Quarterbacks and Whether Race Matters
Last week, Jemele Hill wrote a commentary piece for ESPN titled “Is race still an issue for NFL QBs?” I realize that, in this 24-hour news cycle, twitter reaction in five minutes, off-the-front-page-in-five-posts world, I’m in danger of violating some tenet of not being fresh by bringing up something written 216 hours ago, but I have been struggling with exactly what I think on the topic. I opted for reflection over instant reaction.
The instant reaction, I think, judging by comments I read and blog posts I perused, was mostly – I might dare say – entirely negative. How dare she ask such a thing, because race is not an issue and the NFL is color blind. Here’s what I think after pondering it: I think black quarterbacks do have it a little worse from the general public after a bad game or a bad season. All quarterbacks get criticism from someone – there are enough voices out there to insure that – but the sense I get is there are a few more voices when a black quarterback plays poorly.
On the other hand, I think the decision makers within the NFL are generally pretty good about being mostly focused on performance. You probably don’t work in the NFL, with a diverse workforce and in a high pressure, publicly visible performance business, if you are racist or overly biased. The NFL, just like other sports that were a reflection of the culture at large, has a spotted past when it comes to equal opportunity. Quarterback was also perceived as a different position – a white position – even after the advent of the AFL and expansion of job opportunities in the sixties kicked open the door for black athletes from a trickle to a flood in this sport. Warren Moon had to play in the CFL to get his opportunity, something that just wouldn’t happen today.
I decided to check whether coaches bench black quarterbacks during a bad performance more frequently than white quarterbacks. I looked at all cases since 1990 where a QB threw at least 15 passes, and had 3 or more interceptions while posting an adjusted net yards per attempt of less than zero. In laymen’s terms, these were stinker games. Eight of the 15 (53%) black quarterbacks were benched (i.e., had another QB on the roster throw a pass), while 59 of 128 (46%) other quarterbacks were benched. That is a statistically insignificant result and is very much in line with the overall averages. I slogged through some ugly, ugly games as a service for you, the reader, and in fact the only bias I saw was that coaches are reluctant to bench a young highly drafted quarterback having a bad game.
Still, one of the things I have observed is that black quarterbacks, as a group, have tended to be better at avoiding interceptions than their white counterparts. There were only 15 such bad games that showed up on the above list, three of them by Kordell Stewart. A majority of the black quarterbacks who have played for any extensive period of time have been above the league average at avoiding interceptions. Only Warren Moon and Daunte Culpepper have led the league in interceptions, and they both have circumstances that justify that. Moon certainly didn’t do things the traditional way, and by the time he played in the NFL was already an accomplished and sought after passer, and he also played in a system where he threw it a lot. ulpepper was drafted by Dennis Green and also played in a system that threw it downfield.
That was just an observation from looking at career numbers. Here are the performance numbers of black quarterbacks versus others in just the last four years:
Since 2007:
| comp | att | yards | td | int | ||
| Black Quarterbacks | 5848 | 9809 | 66911 | 345 | 259 | |
| Other Quarterbacks | 31770 | 51792 | 336027 | 2223 | 1585 |
And to put those into rate stats:
| comp% | YPA | TD% | INT% | ||
| Black Quarterbacks | 0.596 | 6.821 | 0.035 | 0.026 | |
| Other Quarterbacks | 0.613 | 6.488 | 0.043 | 0.031 |
If you go by Passer Rating, those numbers are a flat-footed draw (81.55 versus 81.55). The black QBs were better at yards per attempt and avoiding interceptions, while others were better at completion percentage and touchdown percentage. Now, I happen to think that passer rating over-counts completion percentage (since it counts for one-fourth already, plus completion percentage and yards per completion are components of yards per attempt). As a result, I think the black quarterbacks have been a tad better (6.34 ANYA versus 5.97) on average.
When it comes to the interceptions, you may say, big deal, it’s just a difference of 0.005. Yeah, and over thousands of throws, that becomes about 30 more interceptions over the last four years. That’s 30 more post game press conferences with increased questions about interceptions thrown, 30 more chances for blogs and articles to be written.
