Why Do College Football Teams Play In So Many Unprofitable Bowl Games? Ask ESPN.
College football optimizes nearly everything for profit, except the postseason. Teams that would play on Tuesday for extra ESPN ducats in October pay six or seven-figure premiums to play one-off December and January exhibitions. None are competitively valid. Most are unpopular. Rationally, the system that has arisen makes no sense. Why do these games exist? Why did Central Florida take a $1.1 million loss to send its players on a “once-in-a-lifetime” trip to Memphis?
Bowls can’t be justified by tradition. Yes, there’s the Rose, the Sugar, the Cotton and the Orange. Now, explain the existence of the TicketCity, the New Orleans, the Armed Forces, the Little Caesars, the Military, the Kraft Fight Hunger, the GoDaddy.com, the New Mexico, the Humanitarian, the Beef O’Brady’s, the Hawaii, the Champs Sports, the BBVA Compass, the Insight, the Pinstripe, the Poinsettia, the Texas, the Las Vegas and the Music City bowls.
To grasp why these games exist, we must look at who is benefitting from them.
Fans are not. They watch college football in whatever format it’s on, whether it’s their team or one of the major ones. Beer cracking and channel flipping do not indicate investment and support for the bowl format. That comes from attendance. Fans don’t want to travel to these games, which bowls counter in many cases by selecting regional teams. Bowls also force schools to assume the burden of selling their tickets (without doing so many games would perish). Schools then eat the cost and shift it, directly or indirectly, back to the fans themselves.
Connecticut playing in the Fiesta Bowl is an extreme case. Let’s look at “football schools” playing in the purportedly marquee bowls. Oklahoma ate $2.2 million, second highest figure in the country, playing in the Fiesta Bowl. Ohio State sold out its Sugar Bowl allotment, by opening it to the general public, including Arkansas fans. Auburn ate $781,825 in unsold tickets for the freaking BCS title game. The biggest football schools playing in the best bowls can’t entice their fans to attend these games. Whether fans are uninterested or just being priced out the system isn’t serving them.
Players are not the beneficiaries. A few get toasted by Pasadena or Miami. For every one of those there are kids missing class, missing Holidays with their families and bumming around hotels in Detroit, Memphis, Dallas, Jacksonville and Charlotte. The bowl system also denies them competitive opportunities. Concocted polls state the players would rather play bowl games. These polls always use weighted hypotheticals such as “would you rather be eliminated in a playoff once in three years or go to a bowl game every three years.” Such polls achieve their desired result. Of course they would choose the latter option. Ask a practical question in December to teams it affects. TCU, Stanford, Wisconsin and Oklahoma players, would you rather play in a closed off BCS Bowl game or compete for a national title? That poll’s results would be different.
Bowl committees argue they bring in millions to local communities. They don’t. It’s similar to the “new stadium” argument. The “economic impact” does not magically appear. It’s displaced spending. Whatever money fans spend, it is money they are not spending somewhere else. Since 17 Bowl Games featured de facto home teams, that somewhere else was often the very same area the game took place. Whatever the rhetoric the economic affect is negligible.
Schools don’t benefit tangibly from the bowl system. In exchange for the massive losses, there are posited intangible benefits. Proponents argue schools receive high-profile exposure and recruiting benefits, both for football players and prospective students. Perhaps, though it’s hard to differentiate those benefits, if they do exist, from the regular season. LSU is LSU because it’s in the SEC and nationally televised during the season, not because it played in the Cotton Bowl. Even if one can attribute the intangible benefits specifically to the bowls. Is it worth the massive financial hit?
Those making the decisions for schools, however, do benefit. Coaches and athletic directors receive trips to junkets such as the Fiesta Frolic. They have performance incentives built into their contracts for making bowl games. Most importantly, their jobs are predicated on the football team’s success. “Bowl eligibility” provides an attainable benchmark for success.
UTEP wasn’t a good team in 2010. They finished 6-6, 5-6 against FBS opponents. In the final Sagarin ratings, they were 121st, below 22 FCS teams. Yet, UTEP was “bowl eligible.” This earned Mike Price and his staff $133,639 in performance incentives (More money than UTEP received for playing in the bowl. It also assuaged legitimate concerns about his job security. Unsurprisingly, coaches prefer the bowl system.
Coaches and ADs do benefit from the bowl system, but the true beneficiary is ESPN. The bowl system has expanded because of ESPN. In 2000, there were 25 bowl games with ESPN televising 14 of them. Now, there are 35 bowl games. Including ABC in the equation, ESPN televises 33 of them. An ESPN subsidiary owns an operates seven of the games itself.
