Best Way to Pick Final Four Teams? Look at Ken Pomeroy’s Defensive Efficiency Numbers
Whether you’re pro stats (see, Jason Lisk & Mark Bashuk) or anti-stats (see, SI’s Seth Davis), there’s one set of numbers that, over the last five years, has been very predictive when it comes to finding out who will reach the Final Four: Ken Pomeroy’s defensive efficiency numbers. Here’s a breakdown from 2008-2012:
Of the last 20 Final Four teams …
* 9 of 20 (45%) have been in Ken Pom’s Top 5 for defensive efficiency
* 16 of 20 (80%) have been in Ken Pom’s Top 20 for defensive efficiency
* 18 of 20 (90%) have been in Ken Pom’s Top 30 for defensive efficiency
This is good news for Louisville, Florida, Wisconsin, Stephen F. Austin and Georgetown, who are all in the Top 5 right now.
[RELATED: The Florida Gators Are the Best Defensive Team College Basketball Has Had Since 2003]
Miami, Kansas, Pittsburgh, Oklahoma State and New Mexico round out the Top 10.
Best teams outside the Top 20? Duke (23), Gonzaga (24), Michigan (43), Butler (64), Notre Dame (112) and NC State (132).
Indiana, widely considered the best team in the country, is 13th.
Final Four teams over the last five years, followed by then Ken Pom defensive efficiency rating:
2012
Kentucky – 9
Louisville – 1
Kansas – 4
Ohio State – 2
2011
Connecticut – 14
Butler – 49
Kentucky – 15
VCU – 86
2010
Duke – 4
Butler – 5
West Virginia – 22
Michigan State – 30
2009
North Carolina – 16
Michigan State – 10
Connecticut – 3
Villanova – 15
2008
Kansas – 1
Memphis – 4
North Carolina – 19
UCLA – 3
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February 26th, 2013 at 3:04 PM
I’m pretty confident that ability to make the Final Four is most dependant on seeding, rather than nearly anything else. If you limited yourself to only 1 and 2 seeds, you usually would predict 1/2 to 3/4 of the teams. Obviously this doesn’t always bear out (see: 2008).
But…it’s probably more reliable than combing advanced stats.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:05 PM
/bookmarks link for money bracket next month
February 26th, 2013 at 3:10 PM
/Cancels flight to Atlanta.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:10 PM
Of the last 25 Final Four teams …
My brain is frozen right now. Shouldn’t that be an even number?
February 26th, 2013 at 3:12 PM
kc, nice win last night. i had money on ku and switched it off when isu hit the 3 to go up 87-82
February 26th, 2013 at 3:13 PM
Whoa. I just found my Cinderella. Fire up the carriage!
February 26th, 2013 at 3:14 PM
It’s also a five year sample (2008-2012).
5 x 4 = 25?
February 26th, 2013 at 3:16 PM
Sounds like some of that Mormon math Mole was talking about last night.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:17 PM
Ummm… maybe he only picked one from 2006?
February 26th, 2013 at 3:18 PM
Stone Cold Stephen F. Austin to the F4!
February 26th, 2013 at 3:19 PM
I recall a few of hitting on this point last tourney time. Better for exposing some frauds and finding some low-seed value than actually getting the FF teams.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:20 PM
This begs two questions:
First, how were these teams ranked in offensive efficiency? (I will try to calculate and get back to you)
Second, I’m assuming these efficiency numbers were end of the season numbers? In other words, they include the 4, 5, or 6 wins these final four teams had in the tournament? I wish we could look at pomeroy’s rankings right BEFORE the tournament started to see how truly predictive they are. Alas, I don’t know where to find these numbers.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:20 PM
LOLz.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:21 PM
Puts $100 on SFA.
/dougies
February 26th, 2013 at 3:22 PM
so the VP of Operations where i work just got done telling me about how he used to run operations to build Shelby’s for Carol Shelby. He said he used to have almost this exact car in his garage. cool ass conversation.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:22 PM
This was the one year that was an outlier it seems.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:22 PM
Butler
/
dusts dirt off shoulders
February 26th, 2013 at 3:22 PM
Nearly half of the final four teams listed are ranked lower in Ken Pom’s Def. than Indiana is this year (9 out of 20). That includes 2 out of the 5 champs. I like the Hoosiers chances.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:23 PM
kc, nice win last night.