Interceptions are highly random, subject to game situation, dependent on deflections, tips, the receiver running the correct route, the defender making a good play and not dropping the ball. They can also be somewhat controlled by the quarterback’s behavior. If you try to fit the ball into tight windows, your chances for both a good play and a bad one increase. There is also no other quarterback action that gets criticized as “stupid” or “dumb” like an interception thrown. I can see how black quarterbacks feel they need to be more cautious when it comes to interceptions, to avoid that criticism. I suspect that the difference in interception numbers is a real effect driven by this external pressure.
So, I think that race matters, because the numbers – as well as direct statements from McNabb and Doug Williams as quoted in Hill’s piece – tell me it matters in affecting how the black quarterbacks play the game as far as avoiding interceptions. Most of this is external pressure. I think that race is an issue within the game only on the edge. Performance trumps all. If you are good, you will ultimately get your opportunity. The only place I think that race could (and I will emphasize the “could” here) still play an issue is at the lower fringes of performance – the third quarterback who gets to sit on the bench and collect a paycheck, the aging veteran who gets to hang on longer than they should, the highly drafted failure that continues to bounce around.
You know when I know it will no longer be an issue and I can clearly shout down Jemele Hill when she raises this question? When we have a black Rick Mirer or Joey Harrington, plus a successful black quarterback who “just has fun playing the game” by throwing dumb interceptions.
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December 2nd, 2010 at 12:08 PM
Not touching this
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:09 PM
Excellent post.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:10 PM
I’m gonna read it… but this will be my only comment. You toe the line, Mr. Lisk. You toe it well.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:10 PM
unless someone comes out and says i benched him because he’s black, racism is in the folks who look real hard for it
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:10 PM
Warren Moon had to play in the CFL to get his opportunity, something that just wouldn’t happen today.
He also went through some pretty brutal heckling in his first couple of years in Houston.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:10 PM
Good read Mr. Lisk.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:11 PM
This could be interesting.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:11 PM
Isn’t that McNabb? I guess you have to substitute dumb interceptions with dirt balls.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:11 PM
This. Not sure I entirely agree with your conclusion, but this article is infinitely more researched, reasoned and rational than that pageview-fishing drivel Hill put out there.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:11 PM
So black QB’s throw more interceptions because they’re not trying to throw interceptions because they’re black?
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:11 PM
Jacory Harris needs a strong senior season to fulfill this wish in two years
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:12 PM
Great post Lisk, but calling Hill’s article anything but utter feces I cannot agree with. Her twitter defense was even more laughable.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:12 PM
This. Not sure I entirely agree with your conclusion, but this article is infinitely more researched, reasoned and rational than that pageview-fishing drivel Hill put out there.
I’m this’ing your this.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:13 PM
Captionated.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:13 PM
cant wait. when colorado hires the religious guy that hasnt coached in 15 years we may come close
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:13 PM
Sanders, I never heard what you thought of Faster??? To my shame I haven’t seen it yet.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:13 PM
STATS CAN’T SOLVE RACISM YOU MISSOURI KLAN MEMBER!!!!!!
No, seriously, good work. This seemed like enough of a chore in the research alone, like always.
It’ll no longer be an issue when people like Jemele Hill stop forcing it to be an issue.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:14 PM
I have question why does ESPN hire shitty ex qbs as NFL Experts-
Dilfer, Salsbury, Hasselbeck.
Only Steve Young.
For christ sakes Warren Moon was doing Fantasy Football show, get him so I can listen to someone who can actually throw a spiral.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:14 PM
I never know when she writes an article unless someone here does a story on her story.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:14 PM
very well written post, Jason, and for writing this from a statistical standpoint. You have been a strong addition to Team TBL
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:15 PM
Performance trumps race. I think where race becomes more of an issue is in the lack of NCAA and NFL head coaches who are black and very qualified who do not get hired to run the programs. I also think the Rooney Rule is a sham. Coaching performance in coaches cases means shit. This also goes for Major League Baseball and college basketball.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:16 PM
Cue Stillers fans having violent Vietnam-type flashbacks.
Does Vince Young get any credit for being the first black QB who Just Wins Football Games?
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:16 PM
It really depends on what you’re expecting and your history with the genre. The girl I went with hated it because she was expecting a “good” traditional movie. As a tongue-in-cheek sendup/salute to the old Charles Bronson revenge thrillers/Eastwoods spaghetti westerns, it’s pretty brilliant.
