers Shape-Ups.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:40 PM
nor should you.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:41 PM
For me it’s:
Masters of the Universe
Mortal Kombat
September 29th, 2011 at 1:41 PM
I will never apologize for loving Starship Troopers though
nor should you.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:47 PM
When do we get a tell-all book exposing whatever the hell it was that Archie did to anger the gods and curse Peyton with that ginormous forehead?
September 29th, 2011 at 1:47 PM
Solid post by Eifling, until I find where he copied and pasted this from…
September 29th, 2011 at 2:37 PM
I had a pair of Roos when I was a kid that came with a poster of Payton leaning against a Lambo (maybe Ferrari) in front of what looked like a castle. Naturally, he was wearing a headband, tank top and shorty shorts.
Hmmm. I only had a post of some model with gigantic chest brains on my wall…but, you know, whatever helps you through those lean teen years.
September 29th, 2011 at 4:48 PM
Did not have time to read all of the comments.
dimethyl sulfoxide, a topical analgesic commonly used to treat horses.
This is not accurate.