The NFL Must Become More Proactive on Gay Rights
Homophobia has been hitting the NFL newswires lately. Chris Culliver made his obtuse comment during the Super Bowl lead up. Mike Florio described how NFL Teams were concerned about Manti Te’o's sexuality. Colorado tight end Nick Kasa was asked if he liked girls during an NFL Combine interview. This retrograde combination of incidents should be worrisome, but the Shield’s response has thus far been perfunctory and minimal.
Jason Whitlock points out the league could and should have done more. It’s tough to argue with him. You can’t criticize the NFL for not being a progressive force on gay rights. But weighed against other sports leagues and the mainstream business community, the league’s inaction is making it a regressive one.
David Stern set the tone on gay issues for the NBA. It has been almost two years since he fined Kobe Bryant $100,000 for directing a gay slur at a referee. He was both personally and publicly supportive of openly gay executive Rick Welts when he came out of the closet. Welts is now the team president of the Golden State Warriors.
Don Garber, a former NFL executive, has set a similar tone for MLS. Former USMNT and MLS star Robbie Rogers abruptly came out of the closet and quit soccer. Garber tweeted his support for Rogers. If that did not move the meter, it was only because the outpouring of support from MLS players, clubs and fans was strong and immediate.
Even if one assumes the NBA and MLS to be activist libertines, the NFL is behind the mainstream corporate community. Three hundred businesses lent their names to a legal brief arguing against the Defense of Marriage Act. Other major corporations are challenging Proposition 8 in California.
Contrasted with these efforts, NFL actions have been week and ineffectual. The 49ers did damage control with Culliver. A scathing fine or suspension would have sent a message. The league did neither. When the Te’o and Kasa stories came out, with league officials all but implying that being gay was a defect, the league released an impersonal statement, affirming that league policy conformed with anti-discrimination laws. That heavy hand Roger Goodell has been pilloried for using elsewhere was lamentably absent.
The league escapes scrutiny, with the buck passed mostly to the players. We’re told they are the villains. They could not handle an openly gay man in the locker room. We won’t delude ourselves into thinking NFL (or other) locker rooms are bastions of political correctness and tolerance, but that argument is a cop out.
A majority of Americans now favor the legalization of gay marriage, with even prominent Republicans coming out in support. Among those under 30, the percentage climbs to around 70 percent. Most professional athletes are under 30. Quite a few of them, including Kenneth Faried, Brendon Ayanbedejo, Chris Kluwe and Donte Whitner, have spoken out in favor of tolerance and gay rights. That’s not to say league rosters don’t have their share of homophobes, but the demographics suggest there would be more hostility to gay rights in league front offices than on the field.
If we can presume there are closeted players, we can presume there are players who are aware of said players’ private lives and are unfazed. We can presume there are players with relatives and friends who are gay. We can also presume there are players who, whatever their beliefs, aren’t inclined to be assholes in day to day interactions. Some players, like Mr. Whitlock, might even have learned something from The Wire.
As Charles Barkley pointed out with characteristic bluntness, he has played with gay teammates, every player has probably played with gay teammates and what matters is whether a guy can play. Professional athletes do ridiculous things with alarming frequency, but they are still people. Many of them have dealt with far more from life than those who write about them.
Some may find the notion of a gay player in a locker room salacious. It might create a “media circus.” But judging from other segments of society, it would be far less shocking than some anticipate. The sport’s fabric would not be torn apart. It would not need to be a great player to go down smoothly. The first player to come out from the closet would receive substantial support from fans and from colleagues. The most ostracized person would be the first idiot who said something loathsome.
No player in a major American sports league has come out and kept playing while active. That’s not, as Tony Dungy suggests, because American pro sports leagues aren’t ready for it. We don’t want to minimize the fear of a backlash – propriety can’t protect a player on the field or when the media are shut out of the locker room – but we would suspect many players have internal reasons for staying silent.
Being a professional athlete is hard enough. Not everyone is able or willing to withstand the added scrutiny of being an icon. People come out of the closet to seize autonomy over their personal lives. Becoming the first active gay player in major American sports would mean ceding that autonomy. Unlike Jackie Robinson, they don’t need to do so to pursue their profession.
The NFL may be fostering a hostile environment for a gay player to leave the closet. That starts at the top, when the league has a chance to take a firm stand and stays silent. For an organization like the NFL with such a broad social import, that is unacceptable.
