ESPN’s John Skipper Wants Keith Olbermann, and Could His Hiring Line Up with Rick Reilly’s Departure?
Sunday night, the New York Times had a curiously-timed story: Keith Olbermann, the most disliked ESPN employee in the history of the network, had dinner with ESPN’s No. 1 suit, John Skipper, months ago. Why was this news only leaking out now?
At first, the story looked like an obvious plant by the unemployed Olbermann – two days before Fox Sports was making a splashy announcement about a new TV channel it hopes will rival ESPN, here’s a story about how the once-toxic Olbermann was now making nice again with ESPN! Fox is in the midst of a hiring spree, and they’re giving a TV show to an 81-year-old … why not give one to the supremely-talented Olbermann?
But after poking around at ESPN, sources tell me this wasn’t a give-me-a-job plea from Olbermann. ESPN President John Skipper wants the cantankerous Olbermann back, multiple sources say, and they’re very likely going to get him – as early as late-May.
The Times story wasn’t a test balloon from Skipper to his employees to see if a revolt would happen – although many privately expressed their dismay to me – it was a test balloon with Disney executives. Ultimately, they will determine whether or not Olbermann goes back to ESPN.
Sportscenter ratings have sagged. Competition in the sports space is suddenly fierce, with NBC and Fox (with MLB Network, Golf Channel, NFL Network, etc) constantly making moves on ESPN talent. If ESPN doesn’t hire Olbermann, someone else eventually would (though a source at Fox Sports says that’ll never happen, given his history with Rupert Murdoch).
What, exactly, would Olbermann do for ESPN?
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Besides tossing him the occasional Sportscenter, Olbermann could start a column on ESPN.com. Rick Reilly’s deal is expiring early this summer (June 1 is the rumored date), and if he bolts for the Golf Channel, Olbermann could fill his space. How’s that for media free agency – Reilly walks and Olbermann enters? Or, ESPN could just keep Reilly (not at a “ridonkulous salary”) and add Olbermann?
Another source said ESPN Radio in New York (which recently moved from AM to FM) is struggling beyond Mike & Mike, and an afternoon show (say, opposite Francesa?) could be intriguing. Olbermann is a baseball guy. New York is a baseball town. Baseball Tonight could also be in play, I’m told.
Options are many. But here’s the big fear Skipper may not have considered – in 2013, if Olbermann dresses down employees and curses out production assistants, a source at ESPN texted me, “you know that hours later, it’s going to end up on your site or Deadspin.”
If you’re wondering what Bill Simmons would think of Olbermann’s return – surely you haven’t forgotten their 2011 dust-up – the answer is probably nothing, since he’s based in LA and would never have to deal with Olbermann, who would be based in Bristol or New York.
One person who probably isn’t thrilled is Suzy Kolber. In the great ESPN Book by Mike Freeman, ESPN: The Uncensored History, he detailed how Kolber would go in the bathroom and cry after being berated by Olbermann. He later apologized.
In 2013, a story of that magnitude would hit blogs and then go viral on the web with unimaginable speed.
Olbermann’s old high school buddy, Chris Berman, probably knows something about that.

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March 6th, 2013 at 1:06 PM
Just another reason not to watch ESPN.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:07 PM
In the great ESPN Book by Mike Freeman, ESPN: The Uncensored History
Good lord is that stretching the definition of great. I’d read an Olbermann column once a week or so. I doubt I’d watch him on anything other than Baseball Tonight but that might be a nice option to have if he were on there.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:07 PM
Stick him on First Take with Skip Bayless where he belongs.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:07 PM
Man. These ESPN suits must have rabies.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:08 PM
Hell yes. Wish I would have wrote that. Comment of the year.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:09 PM
Not only does this do nothing for me, but frankly, it smells like desperation. Not a good look.
