Bill Simmons Slams Richard Sherman – Skip Bayless TV Disaster: “Everyone Lost. Including ESPN.”
Richard Sherman of the Seahawks is the latest athlete to blast ESPN loudmouth Skip Bayless on the network’s reprehensible show, First Take, telling the clown, “I’m better at life than you.” It was ugly, awkward, almost cringe-worthy television, which is basically what First Take is. The show’s goal is simple – dance around the race issue (or simply drop N-Bombs), “debate” the NBA/NFL (you’ll be able to count the number of baseball topics this summer on one hand), and attempt to lure athletes onto the show so they can destroy Bayless and then the internet can buzz. Mission accomplished!
The show’s racial component is disturbing, and has been for some time. While many at ESPN privately loathe the show and how the debate nonsense has encroached onto Sportscenter, few (none?) are willing to come out and take shots at the show.
ESPN’s Bill Simmons – who is close with the brains behind First Take, Jamie Horowitz – tweeted his thoughts on the train wreck early Friday morning:
It’s amazing to me that people get so worked up about First Take. Who cares? Just don’t watch it. There are like 800 TV channels.
— Bill Simmons (@BillSimmons) March 8, 2013
I am not defending this segment – youtu.be/j6x-O3kb1sI – I thought it was awful and embarrassing to everyone involved. Seriously. — Bill Simmons (@BillSimmons) March 8, 2013
But what bothers me about the reaction to that segment is people saying Richard Sherman “won.” Nobody won. Everyone lost. Including ESPN.
— Bill Simmons (@BillSimmons) March 8, 2013
Well, then.
What is most likely to happen next:
A) Simmons fields a call from the suits in Bristol, is told to put a cork in it.
B) Simmons fields a call from the suits in Bristol and fires back that he’s not going to stop, and the show is a bad look for the network.
C) Simmons fields a call from Horowitz wondering, “what’s up, man?” and Simmons says, “come on, you know that was embarrassing.”
D) This was the tipping point: Agents (many who follow Bill Simmons on twitter) steer their clients clear of the First Take mess thanks to the Simmons spotlight.
Related: First Take Ratings Were Down 15 percent in December – Tim Tebow effect?
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March 8th, 2013 at 10:36 AM
“In my 24 years of life, I’m better than you.”
Awesome.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:37 AM
When ESPN broadcasts anything, we all lose.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:37 AM
agree with simmons here…he should be ombudsman.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:38 AM
So you’re saying Yardwok is coming back?
March 8th, 2013 at 10:39 AM
Cue Paul Anka.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:39 AM
I hope Simmons leveraged Grantland so he could someday split off from ESPn. Grantland could function on its own at some point.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:39 AM
Yardwok
where do i buy one? i have been wanting to make stir fry in my front yard for years.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:40 AM
Speaking of ESPN, I’m obsessed with Charissa Thompson. It’s not to the level of WWoS’s obsession with Duffy, but it’s pretty damn close.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:40 AM
I would rather go shopping at Yankee Candle with my wife than watch that show.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:40 AM
you KNOW Simmons would bolt ESPN if he could…money too good….
March 8th, 2013 at 10:41 AM
Simmons is the top dog for ESPN..even more than Berman. He’s got the boss John Skipper on his side so when Simmons says something, it means a lot to suits in Bristol. Simmons is allowed to run Grantland without suits telling him what to do.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:41 AM
power of the pussy
/guinnessgirl’d
March 8th, 2013 at 10:42 AM
It would be nice if one suit dropped a suggestion in the box that perhaps, just maybe, cutting 10-15% of the words in a piece is actually a good thing.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:43 AM
So I shouldn’t admit to liking their candles?
/Midsummer Night’s Dream FTW!!
March 8th, 2013 at 10:43 AM
He’s got the best of both worlds. He retains certain amount of independence despite Grantland just being another arm of ESPN, yet he still benefits from cache that comes along with working for worldwide leader in sports.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:44 AM
First Take: Hostage; Hostage: First Take – A study in duality.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:44 AM
agree with simmons here…
i agree with simmons here too, but i also agree with sherman.
/bayless sucks
March 8th, 2013 at 10:45 AM
I like beer and chips, but that doesn’t mean I want to go to the grocery store.
Simmons is right, but would like to see him go further. That show is so bad that Maury Povich thinks they need to tone it down.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:46 AM
I wonder what Connie Chung thinks of her husband’s television show
March 8th, 2013 at 10:46 AM
Grantland articles that are written by anyone other than Simmons or Klostermen are shitty. Psuedo-intellectual rambling.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:47 AM
I, too, enjoy Yankee Candles that my wife buys.
