Jim Nantz on Face The Nation: “Women’s Soccer Players Are Two and a Half Times More Likely to Get Concussions than Football Players.” Where’s the Proof?
Jim Nantz went on “Face the Nation” Sunday morning and made the following claim, with Roger Goodell also on set: ”[r]esearch shows that at the college level, a women’s soccer player is two and half times more likely to suffer a concussion than a college football player. I don’t hear anyone saying right now, ‘should we put our daughter in these soccer programs?’”
That is an incredible claim. It’s one thing to defend a buddy and make claims that are opinions in support of him, it’s another to go on a national television program and throw out a number that women’s soccer players are 2.5 times more likely to get a concussion than football players. Where’s the proof?
He cites “research.” Is it published somewhere? If it is, I cannot find any reference to it. I’ve searched for several hours and haven’t turned up any particular study that comes close. I’ve found others that involve research on concussions in college and high school, but cannot find any that are anywhere close to this number.
Here’s what I can generally say, based on reviewing the research. Female athletes appear to be more likely to sustain concussions within the same sport as males. This is true for basketball and soccer, according to multiple sources. CBS News, in fact, the same network where this appeared, had previously reported 64% increases for soccer by women vs. their male counterparts, and 300% in women’s basketball vs. men’s basketball. (Here’s another book excerpt with similar discussions). There is also reference that women have a higher traumatic brain injury rate in car wrecks, and that is about 2.5 times more likely, the only time I can find a similar number.
I did find one study, Concussions Among Collegiate and High School Athletes from 2007 in the Journal of Athletic Training. That found women’s soccer concussion rates basically equal to men’s football in college, but not high school. It reported rates of 6.3 per 10,000 exposures in women’s soccer vs. 4.9 for men’s soccer and 6.1 per 10,000 for men’s football. In high school, the rates for football were higher than both women’s and men’s soccer. That’s the most extreme case I can find, basically putting the concussion rates in the same range in college. It’s one study, and it is certainly not 2.5 times more, which would be incredible. Here’s a story from two days ago, citing the CDC in saying that high school football concussion rates are three times greater than the second highest sport, women’s soccer.
Here’s what the authors of that 2007 study that found slightly higher rates in college women’s soccer, by the way, said about reported concussion rates:
One possible explanation for the observed sex differences in concussion rates is biomechanical differences. Barnes et al suggested that differences in concussion symptoms between male and female soccer players may be due to smaller head to ball ratios or weaker necks. . . .
Cultural explanations may also play a role in the observed sex differences in concussion rates. Traditionally, US society has tended to be more protective of female athletes. This may lead coaches, ATs, and parents to treat head injuries in female athletes more seriously or to delay their return to play. Similar cultural tendencies may encourage male athletes to play despite injuries or to avoid reporting injuries, particularly in certain sports.
Certain sports may not be code word for football, but it very well could be, where we just saw the team in the Super Bowl playing with a quarterback who replaced another due to a reported concussion. I will note that according the trustworthy NCAA, the concussion rates were only 2.5 per 10,000 exposures, (still higher than rates in other sports) which would be way below the 2007 study linked above. The NCAA, of course, would have no reason to underreport concussion data relative to other independent studies when it came to football (sarcasm font). I suppose you could keep the women’s soccer rate in that study, but instead use the NCAA rate for football, and get—2.52. Hmmm. But that would be a completely inappropriate and illegitimate use of those differing numbers.
Here’s Concussion, Inc. author Irv Mushnick quoting Spiral of Denial author Matt Chaney
“Jim Nantz is a clown. His numbers are skewed for brain trauma in head-knocking football versus women’s soccer at colleges — like the bogus NCAA report last fall, allegedly documenting a mere 2.5 concussions for every 1,000 contact exposures in the game. Ridiculous. Considering the so-called symptoms of concussion — which aren’t scientifically defined or established, by any stretch yet — I had a brain trauma every time I suited up in full-contact college football, three to four days weekly during season.
So I’m left, after looking at all this, wondering where CBS’ number one play by play man came up with this 2.5 times more likely number. I can’t find it. It’s easy to provide talking points in blurbs, and a quick search shows this was a popular talking point for some conservative blogs, but it takes a lot longer to refute them. I’ve spent a few hours where Nantz took seconds with a larger pulpit. So Jim Nantz, where is the support for this claim?
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February 4th, 2013 at 5:16 PM
Jim Nantz is a clown
Matt Chaney, you’re a goddanmed genius!
February 4th, 2013 at 5:17 PM
Are you sure they just aren’t on their periods?
February 4th, 2013 at 5:20 PM
I have a hard time believing any retrospective cohort study on concussions. The difference in diagnosis criteria and medical protocols is just too inconsistent.
That’s like saying that there are 10x as many concussions per year in the NFL now vs. 10 years ago. Has very little to do with a change in actual brain injuries.
February 4th, 2013 at 5:21 PM
i like Nantz a lot, but geez, talk about stumping for the NFL …
February 4th, 2013 at 5:21 PM
I have a hard time believing any retrospective cohort study on concussions. The difference in diagnosis criteria and medical protocols is just too inconsistent.
That’s like saying that there are 10x as many concussions per year in the NFL now vs. 10 years ago. Has very little to do with a change in actual brain injuries.
No doubt an issue, just like reporting and diagnosis in different sports and genders may be different for reasons stated. I can’t even find a flawed study saying that it is 2.5 times higher, though, to even refute.