College football draws an audience. Even the worst of the worst bowl games in a down year do well on cable. Troy-Ohio and Florida International-Toledo still got 1.3 and 1.4 ratings, about on par with a mundane Sunday Night Baseball telecast. The BCS title game received the highest rating in cable history. ESPN profits substantially from the college football postseason, without much competition and without having to share enough of the revenue to ensure teams turn a profit.
ESPN, passively or actively, shapes the perception of college football. Bowl games are exhibitions played on neutral sites more than a month after the season’s end. Both teams are out of rhythm. There’s little competitively to read into them. College football functioned for most if its history with them playing a frivolous role. They weren’t factored into the final voting until the 1960s. Not until the 1980s were there even enough bowl games to accommodate the Top 25.
As sports media hegemon, ESPN has trumpeted and enhanced the perception of these games. What were New Year’s Day exhibitions have become THE games, with purported playoff-level intensity. They are treated as indelible parts of the college football season. It’s nearly impossible to conceive of the college football season without them. Though, schools would be better off not playing in them.
Our perceptions have changed. Consider Bob Stoops’ legacy. Why does his 6-6 record in exhibitions played more than a month after the season overshadow his 129-31 overall record, his 78-18 Big 12 record and finishing in the Top 11 nine times in 12 years? He can’t win a big game? The guy is 7-1 in Big 12 title games. He has seven wins against Texas. From 1967 to 1974 Bear Bryant went 0-1-7 in Bowl Games. He cost his teams four undefeated seasons. If he does that now, he’s a choker.
Through its promotion and coverage, ESPN inflates the importance of bowl games. It persistently increases the number of them. It creates an environment where not attending a bowl game is failure and not having your conference cram as many teams as possible into these games jettisons you from the national discussion. Teams feel they need to play in these games, to stay on ESPN’s radar. ESPN promotes the bowl system and may be the reason we don’t advance beyond it.
What happens with the playoff? Ratings increase, possibly pushing into the neighborhood of NFL playoff ratings. This gets the broadcast networks interested and prices ESPN out or, at the very least, forces them to pay far more than they are presently paying scattershot to individual bowl games. Conferences would demand that the schools profit from the system. Broadsides against the BCS in favor of a playoff from ESPN seem to have stopped, since ESPN got the rights back.
College football teams play bowl games for the same reason they do almost everything schedule related. It serves ESPN’s purposes.
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May 23rd, 2011 at 2:48 PM
1,318 words. Mama-mia.
May 23rd, 2011 at 2:48 PM
They can turn down the bowl invite, you know. They don’t have to accept them.
May 23rd, 2011 at 2:49 PM
yep. and it has happened.
May 23rd, 2011 at 2:49 PM
Bullshit argument. The NCAA tourney fucks with classes on the reg, and no one gives a shit.
May 23rd, 2011 at 2:49 PM
Granted I didn’t get through the whole post, but do the TV ratings support your “attendance matters way more than viewership fans will watch anything” theory? I could be wrong, but I’d guess a lot more people will watch two crappy teams play in a bowl game than on a random day.
May 23rd, 2011 at 2:53 PM
They don’t call him One-Trick Ty for nuttin.
/Duffy writes some fantastic stuff. The Bowl/CFB playoff thing is very old.
May 23rd, 2011 at 2:53 PM
I’m a CFB die hard who would like to see less bowl games, but the fix is easy: don’t watch. If no one watches, the games will fade away.
May 23rd, 2011 at 2:53 PM
this is a helluva write up.
cut bowls, go to a playoff, burn down bristol. the world will be a bette place.
May 23rd, 2011 at 2:54 PM
For every one of those there are kids missing class,
Bullshit argument. The NCAA tourney fucks with classes on the reg, and no one gives a shit.
I know schools have diffent last days of the semester, but aren’t a vast majority of the bowls played after class is out?
/didn’t read the post.
//this may have been addressed.
May 23rd, 2011 at 2:56 PM
That’s because their “Come Watch Shitty Teams Play Football” marketing campaign wasn’t working all that well
May 23rd, 2011 at 2:56 PM
You argue that the bowls don’t serve the fans, because they don’t travel to bowls. There is no evidence that a play-off will increase fans traveling to those games, and all forms of a play-off realize that the existing bowl system will have to be used to some extent.