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February 28th, 2013 at 2:42 PM
If the NFL supports gay rights I wouldn’t let my kids play football. It wouldn’t be safe.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:42 PM
Overblown. They just wanted to know if he liked the HBO show. Geez.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:43 PM
nicely done duff
February 28th, 2013 at 2:44 PM
Former USMNT and MLS star Robbie Rogers abruptly came out of the closet and quit soccer. If that did not move the meter, it was only because the outpouring of support from MLS players, clubs and fans was strong and immediate.
I’ve got an alternative theory on why that didn’t move the meter.
Good work duffy.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:46 PM
If the NFL supports gay rights I wouldn’t let my kids play football. It wouldn’t be safe.
it’s not the huge highlight statements that do the damage, tst. it’s the hundreds of under the breath comments in practice
February 28th, 2013 at 2:46 PM
Chances are, if you like Girls, you don’t like girls.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:47 PM
Taguchi on fire.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:48 PM
I love my dead gay libertine NFL commiossioner.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:50 PM
i gotta believe endorsement opportunities for the first out of the coset in a major sport would be rich. if, you know, the corporate america that fights the defense of marriage act puts its money where its briefs are
February 28th, 2013 at 2:51 PM
It might create a “media circus.”
I’ll assume this is some sort of soccer jargon that I wouldn’t understand, hence the quotation marks.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:51 PM
No mention of the You Can Play project that NHL players do work with? Fuck off.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:52 PM
Chances are, if you like Girls, you don’t like girls.
I would like Girls a lot better if Hannah was played by Brian Williams’ daughter, and she got superfluously naked every week.
Or if some other ultra hot chick was in the lead. Because then, it would just be Life on Top, with hipsters.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:54 PM
tbf, vladdy, the NHL doesn;t get mentioned here period
February 28th, 2013 at 2:55 PM
Red Wings are awful so he doesn’t give a shit about hockey or its decadent homosexuals anymore.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:55 PM
I would like Girls a lot better if Hannah was played by Brian Williams’ daughter, and she got superfluously naked every week.
Or if some other ultra hot chick was in the lead. Because then, it would just be Life on Top, with hipsters.
lena’s ‘boobs’ are making a mockery of the female form
February 28th, 2013 at 2:56 PM
I don’t think we’ll see an active athlete in a major sport publicly come out (on a national level) for a while.
What is the upside? Yes, you would be a pioneer, but not everyone is looking to achieve martyrdom. The media spotlight would be nothing less than suffocating, your performance on the field would forever take a backseat, and you would have to deal with stress from interacting with people like Chris Culliver.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:57 PM
Agreed. Holland needs to start trading everyone away soon. Want Franzen?
/Death for Seth
February 28th, 2013 at 2:57 PM
I want to believe this, but I don’t for one second believe this. Fans, I don’t care, but with the colleagues, I would have to imagine that any closeted players in the lockerroom has a much better feel on this than we do.
Otherwise, good piece.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:57 PM
Didn’t move the needle and/or meter.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:58 PM
The media spotlight would be nothing less than suffocating,
for a month. then, where does it go there’s only so much you can ask
obvioously it’s generational, so this is when not if, but i just don’t think the coverage will be too much for too long
February 28th, 2013 at 2:59 PM
C’mon Brian Burke walking in some gay pride parade has to get it moving.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:59 PM
Some guy named gay pride parade?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:00 PM
Starting to think Season 3 isn’t coming, tragic
True, you’d hope that the Gareth Thomas thing would be echoed over here but I don’t know if the cultures are anything alike
February 28th, 2013 at 3:01 PM
Here is more on the You Can Play project.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:01 PM
If they’re awful what word can be used to describe Columbus?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:02 PM
I have an idea.
Fine each NFL team a million dollars a week until they out their homosexuals. Then, we’ll be able to accept them.
Because almost certainly, when some football player says he’s a homo, football fans will love him even more. Because nobody hates the gays anymore.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:03 PM
I don’t disagree, but part of me wishes that the Gareth Thomas interview on Real Sports becomes required viewing at spring training, minicamp, training camp, etc…force athletes to acknowledge they will be or already have been playing with a gay teammate. Maybe something like this has already been implemented.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:03 PM
lena’s ‘boobs’ are making a mockery of the female form
it’s what keeps men from being able to criticize the show. Once you mention this, you’re just a sexist pig and your opinions otherwise are invalid.