Another poorly officiated game. Both teams got screwed. Fortunately, ISU got screwed last.
And I still have no clue where the number 25 came from.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:25 PM
I recall a few of hitting on this point last tourney time. Better for exposing some frauds and finding some low-seed value than actually getting the FF teams. One of the #1s last year was real low.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:25 PM
It’s been fixed. Expect some comments/commenters to quietly disappear.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:25 PM
Damn shame Jerome Dyson went down with that leg injury late in the season for UConn.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:25 PM
I’ll never forget VCU beating Kansas. They shot almost 50% from the arc and Kansas looked like shit on a stick. I knew the game was over after 10 minutes of play.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:26 PM
That paint job reminds me of the dude who lives in a house I drive by to get to work every day. He has one of these, but instead of the cool slate gray color, he had it painted in fucking chrome with a black racing strip that narrows as it gets to the grill. Also put black rims on it. I cry a bit inside every time I see what he did to it.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:26 PM
Same years, same teams, Ken Pom offensive efficiency.
7 of 20 in top 5
14 of 20 in top 20
17 of 20 in top 30
February 26th, 2013 at 3:27 PM
leave it to the chinese to pirate movies
February 26th, 2013 at 3:28 PM
No one was beating Carolina that year, they won each tourney game by double digits.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:29 PM
So if you’re in the top 30 both defensively and offensively you have a great shot at being in the Final Four? Jarring.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:29 PM
FWIW:
6 of the 20 were in the top 5 of offensive efficiency
14 of the 20 were in the top 20 of offensive efficiency
16 of the 20 were in the top 30 of offensive efficiency
/assuming I didn’t make an error.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:30 PM
Htown: Looks like we have just about the same numbers. We’re off on one of the top 30 teams. So basically, this:
February 26th, 2013 at 3:31 PM
Sorry to break up the fun but I need a place to vent: a friend I went to college with and briefly dated was killed by her boyfriend in a murder-suicide last night in Niagara Falls, NY. Just saw it on the buffalo news website and i am beyond devastated. This absolutely fucking sucks.
I hope some dick jokes and insults can cheer me up.
/REALITY FUCKING BLOWS
February 26th, 2013 at 3:33 PM
have you seen Rotnei Clarke play defense?
/trick question, because he doesn’t
February 26th, 2013 at 3:33 PM
Shit.
/OSU Fan
February 26th, 2013 at 3:33 PM
It’s been fixed
Ok. I should have looked at the percentages.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:34 PM
instead of the cool slate gray color, he had it painted in fucking chrome with a black racing strip that narrows as it gets to the grill. Also put black rims on it.
sounds like mr. 096′s dream car for “faster 7″ costarring Vin Diesel.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:35 PM
We’ll never know. Everyone said no one was beating Duke in 99. UConn was hitting on all cylinders. Dyson went down on Feb 11, at that time their last loss had been on Dec 29. They were ranked #1 at the time. I would have loved to see them go up against that Carolina team.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:36 PM
Sorry A.P. Horrible. Condolences.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:36 PM
murder-suicide last night
sorry to hear about that bro.
joke…. what does a gay horse say?
hhhhhaaaaaaaayyyyyyy
/try the veal
February 26th, 2013 at 3:36 PM
Damn, that’s two TBLers that have posted stories today of someone close to them being murdered. My great uncle died this morning, and bad things happen in 3′s, so hopefully all this dying shit is over.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:37 PM
egaddddddddds
February 26th, 2013 at 3:37 PM
The cowardly mother fucker slashed her throat before shooting himself. Im a forgiving, semi-religious person, but burn in hell, asshole.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:38 PM
FWIW: teams sorted by current Ken Pom offensive efficiency ratings.
Indiana and Michigan are 1-2. Stephen F. Austin are 230.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:38 PM
In my thoughts AP
February 26th, 2013 at 3:38 PM
That dude makes a helluva vacuum cleaner.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:38 PM
It’s hideous. The car retails at $200,000 for the base model, but there is no way this dude is rocking the stock model. I’m not sure what the paint job cost, but I bet it was steep. Dude probably has $300,000 in that car. Pretty sure he’s a music producer. His garage is open often and he has cardboard cutouts of rappers and shit in it. He also has a Pepsi vending machine as well as three other cars, including one that looks like the same car from the opening of Entourage.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:38 PM
that and a kid who goes to college with my brother committed suicide by jumping into the niagara river by the falls. fucking crazy times.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:39 PM
Damn. Sorry to hear that, A.P.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:39 PM
/withdraws $100 bet
//also withdraws dougie
February 26th, 2013 at 3:40 PM
Queefer has a good, not great uncle
/drops mic
February 26th, 2013 at 3:40 PM
bookmarks link for money bracket next month
i did this last year with a pomeroy based TBL post. i got my butt whipped. sit back, and enjoy the randomness.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:40 PM
Sorry AP.
