Florida Gators: The Most Divisive Make or Break Team in the Bracket
The Florida Gators are the team that frustrates you, going 0-6 in games decided by six points or less. They have had an opportunity to win most of those games late, but couldn’t execute, blowing big leads against Arizona, Missouri, Kentucky, and Mississippi.
They are the team that entices you, when they are on, they have been dominating. A win over Wisconsin by 18. A win over Marquette by 33. A dominating win over Missouri at home by 31, and it was not even that close. Florida beat their SEC opponents by 22.7 points on average, never winning a game by single digits.
All those close losses mean that Florida has dropped to a 3 seed. Florida is #1 in Ken Pomeroy’s ratings entering the tournament, and that is not unusual, because virtually any objective predictive power rating system that includes margin of victory has them top 3. (Here is Pomeroy back in early February on Florida).
When Florida is at their best, they have one of the best interior rebounding power forces in Patric Young, and one of the best “stretch” power forwards in Erik Murphy, who can pull other big men out and is hitting almost 46% of his threes on the year. When they are at the worst and lose those close games, they get a little jumper happy on offense, and need to get more aggressive going to the basket. Kenny Boynton has been a divisive figure, because he has taken the most outside shots (but only hits 32.5% of them) and the ball seems to wind up in his hands late in all these close games.
So, the question remains, what do we make of Florida as we enter the tournament? Seth Davis referred to them this morning as “the most overrated team in the tournament.” They are going to be the team that makes or breaks a bracket pool, because enough teams will pick them to reach the Final Four, and perhaps win the title, while others will have them losing by at least the Georgetown game in the Sweet Sixteen.
Let’s get one thing straight, though. Florida is not some test case for whether teams that show dominance but perhaps lose close games are better predictively than their record. I disagree with Mike DeCourcy there when he says “One thing metrics people can’t avoid: Florida is ultimate test case.”
They are just the latest example. I went back through Ken Pomeroy’s rankings through 2003 (when they began) and then used the simple rating system for seasons back to 1985 (when the 64 team field began). I found any team in the top 6 of the ratings who was seeded as a 3 or worse. Since the ratings include all games, there is some potential for creep thanks to a good tourney run. Looking at the list and the magnitude and results, I think it is minimal. It affects the extent of the results, but not the ultimate direction.
Anyway, here is every team listed in the top 6 of Pomeroy/SRS seeded 3 or worse, and the results, along with the average expected wins for a team with that seed.
Billy Donovan and Florida are no stranger to this list, as he has had “underachieving” teams in the past who were highly rated but seeded down because of close losses. The 2000 team went on a championship game run as a #5 seed. Two years later, also as a #5 seed, they were felled in the first round by a double overtime last second three pointer by Creighton (video below). In 2006, they were a #3 seed that finished atop the ratings (top 4 when the tournament began), and went all the way to a National Title. That team also lost six close games. In the tournament, they only had to win one as they dominated the field–coincidentally, against Georgetown in the Sweet Sixteen.
On average, those teams won 2.4 games in the tournament, playing from seeds where the average expectation was 1.6 wins. Not surprisingly, then, they outperformed their seeding as a group.
Ten of the thirty-four teams reached the Final Four, six went to the title game, and three won it. In hindsight, we can try to say those teams were different. They had some things in common with Florida. Michigan in 1989 had lost several close games in conference play, including two 1-point games to Indiana, and a close loss to Illinois. They had a reputation for not winning the big one. Arizona in 1997 had lost six straight close contests to end the season, dropping to a 4 seed. They won six close contests on the way to a national title, including two in overtime.
Now, I am not sure that this Florida team has the NBA talent of some of those teams. I don’t think there is a Joakim Noah on this roster, though Murphy (because of his shooting) and Young (as an undersized rebounding 4) will both be in the league. That Michigan team from 1989 had a lottery pick in Glen Rice, and several guys that played in the league. I don’t think they are the #1 favorite to win. I do, however, think that the regular season performance shows that they are in the mix.
