NCAA Tournament Analysis: Comparing At-Large Candidates By How a Typical Tournament Team Would Do Against Their Schedule
Select members of the media did their bracket exercise at the end of last week. I was not one of them. Seth Davis has often asked for people to submit their brackets if they don’t like what the committee does. What follows is my attempt to do that, first by laying out a way to compare teams, and then later, to use it to build a bracket in part II.
If you have read my bracketology projections every Friday, you know that I have been projecting how I think the field will turn out. That, though, is trying to guess what the committee will do, as well as projecting how the rest of the regular season will play out. This will be an exercise trying to measure results only to date.
Last week, I talked about New Mexico and Pittsburgh and how the RPI treats strength of schedule. I also talked about how the committee should try to objectively measure how many wins above or below an average at-large candidate each team is. So today, I did just that.
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Using Ken Pomeroy’s ratings, I tried to assign a win likelihood for each game on every tournament contender’s schedule, then looked at actual results to see if they had more or less wins. To calculate, though, I used what the 25th best team would have been expected to do against the same schedule, on the idea that represents about the average at-large team.
This method will give a little more certainty than things like “Top 50 wins” (where wins over Indiana and Florida are waaaaaaay better than beating a bubble team), “bad losses” (which are overused, referrring to both competitive conference road games against NIT type teams and sub-200 teams), as well as accounting for the site of the game.
So, basically, I’m looking at how an average at-large team would have been expected to do against each team’s schedule to date, with average luck, and then comparing it to the actual win total. No margin of victory, so overtime wins and losses count the same as blowouts. This is all about what a team has “accomplished” but tries to put it in some context of how others should have fared across the same schedule. How do the teams stack up, and how do you compare, say, Iowa to Villanova to Indiana State? Here you go. This is every team that shows up in the Top 60 of either the RPI, Ken Pomeroy, or both, as well as a few other select teams that are on bracket lists.
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Not only can this type of analysis be done on a full schedule, it could be useful for objectively viewing things like how Duke has done without Ryan Kelly compared to a typical tourney team, how others with early injuries have done since returns, and how Kentucky will fare looking at their closing schedule.
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February 18th, 2013 at 3:51 PM
Who are the 5 most talented teams in CBB this year? 1-8 on the roster.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:52 PM
File this under “only in Russia.“
February 18th, 2013 at 3:53 PM
Wishes that happened in America more often.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:54 PM
Who are the 5 most talented teams in CBB this year?
Team Dylan, Team Dylan, Team Dylan, Team Dylan, and Team Dylan.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:54 PM
I like this, though it’s (not surprisingly) unkind to my Friars.
Out of curiosity, will you revisit this just prior to Selection Sunday?
February 18th, 2013 at 3:56 PM
I uninstalled that piece of trash Google Chrome that you assholes said was the greatest thing since canned beer. Eff ya’ll.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:56 PM
I uninstalled that piece of trash Google Chrome that you assholes said was the greatest thing since canned beer. Eff ya’ll.
Firefox is the way to go.
/never used Chrome
//anything is better than Explorer
February 18th, 2013 at 3:59 PM
IMO — Florida, Michigan, Indiana, Gonzaga, Louisville
February 18th, 2013 at 4:00 PM
I’m hoping the comments that pertain to the actual written material will help me understand it better. As of right now, I’d say I have a loose understanding of it at best.
I am mostly confused as to how this idea of the #25 team is actually displayed in the results.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:02 PM
Out of curiosity, how is the site factored into your calculations? I don’t pay the $20 for kenpom. I know he posts percentages for future games, but I never found out how the site factored in.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:05 PM
SC, I think what he’s saying is that if the 25th best team (currently Marquette in kenpom) played Iowa’s schedule, they would be expected to win 17.9 games. Iowa has won .9 games less than that 25th ranked team would have, theoretically.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:06 PM
IMO — Florida, Michigan, Indiana, Gonzaga, Louisville
Miami is still up there. Do teams really need that much depth? So if Miami could only have 8 guys on their tourney team they wouldnt be a 1 or 2 if the season ended today?
February 18th, 2013 at 4:07 PM
You don’t want one dude getting two early fouls fucking you over.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:08 PM
Thanks, HTown. That’s kinda what I thought, but I wasn’t sure. Trying to use it to project exactly where on the bubble I should expect the Hawkeyes to be. With 31 automatic bids, that puts Iowa squarely in the middle of the bubble. I assumed they’d need to win 3 out of their 5 closing games and pick up a win against a B1G cellar dweller in Chicago to push them over the top. This… sorta confirms that.
