Young QB Similarities: Josh Freeman Might Be Pretty Good; Jury Still Out on Sanchez & Bradford
Last year, Vince Verhei of Football Outsiders created a stir when he compared Mark Sanchez to JaMarcus Russell just prior to the conference championship game. Our site’s fearless leader disagreed. My opinion was that I would not have compared a true rookie to a player with a year of experience in the league, and when I do comparisons, I try to keep rookies separate from second-year players.
I’m going to jump in and do some comparisons based on past seasons of the young quarterbacks who threw at least 150 passes and were in their first two seasons in the league: second year quarterbacks Josh Freeman and Mark Sanchez, and rookies Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, and Jimmy Clausen. I’m not telling you that my methodology is perfect. Whatever inputs and weights you put into the formula determines what you get out. I will tell you that I did not design this to achieve any particular result in regard to a specific player. I wanted to look at not only the overall result for other quarterbacks, but also the style. Last year, I wrote about passer personality types, where I compared the statistical performance in the passer categories, to see if a player tended to do better at completing passes than throwing for lots of yards, or avoid sacks at the expense of risking interceptions and completion percentage.
Feel free to skip down a few paragraphs to where I start talking about the particular players if you don’t want to see the nuts and bolts of how I got there; it’s okay. For the rest that want to see behind the curtain, here you go. To come up with my similar players, I used the YPA+, COMP+, TD+, INT+, and SACK+ rating available for each player at pro-football-reference.com, which is explained here, and is based on the same principal as OPS+ or ERA+ in baseball. Basically, the player’s raw rate stats are converted to a number to compare to league average, with a score of “100″ in a category representing league average. The overall similarity score was determined by subtracting:
- the difference in number of pass attempts between the subject player and other seasons;
- the difference in those five rate categories (YPA+, COMP+, TD+, INT+, and SACK+), by dividing the difference by 2, then squaring that number. My purpose in squaring a number was to destroy similarity when players were vastly dissimilar in a particular category;
- the difference in the four personality category types (Bomber/Completer, Fun/Safe, Yard Eater/Vulture, Gambler/Holder), by dividing the difference by 2, then squaring that number;
- the difference in overall Adjusted Net Yards Per Attempt (ANYA+), divided by 2, then squared. I then multiplied this number by 10 so that the overall quality was weighted far heavily than any other specific category. I didn’t want a highly efficient checkdown guy who was well above league average to be compared to Charlie Frye;
- the age difference in years, multiplied by 100.
I list the similarity score for you for the ten most similar players, as well as the advanced score in each basic category, so you can see where there were similarities and differences. I only compared true rookies like Bradford to other rookies, and Freeman and Sanchez to second year players.
JOSH FREEMAN, AGE 22, 2nd year in league
| Sim Score | Player | Year | Age | Passes | ANYA+ | COMP+ | YPA+ | TD+ | INT+ | SACK+ | |
| 1000 | Josh Freeman | 2010 | 22 | 474 | 114 | 102 | 105 | 112 | 122 | 104 | |
| 574 | Michael Vick | 2002 | 22 | 421 | 110 | 85 | 106 | 98 | 122 | 94 | |
| 465 | Jay Cutler | 2007 | 24 | 467 | 110 | 110 | 112 | 103 | 100 | 104 | |
| 436 | Brett Favre | 1992 | 23 | 471 | 106 | 121 | 101 | 102 | 111 | 102 | |
| 427 | Kerry Collins | 1996 | 24 | 364 | 109 | 95 | 101 | 99 | 111 | 112 | |
| 423 | Joe Flacco | 2009 | 24 | 499 | 105 | 107 | 105 | 101 | 108 | 95 | |
| 289 | Boomer Esiason | 1985 | 24 | 431 | 124 | 109 | 120 | 125 | 117 | 107 | |
| 270 | Peyton Manning | 1999 | 23 | 533 | 120 | 118 | 116 | 109 | 107 | 126 | |
| 263 | Byron Leftwich | 2004 | 24 | 441 | 104 | 104 | 97 | 92 | 116 | 109 | |
| 249 | Bernie Kosar | 1986 | 23 | 531 | 115 | 112 | 106 | 89 | 130 | 106 | |
| 146 | John Elway | 1984 | 24 | 380 | 104 | 101 | 94 | 106 | 103 | 113 | |
The only players to be above average in every passing component in their second year in league, age 23 or younger: Dan Marino, Steve McNair, Peyton Manning, Brett Favre . . . and Josh Freeman. Freeman is the only one that was 22.
What’s there to say? Well, he’s younger than Sam Bradford, and has already put up a well above average season. The comparables aren’t all that comparable because they were all older. The fact that he is similar but better than Collins, Flacco, Leftwich and Elway while being two years younger is a positive. Bucs fans may have thought I was negative about their team this year, because they were winning close games against bad teams, but that doesn’t mean I’m not excited about the future. All aboard the Freeman train.