I think ESPN could probably set whatever money they plan on giving Olbermann on fire and it would be a better use of their money than actually giving it to Olbermann.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:09 PM
When Reilly leaves ESPN, I hear there’s a blog about cats and Kate Upton he’d be perfect for.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:10 PM
When does Coachman go on?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:11 PM
Olbermann talking about sports? hell yes. Talking about politics? no way. The little bit of work he did for MLB network last fall was awesome
March 6th, 2013 at 1:11 PM
HA! 4-7 Eastern, ESPN Radio
March 6th, 2013 at 1:11 PM
Just another reason not to watch ESPN.
Beat me to it. Dude’s a focking windbag.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:12 PM
the difference between Keith and Bayless is Keith actually knows what he’s talking about and is a natural asshole. Skip Bayless is an asshole for money
March 6th, 2013 at 1:13 PM
A real champion of women. Hate this guy. Filthy 1%’er. Give your money to charity and the Government Olberdouche.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:13 PM
Rick Reilly’s deal is expiring early this summer
Best part of this story. If any of the golf outlets hired him that would be sad. He’s basically with dementia, wandering in the media wilderness now, sleeping in cardboard boxes and using Cutty for moutwash.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:13 PM
GO GOLF CHANNEL!!!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:13 PM
TBL how much of this is your conjecture and how much came from
Jay BilasESPN sources? You mentioned just about every job somebody with Olbermann’s skill set would do.March 6th, 2013 at 1:13 PM
Nah, he’d been an asshole even if he wasn’t being paid.
/ Maybe Olbermann can fill one of the TBL intern slots
March 6th, 2013 at 1:14 PM
I know you’re texting buddies with Cowherd. Would bet he’s one of the “many”.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:14 PM
lol.
frankly tho, not sure reilly was worse than gene wojo when it came to golf coverage. every one of wojo’s articles read with a “why am i being forced to write about this” tone.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:14 PM
Wait…what? F’real?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:14 PM
On a much more important media note, Dido has a new album coming out. I love Dido.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:15 PM
I like Olberman, he’s usually researched and articulate. He just needs to lighten up a bit and a prouducer (and mgmt team) with stones to keep him in line.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:15 PM
He will probably wind up Heismanning SVP on the way to the anchor desk at Primetime while Berman suffers the big one.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:16 PM
I am watching more and more golf channel.
How are mike and dike successful? Really, how?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:16 PM
Kind of like when TBL writes about golf? Or baseball?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:17 PM
the most disliked ESPN employee in the history of the network,
No. He was great once. Just because he’s become an insufferable asshat doesn’t diminish what he did at ESPN years ago.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:17 PM
if youre a golf fan, golf channel is really, REALLY good…it’s a pretty good model for a sport specific channel, tho it’d be tough to do that with regionalized rooting interests.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:17 PM
dunno how many times i have to offer my services for free instead of just hijacking a million posts…
March 6th, 2013 at 1:18 PM
Even I hate Olbermann and I’m liberal, however I suspect you listen to or watch people just like him, just from the opposite side of the asile.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:20 PM
TV blows but I do have love for ESPN America.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:21 PM
Keith O is good with sports, don’t see the problem here. He can be an arrogant prick but if you can replace him with Reilly you do that in a second.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:21 PM
Olberman knows a fuck-ton about baseball no, Probably half of ESPN’s baseball team would be threatened immediately by his employment.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:22 PM
Olbermann is whip smart, but given the stories about the guy and the fact that he seems SO thin skinned, I can’t get past the fact that I find him so inherently unlikeable that I don’t want to hear what he has to say.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:22 PM
TV blows but I do have love for ESPN America.
Does that have different hosts, shows, and a completely different format than the ESPN we watch? Because, if not, you are insane you Canadite Cunt.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:22 PM
i find it hard to believe olbermann is more of an asshole than chris berman.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:22 PM
I mean replace Reilly with him…fuck
March 6th, 2013 at 1:22 PM
Pretty sure he’s an uber-fan.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:23 PM
i mean, if we’re talking about incredibly smart, thin-skinned people, we’d have ourselves one helluva list of historically great figures.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:24 PM
Man…I would put money on KO being the biggest prick in media if we had a way of measuring that. Dude might have the biggest ego in television, and that says a lot.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:24 PM
The geniuses are usually the wackiest.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:24 PM
i find it hard to believe olbermann is more of an asshole than chris berman.