Additionally, your conclusions as it applies to ESPN may be flawed. In studying the matter, ESPN may have concluded that the bowl system was going to stay around for quite a while, and decided to profit from that reality. That is what smart businesses do.
May 23rd, 2011 at 2:56 PM
False, I love bowl season, game every night.
Yet FCS schools continually spent huge sums to jump to DivI and schools jump at the chance to go to a bowl. Somehow you know something they dont.
May 23rd, 2011 at 2:58 PM
I was happy that Syracuse was average enough to GET to a bowl game last season.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:00 PM
How dare you talk about the Sugar Bowl that way!!!
/looks around for Spencer
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:00 PM
really strong post.
good stuff.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:01 PM
Thank you, ESPN, for inventing bowl games. Oh wait, bowl games have been around even much longer than the television was invented?
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:02 PM
There is no evidence that a play-off will increase fans traveling to those games
Isn’t it assumed that if there were a playoff in place that did not use the BCS bowls, the games would be played on the campus of the team with the higher seed/record/ranking? If the playoff system were to use the BCS Bowls, why would fans stop going? Those games are sold out as long as Connecticut isn’t playing.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:03 PM
i love when people write about topics they hate.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:03 PM
They do it for the once-in-a-lifetime chance to give the other team’s cheerleaders a donkey punch or walrus.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:03 PM
Actually they play them to get the extra 3 weeks of practice in December, where they give next years players more work than they can get during the season. A good December can make for a better September next year, but dont let that get in the way of your fairy tale.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:06 PM
(1) A few get toasted by Pasadena or Miami. (2) For every one of those there are kids missing class, missing Holidays with their families and bumming around hotels in Detroit, Memphis, Dallas, Jacksonville and Charlotte.
(1) +1 to Huffy Puffy Duffy
(2) to be fair, they stay in Ponte Vedra Beach at the hotel at Sawgrass, not in Jacksonville.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:06 PM
PAWWWLLL, did you hear what this damn yankee said about BEAR? bo schmelligator never lead his team to fourteen national championships* did he? i’ll hang up and listen, roll tah-de.
*alabama fan almanac
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:07 PM
This is an excellent point that seems lost on many of those who seem to hate the bowl system. Getting the extra practice is paramount for many teams.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:07 PM
LOL.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:07 PM
roll dayum tah-de.
Fixed.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:08 PM
Really, 7 ties? Or were you using that backward ass soccer system?
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:09 PM
FUCK
no more autoplay, plz.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:10 PM
Both dirty as hell too.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:11 PM
The pro-playoff contingent simply can’t fathom a sport where winning a national title isn’t the No. 1 goal, which is exactly the case in CFB. Teams go into the season with this check list: Win conference, beat rivals, deal with bowl game when it comes. It’s always been that way, but those who want a playoff are bothered by that, and they think if a playoff comes into play, it will be more like what they want to see.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:11 PM
he also never beat a General Robert Neyland-coached team.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:11 PM
Does anyone have a good BBQ recipe for horse?
/keep in mind it has been dead for a while
//and been repeatedly kicked
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:11 PM
and yet Bama fans still give themselves a national championship in each of those 4 seasons.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:12 PM
about as dirty as joe pa’s diaper.
then again, PSU fans needn’t concern themselves with legitimately historic programs. just keep thinking your amish apple-butter and horse carriage shoppe version of a football program is in the same air as those two though…it’s really funny.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:13 PM
so it’s tender eh? nothing worse than gamy horsemeat.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:13 PM
This doesn’t make sense. If I need to spend $1k to go to a bowl game, don’t you think the city of “whereever” would prefer I spent my money there attending the bowl game at hotels, restaurants, etc. versus say renovating my home.
For the national economy, yes, it may not make a difference. But I’d say it’s a big deal to the local economies.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:14 PM
They were unsold because the University didn’t sell them. They gave them to the band, faculty, staff. They ate $780k to make millions in the long run.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:14 PM
For whatever it’s worth, I’m running pretty close to a vanilla install of Chrome and none of the ads autoplay for me. Realize that’s not an option for everybody.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:15 PM
I made burgers with chuck, sirloin and chorizo as the meat in the patties last night. Threw 4 gloves of minced garlic in there, two diced jalapenos, some liquid smoke, an egg and some bread crumbs. Topped it with pepperjack cheese, avocado and roasted two peppers on the grill to cut up and put on there.