That damn home loss to MSU…
February 18th, 2013 at 4:11 PM
SC, I think what he’s saying is that if the 25th best team (currently Marquette in kenpom) played Iowa’s schedule, they would be expected to win 17.9 games. Iowa has won .9 games less than that 25th ranked team would have, theoretically.
This is roughly correct. I reverse engineered it by looking at each day’s odds of winning when a team ranked 21st to 28th (at the time) was playing, and came up with separate numbers home, road, and neutral. I then best-fitted and smoothed it out where I was missing data points.
Things you learn: the difference between playing #1 and #10 is huge, but there is virtually no difference in playing 200 vs. 320 in how likely an at-large team should win. Also, an at-large team should be a slight underdog on the road until they play a team who is about 80th best in college basketball. Meanwhile, a decent at-large should be no worse than a pick em at home against the 12th best team.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:12 PM
I dunno, SC, this one website I go to projects Iowa as winning three of its last five, and yet still only gives them a 10% chance of earning a big.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:13 PM
I like this, though it’s (not surprisingly) unkind to my Friars.
Out of curiosity, will you revisit this just prior to Selection Sunday?
If you give me specific dates when Providence’s roster improved, I can tell you how strong a case they have if the committee considers that.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:15 PM
I am a mental midget when it comes to numbers and shit
February 18th, 2013 at 4:16 PM
Color me not shocked that Virginia is about -2 on actual wins to reality. Three losses against CAA teams will do that, as well as a couple bad losses in ACC play.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:16 PM
MSU @ home, WISC, MINN & PUR on the road. Big time missed opportunities. Win one of those and they’re in. That game against Illinois at Carver is very winnable, so I guess they’ll have to focus on taking 4 out of 5 to close. Or beating Indiana at Assembl- nevermind.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:19 PM
Appreciate that, but even I realize the resumé is not nearly strong enough. Some horrific losses. If they win 4 of their last 5 (assuming a loss at Syracuse) and do something in the BE tourney, they will at least have computer numbers good enough to merit them not being immediately discarded.
They were without a first team preseason all BE PG (Council) and a McDonald’s AA freshman (Dunn) for a considerable period, but I don’t have the dates, and I don’t think it merits much factoring unless they close like a freight train. I’m happy that they’ve climbed to 54 in kenpom after that start.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:21 PM
Man this is a great question. But i’m going to go 1-7 because the 8th guy is almost non existent on most of these teams. Teams just don’t go 8 deep that often in tournament play. On talent alone with no other factors I would go Indiana, Miami, Gonzaga, NC State, UCLA.
The fact that NC State and UCLA are on my list should tell you all you need to know about those coaches.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:21 PM
Haven’t visited KenPom since it was made to pay. There’s EIGHT B1G teams in his top 30? Iowa is 29th!? Crazy, man.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:26 PM
Had no idea Gonzaga was that talented. They’re always good, but how often are they among the 5 most talented teams? Mark Few is good at what he does.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:26 PM
So they’re the SEC of college basketball?
February 18th, 2013 at 4:29 PM
Dunn and Council were only missing at the beginning of the year and the games they missed Providence went 10-2. So that’s not a factor at all. Providence will be an interesting case if they get to 10-8. They have some horrid losses like to BC, Brown, Penn State (Without Dunn), and Depaul, but they could possibly have 6 top 50 wins which would be better than a lot of teams and season sweep of fellow bubble team Villanova.
Is that resume with two wins in the BET good enough? Would be close I think with a year like this.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:30 PM
The SEC is a highly undervalued conference. 1-14 they’re probably every bit as good as the Big Ten.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:30 PM
This comment further cements you as the embodiment of the SEC fanboy stereotype.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:33 PM
lol
February 18th, 2013 at 4:34 PM
This…immediately preceded by this
made me laugh
February 18th, 2013 at 4:34 PM
I watched 5 min of UGA and wanted to cry. Just a terrible, terrible product.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:36 PM
Kelly Olynyk gives them so many more options. He’s so efficient from the center spot that it lets Elias Harris roam the floor a lot easier. When Sacre was there Sacre would muck up the middle of the lane and he, in essence, took away Harris’ driving opportunities by getting in the way.