As with most things, it all depends on your expectations going in. But if you’re after the same thing I was, I can’t imagine being disappointed.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:16 PM
Captionated.
I like it. He looks like my dad.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:17 PM
Byron Leftwich? Rodney Peete?
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:17 PM
Her twitter defense was even more laughable
I used to follow her on Twitter, but her stupid comments every 5 fucking seconds really got on my nerves after a while. I don’t think that in the 6 months I followed her and the seemingly 5000+ tweets she put out a day was there anything worth knowing.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:17 PM
Awesome. Thanks. I’ll be going with a female as well so I’ll be sure to prep her (a-thank you).
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:17 PM
One Joey Harrington was too many.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:18 PM
should i have highlighted this?
“I can see how black quarterbacks feel they need to be more cautious when it comes to interceptions, to avoid that criticism. I suspect that the difference in interception numbers is a real effect driven by this external pressure.”
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:18 PM
Tee Martin?
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:19 PM
Speaking of black QB’s, can we please get another Cam post later. I’m in the mood to throw down again today. Especially after reading Andy Staples piece.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:19 PM
Great post, Lisk.
This requires Insider, but I’m curious your take on it because of the stat used to justify it.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:20 PM
Peete was pretty decent as a Lion. then he went to philly and beat the lions in the playoffs by about 1000 points.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:20 PM
/pats self on back
//can you believe the guy has a full-time, non-blogging gig?
///and kids?
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:20 PM
Spurgeon Wynn. Tarvaris Jackson.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:20 PM
Talk about a reach. This is awful.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:21 PM
Yes because I don’t agree with it. When a QB drops back and has a few seconds to throw is he really thinking of the racial implications if it is a pick?
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:21 PM
The ratio between when black QBs and white QBs run with the ball is slanted towards black QBs, right? Aren’t most guys like McNabb, Vick, Culpepper, etc choosing to run instead of throw a terrible pass?
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:21 PM
The media and the critics don’t give a shit about personal statistics. Stastically, Vince Young was playing EONS better this season than his rookie year. His rookie year, he was barely criticized. This year, he was majorly. The difference was, during his starts his rookie year, the team was regularly winning and he had no off-field blowups.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:22 PM
Will there ever be a day in this country when we’ll stop thinking in terms of race or logistics?
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:22 PM
next up…a college football writer that isn’t a michigan fan.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:22 PM
There is also no other quarterback action that gets criticized as “stupid” or “dumb” like an interception thrown. I can see how black quarterbacks feel they need to be more cautious when it comes to interceptions, to avoid that criticism. I suspect that the difference in interception numbers is a real effect driven by this external pressure.
Come on now Lisk, that’s a hell of a stretch.
Parcells said it best: when you throw the ball, 3 things can happen, and 2 of them are bad.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:23 PM
speak for yourself…i only think about golf and weed.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:23 PM
This.
/sorry Lisk, big fan, but that was terrible
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:23 PM
very well written post, Jason, and for writing this from a statistical standpoint. You have been a strong addition to Team TBL
/pats self on back
//can you believe the guy has a full-time, non-blogging gig?
///and kids?
busy people get things done. People swimming with free time never finish anything
/Book of jpq
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:23 PM
no, its race is not a factor. i cannot believe you even gave a lick of thought into a piece by jemelle fucking hill.
if you are good, you will play. period.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:23 PM
actually that was woody Hayes.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:24 PM
+1 sideline tackle
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:24 PM
Yes but that kind of shit does not happen over night. You need two generations to die off.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:25 PM
I’ll contribute to this fund.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:25 PM
Parcells said it best: when you throw the ball, 3 things can happen, and 2 of them are bad.
actually that was woody Hayes.
so…Parcells stole that quote like he stole SBXXV?
/fucker
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:25 PM
i cant believe this is still a topic.
will there be a piece on white wrs/rbs next mr lisk?
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:25 PM
actually that was woody Hayes
I could’ve sworn that was Parcells. Apologies.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:26 PM
I don’t care what you are, just play well.