They were good.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:15 PM
I would also like to add that 30 minutes before kickoff, I had $2100 in my pocket and that wasn’t enough to buy a ticket to the game.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:15 PM
well obviously a michigan fan realizes this after having a decade’s worth of empty checklists.
who cares what casual fans want to see? it’s not like CFB is starving for their eyeballs…
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:16 PM
I dont even see a horse, I just see a red spot on the ground with duffy hovering over it stomping his feet.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:16 PM
Same here.
I am just wondering why TXN wants me to view their NFL draft preview video.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:17 PM
doesn’t. fit. narrative.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:18 PM
Crux of the whole argument, right here.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:18 PM
A decade not mean the same thing in Ohio that is does everywhere else?
/2003
/2004
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:19 PM
I’ve got Chrome, too. I also run a superstream player so I can listen to the radio while I’m on the net. The Men’s Warehouse ads manage to crash Firefox, Chrome, IE and Safari.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:19 PM
the rich get richer
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:20 PM
I agree, which is why I’m beginning to feel bad for the playoff people. They are fighting a battle in which they have no chance of winning if they want a true playoff. If a playoff actually comes about, the Boise/TCU’s of the world are still going to be screwed. And anyone who actually thinks the Wetzel plan is ever going to happen is delusional.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:20 PM
I made burgers with chuck, sirloin and chorizo as the meat in the patties last night. Threw 4 gloves of minced garlic in there, two diced jalapenos, some liquid smoke, an egg and some bread crumbs. Topped it with pepperjack cheese, avocado and roasted two peppers on the grill to cut up and put on there. SC
That sounds awesome. Minus the liquid smoke. Throw some damp hickory on your coals. I will try this recipe. God loves us because of pepperjack.
/ate a half block of pepperjack and burger for lunch.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:20 PM
I have my computer on mute. Haven’t noticed a single ad.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:20 PM
Broken record’d.
Whatever one might say about the rest of this article, this particular snippet may be the single most disingenuous thing you’ve ever writte. Auburn paid for those tickets for faculty, band, administration, etc. If you think Auburn had trouble selling tickets to the BCS game, you have lost your mind. There were Auburn fans willing to play 4 digits for those tickets.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:21 PM
And if they do, why do you begrudge them for this? More so, what does writing these posts do to advance your pro-playoff agenda if you’re merely affirming that ESPN (a television network designed to make money) is doing their job correctly by being extremely profitable?
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:21 PM
Don’t.Watch.The.Games
/it’s really that simple
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:22 PM
This should never be used under any circumstances. Period.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:22 PM
You do realize that networks (i.e. ESPN) provided appx. 76% of Disney’s operating profit last quarter? Disney has an obligation to their shareholders. If you have a problem complain to the shareholders about the increase in college football bowl games.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:22 PM
it’s a figure of speech, but go figure a michigan fan would claim a victory on a technicality while missing the bigger picture.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:22 PM
So ESPN makes money on ratings?
You say CFB playoffs would increase ratings?
But ESPN wouldn’t want to do this bc they would have to pay more for rights? Even though they’d be paying more to make more, potentially keeping their profit margin exactly where it is?
But they aren’t going to do this and the NCAA, presidents, coaches, AD’s, etc. are going to let them do this even though all the mentioned don’t benefit from bowl games?
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:23 PM
I’m here for the gangbang.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:23 PM
Yet you keep using the logic that a playoff will sell more tickets. Pick a side. Or, even better, get your facts correct. Amazing things happen then
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:23 PM
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:24 PM
See comment 36, 39.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:24 PM
If this were the 50′s I believe this blog would be flagged as harboring a communist agenda
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:24 PM
And anyone that thinks that the Wetzel plan is fairer and an improvement over the present system, is also delusional.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:26 PM
communist?
actually, a playoff is American …
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:26 PM
Well played.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:27 PM
I use it in my beef jerky and sometimes chili. But I agree that it should never be used with something on the grill.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:27 PM
the locals will do it!
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:28 PM
So are SG and TSH an item now?
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:28 PM
how, because it’s democratic?
bowls are free market, a playoff would be controlled by a single body.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:29 PM
Plenty of the criticism in the comments is valid. But I’m fairly confident that nowhere in the NCAA charter does it say “NCAA programs will be designed and modified for the express purpose of maximizing profits of unaffiliated corporations”.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:29 PM
Just a couple drops. Can’t even really tell the flavor with the three meats I used and the jalapenos anyways. I am going to use KC’s plan of hickory chips next time though. That sounds really good. Also need to get some new flavor bars for my grill. I replaced them about 3-4 years ago, looks like they’re starting to go again though.
