The NCAA is Facing a War for Survival, And Just Opened Another Front With Miami
Undeterred by the recent misconduct investigation, the NCAA delivered its Notice of Allegations to the University of Miami. This is just one more sign of the organization’s startling tone deafness under Mark Emmert.
Overstepping its investigative boundaries with Nevin Shapiro does not just taint a batch of evidence, as the NCAA contends. It calls into question the entire enforcement regime and the present leadership’s competence to oversee it. This is no blip. It is an explosion, and, for the NCAA, it comes at a terrible time.
Rampant corruption and colleges signing billion-dollar television contracts have exposed “amateurism” for the shallow tax dodge it has always been. Improving knowledge of the health risks associated with playing football has made the present system’s unfairness more acute. The NCAA was already facing a potentially existential lawsuit with the Ed O’Bannon case.
With its entire model under threat, the NCAA displayed its inability to enforce that model in a measured fashion. The organization’s enforcement arm proved to be unchecked zealots operating under an opaque cloud and lapping up the words of a biased man convicted of nine-figure fraud because it might offer them the opportunity to hammer some kids who accepted free dinners.
Somehow, no firm rules were violated when the NCAA commissioned legal proceedings as a “way around” the inconvenient fact it could not subpoena testimony. That alone is disturbing. So is the fact Miami representatives did not complain about it because they felt being “uncooperative” might worsen their fate.
NCAA authority rests on the perception of its authority. The fundamental hollowness of the organization’s mission and practices has been exposed. Proceeding with charges against Miami as if nothing happened is arrogant and, after the NCAA passed legislation holding coaches accountable for assistant misconduct, hypocritical. It is also foolish, as the power dynamic has changed.
Donna Shalala has the conch and she plans to use it. The University of Miami’s president banged the war drum in her public response to the notice of allegations, excoriating the NCAA’s investigation of the school on multiple fronts.
Many of the charges brought forth are based on the word of a man who made a fortune by lying. The NCAA enforcement staff acknowledged to the University that if Nevin Shapiro, a convicted con man, said something more than once, it considered the allegation “corroborated” – an argument which is both ludicrous and counter to legal practice.
Most of the sensationalized media accounts of Shapiro’s claims are found nowhere in the Notice of Allegations. Despite their efforts over two and a half years, the NCAA enforcement staff could not find evidence of prostitution, expensive cars for players, expensive dinners paid for by boosters, player bounty payments, rampant alcohol and drug use, or the alleged hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash and gifts given to student-athletes, as reported in the media. The fabricated story played well – the facts did not.
The NCAA enforcement staff failed, even after repeated requests, to interview many essential witnesses of great integrity who could have provided first-hand testimony, including, unbelievably, Paul Dee, who has since passed away, but who served as Miami Athletic Director during many of the years that violations were alleged to have occurred. How could a supposedly thorough and fair investigation not even include the Director of Athletics?
Finally, we believe the NCAA was responsible for damaging leaks of unsubstantiated allegations over the course of the investigation. Let me be clear again: for any rule violation – substantiated and proven with facts – that the University, its employees, or student-athletes committed, we have been and should be held accountable. We have worked hard to improve our compliance oversight, and we have already self-imposed harsh sanctions. We deeply regret any violations, but we have suffered enough.
Shalala has public opinion on her side. She’s very well connected politically. Pressing forward with this case against Miami could see the NCAA maraud straight into a legal shit-storm. Its hard to see the member institutions sticking up for it. Nor would many government officials. Pennsylvania is wondering how the NCAA presumed the authority to fine a public institution $60 million without going through its own due process.
Mark Emmert inherited an NCAA in need of bold action. The bold action required was substantive reform, not wanton, baseless assertions of authority. There’s still time for the NCAA to come to a mutually acceptable compromise – perhaps both parties could accept time served on the postseason ban, token probation and scholarship reductions and an apology? – but that would only plug one of the hemorrhaging dikes.