/stand strong together, men
March 8th, 2013 at 10:47 AM
this show gets nothing but negative press. are they ever going to pull the plug on it?
March 8th, 2013 at 10:47 AM
ehh..Wesley Morris and Zach Lowe are quality writers.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:48 AM
I actually enjoy Rembert Browne a lot.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:48 AM
gets really good ratings. so..not anytime soon
March 8th, 2013 at 10:48 AM
Anything with pumpkin or apple. They make the house smell so good.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:48 AM
I like Andy Greenwald’s tv recaps. People still bring up the whole “souper bowl” debacle, but bigger crime was the 10,000 word essay breaking down a 5 minute youtube video. I think Klosterman wrote that one.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:49 AM
So I was watching 60 Minutes Sports last night. Laura Logan got herself some BIG ASS TITTIES! She upgraded like whoa.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:49 AM
JMAC writing about simmons?
ahhaah 2 blowhards
March 8th, 2013 at 10:49 AM
gets really good ratings. so..not anytime soon
does it really? that surprises me, and i am being super cereal.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:50 AM
/googles
/woah
March 8th, 2013 at 10:50 AM
She has the accent, right? I’m a big fan.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:50 AM
May want to avoid CRM from now on. Oh, and the diva power ranking is atrocious.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:50 AM
yes.
I prefer Post Raisin Bran
March 8th, 2013 at 10:50 AM
What’s this all about?
March 8th, 2013 at 10:50 AM
You are literally the only person I have ever heard say that
March 8th, 2013 at 10:50 AM
It’s funny how the original reaction went from “Sherman stitched a clown suit on Bayless” to “this is was embarrassing and awkward for everyone”
March 8th, 2013 at 10:51 AM
simmons was cool back in 2005
March 8th, 2013 at 10:51 AM
Well, “heard say” in a metaphorical sense
March 8th, 2013 at 10:51 AM
gets really good ratings. so..not anytime soon
does it really? that surprises me, and i am being super cereal.
there are so many businesses that just play espn non stop. i can see how they get “good ratings”
March 8th, 2013 at 10:52 AM
I turned it on, and I was like is that Laura Logan? Sounds like her, but shes more tan, more dolled up and MOTHER OF GOD.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:52 AM
Sherman, who is so much better than Bayless, goes on Bayless’ show and acts like an idiot because he hates Bayless so much and in doing so makes people talk about the show and the person he hates so much. Yeah, kicking ass, Sherman…kicking ass. And Sherman totally ignores the other moron on the show.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:52 AM
Yea I mean, not everything he writes. You are correct about the diva power rankings. Unreadable. But a lot of his pieces I really do like.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:53 AM
And Yankee Candles are awesome.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:53 AM
Barnwell, Lowe, and Keri are all must-reads for their respective sports. I also enjoy Rembert and Chris Ryan (on random shit) and Greenwald (on TV). Shane Ryan is normally a pretty good read on College bball too.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:54 AM
Definitely not a cornball brotha.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:54 AM
I LOL’d. I suppose I can admit to liking a scented candle, but that doesn’t mean I want to spend any time by the exit of this place while my wife tries to decide which $40 one she likes best.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:54 AM
Laura Logan got herself some BIG ASS TITTIES! She upgraded like whoa.
and Google Image search commences
March 8th, 2013 at 10:54 AM
A girl in my office loves his stuff.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:55 AM
mrejr, are you wearing all black in mourning after the death of paul bearer?
March 8th, 2013 at 10:56 AM
i go to bath n body and hit on all the hot chicks
March 8th, 2013 at 11:00 AM
Sure, A.P.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:11 AM
I’m sorry did I just see someone use the words “Psuedo-intellectual rambling” but said Klosterman was an exception? Am I tripping balls?
March 8th, 2013 at 11:16 AM
/Writes 10,000 more words in the footnotes
March 8th, 2013 at 11:18 AM
probably?
March 8th, 2013 at 11:18 AM
I was a big fan of Macintosh…until yesterday that is. you see, my iPhone decided to fucking delete ALL of my contacts and Apple was no help yesterday at all. so, all Apple-related things can now DIAF.