MARK SANCHEZ, AGE 24, 2nd year in league
| Sim Score | Player | Year | Age | Passes | ANYA+ | COMP+ | YPA+ | TD+ | INT+ | SACK+ | |
| 1000 | Mark Sanchez | 2010 | 24 | 507 | 96 | 80 | 91 | 90 | 106 | 108 | |
| 794 | Tony Banks | 1997 | 24 | 487 | 97 | 81 | 99 | 88 | 108 | 93 | |
| 699 | Tyler Thigpen | 2008 | 24 | 420 | 94 | 79 | 86 | 102 | 102 | 101 | |
| 698 | Brian Griese | 1999 | 24 | 452 | 100 | 101 | 99 | 91 | 103 | 108 | |
| 689 | John Friesz | 1991 | 24 | 487 | 90 | 88 | 79 | 83 | 108 | 107 | |
| 680 | Eli Manning | 2005 | 24 | 557 | 102 | 77 | 97 | 103 | 102 | 112 | |
| 633 | David Woodley | 1981 | 23 | 366 | 101 | 88 | 94 | 89 | 111 | 106 | |
| 617 | Jim Everett | 1987 | 24 | 302 | 97 | 96 | 97 | 91 | 95 | 112 | |
| 607 | Gus Frerotte | 1995 | 24 | 396 | 100 | 74 | 105 | 92 | 98 | 104 | |
| 585 | Chad Henne | 2009 | 24 | 451 | 90 | 99 | 89 | 82 | 98 | 104 | |
| 577 | Billy Joe Tolliver | 1990 | 24 | 410 | 93 | 86 | 84 | 99 | 96 | 116 | |
These numbers don’t include the playoffs, where Sanchez has seen his yards per attempt and completion percentage rise relative to his regular season numbers. I don’t want to discount that, as he has shown flashes of playing well. The issue for Sanchez and his long term prognosis is completion percentage. He is prone to streakiness where he misses plays that need to be made. The top comp, Banks, was very similar statistically except for one key category-sack avoidance. That’s a positive for Sanchez. The two best players on this list, Eli Manning and Jim Everett, were also good at avoiding sacks at a young age.
SAM BRADFORD, AGE 23, rookie
| Sim Score | Player | Year | Age | Passes | ANYA+ | COMP+ | YPA+ | TD+ | INT+ | SACK+ | |
| 1000 | Sam Bradford | 2010 | 23 | 590 | 89 | 97 | 81 | 86 | 106 | 105 | |
| 651 | Rick Mirer | 1993 | 23 | 486 | 83 | 95 | 82 | 83 | 98 | 87 | |
| 398 | Joe Flacco | 2008 | 23 | 428 | 96 | 97 | 100 | 91 | 103 | 93 | |
| 395 | Jim Zorn | 1976 | 23 | 439 | 91 | 87 | 88 | 87 | 91 | 118 | |
| 390 | Trent Edwards | 2007 | 24 | 269 | 89 | 84 | 83 | 84 | 101 | 112 | |
| 383 | Kelly Stouffer | 1988 | 24 | 173 | 89 | 105 | 87 | 80 | 106 | 101 | |
| 325 | Mike Pagel | 1982 | 22 | 221 | 87 | 82 | 75 | 78 | 115 | 104 | |
| 258 | Steve Walsh | 1989 | 23 | 219 | 88 | 82 | 84 | 79 | 95 | 115 | |
| 250 | Matt Leinart | 2006 | 23 | 377 | 97 | 88 | 98 | 88 | 99 | 107 | |
| 205 | Bruce Gradkowski | 2006 | 23 | 328 | 78 | 79 | 65 | 86 | 106 | 96 | |
| 108 | Chris Chandler | 1988 | 23 | 233 | 90 | 101 | 99 | 92 | 83 | 100 | |
Only 2 guys threw 500 passes as a rookie, Peyton Manning and Bradford. Manning did it differently, though, with a much better yards per attempt, touchdown rate, and sack rate, and significantly worse interception rate (which is why he doesn’t show anywhere on this list). Mirer is third in attempts for a rookie, and shows up most similar to Bradford, in fact, as the only one with a score over 500.
I know that the national dialogue has been universally in praise of Bradford. I also know that his supporting cast at receiver stunk (in fact, I’m adding to my to do list examining how his group may compare to other rookie starters). I wouldn’t look at this list and say he is going to be a bust, because we truly have very few really similar seasons. His sack rate was much better than Mirer (and improved as the season progressed), and I’m the guy who says you have to look at sack rate in evaluating quarterbacks. I think it shows ability to process information quickly and recognize what the defense is bringing at you.
No, instead, I would look at this list and say let’s not get ahead of ourselves, build this guy up, only to break him down if he is decent, but doesn’t meet our most lofty of expectations. Let’s see what he does when the receivers do improve before we anoint him.