- Roundup: Ryan Mattheus Broke His Hand Punching a Locker, Spiderman Plays Basketball with Kids & Man Nearly Killed by Bull in Costa Rica
- Jalen Rose Leaving Numbers Never Lie, Jemele Hill in as New Co-Host
- Peyton Manning Loves Football So Much He’ll Even Play Pass Rusher
- The Greatest Worst Tattoo of All Time, Until the Next One
- NFL Draft in 2014 Moving to May 15-17, NFL Combine Will Move to March in 2015, 2016

- VladimirCrouton on Roundup: Ryan Mattheus Broke His Hand Punching a Locker, Spiderman Plays Basketball with Kids & Man Nearly Killed by Bull in Costa Rica
- PurdueMatt on Roundup: Ryan Mattheus Broke His Hand Punching a Locker, Spiderman Plays Basketball with Kids & Man Nearly Killed by Bull in Costa Rica
- scripty on Roundup: Ryan Mattheus Broke His Hand Punching a Locker, Spiderman Plays Basketball with Kids & Man Nearly Killed by Bull in Costa Rica
- HuskerDawg on NFL Draft in 2014 Moving to May 15-17, NFL Combine Will Move to March in 2015, 2016
- cracker jack on Jalen Rose Leaving Numbers Never Lie, Jemele Hill in as New Co-Host
180 Responses to “The NCAA is Facing a War for Survival, And Just Opened Another Front With Miami”
Leave a Reply
You must be logged in to post a comment.







February 20th, 2013 at 3:32 PM
…the other is still holding a conch.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:33 PM
I bet Roger Staubach felt it was always a sham.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:33 PM
Shut It Down.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:35 PM
Why arent there Congressional hearings?
February 20th, 2013 at 3:35 PM
Well, if people think they can subpoena people from now on, I suspect that perception will be strong.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:37 PM
The second to last paragraph is precious. See, Penn State got screwed because the NCAA didnt follow “due process.”
Uh-huh.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:37 PM
Just so I can get this collective anger under wraps…we’re mad at Miami for using suspect tactics to nail Miami for allegations we all believe to be true anyway?
February 20th, 2013 at 3:37 PM
Emmert has to go, right? There’s no way he survives this.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:37 PM
Mark Emmert
February 20th, 2013 at 3:37 PM
* I mean we’re mad at the NCAA
February 20th, 2013 at 3:38 PM
I can’t believe they fined a school that was implicit in the covering up of a child fucker. Oh the humanity!!
February 20th, 2013 at 3:38 PM
I’m firmly against your whole pay the players argument, but I thought this was an impressive and warranted take down. Even managed to avoid directly lobbying for paying the players. Nice work, Duffy.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:39 PM
Duffy is like that lawyer in the john grisham novels. He wants justice, but he wants it the right way.
/he also wants local drug dealers to be able to pay college players
February 20th, 2013 at 3:40 PM
Did they pay the fine?
Yes.
Good luck with that lawsuit.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:41 PM
Damn Donna.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:42 PM
NCAA pays just over 400 employees $50 million.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:42 PM
I can’t believe they fined a school that was implicit in the covering up of a child fucker. Oh the humanity!!
Cite me if you could the NCAA rule that gives them the ability to fine a school for such an action. Do they have a “necessary and proper” clause that I’m unaware of?
February 20th, 2013 at 3:43 PM
As Ritty said, they paid that shit. If they felt it was bullshit, they should have said so in a court.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:44 PM
When did the Constitution get thrown into this?
Penn State is a member school of the NCAA. They accept the NCAA’s rule by their inclusion in the NCAA. Also, they paid the fine.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:44 PM
emmert gave ty willie year four, fuck him.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:44 PM
As Ritty said, they paid that shit. If they felt it was bullshit, they should have said so in a court.
That’s a pretty flimsy pretext for arguing that it was legit for the NCAA to do what they did.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:45 PM
So it’s a good place to work if you want to make $100k a year?
February 20th, 2013 at 3:45 PM
But make sure it’s shut down after the 2014 BCS title game.
/dawgsontop
February 20th, 2013 at 3:45 PM
Hell yes. This is what the Clay Travis’s of the world fail to grasp or just dont care. I get that these athletes should be getting something (I dont agree but I get it). The idea that it should be a totally free market–players to the highest bidder–is so comical its impossible to respond.
Yeah, everyone should love the idea of Phil Knight competing with the Crips and the Bloods for the next OJ Simpson.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:46 PM
“Projected NCAA revenue for 2012-13 is $797 million, $712 million of which (90 percent) is projected to come from media rights”
Fucking amateurs.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:46 PM
This is what cracks me up. The schools always bitch about the NCAA (with good reason as they do plenty of dumb shit) but they created it. They willingly enter into it. You don’t like the NCAA? Fine. Leave. Create your own group and then create your own rules (again).
February 20th, 2013 at 3:47 PM
When did the Constitution get thrown into this?
That’s sort of my question. If a school breaks a law but does not simultaneously violate any NCAA rules, regulations or by-laws under what authority does the NCAA have to fine or punish the school in any way.