/team Ocean Breeze now
March 8th, 2013 at 11:21 AM
I spend 45 minutes looking for a colander and then nap on a mini king size bed.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:21 AM
If Simmons was truly concerned about ESPN being embarrassed, he’d resign from the NBA Show immediately. There has to be a better, more qualified token White face for ESPN to put on that show than him.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:23 AM
I wonder what Connie Chung thinks of her husband’s television show
Awesome doppelganger find.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:24 AM
LARA LOGAN… when did she get them done.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:26 AM
It’d be nice if you could stop doing this
March 8th, 2013 at 11:26 AM
Calling his performance an embarrassment is a bit much. The show’s not great, and certainly isn’t even close to Inside the NBA. But saying he should resign is just silly. Bringing the phrase “token white face” into it is stupid- he got the job because he’s Bill Simmons. Not because they needed a token white face.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:30 AM
As great as a player as he was, the biggest problem with ESPN’s NBA show is Magic coupled with Wilbon’s fawning over Magic.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:37 AM
Well this shouldn’t be a shock given Wilbon’s predilection for being photographed with pornstars, the guy is just really big into communicable diseases.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:38 AM
True. I like Wilbon (ducks tomatoes) but he is surprisingly dull in NBA studio show.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:38 AM
it’s like Wilbon gets a boner everytime he says Earvin (oooooohhh) Earvin (ooooooh)
March 8th, 2013 at 11:42 AM
that just reads funny. Most people didn’t even know who he was until he was announced as part of the show.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:43 AM
Yeah the most prominent face on ESPN’s website the past decade was a complete no-name. You’re not the only black guy to use the internet you know.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:43 AM
Don’t have a problem with Wilbon. Like his insight and smugness at times. If I was a studio guy for baseball, I’d be talking about Pedroia and Tulo non-stop. You know, if anyone even watches baseball anymore /Monk
March 8th, 2013 at 11:46 AM
If I was a studio guy for baseball, I’d be only talking about whomever has the highest WAR.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:47 AM
If I was a studio guy for baseball I’d be fired the first day for stealing the Mr. Met costume that ESPN has in their offices.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:50 AM
Are there hot chicks in Bath n Body? Seems like its always overweight middle aged women that haven’t quite given up the dream. Maybe at Christmas they hire some temporary staff (high schoolers) if that’s what you’re into?
March 8th, 2013 at 11:54 AM
Of all the ridiculous things you’ve said, this is in the top 20.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:57 AM
If I was a studio guy for MLBNetwork, I’d be playing wiffle ball the entire time
March 8th, 2013 at 11:57 AM
I read the shit out of Jonah Keri and whenever they have Rany Jazeneri (founder of Baseball Prospectus) write on Grantland. Katie Baker’s hockey stuff is solid as well.
And Skip needs to be given a single bullet and stranded on a glacier in whale infested waters.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:59 AM
The most prominent face on ESPN’s website? Wow, that is most certainly the equivalent of being on Sportscenter.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:01 PM
God you are such a contrarian cunt.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:09 PM
people get so caught up in their little niche, that they sometimes think the subject they’ve placed a great deal of focus on is bigger than it actually is. It’s similar to political reporters inside the Beltway who can’t understand why the big story inside the beltway isn’t playing the same outside of it. Bill Simmons has a nice niche of followers on the internet, blogs, and within the industry, but this gig is the first time most people have heard of him.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:13 PM
I read the shit out of Jonah Keri and whenever they have Rany Jazeneri (founder of Baseball Prospectus) write on Grantland. Katie Baker’s hockey stuff is solid as well.
This. Plus Zach Lowe’s NBA stuff is always a good read.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:14 PM
Do you have anything to back this up beyond pure conjecture?
Facts: He spent years as a popular ESPN columnist. ESPN recently gave him his own website to run, which has been fairly successful. They then put him on their main NBA show. This was all during/after his two books were NY Times Bestsellers (the second of which debuted at the top of the list).