She’s working a hustle (but judging by that body shape, it’s the first time she’s ever hustled in her life)
February 28th, 2013 at 3:03 PM
Why do they have to be proactive on gay rights? Which, what are gay rights as they relate to football specifically? Why not have a goal that essentially doesn’t force bad situations for gays people and gives them a reasonable chance of succeeding if they choose to come out? That’s not being proactive, it’s just being rational.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:04 PM
By Detroit’s standards yeah they’re awful.
Columbus can best be described as “who?”
February 28th, 2013 at 3:05 PM
What, specifically, do you want the NFL to do? They can levy fines and suspend players, but what sort of proactive work do you want them to do? Specifically, please.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:06 PM
it’s what keeps men from being able to criticize the show. Once you mention this, you’re just a sexist pig and your opinions otherwise are invalid.
marriage is liberating. i told her i was a pig from the getgo
February 28th, 2013 at 3:06 PM
Sometimes I find it hard to believe that ugly people have sex too
February 28th, 2013 at 3:06 PM
“So he’s proactive?”
“Oh god yes.”
/20% rastafized
February 28th, 2013 at 3:06 PM
Why do they have to be proactive on gay rights?
so that this….
gives them a reasonable chance of succeeding if they choose to come out?
is remotely possible.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:06 PM
Nice piece, Duffy.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:07 PM
Remember when Ellen was a lesbian? It was on the cover of TVGuide (an important magazine). My grandmother had to read about it. And she got Mariel Hemingway involved. I’m just saying, look before you leap, is all.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:07 PM
Sometimes I find it hard to believe that ugly people have sex too
i know! and then to show us! fucking nerve
February 28th, 2013 at 3:08 PM
Good job, Duffy…
Now lets talk about how bad Whitlock’s column was.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:08 PM
But why isn’t it remotely possible now? Because NFL executives are against it? I doubt it. Because the public is against it? I doubt it. Because players are against it en masse? Maybe. So then why force the players into a proactive role if they don’t want to be proactive about it?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:08 PM
but what sort of proactive work do you want them to do? Specifically, please.
he mentioned suppressing the use of offensive terms with fines. seminars on tolerance. Trust falls onto beds of piping hot penises. You know, regular stuff.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:08 PM
Really? And why not? They’re powerful enough that they most certainly could be a progressive force if they chose to. They shape, cultivate and set the culture as much as anyone else. And therefore, since they have done little to nothing, they deserve some criticism.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:09 PM
#freethegays
February 28th, 2013 at 3:10 PM
Tolerance camp. That’s funny.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:11 PM
Echoing what others have said…..what are you looking for the league to do, Duffy? Another rookie seminar? Making gay slurs an on-field penalty? What would you propose?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:11 PM
piping hot penises
i’m committed to shining base path so someone please use this
February 28th, 2013 at 3:11 PM
Has anyone listened to the Grantland women’s podcast yet? I liked it. Lots of giggling. They enjoy Girls and so do I, is the connection you see.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:12 PM
Another rookie seminar?
you mean semenar
what kind of picture would joe garagiola scare players with annually?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:13 PM
I will say I was having a problem differentiating Tess Lynch’s giggle, the one I want to have sex with, from Katie Bakes and Emily Yoshida’s giggles, both of whom I do not want to have sex with, lest you think I’m not still a man even though I enjoy female oriented pop culture podcasts and Girls.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:13 PM
It’s also a non-starter. Do you really think a closeted gay player in the NFL is going think culture has changed when the execs fine a guy $50,000 for saying “fag,” when it gets picked up on a hot mic, but the same guy still uses the term colloquially in the locker room? It’s not like a show of force is going to change the way people think.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:15 PM
This entire piece is one giant non-starter from the PC Police.
You must define “gay rights” as it relates to the NFL and league management, and how they are not being “pro-active”, whatever that means.
Chris Culliver said, rather “inartfully”, that he would be uncomfortable with having a gay teammate. He’s the one who comes off like the jackass. But it’s Goodell’s fault for not slapping a fine on him for the guy expressing his opinion?
Some people value their right to say something ignorant — without fear of financial retribution from their employer — more so than others.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:16 PM
Looks like ritty beat me to it.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:16 PM
so, what now? are we saying that being gay now is harder than being black in the 1940s/50s? i mean, is some grumbling or namecalling all that’s keeping a guy from coming out? is there fear of physical assault?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:17 PM
A fine on Culliver? That’s what has some of us concerned. Any talk of being against homosexuality will so be treated as worthy of punishment. This from the guardians of “free speech.”