COLT MCCOY, Age 23, rookie
| Sim Score | Player | Year | Age | Passes | ANYA+ | COMP+ | YPA+ | TD+ | INT+ | SACK+ | |
| 1000 | Colt McCoy | 2010 | 23 | 222 | 89 | 100 | 102 | 82 | 86 | 75 | |
| 756 | Rodney Peete | 1989 | 23 | 195 | 92 | 91 | 112 | 82 | 89 | 66 | |
| 708 | John Reaves | 1972 | 22 | 224 | 89 | 90 | 101 | 89 | 101 | 67 | |
| 580 | Dennis Shaw | 1970 | 23 | 321 | 97 | 112 | 118 | 87 | 92 | 81 | |
| 543 | Chris Chandler | 1988 | 23 | 233 | 90 | 101 | 99 | 92 | 83 | 100 | |
| 418 | Joe Flacco | 2008 | 23 | 428 | 96 | 97 | 100 | 91 | 103 | 93 | |
| 388 | Ken O’Brien | 1984 | 24 | 203 | 96 | 103 | 96 | 86 | 110 | 91 | |
| 320 | Tony Banks | 1996 | 23 | 368 | 88 | 80 | 105 | 102 | 85 | 69 | |
| 319 | Charlie Frye | 2005 | 24 | 164 | 82 | 100 | 86 | 81 | 102 | 67 | |
| 302 | Tim Couch | 1999 | 22 | 399 | 86 | 94 | 89 | 97 | 100 | 69 | |
| 297 | Tom Hodson | 1990 | 23 | 156 | 81 | 93 | 82 | 84 | 106 | 73 | |
Remember how I talked about sack rate? Well, Colt McCoy’s sack rate is a concern despite his impressive performance in yards per attempt for a rookie. The three guys who also had a good YPA and a bad sack rate as rookies aren’t exactly a riveting bunch, with Peete being the best of the group. I think the Browns should start McCoy over the other QB’s currently on the roster, but I wouldn’t hesitate to create additional competition at the position.
JIMMY CLAUSEN, Age 23, rookie
| Sim Score | Player | Year | Age | Passes | ANYA+ | COMP+ | YPA+ | TD+ | INT+ | SACK+ | |
| 1000 | Jimmy Clausen | 2010 | 23 | 299 | 70 | 73 | 68 | 62 | 100 | 70 | |
| 551 | Akili Smith | 1999 | 24 | 153 | 72 | 81 | 75 | 72 | 91 | 77 | |
| 373 | David Carr | 2002 | 23 | 444 | 69 | 76 | 81 | 72 | 97 | 44 | |
| 367 | Steve Fuller | 1979 | 22 | 270 | 69 | 98 | 70 | 76 | 95 | 69 | |
| 286 | Neil Lomax | 1981 | 22 | 236 | 79 | 82 | 93 | 69 | 102 | 70 | |
| 200 | Andrew Walter | 2006 | 24 | 276 | 68 | 76 | 85 | 67 | 75 | 50 | |
| 179 | Kyle Orton | 2005 | 23 | 368 | 74 | 73 | 69 | 81 | 93 | 95 | |
| 159 | Tom Hodson | 1990 | 23 | 156 | 81 | 93 | 82 | 84 | 106 | 73 | |
| 140 | Richard Todd | 1976 | 23 | 162 | 68 | 66 | 80 | 79 | 79 | 64 | |
| 94 | Bruce Gradkowski | 2006 | 23 | 328 | 78 | 79 | 65 | 86 | 106 | 96 | |
| 43 | Jeff Komlo | 1979 | 23 | 368 | 73 | 84 | 83 | 85 | 82 | 84 | |
Not much went well for Clausen as a rookie, as the only thing he did reasonably well was avoid interceptions, which is not the most predictive thing for future success. He held the ball and took sacks at a very high rate, didn’t make plays downfield, and had difficulty even handling snaps at times. I know the conventional wisdom is that rookies get a pass, but I don’t think that’s actually always true. Lomax is a notable name, but he was much, much better at yards per attempt as a rookie. Orton was much better at avoiding sacks. Richard Todd, he was bad across the board, and became a solid starter in the middle of his career.
Clausen’s case isn’t hopeless, but I also wouldn’t rely on him without creating competition next season if I were in charge in Carolina. You would have to convince me that the offensive unit around him was historically bad, for me to believe that he is the solution rather than part of the problem as to why they are selecting first overall in the upcoming draft.
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January 18th, 2011 at 3:18 PM
They’re doing another Joyce story on OTL? I like Amy K, but I think we get the point already.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:20 PM
jesus, you do incredible work lisk.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:20 PM
Good post, even if I’m too stupid to understand most of it.
I hope your getting paid by the word
January 18th, 2011 at 3:21 PM
But how many games did they start in college?
/fearless leader’d
January 18th, 2011 at 3:21 PM
As usual, Lisk with another excellent post.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:22 PM
Clauson I have no hope for because how many rookie QBs last went their teammates openly criticize then.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:22 PM
Great work Lisk, as per usual.
/Bernie Lomax > Neil Lomax
January 18th, 2011 at 3:22 PM
I hope the 49ers re-sign Alex Smith.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:22 PM
I swear I’m trying to “get” this. I honestly wish I really did. This is why I’m not going to be a math teacher I guess.
/sad panda
//but not deadly panda
January 18th, 2011 at 3:23 PM
It looks like the sack column got cut off, I’ll have to see if I can fix that
January 18th, 2011 at 3:25 PM
Waiting on a conference call @ 330 for bloggers with NFLPA and Kevin mawae, any questions?
January 18th, 2011 at 3:26 PM
Really enjoyed this. Poor Jimmy Clausen.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:26 PM
Ya…he just needs a chance.