This grill is like 18 years old but it still runs like a champ. The bars are about $35 to replace but it’s the only thing we’ve ever had to replace on it. I inherited it when I went to college and my parents bought a new one.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:29 PM
This is a country of have and have-nots…the CFB system pretty much embodies this
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:29 PM
So is the BCS. I argue the BCS has done as good or better of a job of declaring a true national champion than any other sport with a playoff.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:30 PM
A 7-9 Seahawks team hosting a playoff game and a 37-45 Pacers team getting in the playoffs over the 43-39 Rockets is about as American as it gets.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:30 PM
I would very much like to punt your kitten.
I will pummel your balls, mother fucker.
This could be a transcript from one of those speed dating deals….
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:31 PM
communist?
actually, a playoff is American …
TBL had to know this was going to be good for another 20 comments. You clever son of a bitch.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:31 PM
ESPN should try and make whatever it can out of its deal to broadcast games. But I think you get into trouble if/when the NCAA starts making policy to help them out.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:31 PM
Read the whole comment. I was talking about the television network, not the universities. Also, the NCAA doesn’t award the college football title. Dr. Pepper does.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:32 PM
You make your own jerky Triston? What kind of meat do you use?
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:33 PM
Laughing all the way to the bank.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:34 PM
I read the whole thing, friend. I’m not talking about BCS games, I’m talking about bowl proliferation.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:35 PM
that’s the only time I use it as well. helps relieve some of the gamey taste from venison.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:36 PM
tl, dr
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:36 PM
rich get richer
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:36 PM
When you have a partnership with a company to broadcast your games, why is making policy to help them a problem? Isn’t that why ESPN entered into the partnership? Isn’t that what a partnership is designed to do? To benefit both parties involved?
You, like TBL, are merely shouting into a vacuum hoping for the championship of a sport you don’t care about to be decided in a fashion that is pleasing to you despite not coming up with a plausible system to change the current methodology. You’ve never provided a plan that accurately outlines a system of…
You know what? Nevermind. It’s Monday, I’m not banging my head against my desk. Triston, tell me more about this jerky.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:37 PM
It also doesnt say “Athletic departments will be required to maximize revenue and are barred from losing money working towards intangible goals like student development and name recognition.”
At the end of the day Bowls are about getting the university name out there and providing a memorable trip for the team/band/cheerleaders/admins. Is it perfect, no, does it accomplish those simple goals, yes.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:38 PM
Missed this nugget. You hear that all the time in press conferences.
Coach, how excited are you to be playing the X Bowl game this year?
Not excited at all. We just felt we had to pay our dues to the ESPN overlords. That way ESPN won’t blackball us when we’re a top-10 team.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:38 PM
huh?
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:38 PM
It also doesnt say “Athletic departments will be required to maximize revenue and are barred from losing money working towards intangible goals like student development and name recognition.”
At the end of the day Bowls are about getting the university name out there and providing a memorable trip for the team/band/cheerleaders/admins. Is it perfect, no, does it accomplish those simple goals, yes.
Well said.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:39 PM
Damn I liked where you were going with that rant.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:39 PM
Where’s the Gold Cup roster post? A few surprises to be discussed.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:39 PM
ESPN is responsible for wrecking college sports. It’s what they do.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:40 PM
oh no…don’t be fooled. they’re just doing it for clicks and we’re just stupid enough to bray at it everytime it comes by.
kinda like the dog/mailman relationship, the BCS comes by at the same time everyday and occassionally, the mailman will do something just to get the asshole dog even more riled up. we’re the dog, TBL/duffy are the mailmen.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:41 PM
I know a friend who added fucking dark chocolate in her chili.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:41 PM
ive had venison chili with cacao in it. pretty dank, but the flavor is almost unnoticeable.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:41 PM
“Wait, wait, wait. So you’re saying that we would make more money with a college football playoff? Well I’ll be damned.”
/ Universities
/ Athletic Departments
/ NBC
/ CBS
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:42 PM
then again, it comes from the same sources that say the MLB is in dire financial straits while the NBA is healthy as an ox…
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:43 PM
I hate college football at this site.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:43 PM
I’ve had nice chocolate with chili flavoring. Wasn’t really a fan.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:44 PM
/bites into apple
//talks with mouth full
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:45 PM
Yikes, SC. I think somehow your baseball discussions are less annoying than this.
I don’t disagree with this. I don’t hate the bowl system. And I think the Wetzel plan is goofy.
But yeah, it’s not perfect. And to the extent there are problems, it’s not wrong to ask questions. Especially if private individuals or corporations are making boatloads of money in the process.