February 28th, 2013 at 3:18 PM
showing more support in a pro-active manner can’t hurt the NFL so why not make a strong statement? can it hurt?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:19 PM
Especially if they can squeeze out some more money from fans!
February 28th, 2013 at 3:20 PM
This. If we knew who was gay, and approached them about “what can the NFL do for you” (which is demeaning in its own right), what do you think they’d say? I bet the overwhelming response would be “leave us the hell alone and don’t draw attention to it. It’s a non-issue”. You think that by having classes and seminars and rules in place will change peoples opinion on a subject such as this? It seams the only thing they can do is discipline public remarks or actions that fly in the face of civil tolerance. Sounds an awful lot like what they already do.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:20 PM
This huge fat lady just walked by my office and my first thought was how the heck someone that large has sex. I guess the correct answer is she doesn’t, but if she had the opportunity how would it work?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:20 PM
But what the hell does the NFL have to do with gay rights? And I still don’t know what gay rights are. Marriage? Is that it? The NFL already can’t discriminate. Why would they bother entering the fray? What’s next? League documents on campaign finance reform?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:20 PM
The government’s not throwing them in jail for it, the NFL has the right to police itself as it pleases…suspending Culliver from the Super Bowl would have been fun, lord knows it wouldn’t have affected the 49er secondary play anyhow
February 28th, 2013 at 3:20 PM
If the NYT reports “dozens” of “prominent” Republicans support gay marriage then it must be true.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:21 PM
As it relates to the NFL, it means absolutely nothing. It’s a buzz term that liberals use to make them feel better about themselves.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:22 PM
Can we get some affirmative action in the NFL? Not enough Asians and Latinos. We need some social justice.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:23 PM
I think the argument to be made on the league side of the issue is whether they are doing enough to foster a non threatening workplace environment. Duffy obviously does not think that they are.
This is absolutely a fair point. The locker room thing is one of the biggest issues the You Can Play campaign deals with and it calls on team leaders to be the ones who are proactive in putting down calling someone a faggot in the lockerroom. Something as simple as getting rid of using the slang for being a jackass as “faggot” can make a difference in terms of people feeling more comfortable.
The league has a role to play but if the players don’t police themselves than it will not matter what the league does.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:24 PM
I’m almost ready for blanket acceptance of the “gay platform” just to see the next big civil issue the bleeding hearts flock to.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:24 PM
“Gay rights” is a pretty shitty way of labeling this issue. It’s a workplace discrimination issue.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:24 PM
Also, this post has turned into the classic “duffy doesn’t have an answer or fully formed opinion, so he doesn’t show up to discuss the topic in the comments”. Hell, I’d be happy with an answer to: what are gay rights?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:25 PM
If gay people is the current subject at this moment I think it is the perfect time to say I watched In & Out the other day, and it is an underrated riot. Even with Tom Selleck sans mustache.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:26 PM
If the NYT reports “dozens” of “prominent” Republicans support gay marriage then it must be true.
This from “the newspaper of record.”
February 28th, 2013 at 3:26 PM
Yuuuuuuuupppppp
February 28th, 2013 at 3:26 PM
Uh I can field this.
Gay rights, in an overarching sense, means being treated as equal regardless of your sexual orientation.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:27 PM
You’re so brave. Need some wax for that cross?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:28 PM
I’m almost ready for blanket acceptance of the “gay platform” just to see the next big civil issue the bleeding hearts flock to.
I can’t wait to see who else I think should be treated fairly and equally. Will it be the elderly? I certainly hope not.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:29 PM
It’s comforting to know that with the death of Baby Boomers society will improve
February 28th, 2013 at 3:29 PM
equal pay for women. Any enlightening ideas?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:29 PM
I agree, which is why I say “gay rights” in quotations, because there is no such thing as “gay rights.” People have rights. It’s about the gays equal access to them, of which they have 100% equality in the NFL. Yeah, the questions in interviews are questionable, but only if that information is used against them, otherwise, how would it be different than asking for race on an application?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:30 PM
It’s comforting to know that with the death of Baby Boomers society will improve
We all already knew that. Except for Tom Hanks. We must save him. Perhaps he can be a rallying cry for the Elderly Rights movement.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:30 PM
Shocking that Mike NYC and rittyrich are opposing the people supporting gay rights.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:30 PM
Those bleeding hearts, wanting everyone to be treated fairly and equally. Me thinks they need to grab those bootstraps and stop digging their grubby little hands into my wallet.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:30 PM
Come on. It was a joke.