The entire Penn State situation is disgusting, but the NCAA handled it with as much reasonableness as William Randolph Hearst handled the sinking of the Maine.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:47 PM
How do you plead?
Guilty.
Okay, you’re guilty. Two years probation and 500 hours of community service.
Two years and 500 hours of service later.
I’ll sue your ass in court.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:48 PM
Poor Miami, such a victim.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:48 PM
Who the fuck said that?
February 20th, 2013 at 3:48 PM
$100K ain’t shit to Ritty.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:49 PM
How do you plead?
Guilty.
Okay, you’re guilty. Two years probation and 500 hours of community service.
Two years and 500 hours of service later.
I’ll sue your ass in court.
That’s not the same thing. Though it would be similar if the guy was in court without breaking a law that that court had jurisdiction over.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:49 PM
Andy Staples for one. Does the Olympic model regulate who can and can’t give endorsement checks?
February 20th, 2013 at 3:49 PM
There’s no due process requirement in a private organization.
PSU had two options: pay the fine, or leave the NCAA. PSU has no intrinsic right to membership in the NCAA, and as such, either it does what it’s required, or it leaves.
This lawsuit is a joke and political grandstanding.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:50 PM
Throw the book at ND.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:51 PM
Sign my ass up. Bojangles pays me $13.70 an hour to babysit a bunch of dickholes on night shift. I figure my position should pay at least $16 an hour, especially given my assistant manager duties.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:51 PM
But it’s a 3rd party making the suit. If this suit was brought by the other member institutions, I could see it having merit, but it’s not like the entire Big 10 is suing the NCAA on behalf of the conference saying that they had no right to do this.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:51 PM
PSU had two options: pay the fine, or leave the NCAA. PSU has no intrinsic right to membership in the NCAA, and as such, either it does what it’s required, or it leaves.
Excellent point. I’m not a lawyer here and I didn’t stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night, but even given what you just said, that does not necessarily legitimize the NCAA’s actions…or does it?
February 20th, 2013 at 3:52 PM
as William Randolph Hearst handled the sinking of the Maine
MS? Is that you?
February 20th, 2013 at 3:53 PM
But it’s a 3rd party making the suit. If this suit was brought by the other member institutions, I could see it having merit, but it’s not like the entire Big 10 is suing the NCAA on behalf of the conference saying that they had no right to do this.
Right I understand that. I’m speaking less to the merits of the lawsuit itself though and more to the NCAA’s actions.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:53 PM
MS? Is that you?
Well yeah. I’m the one that said it.
/not sure if I’m missing something.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:54 PM
NCAA amkes nearly all it’s money on the MBB Tounrnament. The Big 5 conferences (liekly soon to be Big 4) could easily break away and create their own tourney, with the money split between them.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:56 PM
It’s not that simple, counselor. And you know it.
Additionally, it’s my understanding that they are paying 5 yearly installments of $12M…so, no they haven’t paid it in full. I analogize it to putting up bond.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:56 PM
I agree this is very possible, but would they still be a tax-exempt group? Because that’s the biggest deal for sticking with the NCAA. If they can get that without having the NCAA (the irony of which is they created the NCAA) I would think they would do this very shortly.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:56 PM
I wish.
Right, but courts have interpreted violations of “laws” that aren’t technically on the books. What was the famous Supreme Court 1st Amendment case where the justices talked about blushing or some such?
The NCAA’s argument might be if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. And if the other member institutions are fine with it, then it is what it is.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:56 PM
The Big 5 conferences (liekly soon to be Big 4) could easily break away and create their own tourney, with the money split between them.
It wouldn’t be tax exempt then. And all the little schools would kick and scream.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:56 PM
While agree the NCAA is way at fault here, and deserves it’s criticism, I can’t just let this go without any comment at all (no matter if it falls on deaf ears).
How exactly will colleges continue to pay for women’s and minor sports ? It’s impossible under any other system. For a writer who feigns an interest in fairness and equality you’d think that would be a concern.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:58 PM
No, but I love oversimplifying issues to assist my position. But on the same hand, your bond issue doesn’t quite fit either.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:58 PM
Generally anywhere profiting massively from free labour is lucrative to work for above the ass raping entry level:
private prisons
blood diamond mines
sports blogs…
February 20th, 2013 at 3:58 PM
playoffs are the solution.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:58 PM
Shit. Milan just scored.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:58 PM
Also, how are FCS teams going to pay for their programs when they don’t get $1 million checks for “scrimmages” against the big boys?
