I am happy with 3 mile walks with arm weights (walk with wife and alternate who is pushing stroller) or a 45-60 min insanity / p90x / Plyo workout. That stuff about 4-5 times a week seems to be working for me.

Caffeine is supposed to be good before a run. Not me. Ever. It’ll end badly.

I usually drink coffee while I work out

Cutting out bread (or treating it like chocolate cake, ie a treat) is helpful for anyone who ha 10-20 lbs they want to lose

I do this when I’m cutting

Btw- I got all fired up about this because the earlier comments talking about how you need to go vegan / organic / whole foods to be healthy. I thought that is such BS. I know fat vegetarians who eat organic. That is not the path to health.

I am now 5-11 178. Cutting out bread (or treating it like chocolate cake, ie a treat) is helpful for anyone who ha 10-20 lbs they want to lose. Not just the fattys who need to lose 60.

I’d also say replace ‘out’ with ‘down’. If people can’t handle that diet, it won’t help them at all. Having realistic changes is important. It’s not always realistic economically, either, since bread/rice/pasta are an staple of most diets. If you look at differences between ‘fat’ countries and ‘thin’ countries though, carb consumption isn’t it. I hear the Asians do eat rice occasionally.

I am now 5-11 178. Cutting out bread (or treating it like chocolate cake, ie a treat) is helpful for anyone who ha 10-20 lbs they want to lose. Not just the fattys who need to lose 60.

I’d much rather have an empty colon than a full stomach.

/I’m actually serious about this.

Easier said than done.

I used to do triathlons – lots of training and lots of eating to keep from crashing. When I quit the biking and swimming part of the workouts, I had a hard time scaling back the food intake and I was constantly hungry. Went from a very lean (5’11) 178 to a not so lean 195 pretty quickly, even while running.

Yes because changing on a week to week basis for most normal people is the same as someone who was training for tris.

I think 170 is low for that height.

3500 is a lot of calories in a day. I think I average out around 2200 or so. When I am doing insanity Plyo workouts I might get up to 2500-2600.

Anything about 2500 is a lot, and when you burn that many calories, you rely on bread to get you there.

Before a run I like to have some bread (bagel or english muffin) and some protein (an egg or two), no milk, and a lot of OJ. Fructose has a different metabolism pathway, and I always try to have a big glass of OJ about 40 minutes before a run to boost blood sugar without the same sort of regulation a complex carb has.

Easier said than done.

I used to do triathlons – lots of training and lots of eating to keep from crashing. When I quit the biking and swimming part of the workouts, I had a hard time scaling back the food intake and I was constantly hungry. Went from a very lean (5’11) 178 to a not so lean 195 pretty quickly, even while running.

Right now, I’m at about 188. As a normal human, not doing tri’s, I should be at about 170. I’m not doing any weight training right now and that would help take 10 off pretty quickly.

Yeah… Not so simple really. Especially if you wait another 20 years. Hard to change a habit you have spent 50 years acquiring.

While I appreciate your apparently quite strong concern for my well-being, and thank your for your insight into my psychology and history, I really think there are others you should be more concerned about. Most people who are having this discussion here know enough about health to make healthy choices, or figure them out, if they truly desire.

you adjust your diet. Pretty simple

Yeah… Not so simple really. Especially if you wait another 20 years. Hard to change a habit you have spent 50 years acquiring.

Mr. “I run it all off” – what will you do when you can’t run it all off anymore. You will get old and that will happen.

I don’t think you read or understood anything I wrote. What works for fatass to lose 60 pounds isn’t necessary for everyone. When I stop burning those calories… I eat less. Even on a week to week basis.

But just because the ideal diet that humans evolved on didn’t involve bread, doesn’t mean everyone needs to cut it out entirely. Bread can be a part of a perfectly healthy and sustainable diet.

Get yourself a snack.

Lots of carrots and apples