Exactly. I can think of 10 more hated employees of ESPN than him that are currently employed there.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:25 PM
dunno how many times i have to offer my services for free instead of just hijacking a million posts…
Email a resume with links to your slideshows. Intern Spencer
March 6th, 2013 at 1:25 PM
Man…I would put money on KO being the biggest prick in media
Actually, his penis is extremely small.
/really old KO story.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:26 PM
I can think of 10 more hated employees of ESPN than him that are currently employed there.
He means hated on a personal level by fellow employees
March 6th, 2013 at 1:26 PM
I think KO is probably very smart, to the point of being brilliant. but it seems to me (from the outside, for sure) he has terrible people skills and has no clue what being courteous entails.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:26 PM
I know you’re texting buddies with Cowherd. Would bet he’s one of the “many”.
rumor is cowherd’s show is coming to espn chicago after mike and mike
March 6th, 2013 at 1:28 PM
but it seems to me (from the outside, for sure) he has terrible people skills and has no clue what being courteous entails.
and when he keeps getting hired no reason to change
March 6th, 2013 at 1:28 PM
This right here. I’m AMAZED he still gets mentioned for work in the industry. He leaves every single job he gets being dubbed a cantankerous asshole who views everyone beneath himself. Being smooth on camera and smart is all well and good, but if the people who make the sausage hate your guts, the ending is always an inevitability.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:29 PM
Sad but true.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:30 PM
He means hated on a personal level by fellow employees
He’s more hated than Berman?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:31 PM
Sad but true.
pours one out for metallica
/bass solo, take one
March 6th, 2013 at 1:32 PM
Sand patrooooooooolllll-AH!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:32 PM
Can’t wait for KOs first 15 minute ‘special comment’ rant at the end of sportscenter
March 6th, 2013 at 1:32 PM
I read what Skipper said and it read like this:
Yeah he’s incredibly talented and better at news than anybody we employ, but we don’t have a production & executive teams with the cajones to properly manage big on-air talent, so we’re gonna act like pussies and blow this buy-low opportunity becasuse WE ARE ESPN.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:35 PM
God. I bet it would be between the greatness of WAR or BAPIP or whatever stat baseball fans are all about that day.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:35 PM
rumor is cowherd’s show is coming to espn chicago after mike and mike
do me a favor and go throw a bag of glass studded feces at mike and mike.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:35 PM
i caught a bit of the espn doc on the fab five and when they showed sportscenter reports, van pelt had hair. was strange
March 6th, 2013 at 1:35 PM
God. I bet it would be between the greatness of WAR or BAPIP or whatever stat baseball fans are all about that day.
He’s not good with this stuff. At all.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:37 PM
There’s a reason he’s been hired and fired by FOX Sports, MSNBC (twice) and The Current.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:37 PM
do me a favor and go throw a bag of glass studded feces at mike and mike.
i don’t eat glass, and i do not listen to them, so ask angry or sc or sg or spaulding or jim
/i think that rounds out the chicago area commenters
March 6th, 2013 at 1:38 PM
Dude, please. The preferred nomenclature is “Canuckian cunt.”
March 6th, 2013 at 1:39 PM
Really? I just assumed that would be his thing. Guess not.
He’s good at what he does and he’s an asshole.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:39 PM
Maybe now he can go to CNBC and be watched by hundreds or even thousands of people each day.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:40 PM
Care to list them?
I’ll give you a head start:
1) Bayless
2) Cowherd
3) Berman
4) ?????
March 6th, 2013 at 1:41 PM
He’s not good with this stuff. At all.
Really? I just assumed that would be his thing. Guess not
Old people dude. No matter how smart you are 90% of us stick with what worked when we were 25. This also applies to our clothing choices and our feelings about pubic hair.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:42 PM
Even I hate Olbermann and I’m liberal, however I suspect you listen to or watch people just like him, just from the opposite side of the asile.