February 20th, 2013 at 4:00 PM
Your answer will be that they want the Olympic model, where players are paid by outside organizations (like Nike, Gatorade or the local businessman who then ask the player to tank the game because he’s betting Ritty’s bonus on it).
February 20th, 2013 at 4:01 PM
They won’t, unless they get TV deals, but as we’ve established, those are evil and add to the slave labor we have in D1. Or something like that.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:02 PM
War? More like a very minor skirmish.
The NCAA isn’t going away, no matter how much some of us might like to see that.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:02 PM
All that money would go to the Univ of Texas, unfortunately.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:04 PM
Linking lesbians and menses is not a pretty picture.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:04 PM
Give the players the full cost of attendance and call it a day. That would be a sizable check and everyone would be happy.
Or you could pay them $50,000 after every season completed, but not pay for anything else and charge them for trainers, tutors and the like.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:06 PM
I think the writers that gush over each other on twitter know this. They just want to write about it en mass so that in 20 years, if it does happen, they can look back and say all that time spent trying to understand legal (or non-legal) issues was time well spent.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:06 PM
The fact that we’re 60+ posts in and no one had shown any appreciation for this makes me think this site has jumped the shark.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:06 PM
They’d just create an non-profit organization negotiate TV rights and run the event, then funnel profits to the (also non-profit) conferences, and to the (also non-profit) atlhetic departments.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:06 PM
Right, but courts have interpreted violations of “laws” that aren’t technically on the books. What was the famous Supreme Court 1st Amendment case where the justices talked about blushing or some such?
The NCAA’s argument might be if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. And if the other member institutions are fine with it, then it is what it is.
I understand the reasoning, but I just don’t agree with any of it.
Veering off this subject, I went to a lecture by Antonin Scalia a few weeks ago. He is as charming in person as he comes off in interviews. Great sense of humor and is very good at explaining how he views the Constitution.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:07 PM
This is my favorite.
Newsflash: Auburn Puts Lien on $50,000 Car of Starting QB After He Fails to Pay Tuition For Fall Semester
February 20th, 2013 at 4:07 PM
Made betterer.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:07 PM
Love that guy.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:08 PM
Oh man, I missed that. Nice.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:09 PM
Imagine the great headlines. Crowell would have had $50K worth of guns and weed.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:09 PM
SOmething something Goering something something Stalin.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:09 PM
Of course you do.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:11 PM
Or that show has long since jumped the shark.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:11 PM
Perhaps they shouldn’t have football programs if that’s the only way they can survive
February 20th, 2013 at 4:12 PM
But what’s wrong with that paycheck? Why shouldn’t they be able to fund their program by playing those games?
February 20th, 2013 at 4:14 PM
Not Mike NYC, obviously.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:15 PM
THAT’S FUCKING DISGUSTING. nobody wants to think of that old dried up vag.
OHHHHH…conch. my bad.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:15 PM
1. Cap coaches salaries, recruiting, gameday expenses
2. Separate profitable sports from the others
3. Minimum wage for profit sports ($450,000 yearly for football team)
4. Share profits like NFL teams
5. Women’s and other shite sports are unchanged
6. Merchandising, gate and likeness profits goes to players salaries
7. Fuck teams like North Texas
February 20th, 2013 at 4:16 PM
They’re not entitled to that paycheck – it takes two to agree. And they’re further screwed because, event though the BCS conferences all agreeing not to play FCS schools would otherwise be an antitrust violation, they’re all members of the same monopoly, so the FCS can’t do squat.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:16 PM
Aside from watering down the CFB product I guess not much
February 20th, 2013 at 4:17 PM
/sadface
February 20th, 2013 at 4:17 PM
Of course you do.
I don’t agree with much of Scalia’s positions but I like him too. You can like someone without subscribing to their political and/or social beliefs.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:18 PM
i like GWB and rummy like this.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:19 PM
Who said they were? If Big Conference U wants to pay Auburn 1 million to be a whipping boy, who cares?
Are you trolling at the point? The NFL makes $9 billion a year and has 32 teams. I don’t think their min wage is higher than $550,000, is it?
February 20th, 2013 at 4:19 PM
Yep. Guys smart as a whip and is the only SC justice who I can actually read (on the rare occasions I have to read a SC decision). His dissents are especially good.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:22 PM
I know he’s a brilliant guy, but the fact that I think he’s crazier than he is smart is my main problem with him.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:22 PM
Milan up 2 nil now? The fuck?