Should you take them far? That depends on what kind of pool you play in. The number one rule in the NCAA tournament is “anything can happen.” The next rule, to counter that, is that the best teams tend to win more often than not, but nothing is guaranteed. Even the top teams have no better than a 20% chance to win. You will likely not get the national champion right.
If you are in a pool with Ken Pomeroy’s relatives or a bunch of math professors from small liberal arts colleges, you may want to look for value elsewhere. If you are situated between Bloomington and Louisville and in an office with a bunch of Big Ten and Cardinals fans, Florida may be the smart risk. In one of my pools where you get bonuses for lower seeds winning, you can be sure I will take that risk instead of picking a 1-seed. It all depends. It is all a risk, but at least with Florida, the reward at the end, looking at past similar teams, provides the potential for winning it all.
[photo via USA Today Sports Images]

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March 19th, 2013 at 2:35 PM
If Georgetown and Florida meet up they should decorate the arena to look like a battleship.
March 19th, 2013 at 2:38 PM
Also, it’s worth noting that great players make great plays, and the team that scores the most points will win the basketball game.
March 19th, 2013 at 2:39 PM
Have them losing to UCLA in second round.
March 19th, 2013 at 2:41 PM
Will the day ever come when Billy Donovan does not look like Eddie Munster?
March 19th, 2013 at 2:41 PM
Analysis.
March 19th, 2013 at 2:42 PM
All things being equal wouldn’t you always take that “risk”? What’s the penalty if you’re wrong? The whole point of the exercise is to correctly pick the winner, but why should somebody get extra incentive for picking the upset?
Facebook did this back when George Mason had their final four run and you had people with just obnoxious brackets at the top thanks to that kind of scoring system.
March 19th, 2013 at 2:51 PM
UCLA is the type team we destroy.
March 19th, 2013 at 3:03 PM
UCLA is also the type of team Minnesota will destroy. A not very good at basketball kind of team.
March 19th, 2013 at 3:06 PM
It’s funny because it makes it sound like Minnesota is not a not very good at basketball kind of team.
March 19th, 2013 at 3:09 PM
One, never underestimate your opponent. Expect the unexpected.
March 19th, 2013 at 3:11 PM
dawgfather i saw your comments on the la kings and debate over ‘best’ team or championship team. i don’t feel so alone in that opinion now
best teams win when it’s sudden death. one of the traits of a champion is winning when the pressure is on. i’ll take the stanley cup over the president’s trophy anyday, and same for all sports
sorry for the tj everyone else
March 19th, 2013 at 3:12 PM
FLorida beat Mizzou by 31, then lost to them by 3. Beat Kentucky by 17, then lsot to them by 4. Beat Ole Miss by 14, then lost to them by 3 in the title game.
I’m not saying it’s a sure thing that they lose, but it sure as hell isn’t guaranteed that they roll either.
March 19th, 2013 at 3:17 PM
Good point. Except that it’s completely wrong. The whole idea of the playoffs is to give other (lesser) teams a chance to win the championship… the shorter the series, the greater chance the team has of striking gold one time.
Really doesn’t make them better, because the whole idea of sudden death is that it introduces as much luck as possible into the outcome, at the expense of results based on skill-level disparity.
March 19th, 2013 at 3:18 PM
As a Gopher fan, the idea that not only did they still get into the tourney, but that most people seem to be favoring them in the first round, is infuriating.
March 19th, 2013 at 3:19 PM
The Wall Street Journal had a “blind pick” thing going where they presented the matchups without team names, just a brief description of the team and rankings based on things like Offense, Defense, Experience, 3 Pt Shooting, etc. I ran though it last night and ended up picking Florida to win it all.
Did not like what I saw out of them in the title game against Ole Miss though, think I have them losing to UCLA
March 19th, 2013 at 3:20 PM
Yeah, some people have a hard time accepting that the best team might be the one capable of elevating their play to the highest level and not the one that plays consistently well over a long period of time.
March 19th, 2013 at 3:20 PM
All things being equal wouldn’t you always take that “risk”? What’s the penalty if you’re wrong? The whole point of the exercise is to correctly pick the winner, but why should somebody get extra incentive for picking the upset?
its a hell of a lot more fun to incentivize upsets in your pool. otherwise, everyone will chalk the whole thing.