I think Duffy’s writing style lends itself to people immediately going ballistic, and I think a whole bunch of the CFB commenters here (while very knowledgeable) easily fall into that trap.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:45 PM
Except SC, I mean.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:47 PM
to be fair, i usually go on the defensive when someone who doesn’t care and doesn’t watch starts shitting on stuff i love with a passion.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:47 PM
Understandable. I think it’s been established we all appreciate you angry, anyway.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:48 PM
Actually, I think they’ve presented many plausible systems but you jokers throw out bullshit rebuttals like “logistics” to discredit their ideas because you are creatures of habit and despise change.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:49 PM
team angry Spencer right here.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:49 PM
Add a cinnamon stick to a pot of chili. It does magical things.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:51 PM
Actually, I think they’ve presented many plausible systems but you jokers throw out bullshit rebuttals like “logistics” to discredit their ideas because you are creatures of habit and despise change.
/swoon.
//they haven’t all been plausible.
///but yes logistics is a retarded argument.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:51 PM
Angry ALL CAPS SportsGal is superior to Angry Spencer Dick.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:51 PM
Right there with you.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:51 PM
You’re a pretentious fuck.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:52 PM
because every model is equally as flawed as the current model.
christ almighty…stop being so entitled. you don’t even give a shit about CFB.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:52 PM
SG bringing the heat.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:52 PM
You think things happen in life because of magic? Thinking out the logistics of a situation is what planning is and if their are flaws they should be pointed out
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:53 PM
enough’s enough with “spencer dick.”
not especially funny anymore.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:53 PM
team angry Spencer right here.
seconded
Add a cinnamon stick to a pot of chili. It does magical things.
I like my chili asshole burning hot, with about 4 different hot sauces. I won’t even add carrots, or anything that will add noticeable sweetness but MAY try the cinnamon next time.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:53 PM
In terms of realistic Xs and Os, I’ll leave that to much more knowledgeable people.
In terms of approaching an argument, TBL and Duffy’s major gaffe is making this a right/wrong issue and immediately alienating half the people that comment here.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:53 PM
To be fair, some of us have presented far more than just “logistics” to argue against their specious proposals.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:53 PM
Show me. I’ll wait. You have no idea what you’re talking about. The only thing you’ve ever fought for passionately regarding college football is CMU because it’s your alma mater. Step aside, please.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:54 PM
I say it once a month. And I capitalize both names, so what you have in quotes there is inaccurate anyway.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:54 PM
While I don’t think I get ballistic, I do get frustrated reading these posts. I think Duffy writes some really, really good stuff, but CFB is not a strong area. With all of the money BigLeadSports FSV pulls in (based on last week’s humblebrag) I would think TBL could go get a Lisk-like author for his CFB stuff and let Duffy do baseball, soccer and other stuff.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:54 PM
We’re going round and round
We’re never gonna stop
Going round and round
We’ll never get where
We are going
/don’t know enough about the intricacies of college football to make an educated comment
//did enjoy my trip to a BCS game last January though
///also enjoy the fireworks every post like this causes
Round and round
Well your gonna miss me
Cause im getting dizzy
Going round and round
Round and round
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:55 PM
My favorite is angry sportsgal taking on angry spencer.. everyone wins
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:55 PM
I got jalapenos on my sub today and I’ve been farting in my office all afternoon.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:55 PM
You’d be a lot more engaging if you didn’t approach this as right/wrong or annoying sportsdork.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:56 PM
Damn. Of all my comments to fuck up, it had to be the one with Selena Gomez lyrics.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:56 PM
So far it’s just been beef, but I want to try it with game meat. Made some over the weekend that came out pretty good. Gonna try making a different recipe next time.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:57 PM
My favorite is angry sportsgal taking on angry spencer.. everyone wins
YES!
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:57 PM
It happens to all of us at some point, especially if we’ve been here for while. I’m pretty sick of “being wrong” all the time.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:58 PM
Tee hee!
There isn’t a single one of you knows anything about how universities run the “logistics” of student athletes. They figured out a way to make the system work the way it is now, you don’t think it’s possible to figure out how to make it work with a playoff? I think many of the logistics arguments have been rebutted with reasonable solutions.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:58 PM
I like my chili asshole burning hot, with about 4 different hot sauces. I won’t even add carrots, or anything that will add noticeable sweetness but MAY try the cinnamon next time.