/loved Mcnair and Moon
/Trent Dilfer needs to go to Qatar in the middle of summer with one of those metallic sweat suits on and no water.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:26 PM
Will there ever be a day in this country when we’ll stop thinking in terms of race or logistics?
Yes but that kind of shit does not happen over night. You need two generations to die off.
Its also unhelpful when whole cities of poor black people go underwater. Or helpful. I’m not sure which.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:26 PM
next up…a college football writer that isn’t a michigan fan.
Woah, let’s not go crazy now.
/shops online for puka shell necklace.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:27 PM
Hey TBL, per Facebook that foul ball girl is going to be on Tosh.0 this upcoming season, if you’re at all curious.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:27 PM
Byron Leftwich? Rodney Peete?
not even close. Peete threw a similar number of passes, but averaged 7.0 ypa to Mirer (5.8) and Harrington (5.9).
Let’s put this in perspective. JaMarcus Russell has averaged 6.0 yards per pass to this point, and has thrown 600 passes. If he throws it 1900 more times, he will be Joey Harrington.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:27 PM
What about Mexican QBs Sanchez is tearing it up right now. Wait til Taylor Martinez is in the league them Pedro Gomez can do this all over again.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:27 PM
IMO, playing field is the most intergrated and racially equal place in America.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:28 PM
If Mark Sanchez was black he’d be Jamarcus Russell
/kidding…but seriously
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:28 PM
will there be a piece on white wrs/rbs next mr lisk?
that was yesterday
/Thundercock’d
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:28 PM
No mention of the Mexican QB’s and how they are stealing jobs from the white QB’s? for shame.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:28 PM
Once he works with Gruden he will be an early draft pick.
/neither
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:28 PM
Has Jemele Hill ever written a non racial article?
I happened to be flipping by Sports Reporters and it was her turn to do a special comment or whatever.. She starts off by saying some situation, I forget what now, happened to remind her of another athlete. My husband screams ‘I bet he’s black!’ Yup, it was about Vick
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:29 PM
If you’re awesome, we praise you. If you suck at quarterback, go to hell.
/fin
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:29 PM
Ahh good to see we are all on the same page.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:29 PM
Duffy looks like I’d really enjoy his Bob Dylan impression if it was even halfway decent.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:30 PM
Does Vince Young get any credit for being the first black QB who Just Wins Football Games?
he’ll have to be happy being the first to throw shoulder pads in the stands
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:30 PM
Bad logistics.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:30 PM
In these parts they try to give Darell Royal credit for that one.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:30 PM
3 things happen when you throw the ball and 2 of them are bad.
/Woody
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:31 PM
Are there pictures? If not, I’m not checking.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:31 PM
She’s Jason Whitlock without the penis.
/I think
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:31 PM
She once wrote a column saying Kobe was better than Jordan…went years without reading her again until this piece and that simply so I could be informed of what she said before saying it was not an intelligent take
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:31 PM
if you’re our cousin, we fuck you. if you’re meth, we smoke you.
/stiller’d
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:32 PM
well that’s dumb.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:32 PM
And does this external effect excuse carry over to the real world as well?
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:32 PM
Hell, I’ll take one that watches college football.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:32 PM
You fucking Palinite!!!
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:32 PM
Hopefully wearing just bra and a panty like her pictures. Otherwise it will be unwatchable other than to have Tosh make jokes of her at her expense.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:33 PM
Incredibly well written and researched.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:33 PM
I unfollowed her on Twitter. Sooo Annoying.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:33 PM
I bet he’d do a fantastic job at humiliating Donovan in front of a roomful of fans.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:33 PM
Straps on lollerblades, goes roflskating.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:33 PM
Wait she’s the one who said if you rooted for the Celtics youre a Nazi, right?
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:33 PM
This is the most tired comment on this site. Give it a fucking rest.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:33 PM
parcells FUPA is too large for me to ever take anything he says seriously.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:33 PM
I’m guessing she’s going to be doing a web redemption. Her status on my news feed said Tosh.0 booked her for nine hours to LA and 11 back. That show does it on the cheap. Fantastic business model they have. Raking it in.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:34 PM
If there was ever a place for the underwear with dickholes joke, it’s here.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:35 PM
Duffy watched CFB. You guys may not like his stuff, but I would think he watches a good bit.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:35 PM
Oh yeah? Well…. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGSSSSSSSSSSSS..
/i got nothing
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:35 PM
Pay the playoffs!!! It’s the biggest story in college football history!! Denard is the most exciting player of the last 30 years!!
/these are significantly more tired.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:36 PM
Yes, rooting for the Celtics was like rooting for the Nazis…I mean I think Kevin Garnett is an asshat too but that was a little extreme
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:36 PM
I did the same. Whitlock too. All they do is inspire rage.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:36 PM
Link?
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:37 PM
See, I was thinking she’s Scoop Jackson without the penis.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:38 PM
And does this external effect excuse carry over to the real world as well?
Love to buy the whole watermelon. Just can’t. White people are looking at me.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:38 PM
It’s salty in here today.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:38 PM
my hate for duffy comes purely from my disdain for his alma mater.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:39 PM
See, I was thinking she’s Scoop Jackson without the penis
Me too.
Neither Hill nor Jackson would have a hard on for a white guy like Whitlock does for Jeff George
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:39 PM
PK Subban a healthy scratch for Les Habitants this evening. Racism!
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:39 PM
i bet dirt’s tattle beacon is going nuts right now.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:40 PM
I would love for there to be entirely less attention paid to Big 10 football in general.
Better basketball conference: ACC or Big East?
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:40 PM
LOL
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:40 PM
my hate for duffy comes purely from my disdain for his alma mater.
You both clearly smoked a lot in college.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:41 PM
I was gone for a bit (stupid work) did we ever get that question TBL was talking about?
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:41 PM
B10 had three good teams this year and the off-season was huge for them. They should be talked about. Now, that doesn’t mean MICH should be brought up a ton, but the conference as a whole deserved it.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:41 PM
big 10
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:41 PM
Big East and it’s not close.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:41 PM
The ACC sucks this year, even Dick Vitale admitted it during the MSU-Duke broadcast last night
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:41 PM
oh so it’s all about what YOU want? NOBODY GIVES A FUCK WHAT YOU WANT. you can’t figure out how to navigate your way through some big ten comments well fuck you.
/you from WC post towards SC
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:42 PM
I’m not either. My Uncle Tom/Reverse-Racist False Dichotomy Dashboard Warning Light(tm) is flashing and I’ve learned that bad things happen when I drive on in public and ignore it.
EXCELLENT breakdown here, though. I really enjoyed reading this, even if I have to leave further commentary to brighter minds and more courageous hearts than my own.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:43 PM
Excellent! Do you think the Habs will trade him to the Leafs for Mike Komisarek? What if I were to find a token french player to throw in?
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:44 PM
No. TBL is the biggest tease in the universe.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:45 PM
I think it is the Big East this year and it is a down year for them as well. I don’t think Syracuse is as good as their rankings suggest, but Georgetown and Uconn are better than everyone except Duke in the ACC.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Uncle Tom
Uncle Tom refuses to beat a female slave for that bastard Simon Legree’s pleasure. He’s great. Now that fucking Topsy on the other hand…
/tries to get back to talking about non-Potter literature.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Excellent! Do you think the Habs will trade him to the Leafs for Mike Komisarek?
Not unless you swap General Managers first…
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:46 PM
I was gone for a bit (stupid work) did we ever get that question TBL was talking about?
No. TBL is the biggest tease in the universe.
Herculean effort to avoid touching this.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:47 PM
Teehee
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:47 PM
How old is PK’s brother?
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:48 PM
Let me explain why you’re wrong. I didn’t come into a Big 10 post and put up 5-10 comments about WHY Big 10 fans are stupid and WHY they shouldn’t be discussed so much on the blog. I also didn’t come up with a completely irrelevant argument like “logistics” to explain why I don’t like something.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:48 PM
agreed.
/coop
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:48 PM
So McNabb has/had (I don’t know how this year affects things) one of the best Pass/INT ratios in history because of pressure from whitey?