February 20th, 2013 at 4:23 PM
Shit. Barca needs a goal in a bad way.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:25 PM
$450,000 for the entire team, would also benefit keeping players workload smaller.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:25 PM
While there is definitely political grandstanding involved, the 4th largest economy in the United States suing you for damaging said 4th largest economy is not a joke.
The NCAA lawyers can manage these little cases with lawyers working on commission, PA has more money and lawyers than the NCAA has seen.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:26 PM
The only thing I liked about GWB was his enjoyment of baseball…still blame Bud Selig for that entire presidency since he wanted to be commissioner but instead Bud just removed the interim label off the title so he became governor of Texas instead
February 20th, 2013 at 4:26 PM
Great reporting TBL. NCAA is outdated institution. Time to clean house and start over.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:26 PM
Minimum wage would also be in addition to current stipends and benefits.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:27 PM
i still laugh at a) “now watch me hit this drive” and b) “fool me once…shame on…shame on me. fool me twice…well you aint gonna fool me again.”
February 20th, 2013 at 4:27 PM
Miami should hire Maggie Smith to verbally humiliate Mark Emmert.
/nods at Butters
February 20th, 2013 at 4:30 PM
Both are so amazing. The “hit this drive” line was delivered by only someone with a complete misjudgment of time and place. That’s what made it great. The “fool me once” line was pure gold, though.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:30 PM
i still laugh at a) “now watch me hit this drive” and b) “fool me once…shame on…shame on me. fool me twice…well you aint gonna fool me again.”
Whenever I read the second one The Who always pop into my head.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:31 PM
Shrub, an opponent of Big Gubmint, certainly didn’t mind it when the gubmint used eminent domain to seize property for the new Rangers stadium.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:31 PM
I know he’s a brilliant guy, but the fact that I think he’s crazier than he is smart is my main problem with him.
At the lecture he avoided any mention of how he sees the Second Amendment. But by and large I thought his way of viewing the Constitution made a lot of sense. I was surprised to find myself nodding at what he said. But he made a great point: he said that judges who feel good about every decision they make are doing something wrong. Every good judge should have a few decisions that he personally dislikes.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:31 PM
He looks more like Edith’s type
I always got the sense that he never really wanted to be president but just did so once it became expected of him, he always seemed to be just going along for the ride…might have just been projecting my also wishing he wasn’t president though
February 20th, 2013 at 4:32 PM
i love rummy because he’ll send mcchrystal’s ninjas at ya without a second thought. guess that’s political, but oh well.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:32 PM
But is our children learning?!
February 20th, 2013 at 4:34 PM
The types who were getting all panty-wadded at Beyonce because she did a gig in Libya get similarly panty-added when reminded of the Rummy/Saddam love-in.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:35 PM
The man always wanted to be the leader of Baseball, not the country. But when that was taken away, Karl Rove saw in him the perfect candidate post-Clinton. He could tap into the religious right better than anyone since Reagan (maybe even better than Reagan, though I’m not sure). Rove then did the dirty stuff behind the scenes and let W be the charismatic guy he is. I bet I would love shooting the shit with him. He seems very likable.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:35 PM
The “think of the children!” crowd that cheered as the NCAA hammered PSU was being short sighted.
It’s not really clear to me that forcing a cash strapped school to pay tens of millions to an organization that organizes amateur athletics really followed from what happened with Sandusky.
The NCAA was concerned about its image, so it used extortion to basically forced PSU to pay up big.
Nevermind that this money wasn’t going to the victims and the school has serious funding issues.
Basically, ANY money spent by PSU is better than ANY money spent by the bloated, stupid NCAA.
Not surprised to see people support the NCAA’s blank check authority, though. After all “think of the children!”
February 20th, 2013 at 4:37 PM
I earnestly think you would be morally bound to punch his skull until it was liquid.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:39 PM
Yeah…it would be hard for me to engage at first because he was such a train wreck, but meeting any President would be a real honor. That’s why when I hear about athletes declining the invite after they win I’m always stunned. Vote for him or not, that’s the president, dude. Show some respect.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:39 PM
Too late.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:40 PM
I earnestly think you would be morally bound to punch his skull until it was liquid.
Until Stephen Harper leaves office I’m not sure you have much place to talk.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:41 PM
Yeah…it would be hard for me to engage at first because he was such a train wreck, but meeting any President would be a real honor. That’s why when I hear about athletes declining the invite after they win I’m always stunned. Vote for him or not, that’s the president, dude. Show some respect.