I listen to no one on either side – I don’t get into “incite my masses” radio. That crap is just un-listenable no matter your political leanings.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:43 PM
4) Doris Burke, perhaps.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:43 PM
I remember when Ken Burns did his Baseball documentery and then Olberman would do a nightly recap of the factual errors.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:44 PM
Stephen A. Smith
Jemele Hill
Gregggg Easterbrook
Chuck Klosterman
Rick Reilly
March 6th, 2013 at 1:44 PM
5) Mark May for sure
March 6th, 2013 at 1:44 PM
9/10 have to be NFL analysts right? Though if you took those 9 off of their lineup, you’d still have 28 more analysts who contribute nothing on a nightly basis.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:44 PM
By dipshits who don’t realize she’s the best basketball announcer they have and are insecure with a woman calling a game, sure.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:44 PM
And by the way Husker – I really don’t appreciate you lumping me in with the MSNBC crowd or the FOX crowd. I just don’t get how people listen to that crap. I read my news.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:45 PM
6) Merril Hoge possibly
March 6th, 2013 at 1:45 PM
This sounds like something every blogger has done at least 5 times.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:45 PM
Dude, please. The preferred nomenclature is “Canuckian cunt.”
Noted.
1) Bayless
2) Cowherd
3) Berman
4) ?????
SAS
Robert Knight
Entire Cast of NFL pregame show
The Gay Mike
Entire Cast of Sports Reporters
Mike Lupica (again for good measure)
March 6th, 2013 at 1:45 PM
I like Olberman, but that hairstyle, combined with the puke green shirt and lobster-face tan, that look isnt working.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:46 PM
5) Mark May for sure
I’m not sure if he’d be an ass to work for, but he is pretty worthless as a product.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:46 PM
OK. I think I agree and Olberman is the Worst Person in the World for me.
On NFL Pregame, I think Tom Jackson is a good guy.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:46 PM
This sounds like something every blogger has done at least 5 times.
pretty sure he did that pre-internet and just an hour or so after the episode aired.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:46 PM
I like Olberman, but that hairstyle, combined with the puke green shirt and lobster-face tan, that look isnt working.
Whatever, Clooney, it’s sure working for me.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:47 PM
At The Daily Caller, right?
/I keed, I keed
March 6th, 2013 at 1:47 PM
Please keep Reilly away from the Golf Channel. With what’s her face deep voice throwing it over to Reilly to ad lib a few pop culture references that would really cramp evenings watching golf.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:47 PM
As insufferable as Olberman is, I don’t remember him being that big of a prick on ESPN especially compared to what they have now.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:48 PM
Worst show on ESPN (for me) is College Gameday Final. It’s one show that should be wall-to-wall highlights, and instead they do some stupid fucking mock trial that takes up 7 minutes and then they show 20 scores on the screen because “they ran out of time.” I like Reece Davis a lot, but holy fuckballs does that show make me homicidal.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:49 PM
March 6th, 2013 at 1:49 PM
Is Jesse Palmer on that?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:49 PM
On NFL Pregame, I think Tom Jackson is a good guy.
I meant more of the Monday Night Crew. Tommy seemed like a cool cat back when I could sit through a pregame show. I always turn on MNF 30 minutes before the game starts because I can never remember the start time. That is horrible.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:50 PM
Oh Jesus I forgot Pam Ward. Yeah she is horrendous.
Also Lou Holtz.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:50 PM
As you should for that band sucking ever since the black album came out.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:50 PM
amen on both of these.
yea, i mean, it’s sports…he’s not talking politics.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:50 PM
thank you…black album sucked dick. and justice for all was a disappointment in hindsight too.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:51 PM
At The Daily Caller, right?
I have no idea what that is and I don’t think I’ll google it.
I go simple – google news feed with 10 or so topics and Yahoo News. And I have a subscription to the Forsyth County News for local. I hit the AJC some.