/laughing panda
January 18th, 2011 at 3:26 PM
I’ve got a question for him, Lisk. What difference does it make if I sign that stupid petition about the lockout?
January 18th, 2011 at 3:26 PM
No Stafford?
/small sample size
January 18th, 2011 at 3:26 PM
I like comparing Sanchez to Tony Banks & John Friesz
January 18th, 2011 at 3:28 PM
I think he played QB for the Lions and was terrible. One of many to be in that illustrious group.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:28 PM
This.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:28 PM
if you sent your data to me like I suggested a long time back, I’d make you some sweet ass tables that could be enlarged.
but, nooooooooooooo.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:29 PM
Great read Lisk! Thanks for putting in the work to deliver this to us.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:29 PM
But at least we had Rodney Peete.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:29 PM
Hey Booinnneee!!!!
/better than evah
January 18th, 2011 at 3:29 PM
Waiting on a conference call @ 330 for bloggers with NFLPA and Kevin mawae, any questions?
Ask him if he saw what a lockout/work stoppage did to the NBA/NHL.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:30 PM
At least as a backup. He was playing well by the end of last season. And he showed some guts at times.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:30 PM
Does the union see any problem with contracting the Vikings? I’ll hang up and listen to your answer
January 18th, 2011 at 3:30 PM
MLB
January 18th, 2011 at 3:31 PM
ask him about the collusion charge
January 18th, 2011 at 3:32 PM
I’d be curious to see how rookie numbers for guys like Elway and such would stack up in this chart…I’d guess Peyton would still have been lumped with the all-time greats
January 18th, 2011 at 3:32 PM
Which issue are players most willing to compromise on? 18 game schedule? 60/40 pay split? guaranteed contracts?
The only thing everybody seems to agree on is rookie salary scale. Nobody is getting anywhere without some sort of compromise.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:33 PM
Lisk, great article as usual. I’m wondering if you could do an analysis of CFB to determine a champion if they ever had a playoff game. For example, if you were to do an analysis of TCU vs Auburn playing the week or 2 after the BCS Championship game, taking into account how they played in their last game, injuries, offensive YPG, defensive yards allowed, points, etc. On paper, this would be pretty close to determining a true national champion.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:35 PM
ask him about the collusion charge
Yeah, that’s something that got squashed in the press it seemed like. Pretty awful stuff that the players union is (allegedly) colluding against the players. Even if “it’s in the past” it’s a very recent past
January 18th, 2011 at 3:36 PM
I still think Clausen should get extra points for being mentally retarded.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:37 PM
look! a chick just ducked into the men’s bathroom!
/drops cyanide pill in devang’s Zima
January 18th, 2011 at 3:38 PM
I realize the chance of getting a straight answer on that question is zero, but I’d still like to see the bullshit they put out so I can compare it to the vomit the owners throw up. Like PK said, nothing about this agreement will ever see a newspaper, the dirty work will happen behind closed doors.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:39 PM
Thus adding credence to the “big players make big plays” theory.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:40 PM
love this fucking post. so good.
Great job, Lisk
January 18th, 2011 at 3:40 PM
Shit, yes.
Have the owners responded positively in any way to the proposed additional credits to owners for investments in things like stadium improvements?
January 18th, 2011 at 3:41 PM
7 TDs and 3 INTs, baby!
(5 game sample size’d)
January 18th, 2011 at 3:41 PM
if you sent your data to me like I suggested a long time back, I’d make you some sweet ass tables that could be enlarged.
but, nooooooooooooo.
maybe I’ll have to get in touch.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:41 PM
I believe it’s actually “great players make great plays” as coined by Joe Theismann.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:42 PM
I hope they draft Aaron Rodgers
/2005′d
Someone is getting a raise.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:42 PM
not sure what happened, may just be a size thing
/that’s what she said?
January 18th, 2011 at 3:42 PM
Joe Theismann said this, for shame sir
January 18th, 2011 at 3:43 PM
+1
January 18th, 2011 at 3:43 PM
The Jumbo Elliot theory?
January 18th, 2011 at 3:43 PM
I say this whenever I get a chance to people who criticize Bradford, but his two leading receivers this year (Danny Amendola and Brandon Gibson) were both Eagles practice squad players who had no shot making that team when they were there.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:43 PM
Seriously, Freeman > Sanchez.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:45 PM
BOOOOO!!
January 18th, 2011 at 3:45 PM
I wouldn’t hold out much hope for the creedence.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:45 PM
I believe it’s actually “great players make great cock” as coined by Joe Theismann.
/fixed for hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
January 18th, 2011 at 3:46 PM
Cousin Sal has forever made Jaaash Freeman awesome to me
January 18th, 2011 at 3:46 PM
look! a chick just ducked into the men’s bathroom!
/drops cyanide pill in devang’s Zima
RShit it probably tastes better than the MD 20/20 you drink.
Do you have kids? If this wasn’t a family place, I wouldn’t give a shit.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:47 PM
Fucking typo.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:48 PM
I got to see Freeman a lot this season. I know the stats, and I see this post (good job btw), and I’m telling you that the guy just has it. He looks so effortless out there and almost always makes the big passes.