They are also one of the handful of teams that can easily go 8 or 9 deep and play a multitude of ways. Big, small, fast, two point guards, no point guards. Two centers, etc etc.
This by far Few’s most talented team. Two really big questions though.
1. How will they react to a close game after the Butler fiasco?
2. How will Few cut the rotation down in the tournament? I don’t think you can sit Hart, but that’s the way he may have to go.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:42 PM
You laugh!
Head to head
Florida = Indiana
Kentucky w/ Noel = Michigan State
Alabama = Michigan
Ole Miss = Ohio State
Missouri = Wisconsin
Tennessee = Minnesota
I can keep going.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:43 PM
I thought you were just trolling. But keep it up if not. Watson’s head’ll explode if you keep it up.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:45 PM
you forgot Arkansas. Tennessee sucks ass, then again so does Minnesota, and there is no way Bama is as good as Michigan
February 18th, 2013 at 4:45 PM
I thought he was as well. But yes, Trey, please continue.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:47 PM
Really great trolling here. Top notch stuff.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:48 PM
It’s what Trey excels at.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:49 PM
so no side bets on the Arkansas-Georgia game this Thursday?
it baffles me how a team like Georgia isn’t at least competitive in basketball most years. I know that no one really gives a shit about UGA basketball, but it would seem like they could get at least a player or two from in state that is pretty good and would want to go there every year. but more often than not they are straight dog shit.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:49 PM
Well the Big Ten has adopted the Missouri Valley approach to basketball this year. Look at their out of conference schedules. Outside of Michigan State everyone loaded up on teams that weren’t so awful they’d kill them in the RPI.
Prediction. The 7 or so Big Ten teams that make the tourney all bounce before the Final Four.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:50 PM
I’ll be the sport ends as we know it by halftime. Babies will be crying, players will quit and fans will sit there in a stunned silence at just how bad what they’re watching truly is.
One big issue is Adams and Co refuse to let Mark Fox play the AAU game. That’s not the main reason why they’re bad, but it’s a big one.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:56 PM
uh, Minnesota and Wisconsin have the #1 and #3 SOS. Michigan’s is #16. Illinois has #2. you should have kept going with your = thingy. it was more convincing.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:56 PM
Would be shocked if this happened. Wouldn’t be shocked if Indiana and MUS make it.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:00 PM
Wow. Way to go out on a limb here. In a tournament that is based heavily on randomness and matchups 7 teams won’t be in the final four. Prediction. One team will win the National championship.
SHUT IT DOWN.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:01 PM
LSU, the hottest team in the SEC, is playing its way into NCAA contention!
/ No, no they’re not
// Also not the hottest team in the NCAA
/// But they did beat Mizzou two weeks ago
February 18th, 2013 at 5:02 PM
The ol’ weighted Out Of Conference trick! Out of conference strength of schedule…
Michigan – 121
Michigan State – 63
Indiana – 81
Wisconsin – 112
Ohio State – 122
Illinois at 39 had a respectable out of conference SOS. Minnesota the best at 12.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:05 PM
Maybe Husker was right. They are the SEC of college basketball.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:07 PM
Considering you all are blowing the Big Ten back to the stone age I thought I’d drop a little reality on you. Solid conference. Probably will get their lunch handed to them in the tourney.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:07 PM
um, i prefer to use all the numbers and not be selective.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:09 PM
lol. if you said. “the B1G will be done at the end of the first weekend,” then I would say you have a pair of balls.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:10 PM
holy SHIT
February 18th, 2013 at 5:13 PM
How is that selective? My argument is that the Big Ten is a product of what we’ll call the Missouri Valley Plan. Play one or two tough games. 10-12 teams that are okay but should be easy wins and move on to tournament gold.
Most the Big Ten skirted through out of conference schedules that featured the Illinois States of the world giving 7 teams solid records and allowing games against each other to elevate their actual SOS.
The Mountain West is doing the same thing right now.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:30 PM
solid troll x2
February 19th, 2013 at 7:08 AM
While that is true, the two losses were by 2 to UMass and in overtime to Penn St. It’s fair to say they probably would have won those two with Council, considering they had to play a walkon the full 45 minutes against PSU ‘cuz they only had 6 bodies.