At least the Sabres are playing well.
/sorry about that comment
February 26th, 2013 at 3:41 PM
That is the worst. Taking your own life is a waste enough, but why end someone else’s?
February 26th, 2013 at 3:41 PM
Damn A.P. that’s tragic. Condolences to you and everyone who knew her.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:41 PM
joke…. what does a gay horse say?
hhhhhaaaaaaaayyyyyyy
what do lesbian horses eat?
HAY.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:42 PM
Jay Bilas is wondering why VCU is not in the conversation.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:42 PM
fixed
February 26th, 2013 at 3:42 PM
What does Coop eat?
/too far?
February 26th, 2013 at 3:43 PM
sorry to hear about your Uncle.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:43 PM
/picks up mic
//beats Queefer to death with it
February 26th, 2013 at 3:44 PM
sorry a.p. remember the good times.
apparently firing Lindey Ruff has been hard on the people in your area.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:44 PM
I approve.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:44 PM
Don’t be. As a Bama fan he’ll simply claim another Great Uncle as his own.
/too soon?
February 26th, 2013 at 3:45 PM
February 26th, 2013 at 3:48 PM
damn i can imagine how cold the water in niagra is now.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:48 PM
As a Bama fan he’ll simply be his own uncle soon
February 26th, 2013 at 3:48 PM
Fucked that up real good
February 26th, 2013 at 3:49 PM
For A.P., Mullet and everyone grieving – my condolences as well.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:50 PM
You certainly did.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:50 PM
February 26th, 2013 at 3:51 PM
Dammit. I’ll leave now
February 26th, 2013 at 3:51 PM
Phil Hartman’s wife is to blame for the Simpsons’ descent as I see it
February 26th, 2013 at 3:52 PM
AP your brother’s at Houghton, he trying to be a minister?
February 26th, 2013 at 3:52 PM
But of the flip side, straight A’s
February 26th, 2013 at 3:53 PM
What a cunt (souse’d). I loved me some Hartman.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:53 PM
sorry ap and mullet
for our eighth anniversary my wife got me a bottle of angels envy, a bourbon. it’s the only gift she knows will always be a success. it’s aged in port barrels or some shit. it was tasty on ice
February 26th, 2013 at 3:53 PM
my grandmas died the same day. like 15 hours apart. i win.
/i lose
February 26th, 2013 at 3:53 PM
Maybe the only 4 year guy in the Calhoun era who never won a tournament game at UConn.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:54 PM
fair point.
but only 2 teams play 6 games.
2 other teams play 5 games.
I don’t think the numbers change THAT much (given most people play about 30 games prior to the tourney).
for instance – let’s say Butler is 64 at start of the tourney. reach Final. In 5 games are they going from 64 to top 30? I can’t imagine that much of a leap in five games.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:54 PM
Im gonna grieve by chowing down on this pork roast i put in the crockpot this morning. Fuck you humanity! bring us cooked pig!
February 26th, 2013 at 3:55 PM
The randomness of this comment is classic Vez.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:55 PM
thanks for raining on my parade today fuckers, I’ve actually had a pretty damn good day.
/pees pants
February 26th, 2013 at 3:55 PM
my grandmas died the same day. like 15 hours apart. i win.
my grandma died at like 8PM and her mom died at like 3 AM that night. double funeral.
February 26th, 2013 at 3:55 PM
red kerr and norm van lier both died this day four years ago
February 26th, 2013 at 3:56 PM
Scripty, he didnt study that specifically but after he graduates in may, hes going to seminary in the fall. I went to that college but majored in communications
/wasted money!!!!!