My father in law would come to our house and make a comment about wanting to see something on FOX. He was appalled every time b/c I had no idea what the channel number was and it would take me forever to find it.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:51 PM
As insufferable as Olberman is, I don’t remember him being that big of a prick on ESPN especially compared to what they have now.
That is the point I’ve been trying to make. It is so much worse there now than it was back then.
Worst show on ESPN (for me) is College Gameday Final.
I don’t even watch highlight shows anymore. I can get what I need on the internet and don’t need Mark May vomiting all over my tv screen. His tone is so awful.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:51 PM
You take that back S&M is one of the best live albums ever.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:51 PM
Not sure if you were referring to my comment or not, but no, CFB Final is Reece, Lou and May. 2/3 of the way to a full-on shit sandwich.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:52 PM
March 6th, 2013 at 1:52 PM
As you should for that band sucking ever since the black album came out.
You take that back S&M is one of the best live albums ever.
I suspect this is tongue in cheek but I love S&M like I love 1980s Elizabeth Shue.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:52 PM
Yeah, it’s College Football Live I’m thinking of. I cannot stand him.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:53 PM
Is Jesse Palmer on that?
I think he is on the ESPN 2 one that comes on during halftimes and between games. I don’t know. All of ESPN is kind of the same to me on college football saturdays.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:53 PM
Nope.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:53 PM
If Sopa Opera Digest had a messageboard 25 years ago, it would read an awful lot like this post does, from the write up to the comments: “I hate him”, “He’s such an ath hole”, “He’s so mean”. Bunch of washer women.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:54 PM
It’s a gigantic missed opportunity. As incredible as Master of Puppets and Call of Kthulu sounded with an orchestra, I don’t think the world was pining for Of Wolf and Man or Enter Sandman getting the same treatment.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:54 PM
wha?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:54 PM
I like …and justice for all a lot, but yeah it is no where near the greatness of Puppets and Ride the Lightning.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:54 PM
Are people mean on soap operas?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:55 PM
FUCK ALL YALL
March 6th, 2013 at 1:55 PM
Another show I don’t watch, so I can’t comment on it. I so desperately want to watch CFB Final as it should be the perfect wrap to a busy day. Instead I get Reece Davis dressing up like an idiot and banging a gavel. Now, if he tee’d off on May or Holtz I could see the entertainment, but alas, he doesn’t.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:55 PM
Sucks that he could never reach his true potential. Ryan Westmoreland retires.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:56 PM
and justice for all was a disappointment in hindsight too.
go to hell. justice is one of the best metal albums ever, along with chaos AD.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:56 PM
if that album had no lars ulrich, it’d be a whole lot better.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:56 PM
“The Patriots HATE playing for Bill Belichick!”
/2001
March 6th, 2013 at 1:57 PM
i suggest you listen to more metal.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:58 PM
As insufferable as Olberman is, I don’t remember him being that big of a prick on ESPN especially compared to what they have now.
yea, i mean, it’s sports…he’s not talking politics.
If we can get Olbermann back to talking about sports and away from being a political talking head then I consider that a huge victory for all of television watching mankind.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:59 PM
It’s one of the strangest engineered/produced metal albums ever. Dry buzzy guitar tone, drums that sound click-y, and zero bass guitar.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:59 PM
exactly
March 6th, 2013 at 2:00 PM
i suggest you listen to more metal.
i am happy with my vast knowledge and library of metal, sir.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:00 PM
and just pure, grain alcohol fueled rage-sadness oozing from the speakers. it’s not the worst album by any means, but ride the lightning and master of puppets are what we’d give aliens when they come here and ask what heavy metal is.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:01 PM
sir? SIR? why i NEVER.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:01 PM
it’s not the worst album by any means, but ride the lightning and master of puppets are what we’d give aliens when they come here and ask what heavy metal is.
justice lifts its leg and pisses on RTL, with some splashback on MOP. I suggest you listen to less metal.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:02 PM
Considering the sad and depressing “Fade to Black” was written because they had their gear stolen, I’d imagine they’d have a rough time if someone in the band died.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:02 PM
getting pissed on is SOOOO metal tho…im claiming this as victory.