This would never happen if the Senate had followed John Adams’ advice in Washington’s first term to give the president the title of “His Elective Majesty”.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:42 PM
It’s crazy to me that anyone would want to be president.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:42 PM
He’s a scumbag for sure.
Bullshit, a man is defined and should be treated according to his character, not some tributes bestowed to him by fucking retards.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:43 PM
Most of the sensationalized media accounts of Shapiro’s claims are found nowhere in the Notice of Allegations.
we’re mad at the NCAA for using suspect tactics to nail Miami for allegations we all believe to be true anyway?
Well, since we all think they did it, they must be guilty right?
February 20th, 2013 at 4:43 PM
Fuck Obama as well.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:44 PM
It’s funny to see how people’s perceptions of a president change over time. Truman is the classic example. 22% approval rate when he left office. Now something like 60% of Americans have a positive opinion of Truman.
The point being we don’t know how a president’s legacy will be shaped by time.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:45 PM
Fuck Obama as well.
That’s it, we’re invading.
/initiates Operation Canadian Bacon
February 20th, 2013 at 4:45 PM
I agree. You age at a pace that is out of sync with your biological age….you are constantly “on”. No matter what you do, someone is going to be violently upset with you…..
No thanks.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:45 PM
Add “enemy combatant/potential drone target” next to Soused on the spreadsheet, whoever it is that works as SC’s successor in handling the spreadsheet
February 20th, 2013 at 4:45 PM
I agree with this….BUT…when you get into politics you generally want to do good things. Then you realize what real power you have as a Congressmen/Senator and even more of that when you’re president. Power is a drug unlike any other I think.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:46 PM
The Internet: Everyone’s favorite real time historian.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:46 PM
It seems to me it’s nearly always athletes snubbing Dem presidents (Clinton, Obama). Pretty sure it has something to do with taxes.
/ Mickelson nods
February 20th, 2013 at 4:46 PM
Americans now have a greater blood lust and as such respect the man who dropped an atomic bomb just to run up the score
February 20th, 2013 at 4:47 PM
22% approval rate when he left office. Now something like 60% of Americans have a positive opinion of Truman.
His ghost appears to have won the approval that his capricious, egotistical, racist, prick living self never could.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:48 PM
You follow Canadian politics? Eww.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:48 PM
You follow Canadian politics? Eww.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:49 PM
Fuck that. The office commands respect.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:49 PM
Steven Spielberg XXIII wins the 2755 Best Picture Oscar for his biopic of the man now known as the greatest president of all time, Millard Fillmore.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:50 PM
Wish we could go back to the 1990s and tell this to the GOP.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:51 PM
correction: his dissents WERE good.
He’s gone off the deep end since Obama came into office. Before Obama, Scalia was extremely consistent…you may not like his positions, but you could respect them. Now, he just goes off on political rants that have NOTHING to do with the actual case at hand, and quite frankly, it’s embarrassing. At least with Thomas, it’s short and to the point (and usually really stupid, but hey, that’s Thomas for you).
February 20th, 2013 at 4:51 PM
I want to agree, but when you get caught getting blown in the office and lie about it, you’re begging for blowback (ZING!). I agree the GOP acted like dickfaces during that scandal, but Clinton brought it on himself.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:52 PM
Love is the drug I’m thinking of
/ Catch that buzz
February 20th, 2013 at 4:52 PM
The demonization of Clinton started well before Lewinski.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:53 PM
I was too young to know all of that stuff. I just know about the Lewinsky stuff because I was getting into politics around 14 or so (1997).
February 20th, 2013 at 4:54 PM
I can’t see how no one can’t see that this tv show Scandal is based partially on the Bush Administration, from W. and Condie boning all over DC, to the gay mastermind chief of staff ala Rove, who is the real brains behind the President.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:54 PM
Why bother getting rid of a king if you’re going to treat people by their titles?
February 20th, 2013 at 4:56 PM
The demonization of Clinton started well before Lewinski.
Indeed. It started before he was even the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination, IIRC. And Hilary. Good god have the Republicans hated her forever. I didn’t even realize that was because she had assisted in the Watergate investigation until about a month ago.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:56 PM
Well you can vote a President out, yet still show the office respect. You can’t vote a king out.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:57 PM
RELATED: I first read it as “The demonization of Clinton started well before Lebowski” and couldn’t recall anything about Clinton in Lebowski.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:58 PM
Assuming she runs (which I would think is a safe bet) watching the Right go ape shit over her potentially winning the election would be wonderful. I also think a Christie-Hillary campaign would be kick ass.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:58 PM
My favorite fictional depiction of the Bush White House remains Joe Dante’s “Homecoming” episode of Masters of Horror. Really nailed Rove and Coulter.