My opinion: your opinion is wrong and doesn’t have a strong backing of evidence.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:16 PM
Most people weren’t hiring for the position. The people who were knew who he was.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:23 PM
The highest rated Sportscenter of all time is the one following the Packers/Seahawks MNF game last year at six million viewers. It averages between .5 and 1 million viewers for the main show each night. ESPN.com gets between 45 and 50 million unique visitors a month.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:24 PM
/Nice niche’d
March 8th, 2013 at 12:34 PM
Someone needs to go on this show and call screaming a’s punk ass out as well.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:39 PM
NYTimes called him the “most widely read sportswriter in America today” and the “Most pominant sportswriter in America.” He also has 2 books that appeared on the best seller list including 1 on the NBA that started at #1. As usual, you are just spweing shit that is wholly off-base supported by nothing other than your uninformed opinion.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:41 PM
It depends on the value you place on being the “face” of ESPN, Page 2. Lets make that perfectly clear, that when you guys talk about being the face of the ESPN site, it was Page 2, not even the main site. Now, if you want to make the argument that just as many people viewed Page 2 as did the main site, I won’t even research the numbers to argue the abusurdity of that. I hope you aren’t making the argument that being on NY Times Best Seller list in this date and time brings instant notoriety and name recognition across the board. In an era where one word from Oprah can get a book straight to the top, hype from industry types, and the world wide leader would do similar for a basketball book. By the way, how long did the book stay on the list after the initial hype? I guess it’s ok to be impressed by shiny things, as you appear to be when you rattle off those accomplishments, but when you’re hyping up being the face of Page 2 and the diminished value of the NY Times Bestseller list, it appears that you can’t even determine what is shiny.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:43 PM
Y’all are getting sucked in like quicksand
March 8th, 2013 at 12:46 PM
Here’s a random ESPN.com homepage from 2006. Yep, certainly his face and name aren’t getting out there.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:46 PM
Slow boring day of work.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:46 PM
Clearly you never go to ESPN.com. Simmons has a nice picture that links to his work on Grantland and prior to that to where his column used to reside on Page2. It didn’t take any digging whatsoever to find his stuff. Good try though.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:47 PM
Darrell: Bill Simmons is a known commodity within the sports world. Not sure why you’re arguing otherwise. I can’t tell you if he’s good, bad or anything in between on the show, but saying he was hired to be “the token white” voice seems ill-informed.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:48 PM
Probably so. Darrell loves the argue. Perhaps he’s a litigator who likes the challenge of taking on the weaker side of an argument. Come to think of it, that would seem to be a good self-improvement strategy among those who argue for a living.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:48 PM
so now we’re giving Simmons credit for 45 to 50 million unique visitors a month?
March 8th, 2013 at 12:48 PM
So ESPN hyped his book up to the top of a bestseller list yet people have never heard of him? I’m sure during ESPN’s hype they never mentioned that book on Sportscenter or any other ESPN show.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:52 PM
I think we’re assuming that those 40-50 million people perhaps saw his photo and know who he is.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:53 PM
Way to pick out the part of that comment that shows the comparison of exposure that results from being on Sportscenter to the exposure of being front and center on a website that has has 45 to 50 million visitors. If you put Sportscenter anchors in a lineup along with Simmons it would be Simmons that would be recognized by more people with the exception of Coachman.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:59 PM
Kinda like when Ray Lewis shows up as an ESPN personality, he’ll draw an extra 50,000 viewers but will be credited with drawing an extra 1.5 million viewers.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:08 PM
Coachman!!? Are you his cousin or something? Of all of the ESPN anchors, Coachman? Simmons is not front and center on the page.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:11 PM
it’s also assuming that 40-50 million people visit the ESPN site to read the articles.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:43 PM
It’s actually assuming that 40-50 million people visit the homepage and see his face. Hence, that he is recognizable or known. He has been on the espn.com homepage since the early/mid 2000s. When they brought on Rick Reilly, he was placed right next to (or above / below) Simmons in the main section of the homepage. This required a user to do nothing more than enter “e-s-p-n-.-c-o-m” into a web browser.
Considering how the television viewing audience has dwindled substantially at the expense of web visitors, I’d definitely suggest more people know of Simmons than any Sportscenter anchor other than Stuart Scott and possibly Scott Van Pelt.
None of this takes into account that he has the most popular podcast on ESPN (by far, and for a while) and makes repeated PTI hosting appearances.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:45 PM
Page 2? Is this discussion taking place in 2005?
March 8th, 2013 at 1:57 PM
Dan lebatard actually talked about how the only loss to espn that would worry the suits is Simmons.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:57 PM
This is the only thing I can think of to explain him sometimes.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:00 PM
ESPN is bringing in 45-50 million unique visitors a month. Grantland is bringing in something in the area of 750,000 to a million a month. Nice little loyal following, but hardly anything that indicates the huge public notoriety you guys are so desperately trying to portray. People aren’t going around asking “did you see the latest Simmons article”. The world is bigger than TBL and other blogs.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:27 PM
Darrell, you’re killing me here. I don’t usually think you are arguing for argument’s sake but I’m pretty sure this time you are.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:30 PM
This has been happening for me since 2003. Not me doing it, but people asking me. Sometimes even new people at work ask me if I read the latest Bill Simmons mailbag. Don’t worry about it- I just don’t think it’s fair to walk around calling Simmons “token White guy”.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:54 PM
I share the Charissa Thompson fantasies but she’s lost the plot out there in LA. Gone way too Cali. And Beadle, what have YOU done? The new show is Cross-Over is closed to being Crossed-Out. I love my Beads and CT but they need to find new producers to get them in the right “platform.”