//looks at sallie mae loan balance
///dies
February 26th, 2013 at 3:56 PM
hey, i said sorry
February 26th, 2013 at 3:56 PM
Today is Michael Bolton’s 60th birthday
/Not sure what we’re doing
February 26th, 2013 at 3:56 PM
Ark, to cheer you up, i could post videos of arkansas liz
February 26th, 2013 at 3:57 PM
Chopped All Stars 3 will feature Richard Blais, Alex Guarnaschelli, Amanda Freitag, Scott Conant, Marc Murphy and some shitty celebs.
/no one else cares
//Team Blais
February 26th, 2013 at 3:57 PM
Why should i change my name? He’s the one that sucks
February 26th, 2013 at 3:58 PM
dying
February 26th, 2013 at 3:58 PM
Husker, i care. Sportsgunt cares as well
February 26th, 2013 at 3:59 PM
When richard blais got fucked over in his original top chef appearance, i stopped watching that fraudy fraud show. Padma lakshmi is hot but man, she sucks as a tv personality
February 26th, 2013 at 3:59 PM
Don’t think Conant’s done it before (the other three judges have if memory serves), hope he undercooks some pasta
February 26th, 2013 at 4:00 PM
I said I was having a good day, not that I wanted to go home and kick the shit out of my dog.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:02 PM
The judging on that show is so f’ing insufferable. What’s the kind of bald headed guy that always wears a vest/tie combo? Who always gets real pissed when he’s like, we gave you an electric eel, grape toothpaste, fennel, and chunky peanut butter and 20 minutes, and THIS is what the plate looks like?
February 26th, 2013 at 4:03 PM
I guess Last Chance Kitchen kind of makes up for it, but it sure seems like you can fly under the radar for 8 weeks on that show, then have a huge chance to win. I wish multiple challenge winners could build up capital in case they have an off night…especially when they throw a curve ball like they have to chip their food out of huge chunks of ice.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:04 PM
I hate that fucker. HATE HIM. He gets all hot and bothered that the poor chef who had 20 fucking minutes to turn 4 random things didn’t think to use the paint brush to apply his gastrique to the plate, and instead just drizzled some on top of his licorice-crusted duck skin.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:05 PM
What pissed me off was a couple of years ago some chick won like 6 last chance kitchens in a row, and then lost to some chick who went on to win 2 of them in total and make the final 4. But Blais is the man, though I did not see his original season. The first season I ever watched was the all-stars one that won.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:06 PM
The whole chef as drill sergeant is way, way overrated. Great, you’re a hard ass and a perfectionist and your job sucks. Calm the hell down. People are still gonna eat three times a day and can find out how to cook exactly like you on the Internet.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:06 PM
Conant is the douchebag who needs to button his shirt one more button every time, right?
February 26th, 2013 at 4:07 PM
That’s how they are run, though. That’s the only way of getting through a service when you get 20 orders of varying plates in at once for one table. I get why people may laugh at the notion of it, but it’s done for a reason.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:08 PM
My wife got me a Cook’s Illustrated subscription for Christmas. Been cover-to-cover reading. I now have four the the Best Recipe books from Amercia’s Test Kitchen. Best books I’ve had.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:09 PM
All time least favorite Top Chef contestants
1) That tall guy C.J.
2) That lesbian chick/formal “pro” football player
3) Lisa
4) Spike
February 26th, 2013 at 4:09 PM
I also vehemently disagree with this. Being a chef like those cats are means you have flavor profiles you can build on your own. They aren’t just copying recipes out of book and cooking them. Any idiot can do that. Guys like Blais and then even someone more amazing like Thomas Keller have palates that are quite phenomenal.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:09 PM
condolences
February 26th, 2013 at 4:09 PM
i bet chief aka james has some good chef/kitchen stories
February 26th, 2013 at 4:09 PM
TIME TO LEAN? TIME TO CLEAN!!!!!!!!
/every kitchen not shut down my the health commission
February 26th, 2013 at 4:09 PM
Chris Santos (the bald one) is my favorite judge for sheer entertainment value, not everyone has to get weepy and hyperbolic over a piece of seared tuna like Alex…wish Samuelson would do it more, he appears to be the rock star of that industry to hear some of the contestants talk when he’s on the panel
February 26th, 2013 at 4:10 PM
Possibly. But they talk about it as if that particular profession is the pinnacle of the boss as hardass category.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:11 PM
you homos and your cooking shows.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:12 PM
GOod way to cheer up is to watch gilbert gottfried standup comedy videos on youtube.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:13 PM
I get this sense, too. Like he’s seen as the future of high level cooking or something like that.