Who the hell puts carrots in chili? Chili is meat, tomato, spices and MAYBE beans. That’s it.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:58 PM
Let me know if you ever try venison or bison. I’d be interested in how they turn out. Had a buddy that used to make venison jerky at home. It was really good. Geez has told me about some bison jerky up in Alberta. I ordered some the other day and had it shipped here. Very curious to try it.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:59 PM
The tone of the comments right now reminds me of Red’s emotional, reflective line of “I guess I just miss my friend.”
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:59 PM
I’m Team Playoff but I fully acknowledge the faults it may have. There’s no perfect system. I just think a playoff would be fairer and a hell of a lot more exciting for the fans.
May 23rd, 2011 at 3:59 PM
With all of the money BigLeadSports FSV pulls in (based on last week’s humblebrag) I would think TBL could go get a Lisk-like author for his CFB stuff and let Duffy do baseball, soccer and other stuff.
I’d actually like it if baseball took a restraining order out on Duffy.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:00 PM
I’m with you man, but let’s be real… Lisks don’t grow on trees. Finding another would be a monumental task.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:00 PM
Jesus Christ, Jeter was a youngin’ when this shot was taken.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:01 PM
The internet has defeated me today
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:01 PM
but if it’s going to be a major pain in the ass for a benefit that’s really not all that much better, what’s the fucking point?
yes, lets waste more money in fucking meetings and planning and bullshit over a system that’s more hype than substance.
college football is a beauty pageant and the winners are treated in the same way as miss american winners…enjoy it for what it is and stop wasting time hating on it if you don’t. lives and livelihoods are not in danger here.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:03 PM
Those of us that are in favor of keeping the BCS definitely agree with this sentiment. We’ve tried to make that clear. Just don’t think any of us seeing the plan for one that meshes with FBS schools coming out of the staff that works here because they don’t have the resources or access to do so.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:03 PM
I’ve done quite a bit of venison jerky, it’s damn good. you have to watch how long you keep it in the dehydrator as (at least the times I have made it) there seems to be a delicate balance between over and under cooked, but all in all it is quite tasty.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:04 PM
Looks like the baseball card they superimposed me on when I went to White Sox fest in 1992.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:05 PM
wow.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:05 PM
I like corn in my chili sometimes. Never had carrots though. Scallions on top too, please. Oh, and some sour cream and cheese.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:06 PM
I’d love to use bison but I’d be worried about messing things up. Need to find a market that offers it at a decent price.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:07 PM
uh oh.
I personally know a minimum of two CFB superfans that are really good and insightful writers that would probably jump at the chance to write CFB here. yet, Duffy has replaced BeelzeBOB.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:07 PM
It happens to all of us at some point, especially if we’ve been here for while. I’m pretty sick of “being wrong” all the time.
and i still keep ;;;;’ on
/hmmmm, just thought of a new name!
jerky guys, and sc….does the meat no matter how strange matter that much? maybe if you added no flavoring. sc, try Ream’s Market for strnge meats and award-winning sausage
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:08 PM
You could say the EXACT SAME THING about the BCS. Millions of college football fans bitch about the BCS, meetings are held, plans are made yada yada yada. Now someone comes up with a fucking idea and you shit on it because you think your college football “passion” entitles you to that right. Fuck your self-righteous bullshit.
But you’re still my zombie-pocalypse buddy.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:10 PM
My parents buy all their brats from there. I’ve had the jerky, it’s really good but it’s ‘spenive. They consistently win blue ribbons at the IL state fair for the brats. When I was still in school in Iowa I introduced them to the farm boys that I tailgated with. Afterwards, they wouldn’t grill a brat that wasn’t Ream’s.
We actually contemplated forming a meat cartel to take over the state of Iowa’s bratwurst suppliers. Alas, we couldn’t get the logistics worked out. FULL CIRCLE, BABY!
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:11 PM
We also got our Christmas Ham from Ream’s last year. Holy hell was that thing amazing. I have a picture in my phone of the big bastard on the grill. First time we ever tried a grilled ham but it was damn good.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:12 PM
Yeah but can they write the same anti-bowl pro-playoff article every day with slight variations? Can they avoid any and all analysis about actual football played on the field? If not then we’ll pass.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:12 PM
The recipe usually matters more than the meat does.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:12 PM
THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:13 PM
RE: all the jerky discussions – I love this place: http://www.venisonworld.com/default.asp
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:13 PM
I like corn in my chili sometimes. Never had carrots though. Scallions on top too, please. Oh, and some sour cream and cheese.