/ By “fictional” I mean “documentary-like in its reality”
February 20th, 2013 at 4:59 PM
either that, or most people alive today don’t know much, if anything about Truman other than dropping the bomb and maybe the Marshall Plan.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:59 PM
I’m really interested to see how Reagan’s and Jefferson’s legacies are regarded 50 years from now.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:59 PM
I’m going with this one. What? He won WWII? Hell fucking yeah I love him.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:00 PM
Pretty sure that was one of his last rounds of golf as president, because he realized it was a misjudgment of time and space.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:00 PM
Best middle name this side of Bartholomew JoJo Simpson
February 20th, 2013 at 5:01 PM
Truman’s legacy is benefitting from us being in a period of time where blunt idiot talk is mistaken for straight talking honesty.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:01 PM
He’d have been awesome as Jackie Treehorn.
/ Constituents of NY’s 2nd District make a sad face
February 20th, 2013 at 5:01 PM
That’s the reason the office commands respect in America- we combined the two roles of chief executive (political) and chief of state (ceremonial) into one. You can disagree with the president politically, but until recently, you still treated him with the respect that the office commands. No one, and I mean NO ONE, would dare turn down an invite to the White House until recently. The fact that athletes today dare turn such invites down is fucking ridiculous.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:01 PM
Murderer is a murderer. Voltaire – “It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.”
February 20th, 2013 at 5:03 PM
Stupid…err minimalist. It’s easy when your sole position is something along the lines of “this has no business before us.”
February 20th, 2013 at 5:03 PM
Tell Voltaire to eat a dick. Rousseau was better anyway.
Boom.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:04 PM
And by “recently” you mean “1993,” I take it.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:05 PM
Truman’s parents on that avant garde hipster shit.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:06 PM
Just as ridiculous are members of Congress who heckle during the State of the Union or refuse to attend it.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:10 PM
Not about to forgo my humanity to glad hand some villainous cunt on some lackey bullshit. These are people, real people, that you chose and if they fucking suck as people they fucking suck and your entire society needs to grow a pair because all of your interests are being ignored probably because you fucking bitches want a fucking autograph or some such embarrassing nonsense instead of justice, equality and opportunity.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:10 PM
Or bring a draft dodger who publicly called for the president to be assassinated as a guest.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:11 PM
You follow Canadian politics? Eww.
I know the name of their Prime Minister and that he’s done some controversial things like pro-rogue Parliament a few times to keep the opposition from stopping from doing something. I don’t know if that means I “follow” Canadian politics though.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:12 PM
After that it was 4 hours of mountain biking a day.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:14 PM
Not about to forgo my humanity to glad hand some villainous cunt on some lackey bullshit. These are people, real people, that you chose and if they fucking suck as people they fucking suck and your entire society needs to grow a pair because all of your interests are being ignored probably because you fucking bitches want a fucking autograph or some such embarrassing nonsense instead of justice, equality and opportunity.
I’m not sure how being respectful to a fellow citizen makes you lose your humanity. But I guess Canadian sensibilities are more fragile than ours.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:14 PM
Doubt it.
I don’t really have a problem with presidential hobbies and adventures. W. was criticized for going to Crawford a bunch, too. Like, they have phones there. And Internet.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:16 PM
I don’t really have a problem with presidential hobbies and adventures.
It’s good for jokes, but honestly I don’t either. It’s a difficult job and it’s not one that I would ever personally want. I don’t begrudge them for wanting to enjoy themselves when they can.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:16 PM
anyone see how ganim is being harassed by stupid joepa supporters?
February 20th, 2013 at 5:18 PM
The government should be afraid of the people which probably won’t happen if we are being differential bitches.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:18 PM
I know Larry Bird didn’t visit Reagan in the 80′s and MJ did the same with Bush. And I don’t think James Harrison visited Bush after his first SuperBowl either, he just was a bigger star after the 2nd one.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:20 PM
Or if we don’t have our guns.
/Texas
// Remember the Alamo
/// Remember San Jacinto
February 20th, 2013 at 5:20 PM
The government should be afraid of the people which probably won’t happen if we are being differential bitches.