March 19th, 2013 at 3:23 PM
I think Lisk astutely showed they could either make a long run or get bounced early. I have no quarrel with someone picking the former, I just happen to think it will be the latter.
March 19th, 2013 at 3:23 PM
Explain. I didn’t watch much Big10 bball this year but I always watch gobs of PAC10 bball and I don’t think I need to explain the level of ineptitude going on over here.
March 19th, 2013 at 3:24 PM
i’m not ignorant that the team with the best talent and coaching and depth sometimes doesn’t win the title, wwos. but a funny bounce or injuries or weather that day are all part of sports, and why we love them. it would suck if we just handed the trophy to the best regular season team
my bottom line is envisioning jamoaks arguing about which team is better, and what a fan would rather brag about. the KO blow is, who has the trophy?
you are a hardcore fan of whoever, the yankees and jets i think…what would you rather have, a title or be able to say your team had the best regular season record?
being the best team is hollow as hell unless the trophy comes with it
March 19th, 2013 at 3:27 PM
!!!!
March 19th, 2013 at 3:27 PM
One, never underestimate your opponent. Expect the unexpected.
There’s always Barber College
March 19th, 2013 at 3:28 PM
Maybe being losers of 11 of their last 16 is a good place to start.
March 19th, 2013 at 3:29 PM
Be nice.
March 19th, 2013 at 3:31 PM
3-7 in last ten games of season, the bad losses: at Northwestern, at Wisconsin (45-44), vs. Illinois, at Iowa (72-51), at Ohio State (71-45), at Nebraska, at Purdue, vs. Illinois in B10 Tourney.
Not counting the two November wins in the Bahamas, the Gophers won 3 away games this year. The last time the Gophers won a game that wasn’t at Williams Arena? January 9th.
March 19th, 2013 at 3:32 PM
the yankees and jets i think
!!!!
mp, it pains me that you noticed this and not him
March 19th, 2013 at 3:34 PM
Of course I agree it’s best to have a title. And the title isn’t always the ‘best’ team though.
March 19th, 2013 at 3:35 PM
Yankees and Jets are both my 2nd fav teams in each sport, it’s cool.
/vomits
March 19th, 2013 at 3:35 PM
I was so excited that I didn’t allow any time to consider that it must have been intentional.
/hangs head
March 19th, 2013 at 3:36 PM
Well… very valid point. They did beat Wisconsin and Indiana in that stretch at least. Lost to some real BIG10 cupcakes I see though.
March 19th, 2013 at 3:36 PM
/vomits
smells like victory
March 19th, 2013 at 3:39 PM
/hands over stash of +1s to Vez
//leaves
March 19th, 2013 at 3:41 PM
I’m convinced that if that ’05 Villanova team doesnt lose Curtis Sumpter in the 2nd round they beat N. Carolina in the S16 and have a great shot to win it all. That team was rolling.
March 19th, 2013 at 3:50 PM
I see it’s time to dust this one off.
March 19th, 2013 at 4:07 PM
Hilarious that some people think UCLA can beat Florida. This is probably the worst draw UCLA could have gotten. The only reason I may not pull the trigger on Minnesota is because Tubby Smith is involved. Even if UCLA wins that game they have no shot against Florida. NONE. UCLA is playing with basically 6 guys right now due to Adams injury. What happens when they get in foul trouble? Because they will get in foul trouble. Drew and Powell will not be able to score against Florida so now you’re hoping for 60 ish points out of Muhammad, the wear twins, and Kyle Anderson against Patric Young and Will Yeguette.
Yeah right.
March 19th, 2013 at 4:20 PM
Pure and simple, UCLA is not beating Florida. I would bet every thing I own on this. If this game happens, UF will be favored by 8-10, and rightfully so.
March 19th, 2013 at 4:38 PM
so you will hammer the ML jay v?
March 19th, 2013 at 4:51 PM
Shabust Muhammad