/cliche’d
//but true
January 18th, 2011 at 3:48 PM
I say this whenever I get a chance to people who criticize Bradford, but his two leading receivers this year (Danny Amendola and Brandon Gibson) were both Eagles practice squad players who had no shot making that team when they were there.
This probably does not get mentioned enough. Bradford had a good rookie year in spite of his supporting cast. Not because of it.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:48 PM
Starting to finally put the Pats’ win behind me and looking at the Steelers game. Another AFC title game.
For Rex.
And Sanchez.
let’s go!
January 18th, 2011 at 3:49 PM
Great post… could use an internal control.
If the point is compare a young QB to the starts of other QBs’ careers, to project career trajectory. I’d be more interested if it’s even valid to make comparisons across QB ‘generations’. A 4,000-yard passer was a big deal 15-20 years ago. Now a 4,000 yard passer is Matt Schaub. If you went back even further, you could probably take Tony Romo’s career and it’d be about equal to (probably better than) Johnny Unitas’ career.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:50 PM
this is a family place?
well shit me sideways.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:50 PM
Probably something to do with playing the Steelers and Ravens each twice.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:50 PM
And with that said about Bradford. The Freeman stuff is definitely eye opening. It looks like they have another winning raffle ticket with Mike Williams, too.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:51 PM
I think Lisk was implying that Claussen is a fag.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:52 PM
*Uh, yeah, I totally meant McCoy is a fag.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:53 PM
The more I think about comparing it to league average, I guess it probably doesn’t matter… but, something about it seems off to me still.
/Back to the stat cave
January 18th, 2011 at 3:53 PM
For comparison, here’s how the FO guys ranked the QB’s by DVOA.
Freeman (20.5, 9th in league)
McCoy (3.7, 26th)
Sanchez (1.7, 27th)
Bradford (-9.1, 34th)
Clausen (-41,0, 44th)
January 18th, 2011 at 3:53 PM
Hooters told me and some friends that they are a family establishment.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:53 PM
that wouldn’t be as big of a problem if john st. clair wasn’t the RT during all those games.
/he’s the worst OL starter in the league that ive seen
//calling him a turnstile is being too nice
January 18th, 2011 at 3:54 PM
We hate kids.
/Team SGJCK
January 18th, 2011 at 3:55 PM
This.
But we love dogs!
January 18th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
dogs > children
January 18th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
so if vick had been guilty of running a kid-fighting ring, everything woulda been cool here?
January 18th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
All of that right there.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
If you went back even further, you could probably take Tony Romo’s career and it’d be about equal to (probably better than) Johnny Unitas’ career.
I think your point got muddled somewhere along the way. Do you mean to say that statistics would paint this picture?
January 18th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
well shit me sideways.
Not even sure WTF this even means.
We hate kids.
/Team SGJCK
Ah yes, I forgot about that part.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
Agreed that the Big XII is producing the cream of the crop for QBs. Nice confirmation, Lisk.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
/checks own moral code
Yep.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
I can confirm this. Why did you guys sign him?
January 18th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
of course!
January 18th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
dogs > people
January 18th, 2011 at 3:59 PM
I think the kids argument is about as useful as the my city is better than your city argument.
Unfortunately, I participate in both
January 18th, 2011 at 3:59 PM
because we’re the browns.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
I feel like going to the pet store to look at puppies now.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
full disclosure, i once got in trouble for matching up a fight between two little kids in my nayberhood
/when i was 11! cmon!
January 18th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
I’m not sure what the fuck I mean. I meant that statistics would paint that, but the league average comparison generally controls for it. The important distinction is that the interpretation
“Sanchez’s career trajectory should be ranked among his contemporaries about the same as Tony Banks was to his peers”
/Shouldn’t have spent all night processing data
//Says stupid things when tired
January 18th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
I don’t know. Some people are still out there reproducing when they shouldn’t be.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
I think the kids argument is about as useful as the my city is better than your city argument.
I’d feel the same way if the kid’s in my city were as awful as the kids in you’re city
January 18th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
You appear to have missed the comparable’s for Bradford and McCoy.
I thought they renamed the conference Texas and Her Little Sisters.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
im sorry, but if liking regional pissing matches makes you a bad person, than consider me pol pot.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:02 PM
NOOOO!!! Adopt, adopt, adopt. Please, anything you can do to help me to never have to see another Willie Nelson ASPCA commercial.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:02 PM
I looked at that a while ago… there really isn’t too much correlation between “good” qb’s and college conference.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:02 PM
But can the kid’s dads in your city beat up the kid’s dads in my city?
January 18th, 2011 at 4:02 PM
Ab-so-fucking-lutely
January 18th, 2011 at 4:03 PM
Have the owners responded positively in any way to the proposed additional credits to owners for investments in things like stadium improvements?
said they made part of recent proposal about dollar for dollar credits, havent heard back from owners.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:03 PM
This right here. I got my puppy from the humane society, won’t ever get anything from a pet store.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:03 PM
But that’s the whole beauty of the stats used. Those “+” numbers compare those players to other players within the season played, not against all players historically.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:04 PM
Texas and Her Little Sisters > Legends and Leaders
January 18th, 2011 at 4:04 PM
I can’t believe John St. Clair would turn out so bad. He was one of the guys I always signed in the first offseason of my dynasties in NFL2K1 because he developed into such a great OL in later seasons
January 18th, 2011 at 4:04 PM
I knew the first day Lisk was a keeper, he is a Chiefs fan after all. We’re all good people.