March 8th, 2013 at 3:12 PM
The idea that a commenter on a blog has a better sense of the value of Bill Simmons’ notoriety than the suits in Bristol is perhaps the funniest thing I’ve ever read on this message board.
Kudos.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:44 PM
So, we only comment on the value of people we don’t like, is that how it works? That’s a weak argument. Everyone has a value. Simmons’ comes in the form of being at the top of the game of a niche market who is good for a few clicks. He can have that value, and that still doesn’t mean he’s a household name.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:47 PM
Unfortunately, no one is really arguing that he’s a household name. “Not being ‘token white guy’” does not equal “he’s a household name”. People are just saying he’s pretty widely known (not really a niche market, but that’s a different argument) and your comments about him were a bit silly. I can tell that you cannot be convinced though, so I retire from this one. As always, it’s been nice discussing with you.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:11 PM
attributing ESPN’s entire comcscore numbers to the guy when he is responsible for about 2 percent of it was most certainly an attempt to do so. In regards to the token white guy, as I stated earlier, it’s been the formula ESPN has used since they started broadcasting the NBA.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:13 PM
I was done, but it’s really frustrating me that you’re totally missing the point on this one.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:17 PM
Actually no, I really don’t have anything more to add. I think it’s pretty straightforward.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:26 PM
That’s what you did as a straw man after it was pointed out that a website with massive traffic prominently displays Bill Simmons’ face and links to his work. Your original point is that nobody knew who Simmons was prior to his joining the NBA show, which is patently absurd. Nobody claimed Simmons is responsible for ESPN.com’s traffic, only that their traffic exposed their visitors to Simmons and his work.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:29 PM
I don’t believe how you guys have fallen for the assumption that Simmons was in fact attacking the segment, when he was clearly defending the network as a whole.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:41 PM
your argument is that ESPN.com receives heavy traffic: ESPN has a link to Bill Simmons: Therefore, people knew Bill Simmons. And you call my argument absurd. Do you click on every link of every blog you visit? The only correlation I see is 725,000 for Simmons. 50,000 for ESPN.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:44 PM
excuse me….50 million for ESPN
March 8th, 2013 at 4:45 PM
Where the hell did this come from? No said anything like that.
This also wasn’t the point. The original point was that you said Bill Simmons only got the job because he was white, and people refuted it by saying no, he’s well-known. You then said that’s not the case because he’s not on Sportscenter. It was then said that Sportscenter get 500,000 – 1 million viewers on a best night, while the website – which displays Simmons on the front and center for the last decade – gets 40-50 million unique visits a month. ERGO, he is recognizable.
The fact that you somehow construed this to mean Bill Simmons is responisble for ESPN’s comScore rating is flabbergastingly retarded.
I prefer him to the token black guy (Wilbon) and the token black athletes (Magin and Jalen) easily. It’s too bad that ESPN is afraid to put out their best studio show to cover the NBA – SVP, Russelo, Legler. Not enough
“tokens.”
March 8th, 2013 at 4:46 PM
………….oh yeah, and they prominently featured his picture and a link to his work…………..at the bottom of the page.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:03 PM
if this was the way it was presented originally, there wouldn’t be a problem. Instead 45-50 million number was presented alone, at which time I questioned whether some of you were attempting to attribute this number to Simmons. Later, I found the 750,000 number at which time I presented the contrast. The fact that your entire argument about his popularity is the fact that he has a link on ESPN.com is laughable. He is well known because he has a link on ESPN.com, because his link is the ONLY link on ESPN.com
based on the basketball arguments you present, this at least now explains it.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:06 PM
I’ll give it to you though, if you’re looking for pop culture reference, SVP and Russelo are the joint. Some of us are just still able to watch or read about sports without the pop culture cross polonization
March 8th, 2013 at 5:11 PM
I was kidding.
It’s not, but it shows that ESPN has been displaying him as a talent at the forefront of their website, something they’ve only done for one other writer consistently in the history of ESPN.com – Rick Reilly. He also has ESPN’s most popular podcast, more Twitter followers than any other ESPN personality, and was chosen to run an off-shoot website.
So far, your counter argument that he’s not popular or “well-known” is just that he’s not. Compelling.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:14 PM
Me having to reference Twitter as a point of popularity is a real low-point in the asinine nature of this argument.