I do think the elderly should be a bigger societal issue. As we go forward, their population is only going to increase without the infrastructure to support them.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:31 PM
Do better at your job, lady…?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:32 PM
I just think people who are homosexual should be able to do what they want without ridicule or the threat of violence because WHO GIVES A FUCK? However, there shouldn’t be crimes designated as hate crimes that have a higher sentencing rate than a same crime that has happened to someone who was straight.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:33 PM
The NFL needs to be more proactive on animal rights.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:34 PM
I do think the elderly should be a bigger societal issue.
they are certainly under-marketed to by brands. one could do very well starting an ad/marketing agency specializing in the ag-ed.
they have money, time, and are increasingly knowledgeable with tech, yet are still treated like cripples physically and mentally
February 28th, 2013 at 3:35 PM
However, there shouldn’t be crimes designated as hate crimes that have a higher sentencing rate than a same crime that has happened to someone who was straight.
as soon as folks are attacked because they are straight, i agree
February 28th, 2013 at 3:35 PM
Logan’s Run. Problem solved.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:38 PM
Well your reason for attacking someone was way stupider than that guy’s reason for attacking someone.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:38 PM
Wasn’t that the prequel to In Time
February 28th, 2013 at 3:38 PM
Define “gay rights” as it relates to the NFL.
Anyone?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:40 PM
equal pay for women. Any enlightening ideas?
Time and half for making the sandwiches?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:44 PM
Well your reason for attacking someone was way stupider than that guy’s reason for attacking someone.
can you explain differently?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhiCFdWeQfA
February 28th, 2013 at 3:47 PM
Why is it worse if someone attacks someone because they are gay than if they attack someone because they wanted to steal their wallet? OH THEY ATTACKED THEM WITH HATE IN THEIR HEART. WELL IN THAT CASE.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:48 PM
I don’t think “sexual oreientation” is a constitutionally protected class like race and gender, but I could be wrong. The libertarian reponse is to let them discriminate and let the market punish them. Because the %50 of people, and %70 of people under thirty, will stop watching the NFL, right?
/Agrees with Duffy Burke
//Boycott the NFL
February 28th, 2013 at 3:52 PM
As it relates to any workplace: no disparate treatment based on sexual orientation.
But
Is correct. Sexual orientation is not strictly recognized as a class in terms of the EEOC and whatnot yet but that is changing.
Also the argument of “the legal rights don’t exist yet so there are no rights” is some micky mouse lazy bullshit for whomever is about to use it.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:52 PM
Why is it worse if someone attacks someone because they are gay than if they attack someone because they wanted to steal their wallet? OH THEY ATTACKED THEM WITH HATE IN THEIR HEART. WELL IN THAT CASE.
does this apply to attacks for race?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:52 PM
Any GMs/personnel people who asked a player about their orientation at the combine should be fired. It’s against the law (perceived discrimination). Unless an employer can provide an exemption (i.e. a evangelical church not hiring a homosexual employee on religious basis), you cannot ask about a candidate’s sexual orientation. Treated same as age, gender, marriage, religion, disability, etc
February 28th, 2013 at 3:52 PM
the latter is a crime for financial gain, the former is attacking someone simply because they exist. how can you not tell the difference?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:53 PM
Define “gay rights” as it relates to the NFL.
Anyone?
Don’t have the answer to this, but I can define “Douche Bag” pretty clearly
February 28th, 2013 at 3:54 PM
Chinese buffett lingering from last night. Blah
February 28th, 2013 at 3:56 PM
I was shocked to learn you can’t ask someone if they’re a legal US citizen. The fuck? How long has that been the case?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:59 PM
Sweet, You Can Play has patches for jerseys, just ordered a few of those for mine.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:59 PM
well you’d know once you did a background check or looked at their IDs
February 28th, 2013 at 4:02 PM
Okay. Now for Duffy: how can the NFL be more “proactive” on this?
February 28th, 2013 at 4:03 PM
another media member who cannot correctly use homophobia in a sentence.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:05 PM
“Gay rights, in an overarching sense, means being treated as equal regardless of your sexual orientation.”
By whom? And in what capacities? You cannot legislate against personal prejudice. However, you can suppress it… I suppose. Perhaps the NFL can suppress anything a designated authority on homosexual prejudice deems to be egregious via fines, suspensions, or reprimands in the form of a Goodell slap to the ass of the offender.