Most chefs are fucking nuts. It’s an odd breed that is drawn to that world.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:14 PM
Oh god. Flavor profile is my most hated term in the entire English lexicon.
My point was hyperbolic, I admit, but the food industry has advanced in the last decade so that the same caliber of amazing chef (w/ the developed flavor profile you speak of) has a truck down on the corner and sells his shit for $7 a plate. It’s why there are unlimited contestants for Chopped, Top Chef, etc., and why I think the “genius” of the profession talk needs to be toned down a notch.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:14 PM
Cooking is a well-known panty dropper. You should look into it.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:15 PM
Symon’s best place in Cleveland, the kitchen is out in the restaurant and they make the food without any yelling or screaming, I got the chef’s table for our anniversary last year and I think i heard the them say about 10 words the entire time we were there.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:15 PM
Miss Delaware does not have a future in porn.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:16 PM
Cooking is a well-known panty dropper. You should look into it.
really? hmmm interesting.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:16 PM
@CRM_Cooks to chime in regarding this “flavor profile” that you guys speak of. We need his thoughts on this.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:16 PM
Flavor profile is my most hated term in the entire English lexicon.
Also acceptable: “staycation” or “webinar”.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:18 PM
Im a better cook than most of my female friends.
/not homo
February 26th, 2013 at 4:18 PM
Another vote for Hot-lanta.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:19 PM
YOU AINT TAKING A STAYCATION FUCKER. YOU BROKE!!!!!!!
February 26th, 2013 at 4:19 PM
No…no he doesn’t. Sure, there are some killer food trucks that make one or even three great plates, but you have to make 30 great plates to be on the level of someone like Keller or even Ramsey (as much as I think he’s a massive douche). Comparing the cat who runs the funky Hawaiian-Japanese fusion truck to the elite chefs seems a bit unfair. Also, for every one chef who goes on Chopped, there are 1000s who suck and couldn’t do jack on that show.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:19 PM
Here’s my go to recipe: cook shit, then dump Sriracha on it. Then you eat it.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:20 PM
For real. The ladies love a dude who can cook. Not even joking.
Exactly. There is one voice and nothing else.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:21 PM
I think sriracha might be my favorite condiment of all time.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:21 PM
Sriracha potato chips are so awesome.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:22 PM
I haven’t seen them in stores yet in my neck of the woods.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:24 PM
For real. The ladies love a dude who can cook. Not even joking.
absolutely.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:24 PM
“Staff-daddy”
February 26th, 2013 at 4:24 PM
FYI…
In 2010, they went from 24 to 5.
In 2011, they went from 61 to 49.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:25 PM
Have you guys had their chili garlic sauce? If you like Sriracha sauce, you’ll love this. It donkey stomps the shit out of the original.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:25 PM
Maybe. Or maybe dude just likes running his truck and thinks the foodie culture is b.s. I think my overall point is there are lots of people all over the place who make shit taste good. It’s not like there is some elite cadre of chefs hoarding the limited resources necessary to cook top-notch food.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:26 PM
Dangerous Dan Toler died yesterday.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:27 PM
Wife found them yesterday. It’s a milder flavor, I think, but they are still really good.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:29 PM
the pioneer woman site is good for noobs b/c it has photos of every step. also her recipes make big hearty portions so you can eat for a few days off one of her items.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:29 PM
Just what I need. Another sauce to add to the 500 bottles of miscellany I already have.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:29 PM
Ya. It’s pretty good.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:30 PM
Totally agree, but I still think it’s okay to give the true craftsman their due. Even if they are massive assholes like Ramsey and other Hitler-esque chefs.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:34 PM
that sucks, man. what’s her address by the way?
/Dilfer
//you said you wanted jokes
February 26th, 2013 at 4:37 PM
Got a bag this past weekend. I thought they sucked ass. My son finished the bag in a day and a half and went and bought another one.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:42 PM
He was probably high.
February 26th, 2013 at 5:03 PM
For married guys….wtf does it matter if knowing how to cook slays poon?
February 26th, 2013 at 5:45 PM
fatty
/tim ryan’d
February 27th, 2013 at 9:43 AM
Go with KenPom and Pete Tiernan’s Bracket Science if you want to win cash, I mean, um, do well in the brackets. Best $10 you’ll ever spend.