You think Simmons got the job to be the “token white guy” on the ESPN NBA show. Congratulations on your nuanced opinion.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:15 PM
This isn’t at the bottom: http://i.imgur.com/FredfyV.png
And neither is this: http://espn.go.com/
March 8th, 2013 at 5:24 PM
Hussler… give it up. We should all just admit Darrell, or WAR, or whatever his name is got our collective goat. His argument is asinine and has no basis in fact. It is ridiculous. All the points above (his presence everyday on the highest trafficked sports website, his twitter followers, his podcast ratings, his appearances on PTI, the fact that ESPN chose him to be the face of a brand new affiliated website) are enough to stop Darrell from effing this chicken… yet he still does. He got your goat. Its okay… it’s not your fault, it’s not your fault, it’s not your fault (in robin williams voice).
March 8th, 2013 at 5:26 PM
you saved me the trouble of attacking that point. Thank you.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:33 PM
It’s not exactly the forefront either. Especially to the point where someone who is looking for a score suddenly stops and says “hey, that Simmons title caught my eye”. It’s there, just like other links.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:36 PM
They’ve linked every writer who has written for their site, from Scoop Jackson, to the late Ralph Wiley.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:39 PM
@BigOil
Yeah you’re definitely right. I guess I just get caught up by people who are race-baiting since I figured we’ve moved beyond that, but oh well.
And finally:
Good point – every other link has a picture of its writer’s head next to it. Doesn’t remotely stand out.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:41 PM
None of them have had as consistent a presence on the homepage. Not ever remotely close.
Unrelated, but Scoop Jackson is a travesty of a writer.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:41 PM
this will never not make me laugh. What are his podcast “ratings” by the way?
March 8th, 2013 at 5:49 PM
Apparently, Bill Simmons is the first person in the history of ESPN that they shove down everyone’s throat through all of their digital and print mediums (he was a the featured ESPN the Mag columnist back in the day too) who is not well known.
You learn something new everyday, I suppose.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:54 PM
Bill Simmons is the only writer in the history of ESPN to have his picture listed next to his link, and for this reason as well as the relationship of the link being placed on ESPN.com,he was a well known entity. 725,000 out of 50,000,000 worth…….Wait, I’m sorry, I should add his twitter followers and podcast rating numbers to that number as well.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:54 PM
I know I shouldn’t bite, but since you asked a direct question… go to itunes. Go to podcasts. Look at the top 10 most downloaded episodes… BS report has 2 in the top 10 most downloaded right now with #8 and number #9. This list, like all the itunes ratings (songs, albums, movies) is fluid. I think it is in the last 24 hours or so. Point is that he has #8 and #9, and that is of ALL podcast episodes, not just sports. Give it up… you are just being ridiculous.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:58 PM
This is going to make me laugh all day.
Don’t get caught up in your little niche called the internet!
March 8th, 2013 at 6:00 PM
I’ve yet to see anything to convince me that there’s any reason not to be convinced that Bill Simmons isn’t well known, other than some old dude with a racist agenda.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:01 PM
nice little niche following, but had anyone really ever heard of him up to that point?
March 8th, 2013 at 6:27 PM
it must be extremely fluid, because he isn’t in the top 10 overall list now. However, he does have a few spots in the sports and recreation listing. But then again, so do Michael Smith and Jemelle Hill and today’s episode of First Take. Henceforth, they’re popular!!!….ha!
March 8th, 2013 at 6:29 PM
so now you are just lying. He is still at 8 and 9.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:33 PM
seriously… you are just lying. I just looked at the list. Carolla at the top, some chicago public radio programs, PTI at 5 and then BS report at 8 and 9. It is not extremely fluid, it is on the main podcast page of itunes, and frankly this is a pretty accurate rating of what is popular or at least downloaded most frequently. Rolling stones use itunes top lists for music now. You can’t even argue this isn’t a good barometer of popularity.
Are you a super troll, a racist, or just a huge hater of simmons?
March 8th, 2013 at 6:35 PM
I have. Simmons has a link on ESPN.com. I’m convinced now.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:51 PM
eh, I don’t see it, but I’ll take your word for it as it doesn’t really matter. Does this mean that the Chicago Public Radio Programs are world famous now because they’re higher on the podcast ratings list than Bill Simmons? I mean since I’ve been told that being linked to ESPN’s site (with a picture nonetheless) , twitter followers, and podcasts ratings (without any real numbers by the way)are all indicators of just how well known Bill Simmons really is.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:56 PM
that hurt my feelings
March 8th, 2013 at 7:04 PM
I referred you to the biggest marketplace for podcasts. They rate the most downloaded podcasts. You blatantly lie about what is on the list, rather than be creative and try to spin it as the only reason he is ranked high is cause he got this gig. You just lie about it.