/plants flag
March 6th, 2013 at 2:03 PM
I would have liked Metallica’s last album a lot more if Hetfield didn’t attampt to sing half the time. Good lord is his voice painful to hear.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:03 PM
justice lifts its leg and pisses on RTL, with some splashback on MOP
I don’t consider myself a metal expert at all, music or the material, but even I can see that that is an awfully bold statement.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:03 PM
Think it’s the middle eastern version? Instead of commercials they just show highlights and E-60 pieces you yankee slag.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:04 PM
Male rock singers tend to age poorly. See also: Keenan, Maynard James
March 6th, 2013 at 2:04 PM
i do consider myself a metal expert and will go to my grave believing that forged is better than cast.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:05 PM
counterpoing: halford, rob and dickinson, bruce.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:05 PM
i do consider myself a metal expert and will go to my grave believing that forged is better than cast.
Heresy!
March 6th, 2013 at 2:06 PM
Remember those stupid columns about what Kurt Cobian would have been like at forty a week ago? What would 40 year old Cobain do?
He would kill himself you fucking idiots.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:06 PM
counterpoing: halford, rob and dickinson, bruce.
Like a fine wine.
/coop
March 6th, 2013 at 2:06 PM
I don’t consider myself a metal expert at all, music or the material, but even I can see that that is an awfully bold statement.
not really. people over time have just decided RTL is the be all end all when in reality it is boring and sounds like a group of junior high kids sang it.
MOP to me is when they got good.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:07 PM
Aren’t those guys classically trained? As in, they actually took professional lessons?
March 6th, 2013 at 2:07 PM
Think it’s the middle eastern version? Instead of commercials they just show highlights and E-60 pieces you yankee slag.
That wouldn’t be bad.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:07 PM
letter to the pittsburghites 4:1-9.
“and the lord spake, may not your steel, your iron, your titanium be poured into preset molds, for it is My word that says thine shall always stamp thy intended shape from a solid block. and it was so.”
March 6th, 2013 at 2:07 PM
MOP to me is when they got good.
I’ll agree that MOP is their peak, if that’s what you’re saying.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:08 PM
letter to the pittsburghites 4:1-9.
“and the lord spake, may not your steel, your iron, your titanium be poured into preset molds, for it is My word that says thine shall always stamp thy intended shape from a solid block. and it was so.”
I have no response to this. Solid work.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:08 PM
i do consider myself a metal expert and will go to my grave believing that forged is better than cast.
mizuno cast > most forgings.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:08 PM
He would be dead after a burst stomach ulcer, or from starvation after being unable to digest food properly.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:08 PM
not really sure, to be honest…but in any event, bruce was still running around the stage waving that giant union jack flag as of last summer. he hasn’t changed a bit…well, aside from getting his pilot’s license and flying Eddie Force One into whatever area of the world just had a natural disaster.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:08 PM
Kidnap that fool?
March 6th, 2013 at 2:10 PM
Male rock singers tend to age poorly. See also: Keenan, Maynard James
I’m fine with Tool hanging it up for good. The last two tours were basically the same 10 song set list every night. I’m pretty sure Maynard just tours when his desert winery needs subsidized. He truly acts like he is going through the motions.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:10 PM
I’ll agree that MOP is their peak, if that’s what you’re saying.
justice is their peak, but MOP was the climb up the peak.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:10 PM
bruce was still running around the stage waving that giant union jack flag as of last summer
What a fucking cunt.
/soused
March 6th, 2013 at 2:10 PM
lol, i kid. ping s56′s are cast and feel softer than titleist’s forged irons, in my opinion. i think it’s kind of an overblown debate, to be honest.
that said, mizuno’s definitely are the shiznittle bam snip snap sack.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:10 PM
justice is their peak, but MOP was the climb up the peak.