/not all good people
January 18th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
Except OU keeps racking up Big XII championships. Their the little brother that can beat up the big brother.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
Nope.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
private breeders, brah. gotta get that shit pure bred.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
As far as I’m concerned this is your commenter motto.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
My parents got all of their dogs at a pet store. They get shunned all the time when they tell random people this. I don’t get it.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:06 PM
C’mon man, Jay Cutler vent to Vandy
SEC!! SEC!! SEC!! SEC!!
Speaking of great Big Ten quarterbacks, Brooks Bollinger has retired…best of luck in all your future endeavors my friend
January 18th, 2011 at 4:06 PM
But can the kid’s dads in your city beat up the kid’s dads in my city?
Absolutely. But they also beat up the kid’s moms and that’s how we end up with such shitty offspring in your city
January 18th, 2011 at 4:06 PM
Its all about the dollars, brah.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:06 PM
My dad bought us boxing gloves when we were 10 and then my cousin and I would box on the trampoline. I cannot confirm nor deny that money was being transferred between my father and my uncle.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:06 PM
lol.
in my madden dynasties, i, without fail, would get donte stallworth and turn him into the most unstoppable beast ever. loved those 75 overall players with 98 speed.
SSSSSPPPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDD!!!
January 18th, 2011 at 4:07 PM
Got mine from an Aussie Rescue organization. Gonna get another one in the spring/summer.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:07 PM
Ah, thanks for asking.
All of the recent talk of a segment of owners willing to lock players out for an entire season unless massive changes are made is really discouraging. And no one understands why.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:08 PM
Figures I miss a post having to do with UVA. I read about that case a few days ago.
Anyway, fantastic post as always Lisk.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:08 PM
If you are an animal lover, and you can walk through a shelter without feeling like it’s one of the 3 most depressing places you’ve ever been in your life, then by all means, visit breeders and pet stores.
I can’t do it.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:08 PM
But I don’t live in the south.
/Full Circle’d
January 18th, 2011 at 4:08 PM
There are some pet stores that just breed animals simply to make profit, not because they’re doing anything good. They don’t take proper care of them and are just trying to get them sold.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:09 PM
OT…i think devin townsend might have the greatest voice for metal ever.
/don’t confuse that with best singer or frontman…just his voice
January 18th, 2011 at 4:09 PM
This.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:09 PM
TBL, you know who would have loved to talk about Bradford? TST.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:09 PM
Brooks Bollinger, the UFL will never be the same without you.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:09 PM
loved those 75 overall players with 98 speed.
Ha! Always. Especially for tall WRs. And I always look at speed then catching for the DBs. I loved the Madden with Vick on the cover because he was almost unstoppable, save for the fact that I never went more than a few games without getting him hurt
January 18th, 2011 at 4:10 PM
Probably one of the least effective players from UVA that actually got/gets playing time in the NFL. Especially when compared to, say, Heath Miller, D’Brickashaw Ferguson, or James Farrior.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:10 PM
i can’t do it either, which is why i remain blissfully ignorant. sounds callous, but id leave a shelter with like 20 dogs if i went.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:10 PM
Private breeeders will also charge you $80,000 because it’s “pure”
January 18th, 2011 at 4:10 PM
jck get’s it.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:10 PM
My vote goes to Max Cavalera
January 18th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
Why, SD?
I love the myth that TST was “banned.”
Check the roundup comments. He never was.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
The best was doing a fantasy draft and drafting nothing but rookies and second year guys. By 3rd year of franchise they were unstoppable.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
A little OT but, can people not bring their fucking kids into bars, seriously. I was in my local bar watching the Pitt/BAlt game and some lady brings in her 2 daughters, they were probably 14 and 10, and orders a 32 oz. draft and watches the entire first half. The bartenders in this place are all hot 20-something girls (sorry Coop) that wear revealing shit, so this lady is basically a fucking loser….
/has kids
//they will never see the inside of a bar I frequent
January 18th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
I have a shelter dog. There should be an option to disable that Sarah McLaghlin* commercial once you have one.
*I don’t care how her name is spelled
January 18th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
It does suck that animals are in shelters and need homes…but if I am making a 10+ year commitment, I am not going to take a used dog that potentially has irreversible issues.
/I applaud the people that do though.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
Going alone is easier to do than going with your girlfriend/wife/kid, that’s how you end up with a whole farm.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:12 PM
That damn Sara Machlachan (sp) commercial makes me change the channel everytime.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:12 PM
If you want a pure bred, go through a rescue organization for that breed.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:12 PM
OT…i think devin townsend might have the greatest voice for metal ever.
Good Canadian boy.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:13 PM
I guess I’m just confused by your conversation this morning then. You said he was put in a padded room? He said he was commenting from the library. I made the assumption that meant his usual home PC IP was “on timeout”. I guess I’m going to stop worrying about it.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:13 PM
TBL, you know who would have loved to talk about Bradford? TST.