I find that many would be much more accepting of the homosexual activism if their goal was truly acceptance rather than validation.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:05 PM
Mandatory viewings of The Wire, I guess.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:06 PM
I have to say, the dash is unnecessary.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:08 PM
What if it was matt; ??
February 28th, 2013 at 4:09 PM
Taguchi is killing it in this post.
/free Taguchi!
//is he free now?
February 28th, 2013 at 4:09 PM
matt- Says:
I have to say, the dash is unnecessary.
It’s called ‘panache’. A straight like you wouldn’t understand.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:10 PM
Fat people are the WORST
February 28th, 2013 at 4:10 PM
Speak for yourself!
February 28th, 2013 at 4:11 PM
Great work TBL. Duffy with a piece calling for more understanding and accepting of people’s sexual preference in the country’s most popular sport league right above a mocking photo of Brady Quinn dressed up as one of Village People.
Good Job, Good Effort.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:14 PM
Fat people are the WORST
Especially ones that have an irrational hatred of Kate Upton.
/glares at one Timothy Ryan
February 28th, 2013 at 4:14 PM
i agree. i wish someone would have told my parents (for the record. that would be my father and mother)
nobody is scared of someone with two dads or two moms. not like they are scared of roller coasters or heights or spiders. Its just weird thats all.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:15 PM
So was that 2nd cupcake you had after lunch, fatty.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:16 PM
i wish someone would have told my parents (for the record. that would be my father and mother)
/makes a note that ‘matt-’ is eager for everyone to know that he is ‘normal’.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:17 PM
i’m totally straight guys! one mom and one dad! nothing weird going on here, no sir!
/matt-
February 28th, 2013 at 4:17 PM
now we know why he has so many scarves…
February 28th, 2013 at 4:22 PM
I was shocked to learn you can’t ask someone if they’re a legal US citizen. The fuck? How long has that been the case?
Yeah, but at some point they have to fill out the I-9 form and provide proof of legal residency.
You can’t ask someone their age or health status either, but the NFL clearly doesn’t have a problem what with the invasive physicals at the combine and rules on how old you have to be to join the league.
The NFL is a world unto itself.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:24 PM
my mistake. the concept of having “parents” of the same sex is completely natural and is a rational type of behavior necessary in order for humanity to reproduce and survive. Anyone who disagrees with this is a homophobe and is being insensitive and narrow-minded
/a person with a non-functioning brain
February 28th, 2013 at 4:24 PM
Has anyone talked about Chris Johnson being a total moron?
February 28th, 2013 at 4:26 PM
Using your rational matt-, blowjobs are an abnormal sexual act as well since they don’t lead to reproduction. If you live in a blowjobless household then I feel sorry for you. But if you do, then that would explain why you’re so uptight.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:26 PM
matt- 40 years ago. or maybe still now, who knows.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:28 PM
I NEED MY MONEY
February 28th, 2013 at 4:29 PM
\
Vatican City – the secret blowjob household
February 28th, 2013 at 4:31 PM
This is 100% factually wrong by the way. The NFL isn’t a “world unto itself” they’re allowed to ask things relating to medical conditions and disabilities because there’s a built in “job related necessity” exemption to the ADA and EEOC.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:31 PM
February 28th, 2013 at 4:32 PM
I read everything again and still dont see why the NFL has to do anything. And i don’t understand how stern fining kobe 100K somehow means they support homosexuality. The NBA didn’t fine Nate Robinson for yelling out “My N****” live on tv, does that mean they are racist? Of course not. Thats a pretty lazy way to judge a league’s tolerance, or lack thereof
February 28th, 2013 at 4:35 PM
a rational type of behavior
Other rational types of behavior:
Investing in gold
Enjoying alliteration
spaying and neutering your pets
Drinking Mountain Dew as a sign your “with it”
Tying an onion to your belt, as is the style in these days
Koala bears
Giving somebody a handsy cause they’re feeling down
Refusing to vaccinate your children
Writing a novel without verbs
If it wasn’t for your horse, you wouldn’t have spent that year in college
Asking Mr. Gunthry just what he did mean by “sweet, sweet can”
Planting a nice herb garden
Becoming a modern pentathalon enthusiast
Abstract art
February 28th, 2013 at 4:36 PM
“Some people value their right to say the n-word – without fear of financial retribution from their employer – more so than others.”