Agree to disagree. I like Justice but I just don’t see that as their best work.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:11 PM
I’m fine with Tool hanging it up for good. The last two tours were basically the same 10 song set list every night.
that sucks to hear. tool is one of my favorite bands, and i have never seen them live.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:12 PM
metallica album ranking
master of puppets
kill em all’
garage days ep
justice
ride the lightning
black
anything after that doesn;t count
yes i know the ep has only five songs, but throw in blitzkrieg and am i evil, and i’m all set
March 6th, 2013 at 2:13 PM
Late to this, but I expected an entire thread of espn hate and that’s exactly what I got. Y’alls a bunch of bitchin’ folks
March 6th, 2013 at 2:13 PM
this is the choice of a true connoisseur. well done.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:14 PM
rolled >> forged > cast
/SCIENCE
March 6th, 2013 at 2:14 PM
They’re doing another album apparently, and yeah I seriously wish they’d just ditch him and do the album and tour with no vocals at all. They insist on doing Schism every show and it’s painful to listen to.
But holy shit was he a strong fucking singer back in the day.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:14 PM
that sucks to hear. tool is one of my favorite bands,
Same here. It is just one man’s opinion.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:14 PM
yes i know the ep has only five songs, but throw in blitzkrieg and am i evil, and i’m all set
breadfan makes my pants tight.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:15 PM
did you not see the bible quote in 135 above, fuckwit? religion > science.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:15 PM
/SCIENCE
I will always associate this meme with “Ringer > Wells”.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:15 PM
and all of the sudden we’re back on the same page again…breadfan and mizunos. guess that’s all it takes.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:17 PM
they did not have rolled shapes back in the Bible times, scarecrow. progress, amirite!? write.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:17 PM
this is the choice of a true connoisseur. well done.
helpless is just so turbo, for lack of a better term
March 6th, 2013 at 2:18 PM
and all of the sudden we’re back on the same page again…breadfan and mizunos. guess that’s all it takes
i am surprised you like breadfan. sounds like a bonus cut from justice.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:18 PM
phenomenal…you win with the “they didnt have dinosaurs in the bible” corollary.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:19 PM
yea, but that album was supposed to sound like crap.
and as bad as and justice was, NOTHING was more poorly recorded than st. anger. TURN THE SNARE MIC DOWN LARS.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:22 PM
well, they didn’t.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:22 PM
Some Kind of Monster was one of the best comedies of 2004. Poor Kirk.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:24 PM
Spencer I threw out some bait earlier about Pere Ubu but you did not bite. Considering your feelings for Beefheart, I imagine you cut Crocus Behemoth & Co. no slack, even if they are Clevelanders.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:24 PM
i like to imagine jesus as a frustrated time traveller dumped in an illiterate part of the world.
/pinches bridge of nose
“ok, one more time…if you stop being assholes to each other over arbitrary religious laws…OH COME ON PETER, how the fuck am i gonna fill my catering order with two fish and five loaves? and you drank all the fucking wine? COME ON! you know what? god told me he hates drunks.”
March 6th, 2013 at 2:25 PM
nada…honestly, never heard of him. i’ll have to check em out tonite.
/sends self email
March 6th, 2013 at 2:25 PM
http://www.livemetallica.com has old live shows for free downloads. 82 San Fran, 83 Cleveland. Great stuff.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:25 PM
This does not prevent Louisiana schools from teaching that Baby Jesus had a pet dinosaur.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:26 PM
haha…kirk, oh kirk. you inspired me to first pick up a guitar…perhaps you should’ve in the five years between S&M and st. anger.
/dude was RUSTY
March 6th, 2013 at 2:26 PM
/opens multiple Urban Dictionary tabs
March 6th, 2013 at 2:27 PM
Really? The best band to come out of NE Ohio since Crack the Sky?!
March 6th, 2013 at 2:28 PM
Kidnap that fool?