The government being afraid of people is certainly a good way to engender legislative and administrative efficiency..oh wait, no it’s the opposite of that. And I submit as evidence the fact that members of Congress vote for or against important pieces of legislation purely because they are afraid of a primary challenger trying to unseat them from the far left or the far right.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:25 PM
There are afraid of losing their station, if their constituents (weren’t retards) they would have to answer to them instead of moneyed interests for campaign war chests. The people lost a huge part of their power with Citizens United but cunts still want to talk about “respect.” Your interests are not being respected.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:25 PM
/moving to Canada
February 20th, 2013 at 5:31 PM
I must admit though calling that cunt Harper a cunt on twitter has not yielded much good for the Canadian people.
/Today’s the day
February 20th, 2013 at 5:31 PM
There are afraid of losing their station, if their constituents (weren’t retards) they would have to answer to them instead of moneyed interests for campaign war chests. The people lost a huge part of their power with Citizens United but cunts still want to talk about “respect.” Your interests are not being respected.
No kidding. But that doesn’t seem to give any truth to your assertion that government should be afraid of the people it governs. That would seem a gross, Thomas Paine-like, perversion of John Locke’s Social Contract. America isn’t a Democracy, it’s a Republic. In a Republic we elect people who are supposed to devote themselves to learning about all of important issues so that they can make informed decisions on them. This is something that the normal American doesn’t have the time or the inclination to do. Your notion of a government needing to fear its people in order to be responsible to their wishes also runs up against historical dictatorships who were extremely afraid of their people which only led to them being more ruthless in suppressing those same wishes. Balance is everything my maple leaf chewing, syrup bathing, vulcanized rubber puck licking friend.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:33 PM
How many other nations have two party systems?
February 20th, 2013 at 5:35 PM
How many other nations have two party systems?
In the exact same sense that we do? Hardly any. But political parties are very different in this country than in any other. We have big tent parties that encompass wide ranging beliefs on both sides. Most other countries have parties with narrower platforms which naturally leads them to represent a more fragmented voting public.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:47 PM
Well neither of these options seem optimal. It feels like the 3rd biggest country should probably have more than 2 parties, but I understand why you’d want to have majority rule as opposed to plurality rule…I don’t like politics.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:59 PM
I’m not going to get into all of the details, but paying players would destroy college sports. You couldn’t fund non-revenue sports. You couldn’t comply with Title XI.
If you destroy college sports, then the 99% of NCAA athletes who have zero chance of making it in the pros will have lost. The other 1% will have no springboard for marketing because they lose the exposure that the popularity of college sports give them. So who’s looking out for the athletes again? Just curious… because there is no replacement golden goose once you kill college sports.
February 20th, 2013 at 6:00 PM
Politicians should be kowtowing to us and not vice versa. A modern politician’s primary concern is re-election and the people who can afford to deliver that for them. Not surprising in this climate all gains, even the stimulus gains, are going to those who can potentially control election outcomes.
February 20th, 2013 at 6:02 PM
Fat lazy cunts.
February 20th, 2013 at 6:04 PM
Politicians should be kowtowing to us and not vice versa. A modern politician’s primary concern is re-election and the people who can afford to deliver that for them. Not surprising in this climate all gains, even the stimulus gains, are going to those who can potentially control election outcomes.
I still don’t see how any of that supports your earlier point that government should fear it’s people.
Fat lazy cunts.
When is the last time you had an election? Yeah, fuck off. We have those things every two years. And state and local elections every single year.
February 20th, 2013 at 6:08 PM
2011 we had a federal election and the extremely close outcome was stolen by…wait for it…..Pierre Poutine for the dick head Tories. No one seems to care.
They’re acting like their crimes have no consequences and seemingly they don’t.
February 20th, 2013 at 6:11 PM
They’re acting like their crimes have no consequences and seemingly they don’t.
“Crimes”? How about “actions” instead. Citizens United was a terrible ruling that dealt a major blow to basic electoral fairness. But I still don’t see how any of what you say is a reason to put barricades in the streets and commandeer tanks to roll down Constitution Avenue.
February 20th, 2013 at 6:12 PM
Also, soused, they found your girlfriend in Los Angeles.
February 20th, 2013 at 6:13 PM
Ok, I’m finished here. I’m leaving Leah Francis behind as a prize for all those that read to the very end of this thread.
February 20th, 2013 at 6:14 PM
Thanks MS, blocked here at work.
February 20th, 2013 at 6:27 PM
Frankly any society with this rate of incarceration, inequality, lack of social mobility are complete bitches for not fucking shit up, let alone putting on their finest smock to appease some cunt in his palace who is seemingly fine with the rate of incarceration, inequality and lack of social mobility.