Glad people weren’t as lazy in the 1960s as they are now when it comes to creating a viable work environment for people of all races.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:37 PM
February 28th, 2013 at 4:39 PM
/standing ovation
February 28th, 2013 at 4:42 PM
/dying
February 28th, 2013 at 4:43 PM
Other rational types of behavior:
Investing in gold
Enjoying alliteration
spaying and neutering your pets
Drinking Mountain Dew as a sign your “with it”
Tying an onion to your belt, as is the style in these days
Koala bears
Giving somebody a handsy cause they’re feeling down
Refusing to vaccinate your children
Writing a novel without verbs
If it wasn’t for your horse, you wouldn’t have spent that year in college
Asking Mr. Gunthry just what he did mean by “sweet, sweet can”
Planting a nice herb garden
Becoming a modern pentathalon enthusiast
Abstract art
This is just a good, solid effort here.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:44 PM
anytime you quote Lewis Black, you win.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:45 PM
late to this, but Culliver’s comments were during Super Bowl Media Day, if I wasn’t mistaken. next time you’re at a work-related function, talk loudly and openly about how you refuse to work with gay people, and that any gay people in your workplace need to “get up outta here.” I’m sure it will go over great.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:46 PM
“What the fuck is context?”
— matt-
February 28th, 2013 at 4:47 PM
Has there ever been a study on if the children of same sex couples are more likely to be gay in their adult life?
February 28th, 2013 at 4:48 PM
That would get a standing ovation at my company.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:48 PM
who wants to get bit by a gay guy?
/besides HTownHacker
February 28th, 2013 at 4:48 PM
I believe there have been studies and no link was found.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:49 PM
i was thinking that. I only know one person who has same-sex parents. He is straight.
/small sample size
February 28th, 2013 at 4:49 PM
I was waiting for you to add:
//as long as he’s not white
February 28th, 2013 at 4:50 PM
damnit, I’m slipping.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:53 PM
Htown any thoughts you can share from your perspective? a pretty spirited discussion about this from a bunch of straight people (we’re assuming)
February 28th, 2013 at 4:54 PM
Has there ever been a study on if the children of same sex couples are more likely to be gay in their adult life?
I believe there have been studies and no link was found.
I’m not sure what others think of this, but I’m of the school of thought that homosexuality is not a learned behavior but is innate, just as heterosexuality is.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:58 PM
Thanks Htown. Was wondering because of my students has 2 moms, and definitely showcases some gay tendencies. I dunno how sure she can be at age 14, but I assume it happens a different times for different people.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:04 PM
I missed it until just now, but usually just lurk anyway.
I understand Duffy’s point but also see where Ritty and Mike are coming from. I don’t know exactly what concrete steps the NFL can take to foster an environment which would make a gay player comfortable in coming out. I don’t feel that comments like Culliver’s should result in a fine, honestly.
I think society at large has really changed rapidly in their feelings about gay people and their rights and will continue to move in that direction. Would an NFL player coming out hasten things? Maybe, maybe not. But I’m more of the opinion to let things continue to progress naturally. I’m not really sure what the NFL is doing to impede progress in that area.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:05 PM
Interesting story out of Colorado about a transgender elementary student, via CNN
February 28th, 2013 at 5:05 PM
My son has two dads (and we’re possibly getting another son), and I certainly hope with every fiber of my being that he turns out to be straight.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:06 PM
WAIT, WHAT?
February 28th, 2013 at 5:07 PM
Everyone knows you only become gay through gay Scoutmasters.
/ddmcd1974
February 28th, 2013 at 5:07 PM
I can tell the difference..but the action is the same regardless of reason. “Well you killed someone for money..in that case..eh..you get 8 years…you on the other hand..you monster..you killed someone based on their sexual preference..which is WAY WAY worser than what the first guy did because his reason is kinda good…brothas broke these days, holla nahmean? So you get 16 years.”
February 28th, 2013 at 5:07 PM
I think there is a considerable amount of evidence that supports that thinking, but the brain is pretty weird, so who the hell knows. I think we’ve at least come to the conclusion it’s not really a ‘choice’, whether it’s a genetic predisposition at birth, or there are events which hard-wire it late in life, as with many phenotypes.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:09 PM
So Ray Lewis should be all about gay rights then, right, since “god doesn’t make mistakes”?
February 28th, 2013 at 5:10 PM
Does that make a difference?
February 28th, 2013 at 5:10 PM
I think there is a considerable amount of evidence that supports that thinking, but the brain is pretty weird, so who the hell knows. I think we’ve at least come to the conclusion it’s not really a ‘choice’, whether it’s a genetic predisposition at birth, or there are events which hard-wire it late in life, as with many phenotypes.