I think this is an honest look at things, I guess I just don’t know if I can believe any of the conclusions drawn.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:49 PM
Uh, Louis C.K. is drunk on Twitter again. He’s another airplane bottle away from busting out his father’s cock on Sarah Palin’s chest again.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:49 PM
Great job Lisk…
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:50 PM
im not wrong because im joking around.
did you not see my earlier comment…I GOT A FREE CUBAN SANDWICH TODAY. do you have any idea how great of a mood im in?
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:50 PM
I’ve uh… sent this link along, right?
/that link is dangerous in the hands of morons
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:51 PM
+1 free harvest of cotton, rice, sugar cane, or indigo (pick one; your choice)
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:51 PM
Let me explain why you’re wrong. I didn’t come into a Big 10 post and put up 5-10 comments about WHY Big 10 fans are stupid and WHY they shouldn’t be discussed so much on the blog. I also didn’t come up with a completely irrelevant argument like “logistics” to explain why I don’t like something.
I’m still confused as to why SC doesn’t want a sporting event to come to the US that apparently wouldn’t affect him in Chicago anyway.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:51 PM
I’m getting sick and tired of you guys bad mouthing logistics.
/logistics major
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:52 PM
Far too salty. Shakira shaking her ass gifs.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:52 PM
How old is PK’s brother?
Not 100% sure, but both his younger brother are a couple years away from being NHL draft eligible.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:53 PM
Good for you. I spent 4 hours last night at the wake of my 32 year old friend telling his family how sorry I am for their loss. I sat at a bar with my friends and thought more than once that my dead friend should be walking through the door any minute. But congrats on your free cuban sandwich.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:53 PM
There is an American bald eagle right outside my door in my front yard tree. I can’t remember the last time I have seen an eagle but it is fucking stunning. I’m waiting for him to scoop up one of these ducks.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:54 PM
wow…don’t i feel like an asshole.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:54 PM
Sportsgal wins the day.
/But for real, condolences, that’s awful.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:55 PM
Good for you. I spent 4 hours last night at the wake of my 32 year old friend telling his family how sorry I am for their loss. I sat at a bar with my friends and thought more than once that my dead friend should be walking through the door any minute. But congrats on your free cuban sandwich.
Wow. A lot to dump on a happy pothead with a free sandwich.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:55 PM
PICTURES!!! TAKE PICTURES RIGHT NOW!!!
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:55 PM
Sorry to hear about that, SG. That sucks.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:56 PM
Condolences SG.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:56 PM
Parcells said it best: when you throw the bal
3 things happen when you throw the ball and 2 of them are bad.
/Woody
I see you corrected it. I’m pretty sure that Parcells is that guy that gets credited with every football related quote now, even if it was around long before him.
Oh, and it’s the dumbest quote in the world.
/if you drive a car, 3 things can happen, and 2 of them are bad.
/if you have sex, 3 things can happen, and 2 of them are bad.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:56 PM
Oh i got em. I wish I had a better camera, the one on my phone sucks.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:57 PM
Condolences, Sportsgal.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:57 PM
Went with the natural cut fries and sea salt from Wendy’s. They are damn tasty.
/I am fat and proud of it.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:57 PM
/if you have sex, 3 things can happen, and 2 of them are bad
Well that’s just not accurate.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:57 PM
You have selective reading skills.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:57 PM
twitpic? I want to see… bald eagles are awesome.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:58 PM
I only attribute the one where he was racist against Asians to him…the best was him starting it off with “Now no offense”, should have hit the breaks right there
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:58 PM
For some reason, that made me think of the Rocko’s Modern Life episode where they tried to steal all the wigs off a bald eagle for sport.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:59 PM
Ha! Very True.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:59 PM
You near a lake? Because all he wants is that delicious fish, yo.
SG–condolences, indeed. That’s effing terrible.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:59 PM
Great now I have that theme song in my head.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:59 PM
Well that’s just not accurate.
which is my point. It is as accurate as saying 3 things happen when you pass, and 2 of them are bad.
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:59 PM
Because you touch yourself.
/I think that’s how this works
December 2nd, 2010 at 12:59 PM
congrats brah. pictures?
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:00 PM
that was a good one as was calling terry glenn “she”
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:01 PM
Brad Smith is the best QB on the J-E-T-S
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:01 PM
Is one of them having your 5 year old unlock the door with a coin and walk in?
/therapy is going to be expensive?