I am fully expecting TST and TBL to team up and hold Duffy while Dirt smashes a chair over Duffy’s back at this point.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:13 PM
Oh yeah, I hear ya. I found my first dog (she’s 7) through a shelter, but it was on PetFinder.com that I came across her. I’ll never forget. She was in the first row, third cage down. Someone else had came to see her and had first crack at adopting her, but fortunately, it fell through. While I was killing time when I went to see her initially, I decided to walk through the rest of the shelter. Terrible decision. They all look at you with those faces….and the music that’s playing. Jesus.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:13 PM
My gf’s dad used to take her to the bar when she was little all the time. Like 5 years old. Gave her quarters and told her to play the arcade while he sat there and drank.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:15 PM
That damn Sara Machlachan (sp) commercial makes me change the channel everytime.
I just end up singing that song at inappropriate times for a couple of days after seeing it. And making The Brave One jokes, which are always hilarious
January 18th, 2011 at 4:15 PM
Applause for you Ty.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:16 PM
I’m real torn on this. I have 2 dogs now, neither of them pure bred. my older one I got from the newspaper for $50 and is the best dog I will ever have. the other one I got from Lab Rescue and he is a total r-tard, but I love him too. I want a pure-bred Chesapeake Bay in the worst way for my next dog, but I feel kind of bad not getting one that is down on its luck.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:16 PM
Matt Stafford feels left out of this discussion.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:16 PM
//they will never see the inside of a bar I frequent
great dad don;t frequent bars
/great dad
//drinks at home
January 18th, 2011 at 4:16 PM
Especially when they constantly show it on freaking Comedy Central.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:17 PM
good luck.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:17 PM
The best then are the people who get upset if you swear around their kids at the bar…look, I’m not going to their school to throw around f-bombs so leave me the hell alone when at grown up places
January 18th, 2011 at 4:17 PM
Matt Stafford feels lots of things. He feels pain in his left knee. Pain in his right knee. Pain in his shoulder. Pain in his elbow…
January 18th, 2011 at 4:17 PM
Matt Stafford feels left out of this discussion.
He was pouting in the corner and threw out his shoulder.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:18 PM
Probably too small a sample size of games played, no?
January 18th, 2011 at 4:18 PM
M – Miller
F – Decker
K – Bar
/wasn’t that hard
January 18th, 2011 at 4:18 PM
I don’t know how to go about it but you should look for dogs that got rejected for being service dogs. They are going to be well-trained but just couldn’t quite make it as a seeing eye dog or general assistance dog or whatever.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:18 PM
He’s easily comparable to KiJana Carter.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:19 PM
@ButtersBC I thought going to the bar after church was a WI tradition.
/Looks suspiciously at his in-laws
January 18th, 2011 at 4:19 PM
Had tears in my eyes as I was loading the shotgun to take out Marissa
January 18th, 2011 at 4:19 PM
you have good taste.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:19 PM
Probably too small a sample size of games played, no?
Lisk said on twitter that he didn’t meet the criteria. Less than 150 passes thrown I think.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:20 PM
I’ve got it the same as you Zeus but it’s hard for me
/no homo
January 18th, 2011 at 4:20 PM
good luck.
i marry the one with the prettiest face, so not decker
kill decker, fuck miller, marry bar
/drinks too much watching kids
//bruns down house cooking them chicken nuggets
January 18th, 2011 at 4:20 PM
As long as you don’t marry Bar I don’t think you can go wrong. I say that because I think she’s the only smoker of the three, so those looks are fading faster.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:20 PM
I agree with every word this man say’s
January 18th, 2011 at 4:22 PM
He can struggle to obtain a WordPress account like the rest of us had to do.
/Then he can talk about dogs.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:22 PM
Do you think swimsuit models sit around in lingerie thinking about which blog-commenters they’d like to marry/fuck/kill?
/Thinks they do
January 18th, 2011 at 4:22 PM
you have good taste.
Damn, lacrosse, MFK, metal. Ummm, fuck OSU or something.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:23 PM
M: Brooklyn
F: Marisa
K: Bar
January 18th, 2011 at 4:23 PM
I’m actually leaning this way.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:23 PM
You are a wise Canadian
January 18th, 2011 at 4:23 PM
Marrying Miller is the easy part. Deciding who dies is the hardest part. I feel dirty no matter what. Brooklyn is from Ohio and I’m a sucker for foreign chicks so
M Miller
F Bar
K Decker
January 18th, 2011 at 4:24 PM
Marry: Bar
Fuck: Brooklyn
Kill: Marissa
Not a big Miller fan, I like Bar’s look and would like to see it over and over and over.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:24 PM
I think it’s called charity/pity fuck/do the world a favor though.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:25 PM
The discussion sure changed from puppies to boobies awfully quick.
boobies >>> puppies >>>> kiddies
January 18th, 2011 at 4:25 PM
//they will never see the inside of a bar I frequent
great dad don;t frequent bars
/great dad
//drinks at home
enjoy watcing football w/ friends where I can drop an F-bomb if I want to, also enjoy a beer (or 2) after golf.
