curry’s talent would never be realized because of his amazing laziness. the man became an obese professional basketball player

I can’t argue against the result. I have my opinions on how he arrived there, but the result is the result. Hw was lazy and obese.

Have at Walsh’s poor record of player acquisition and drafting all you want. That’s a more apt way to criticize someone than for the failed run at LBJ.

I don’t give a damn about him failing to acquire LeBron. My problem is that every bad decision he made in regards to the draft and player acquisition was in the hopes that they would be lucky enough to get LeBron to want to sign with the Knicks. That was the 2 plus season plan. Dolan historically has stayed out of way of who he hires, and out of the limelight in general, so there is no reason for me to believe he was any different with Walsh as those characteristics never changed. The ironic thing is the only time Dolan ever pulled rank is when he made it known he wanted the Anthony trade to be made immediately. For all of the bad moves this dude Walsh made, he wanted to wait until he had the opportunity to acquire a superstar to become conservative in the hopes of hanging on to the likes of Gallinari and Moskov with the hopes that Denver wouldn’t be able to pull off a trade with anyone else and the assumed certainty that Anthony would automatically sign with the Knicks in the offseason.

It was Scott Layden’s fault, it was Isiah Thomas’ fault, but when it comes to Donnie Walsh, it was James Dolan’s fault when Dolan is the common denominator for all 3?

Fuck that shit, I could care less about Donnie Walsh. I’d be happy to blame James Dolan for everything, and most of it probably is his fault. I agree he is the reason the Knicks have been one of the NBA’s least successful since 2000.

But blaming Layden and Thomas for their moves / drafting is not the same as blaming Walsh for an organization wide decision to put all their chips in for Lebron. Could it of been Walsh’s choice? Probably, but I choose to believe that was likely a decision pushed by a higher-up, particularly when you look at who ended up bitching about it most when Lebron said no.

Have at Walsh’s poor record of player acquisition and drafting all you want. That’s a more apt way to criticize someone than for the failed run at LBJ.

Also, given everything known about the Dolan/Thomas relationship and I don’t think it is remotely a stretch to say that working relationship was likely vastly different than Dolan/Walsh or Dolan/Layden. Probably for the dertriment.

You really expect me to believe this was Donne Walsh’s plan, and not James Dolan’s?

In this case, it looks like you’re finding the wrong white guy to blame.

It was Scott Layden’s fault, it was Isiah Thomas’ fault, but when it comes to Donnie Walsh, it was James Dolan’s fault when Dolan is the common denominator for all 3? In this case it sounds like I offended someone by holding their favorite white guy to the same disdain that others in his position received, when he had the worst performance of the 3.

i think it was curry scott skiles was referring to when a reporter asked a question about how curry could rebound better. skiles said ‘jump’

Zeke was an abomination

Not really. He had some hits and some misses. The latter were of the expensive variety, however, which is the reason he’s still being vilified.

Tellingly, they were silent when Donnie Walsh decided to throw away 2 years just on the hope of LeBron James being interested in playing for the Knicks.

You really expect me to believe this was Donne Walsh’s plan, and not James Dolan’s?

In this case, it looks like you’re finding the wrong white guy to blame.

Eventually landed Anthony, so it wasn’t all bad

Walsh made a lot of mistakes but his saving grace was he managed the cap well. And being in NYC, that resulted in a 23 win team being a playoff team in 2 years.

You have a point, especially with Atlanta. But with the Knicks as they are built, I can’t imagine them lasting long chasing through screens.

Make that trade for another small forward. That leaves Smith, Shumpert, and the new guy to chase twos and threes

Curry was a risk based on his potential heart condition

He was also a risk based on being a poor player. Couldn’t rebound, couldn’t defend his own shadow. His best feature – his low post offense – was also a negative because he was a turnover machine and couldn’t shoot free throws. Zeke was an abomination as a gm no matter how much cherry picking is done on his behalf.

Tellingly, they were silent when Donnie Walsh decided to throw away 2 years just on the hope of LeBron James being interested in playing for the Knicks.

Eventually landed Anthony, so it wasn’t all bad

Same switching D in Atlanta too. Despite the fact he had good defensive personnel with Joe Johnson, Smith, Horford, etc. Exactly why I didn’t want him hired. And switching Tyson Chandler onto Chris Paul isn’t a personnel issue. It’s a poor schematics issue.

You have a point, especially with Atlanta. But with the Knicks as they are built, I can’t imagine them lasting long chasing through screens.

Plus, he is a terrible defender.

this is true.

His problem was that he had no sense of how to build a competent roster, and was a horrible judge of “superstar” NBA talent – Starbury, Francis, Eddy Curry, etc.

Marbury was supertar NBA talent. Curry was a risk based on his potential heart condition and his previous questionable work ethic before his breakout year. The Bulls were ready to re-sign him contingent on DNA testing for his condition. Francis was a trade made to appease Larry Brown who wanted no part of Trevor Ariza….I’m not saying that this team was good enough to win a championship, but the purpose of that team was to stay somewhat competitive while rebuilding. Isiah had a plan. Hell, he turned Channing Frye into Zach Randolph. It just so happened that those young players were all caught in the crossfire of the Marbury/Thomas-Larry Brown beef, and when the Brown loving media took up the cause of Brown being fired, it was all done. Tellingly, they were silent when Donnie Walsh decided to throw away 2 years just on the hope of LeBron James being interested in playing for the Knicks.

based on his personnel, what is the alternative?

Same switching D in Atlanta too. Despite the fact he had good defensive personnel with Joe Johnson, Smith, Horford, etc. Exactly why I didn’t want him hired. And switching Tyson Chandler onto Chris Paul isn’t a personnel issue. It’s a poor schematics issue.

was a horrible judge of “superstar” NBA talent – Starbury, Francis, Eddy Curry, etc.

Not nearly enough consideration of personality/work ethic

Jamal Crawford.

Talented and fun to watch, but the guy is a serious chucker.

Plus, he is a terrible defender.

Fits the sixth man role perfectly

His problem was that he had no sense of how to build a competent roster, and was a horrible judge of “superstar” NBA talent – Starbury, Francis, Eddy Curry, etc.