If there’s a vegatble in it other than tomato or perhaps onion and garlic, then it’s not chili. you’ve made something else entirely.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:14 PM
vegatble? What the hell?
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:15 PM
Where is the idea? It must have been in a different post.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:15 PM
If there’s a vegatble in it other than tomato or perhaps onion and garlic, then it’s not chili. you’ve made something else entirely.
porridge
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:15 PM
I could have written these words. I take back everything. I’m so sorry.
/chili is my weak spot
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:16 PM
corn in my chili?
if i may…..ewwwww
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:16 PM
The cinnamon opens up the rest of the spices and doesn’t diminish the heat at all. You can make it hot enough to walk in your mouth and march out your asshole 20 seconds later, still, it will just be tastier.
/team cinnamon in chili
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:16 PM
I have never bookmarked something so quickly.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:16 PM
Maybe something that actually tastes good.
/chili sucks
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:17 PM
His passion and his ability to see through bullshit.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:19 PM
Thanks for that link, ritty. Just made an order.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:19 PM
I’d recommend calling those guys before you buy anything from them on the interwebs. I stop there when I go down to Austin. Usually stop on the way back, too.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:20 PM
So you’re team bean-less chili? I back your cause, kind sir.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:21 PM
You’re all chili racists, too. Still making corn drink from other fountains and carrots ride on the back of the bus.
WE’RE LIVING IN A SOCIETY HERE! THERE IS NO MORE SEGREGATION!
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:24 PM
/team cinnamon in chili
Gerard, I just read this morning that Flying Dog relocated to Maryland in 2008. I was shocked and saddened to read that. I feel like it’s a completely different brewery now…
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:24 PM
Maybe something that actually tastes good.
/chili sucks
Someone give coop some white zinfandel so he’ll be happy.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:26 PM
Wow. I don’t know if I’ve ever heard someone say this before. Have you had it often? Have you had chicken chili?
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:28 PM
half of me wants my wife to get that job in austin for her happiness and self esteem. the other half is for my bbq and music pleasure
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:30 PM
Ms–yeah, that was a blow. I actually haven’t had them since then. Bastards. Stranahan’s uses Oskar Blues’s barrels and leavings now…
In other beer news, New Belgium is opening a brewery on the east coast, which might make the Fat Tire enthusiasts on this blog happy.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:32 PM
I’ve never been a fan of the chili seasoning, it just overpowers everything. Heat isnt flavor.
I’m sure if I made it myself a few times I could find a decent recipe, but the wife also hates chili. If I’m cooking a big pot/cut of meat (fairly often) theres waaaayyy better options than chili.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:32 PM
Ms–yeah, that was a blow. I actually haven’t had them since then. Bastards. Stranahan’s uses Oskar Blues’s barrels and leavings now…
I’m glad Stranahan’s has been able to adapt. I wish they’d up their production a bit though so their price would come down. That will come with time I suppose.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:34 PM
I put red and yellow peppers in my chili and it is quite delightful.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:35 PM
I put red and yellow peppers in my chili and it is quite delightful.
If you dice them up finely, then I can accept this. But if you just put them in chunks, then no thanks.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:38 PM
I imagine, yeah. The bar next to the distillery lets you buy a bottle and store it there for whenever you come in–my brother-in-law bought one for the two of us to share, and good gravy. Delicious but expensive. And now, gone.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:38 PM
Segregation supporter.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:43 PM
if we always got along, life wouldn’t be as fun.
/high five
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:47 PM
Segregation supporter.
Oh shut up. You don’t even eat chili. You eat porridge.
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:57 PM
I have a killer recipe for a roasted poblano, white bean chicken chili. No chili powder at all. It’s heavy as fuck (cream based) but it’s delicious.
May 23rd, 2011 at 5:00 PM
Beans are the Devil’s mush
May 23rd, 2011 at 5:52 PM
Beans aren’t vegetables. They’re legumes.
May 23rd, 2011 at 8:55 PM
great post. espn sucks. they have gotten so far away from their original mission.
May 24th, 2011 at 9:35 AM
but there is one positive about espn. they through great parties and it’s a great place to get it on with a co-worker. maybe they are too busy having fun to realize how much they have effed up the ncaa.
May 24th, 2011 at 9:35 AM
throw great parties.
May 24th, 2011 at 10:18 AM
For more on this, read “Death To The BCS” which is a fantastic book.
May 24th, 2011 at 3:42 PM
Bingo! College Football has never been about the postseason or a playoff. Nor should it be.
May 24th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
Exactly.