I’m glad I’m not the only one thinking Mash Out Posse every time “MOP” gets posted.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:29 PM
Spencer, “Final Solution” and “30 Seconds Over Tokyo” are good starting spots for Pere Ubu. Their late-’80s/early-’90s stuff is more accessible; heck, they were even getting appearances on Letterman then.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:29 PM
black keys are from NE Ohio and i like em plenty. NIN started in the cleve too. bobby womack.
but yea, never heard of em. it kinda sucks having such a wide range of music tastes since you miss a ton while looking elsewhere…i feel like i know jack shit about music.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:30 PM
Jesus was THE DOCTOR?!?
March 6th, 2013 at 2:31 PM
agreed you know jack shit about music.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:31 PM
Big fan of Black Keyes and Womack.
Auerbach did a great job producing Dr. John’s latest album.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:33 PM
it’s all relative yo…i CERTAINLY know more than you. your audio palate is GUTTER TRASH, miz. gutter trash.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:33 PM
nada…appreciate you giving the rec’s. saves me from diggin thru google.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:36 PM
you didn’t even know rolled stell wasn’t in the Bible. YOU KNOW NOTHING.
and my palate is hella refined. Ricky Skaggs and Kentucky Thunder? Mike Snider!? gtfo, ohninetysicks.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:38 PM
hahaha…clearly, im out of my league here. youre the stainless cardinal. the forged pontiff.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:42 PM
you don’t even know how much that means to me.
/bathes in respect and recognition I’m finally getting
March 6th, 2013 at 2:45 PM
miz…can you explain to me why, even tho they both use 1025 steel, mizuno irons feel softer than titleist irons? and why 1025 mizunos feel softer than callaways that use 1020 steel? not sure if youd know why, but generally, ive assumed that the lower the 10–, the softer it’d feel.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:46 PM
are the outside diameters, inside diameters, tapers, and lengths of the shafts you mentioned the exact same?
March 6th, 2013 at 2:49 PM
ah…excellent point. assuming length, lie and lofts are all the same…the differences in blade length, shape and amount of material in the ‘muscleback’ and probably the forging process are where the intangible differences lie.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:52 PM
spencer – by the way, there’s a range of properties that fall within an ASTM 1020 designation. for example, here are the ranges:
Carbon, C 0.17 – 0.230 %
Iron, Fe 99.08 – 99.53 %
Manganese, Mn 0.30 – 0.60 %
Phosphorous, P <= 0.040 %
Sulfur, S <= 0.050 %
changing the carbon content from 0.17% to 0.23% is a 35% increase in carbon content. both can still be ASTM 1020, but that range could be your softness difference between manufacturers.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:52 PM
/vomits
March 6th, 2013 at 2:54 PM
…assuming all dimensional properties remain constant (outside diameters, inside diameters, tapers, lengths, etc.).
March 6th, 2013 at 2:55 PM
and these properties could change with different forging processes? like how mizuno uses a “grain flow” process that supposedly reduces the little pockets of air in the metal?
March 6th, 2013 at 3:05 PM
grain flow is basically just the direction of the grain. think of it like cooking two pots of soup…in one pot, you stir the soup clockwise; in the other, counterclockwise with an up and down motion that allows vertical mixing as well as rotational. both have the same ingredients, but they are mixed differently and may taste slightly different.
now, turn up the heat on one of them and more water evaporates out. now, you have varying properties. one is an ASTM 1020 vegetable soup and the other is an ASTM 1026 vegetable soup.
also, if mizuno claims their grain flow process reduces air, they are producing a denser steel. the same weight mizuno shaft could have a smaller cross sectional area of steel than a competitor’s. that changes the stiffness of the shaft too.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:22 PM
total c&p jobs^^
March 10th, 2013 at 4:54 AM
Geesh what a mistake! Surely ESPN will reconsider? I cannot believe that there wouldn’t be a revolt within the ranks of ESPN if Olbermann is allowed to come back……Here’s one less viewer of ESPN if Olbermann returns to ESPN. I quit watching NBC Sports (even their NFL coverage) when Olbermann was a part of any broadcast.