Good to know. My basis for being in that school of thought is my wife’s brother. He was a horribly depressed individual and hated that he was homosexual because he didn’t feel accepted. He led a pretty self-destructive life until he finally committed suicide one week to the day after my wife and I got engaged.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:10 PM
Yeah, we have a 2.5 year old son. And a new Vietnamese kid just got placed in the agency we used. My better half is Vietnamese and really wants this kid. But a lot of dominoes would have to fall first.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:11 PM
One is because the criminal doesn’t think of the other person as a human being, the other is because they weren’t paid enough of a stipend to buy their own snacks and really is a victim of the system not of their own criminal behavior.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:11 PM
My better half is Vietnamese
Go on….
/Husker
February 28th, 2013 at 5:11 PM
i know. I was doing it for comedic effect. Failed.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:12 PM
beat me to it.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:13 PM
The thought of anyone feeling like this depresses me. There is nothing I hate more than people (read: Christians) who deny the humanity of others, whether it’s hating gays, or thinking it’s okay to live in a society where people starve to death or die of completely preventable causes.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:13 PM
Didn’t know that. Sad story. Who knows…if I had ended up (more?) feminine my life might have turned out similarly.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:14 PM
Welp, that does it for me. Mullet out.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:14 PM
I would argue that intent is important. you seem to be implying that someone who kills in self-defense should be treated the same as the guys who killed James Byrd because, hell, ultimately they killed someone and that’s bad.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:14 PM
I wonder about this… a friend of a friend in college was gay, and I couldn’t stand the dude. Nothing to do with being gay, but he used to go around getting trashed and obnoxious and grabbing girls breasts because “it’s okay I’m gay”. I’m sure he had to deal with a lot of shit, but I found that incredibly annoying to be around.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:15 PM
hey hey hey, I only deny YOUR PEOPLE! just kidding. I am ashamed of how other religious people treat others like shit because of their differences.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:15 PM
Htown is gay? Next thing I know, you’ll tell me that crackerjack is a woman
/paolo’d
February 28th, 2013 at 5:16 PM
It’s not the NFL’s place to speak on anyone’s personal life unless it violates a contract or the NFL’s code of conduct (i.e. getting arrested for possession, drunk driving, etc). The NFL’s and individual teams’ responsibility is to protect individuals from being harassed or discriminated against for their race or sexual orientation.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:18 PM
My wife is a Christian who also doesn’t understand why the Christian=republican and atheist=liberal stereotypes aren’t reversed. I know it’s unfair to paint that broad stroke, just to clarify.
Also… did I miss a discussion about the terrifying Mobutu column?
February 28th, 2013 at 5:19 PM
yeah, it’s pretty fucked up.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:21 PM
WWoS, you talking about the gawker piece?
February 28th, 2013 at 5:23 PM
Yeah. I had some stuff to do so was away from the computer. But a lot of it hit home to certain commenters here, and even wondering what exactly I’ve put into the interwebbing I’d like back.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:24 PM
I wanted to engage you on this, but then I think about those fuck sticks from westboro and just angry that you are more right than you should be.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:24 PM
it does. while I don’t think that the person killing for money “is a victim of the system not of their own criminal behavior,” their crime is at least in part due to unusual circumstances, while committing a hate crime, in theory, reveals a clear intent to harm someone.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:28 PM
Thankfully they are in the extreme minority. Here’s a great piece on a girl who took her sister and left the Westboro hate group
February 28th, 2013 at 5:28 PM
BrawnyTom – I get that. And I hope, for humanity’s sake, it’s a small percentage of people who ruin it for everyone, and give me a terribly inaccurate skewed view of religion. I genuinely hope I’m talking out of my ass.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:33 PM
I think for most if not all groups, the fanatical minorities from within cause them the most outrage from outsiders.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:34 PM
It’s frustrating that fanatical minorites are the largest voice heard.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:46 PM
Well the Catholic Church’s governing body views homosexuality as an abomination so I don’t give it a second thought in calling that belief system ass backwards…if individual members disagree with the teachings of the Church they should stop feeding it money and cease attending if they wish to be spared the broad brush of judgment
February 28th, 2013 at 6:19 PM
I’m not implying that at all.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:32 PM
Well the Catholic Church’s governing body views homosexuality as an abomination so I don’t give it a second thought in calling that belief system ass backwards…if individual members disagree with the teachings of the Church they should stop feeding it money and cease attending if they wish to be spared the broad brush of judgment
+1 wheel of cheese