Not only are you a troll, you are a lazy troll.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:11 PM
you are a fanboy who is getting more and more upset that I am speaking in not glowing terms about the object of your fandom. I already said I couldn’t find it, but I’d take your word for it………..It’s just that instead of looking for the Simmons podcast stats, I’ll be listening to the world famous Chicago Public Radio Program(s).
March 8th, 2013 at 7:14 PM
Does Rolling Stones determine Gold and Platinum certifications? So why would this mean anything to me?
March 8th, 2013 at 7:37 PM
again you lie… you didn’t say you couldn’t find the top podcast list, you said you found it and simmons wasn’t on there… You are a troll.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:58 PM
ok, I lied. I’ll address that after I finish listening to the world renowned Chicago Public Radio Program(s). Now, wait your turn.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:43 PM
What a joke.
March 9th, 2013 at 1:51 AM
I got it from the quote below,which is funny because half the comments on this site are driven by having a better sense of ESPN talent and notoriety than the suits in Bristol.
March 9th, 2013 at 1:56 AM
You are the worst human being I’ve encountered in quite some time. I am so sorry I participated in this.
March 9th, 2013 at 2:08 AM
LOL…I am so sorry that I hurt your feelings……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….but really, how famous are Chicago Radio Programs if they’re receiving higher podcast ratings than Bill Simmons? What in the hell are they playing on those programs? Probably a Simmons podcast, which brings this all full circle.
March 9th, 2013 at 2:12 PM
This is where I got my info from by the way. If you meant something else, please post the link to explain yourself.
http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/podcasts/top10podcasts.html
http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/podcasts/top10podcastssportrecreation.html
March 10th, 2013 at 11:53 AM
Fitting that SI.com just named Simmons the #1 most powerful person in media, “by a wide margin.” The lesson continues, Darrell don’t know shit.
March 10th, 2013 at 1:27 PM
We were talking about being able recognize Simmons, not his supposed power. This article does nothing to support your argument, especially since it’s not based on the opinion of SI as a whole, or not as part of their top 50 most powerful list as you attempted to present it, but instead as part of some side list presented by their media writer. You want to make the argument that as many people recognize Simmons as recognize number 2 on that list? Number 3? Number 5? Number 7? Number 8? Number 9? I’d even say Number 10. They’re all more recognizable by the public than Simmons. C’mon man, if Barkley was ever interested in doing a podcast, he’d blow Simmons shit out of the water. Simmons is busting his ass 12 months out of the year, doing podcasts, writing articles, producing documentaries, working the NBA show, etc. etc., while Berman works about 4-5 months out of the year, while the rest of the year doing a sportscenter when he feels like it, an occasional baseball game when he feels like it, yet they’re still on the same list. That tells you Berman has real power. He is ESPN’s NFL coverage. Berman can go on his show, or Gruden could go on MNF and tell Simmons to suck their dick, and all the suits at ESPN will say is “that’s unfortunate”, and do you know what most of America will say? Who are they talking about.
March 10th, 2013 at 1:31 PM
and please spare me the “but, but, but ESPN.com has 50,000,000 hits a month, and Bill Simmons has a nice little picture on the site” argument. I know, I know, he also has a podcast and a nice twitter following.
March 10th, 2013 at 2:29 PM
/wanking motion
March 10th, 2013 at 4:56 PM
It’s like trying to get through to a child…..so clueless.
March 10th, 2013 at 5:14 PM
Scalia presented a source to support his argument that wasn’t a source that supported his argument. Clueless indeed. Once again, to refute my claim that Simmons that most people know Simmons from the NBA coverage, you refer to him having a picture on ESPN.com, podcasts, and twitter followers as your arguments. This post is nothing more than me having fun arguing with a conglomerate of idiots who are over eager to overstate the status of their new media hero. This is easy.
March 10th, 2013 at 5:21 PM
You supported your claim by saying that A.) Simmons isn’t on sportscenter and B.) The internet is a niche. Great job old man.
March 10th, 2013 at 5:22 PM
You guys are fantastic
/gets more popcorn
March 10th, 2013 at 5:28 PM
And “new media hero”? That NY Times article calling him the most popular and widely read sports writer in America was from 2 years ago. Same with the article in The Atlantic calling him, “without much question, the most popular sports columnist in America”…and a Huffington Post article from over 3 years ago calling him, “the most popular sports writer in America.” Just like the stats revolution, you’re behind the times on this one Darrell. Sorry.