/don’t really like to drink around my kids, but maybe you do.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
Wasn’t aware of this at the time of voting, swapping her with Decker while begging Marissa for forgiveness
January 18th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
With new evidence, I’m flipping to
M: Brooklyn
F: Bar
K: Miller
January 18th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
I knew there was something deep down that I didn’t like about you.
I know its subjective, but I really don’t see how people can’t marry Marisa. SHE SURFS!
January 18th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
I’m leaning this way as well. I think Brooklyn and Bar are pretty much interchangeable though.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
Randy Savage has pretty much turned into Space Ghost’s grandpa at this point.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
At least until they see TBL’s guns.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:27 PM
Oh shit, can’t marry a smoker. Bar’s out. I’ll marry Marissa then, fuck Brooklyn, and kill Bar.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:27 PM
Fixed for me
January 18th, 2011 at 4:27 PM
oh i do ty. and spend time with them
let’s not do this. i was yanking yer chain. i don’t judge other parents, but i do make fun of them.
relax
January 18th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
sniff…i miss golf.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
Be nice if you guys included some MFKs for those of us that are brunette type of guys, too.
/Team Brunette
January 18th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
Woah.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
obligatory decker gif.
and another.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
/fixed it
January 18th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
good luck.
love the “toes before ho’s” t-shirt
January 18th, 2011 at 4:29 PM
Add another convo to the pointless list.
/Team Blonde!
January 18th, 2011 at 4:30 PM
Personally I just think that Miller’s been over-hyped. I don’t have any evidence to support this, but I just like that exotic look more and Marissa doesn’t have that. And in the 3 pictures that they used on the site, Marissa definitely looks the worst imo.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:30 PM
sweet fanciful moses is that incendiary.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:30 PM
Well if we’re doing that, then redheads would be the best F.
/tries to think of a hot redhead
//nevermind
January 18th, 2011 at 4:30 PM
oh i do ty. and spend time with them
let’s not do this. i was yanking yer chain. i don’t judge other parents, but i do make fun of them.
relax
done.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:30 PM
Blondes are like the argyle of hair color.
/BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN
January 18th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
I can at least understand why you feel that way. I’m the exact opposite. Give me the blonde hair, blue eyes, and big ol boobies.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
jesus tapdancing christ boy, what the fuck have you been smoking?
January 18th, 2011 at 4:32 PM
I lol’ed
January 18th, 2011 at 4:32 PM
Can I fuck all 3 once each and then decide?
January 18th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
And that’s why she’s my Marry, I wouldn’t get tired of that.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
Personally I just think that Miller’s been over-hyped. I don’t have any evidence to support this, but I just like that exotic look more and Marissa doesn’t have that
I disagree.
/NSFW, on account of boobies
January 18th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
I’ll go for redheads, though not fucking gingers. Auburn is probably the best hair color on a woman. But I’m not actually picky whatsoever.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:34 PM
Decker is about a decade younger then Miller. So I’ll be in that camp.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:34 PM
That great California green.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:35 PM
There’s that too.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:35 PM
yea…not picky tho i prefer dark skinned lasses to honkies.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:35 PM
Emma Stone needs to go back.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:36 PM
Boner patrol.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:36 PM
name brand?
/im quite the pot-ossieur myself
January 18th, 2011 at 4:36 PM
Personally I just think that Miller’s been over-hyped. I don’t have any evidence to support this, but I just like that exotic look more and Marissa doesn’t have that
I disagree.
/NSFW, on account of boobies
I have changed my list at least 3 times….
January 18th, 2011 at 4:38 PM
Count me for team Redhead.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:38 PM
Couldn’t even tell you. I honestly don’t pay much attention to it. The guys I go through both get it from local clinics out here so it’s always good.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:39 PM
one day, this will be a reality all across the country. one day, my dreams will come true.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:41 PM
I thought we had enough liberals out here to pass Prop 19 and legalize it, but alas it fell flat…
January 18th, 2011 at 4:42 PM
that’s the problem with depending on the pro-pot vote…can’t vote from your couch.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:43 PM
Spencer, move to Flin Flon.
/think they may have shut it down.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:45 PM
New SI cover. LOL @ Brady’s face
January 18th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
Oh shit, can’t marry a smoker. Bar’s out. I’ll marry Marissa then, fuck Brooklyn, and kill Bar.
i’d still marry bar, make her stutter, and then she would quit for me
January 18th, 2011 at 4:47 PM
“AIEEEEE!!!”
-tom brady
January 18th, 2011 at 4:47 PM
Didn’t work…I wanna LOL @ Brady’s face…
January 18th, 2011 at 4:48 PM
LOL, that’s a great point
And that’s a great article
January 18th, 2011 at 4:49 PM
Nevermind, works now…And I did LOL.
January 18th, 2011 at 4:49 PM
Marry: Bar
Fuck: Brooklyn
Kill: Marissa
that is impossible. bar and brooklyn in my top 5
January 18th, 2011 at 4:49 PM
I disagree.
/NSFW, on account of boobies
oh shit, i forgot about her freckles! ok, i switch to marry marissa, kill brooklyn
January 18th, 2011 at 4:52 PM
M: Brooklyn
F: Bar
K: Marissa
January 18th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
Bravo TBL.
January 18th, 2011 at 5:11 PM
Please collect your prize in comment 182