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:01 PM
I suppose it depends on your stance on the girl suddenly saying, “I want you to put it in my ass.”
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:02 PM
Threadjackery:
John Embree (!) has evidently been offered the Colorado job, according to…Bill McCartney. Uh, Ok. Supposedly going to try and get Bienemy as the o-coordinator.
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:02 PM
impossible. that shit’s getting digested.
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:02 PM
If I had twitter and a better phone, They would be up for sure. I texted my neighbor about it and he said he saw him about 2 weeks ago. I think he’s got a nest around here somewhere. He was huge and just flew off across the lake.
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:02 PM
Wow, sorry to hear that.
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:03 PM
I suppose it depends on your stance on the girl suddenly saying, “I want you to put it in my ass.”
This only happens after a wedding wher you’ve both been drinking and one of your exes was there.
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:03 PM
Sorry about your loss SG. You and Spencer are really bringing the sympathy stick
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:04 PM
We have had our fair amount of anal talk here lately, haven’t we?
I for one, like my women to be 3 input girls.
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:04 PM
Maybe a better song will stick.
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:04 PM
Yea man. I’m fuckin pissed, the pictures blow.
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:04 PM
I suppose it depends on your stance on the girl suddenly saying, “I want you to put it in my ass.”
it depends on which possessive pronoun she uses. You’re okay with that one.
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:05 PM
As in ERIC “SLEEPING WITH” BIENEMY?!?!?!
/fuck you Berman
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:05 PM
Well STD, pregnancy, or a good time (at least always for me)
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:06 PM
I think he probably watches quite a bit, but I think people’s issue with him on CFB is his need to tie Michigan into every post. This is supposedly an unbiased blog (Jets, Yankees, ND, Syracuse, Georgetown aside), the irrelevant Michigan tie-ins should be avoided.
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:06 PM
The “logistics” are difficult to navigate in such an instance.
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:06 PM
Public Bienemy was way better.
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:06 PM
Don’t worry. I accidentally walked in on my parents when I was 12. Nothing wrong……..
Condolences SG
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:08 PM
Actually happy I’m responsible for this one. I hope its shelf-life makes it longer than a Twinkee.
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:08 PM
then she says “no, not you”
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:08 PM
Thanks for all the condolences, guys, but they’re not necessary. His family and very close friends need them more than I do.
Everyone should take the time to celebrate their loved ones when they’re alive. It would have been so great to have my friend there to joke with everyone about the pictures and memorabilia in the room. I mean, he was friends with a guy nicknamed “Sweet Dick.” That story in itself would have been awesome to hear from my friend.
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:10 PM
His brother was one of my coaches in HS.
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:11 PM
What happened to him? People that die within 5 years of my own age (29) freak me out.
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:12 PM
CU’s coaching staff is going to be a lot more diverse than the university, that’s for sure.
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:14 PM
What’s even scarier, a buddy of mine (44), decent health just had a heart attack about 2 months ago. Freaks me the fuck out with the way i live my lifestyle sometimes.
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:15 PM
He went to the hospital with leg pain and ended up having a clot that went to his heart. One day he was fine, the next day he’s in a coma and brain dead.
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:16 PM
Ditto. Had a guy I worked with (and someone Sparty actually knows) pass from cancer over the weekend. Diagnosed in January, gone by November. That shit scares me man. He was 28.
Obviously condolences to Sportsgal.
December 2nd, 2010 at 1:22 PM
The goalie brother (Malcolm) is almost 17 and will be draft eligible in 2012. He’s the back-up in Belleville this season and didn’t convert to being a goaltender until he was 13 or 14. Might end up being a late bloomer but he’s not a top prospect.
Youngest brother (Jordan) is 15. He’s a d-man and is OHL draft eligible in 2011. He’s very skilled and will probably be a first round pick in the OHL. He’s a lot like P.K. in that he is a gambler. Needs to tighten up his defensive game but he skates like the wind, has a great shot and can start or lead the rush.
December 2nd, 2010 at 2:45 PM
My problem with McNabb was always the idiotic 10 yard sacks… I’m not saying that has anything to do with race, but until running yards and sack yards are added in, I’m not sure rating is a good measure. How about median yards per play…