March 10th, 2013 at 5:53 PM
Simmons has a niche audience, and Simmons isn’t more recognizable than the most recognizable faces on Sportscenter, that’s what I said and I’m saying, just in case you aren’t clear. In response to the Sportscenter quote, someone posted that ESPN has 50,000,000 unique hits a month. Really, when you think about it or don’t think about it much, those two seperate facts have very little to do with how recognizable Simmons was, other than the tremendous stretch of linking the 50 million to him. When people tune into Sportscenter, they’re going to see whoever is sitting beind the desk that night. When people log onto ESPN.com, they aren’t necessarily going to hit the Simmons link. Eh, maybe they will at a 725,000 out of a 50,000,000 clip. Calling Simmons a sports columnist is a stretch, he’s just the sports guy remember? But I’m aware of those articles. That’s where I found the 725,000 to 750,000 number.
March 10th, 2013 at 6:04 PM
Stats revolution? I guess everyone needs something to make their generation feel relevant. But referring to your love of stats as a “revolution” is a sign of the young desperate need to make your cause relevant. Just as I figured in both the Simmons and stats arguments. Scalia still has breast milk on his breath.
March 10th, 2013 at 6:13 PM
This is so out of touch and naive
March 10th, 2013 at 6:15 PM
Speaking of a revolution, Playboy is launching in Israel. Anyone else excited?
/Crickets
March 11th, 2013 at 10:19 AM
Your argument through this thread has been all over the place. If at the outset it was “Berman is more recognized than Simmons” I don’t think a single person on here would argue that. The only instance, other than this most recent one, where you reference Berman is talking about how much people dislike him:
In this instance, you’re conflating “dislike” with “value” and making an argument no one has made. Disliking someone’s schtick and understanding they are valuable to ESPN’s media properties are mutually exclusive things. I can dislike Chris Berman but understand why he’s on ESPN’s NFL shows.
Of course, comparing Berman to Simmons in this case is pointless, since they don’t cover the same sport, and Berman is an institution – he’s been doing this for four times as long as Simmons. Over the course of Simmons’ ESPN career (past 10 years) what Sportscenter anchor is more recognized than him? Scott Van Pelt? That’s probably the only one.
Of course, this argument would be meaningful if you provided any attempt at evidence to the contrary to show that Simmons isn’t widely known, which isn’t surprising. And the comparison of Grantland unique visits is a farce – when Joe Buck did his on show on HBO and it tanked, was that a referendum on him not being recognizable?
The fact of the matter is that Bill Simmons is one of ESPN’s premiere faces. You can downplay any source of evidence but if he wasn’t, they wouldn’t give him so many avenues (TV, website, podcast, etc.) to showcase himself. Particularly when it comes to the NBA. If you’re really talking about “niches,” (the internet LOL) the niche here is that among NBA fans, he’s probably much more recognized than if you combined all the sports.
As an alternative, what other route would ESPN go? Another token former athlete?
March 11th, 2013 at 5:06 PM
I said 3 basic things: he’s not good on the NBA show, the show should try to find another token White, and most people know him from the NBA show. From that point forward in this entire thread, it has been me responding to a number of different people who happen to disagree. Different people, you being chief amongst them, have presented facts that you felt were knock out punches that I summarily dismissed, and eventually you’ve become frustrated in your posts. Now, it may seem like I’m “all over the map”, but that would only be because I am responding to different people who present their different “knockouts”. I didn’t compare Berman to Simmons, Scalia did with his link. I just used his link to make my point. I didn’t make the point that Simmons was more recognizable than anyone on Sportcenter, Tarheel did. I just happened to use that to make an argument. I didn’t present assumption as fact in saying that ESPN.com gets 50 millions visitors a month, Simmons has a link on said site, so this means Bill Simmons is well known, you did. And you have the audacity to tell me that I haven’t presented anything as fact when that is what you’re presenting? All I’ve done is ridicule it. Now, you seem to be backtracking. If you want to read something that’s all over the map, re read your last post. Now it’s “but but but, Berman and Simmons don’t cover the same sport”. Fuck outta here, when I’ve been getting hit in the head the whole time on here about Simmons being the most popular sportswriter in the country. Plus Berman only gets to show his face on sportscenter, right? Remember that doesn’t even come close to comparing to having a link on a website that receives 50 million unique visitors a month plus I doubt Berman has 2 million twitter followers and podcasts to compete with Simmons’ notoriety.
March 11th, 2013 at 8:50 PM
and I’m going to fall back on the White token portion of my statement, because token would imply that people like Chris Mullin, whatever Barry, and Tim Legler were nothing more than placeholders when they are very good at what they do. Put one of them in the place of Simmons, because he sucks.
March 11th, 2013 at 8:54 PM
Playboy is launching in Israel. Anyone else excited?
/Crickets
israeli women are super fucking fine