February 4th, 2013 at 5:25 PM
So if there are the same amount of concussions in Women’s Soccer and not 2.5x, doesn’t the question still stand? why aren’t people freaking out about this?
February 4th, 2013 at 5:25 PM
Nantz opinion means nothing. This guy is paid A LOT of money to announce football games, and he has a VERY hard time keeping track of who is on the field, what is going on, and the rules in general. He needs to stick to golf, that moves slow enough for his brain to keep up with.
I think Nantz might have taken one too many women’s soccer balls to the head this time.
February 4th, 2013 at 5:25 PM
Good post though… lotta good research and discussion of what data does exist.
February 4th, 2013 at 5:30 PM
Esiason had an interesting take on concussions/health care. I forgot the exact number, but he thinks a maximum of 5% of former players involved in the lawsuits against the NFL have legitimate claims. The rest are just in on a money grab
February 4th, 2013 at 5:31 PM
The easiest way to take down somebody that is not an expert is to treat them like one.
February 4th, 2013 at 5:33 PM
Maybe he meant there were 2.5x as many total concussions in women’s soccer, than in the NFL?? Since there are a lot more women soccer players (at high school and college) than NFL players. Also, I’m sure there are plenty of concussions in soccer, caused by, among other things, having the ball smack your head. But I wonder if most of those are far less severe than a lot of the concussions you find in the NFL.
Who knows with this guy!! Sorry for the anti-Nantz rant, but he just rubs me the wrong way, and I just had to spend the day listening to his incompetence during the biggest game of the year yesterday, so the wound is still fresh!
bk
February 4th, 2013 at 5:38 PM
Sounds about as scientific an estimate as Jim Nantz’s
February 4th, 2013 at 5:39 PM
I also like this logic.
There are no defined symptoms of concussion.
Therefore I have a concussion every day.
February 4th, 2013 at 5:40 PM
Lions cut malcontent Titus Young.
/duckworth’d?
//vlad is currently touching himself
February 4th, 2013 at 5:41 PM
True, but the fact that he thinks the percentage of legitimate cases is so low is striking
February 4th, 2013 at 5:41 PM
and by concussions he means injuries sustained during sex involving strapons.
/because they’re all lesbians
//allegedly
February 4th, 2013 at 5:50 PM
“Hello friends”
-Nantz, before concussing Chaney, bk, and squawkbox with one of his wine bottles
February 4th, 2013 at 5:51 PM
concussions aren’t the problem. cte is
also, that alabama wing nut has been shot. kid is fine
February 4th, 2013 at 5:52 PM
MERICA!
February 4th, 2013 at 5:52 PM
I saw The Raid Redemption today, guys. Two words: A MAZING
February 4th, 2013 at 5:53 PM
Yep. Exactly. The focus on concussions is a 100% spin created snowjob by the NFL because you can limit concussions through safety and rule changes to an extent. A guy can never have a concussion and can have CTE. There’s no concussion crisis, there’s a brain injury crisis, two massively different things and the media bought it hook line and sinker.
/cut to Rog sitting with YouTube sensation Pop Warner girl
//see parents, it’s safe!
February 4th, 2013 at 5:53 PM
ok, ap, scripty, i’m headed to the library today and will get RR
February 4th, 2013 at 5:54 PM
the game is not a safe one. stop trying to make it so
February 4th, 2013 at 5:54 PM
Just don’t watch it with your kids..or probably even your wife.
February 4th, 2013 at 5:54 PM
that sounds like porn ap
February 4th, 2013 at 5:54 PM
I’m just curious why the number of concussions for women soccer players is being inflated and why conservative blogs are running with it. Why would the topic of concussions for athletes be politicized?
February 4th, 2013 at 5:55 PM
Goodell says the game is safe. Sure thing, Rog!
February 4th, 2013 at 5:55 PM
something something racial bias something something
/i got nothin
February 4th, 2013 at 5:55 PM
Football is a multi billion dollar business and those who stand to lose the most from the litigation and public discussion are further right on the political spectrum.
February 4th, 2013 at 5:58 PM
Great read on the concussion framing of the discussion.
February 4th, 2013 at 5:58 PM
?
February 4th, 2013 at 6:00 PM
many owners of pro sports teams lean very right
February 4th, 2013 at 6:00 PM
those who stand to lose the most from the litigation and public discussion are further right on the political spectrum.
?
rich white owners
February 4th, 2013 at 6:03 PM
A convenient explanation, but I’m not going to blindly accept it’s validity. I can think of some very liberal and influential owners off the top of my head, Kraft and Rooney being the most prominent
February 4th, 2013 at 6:05 PM
I’ve always heard it’s around a 60/40 split. Mind the source but here’s somewhat of a breakdown. http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-romney-donations-nfl-contributions-woody-johnson-2012-9?op=1
I don’t think any of the owners are bringing politics into it, just saying that there is definitely some big political backers involved in the league so that might be an explanation for why conservative blogs are running with something.
February 4th, 2013 at 6:06 PM
Also I’d like to think Jim Irsay doesn’t vote.
February 4th, 2013 at 6:07 PM
The site coming up as broken HTML to anyone else?
February 4th, 2013 at 6:07 PM
Woody Johnson was involved in Romney’s campaign. That is easily the most embarrassing fact of Romney’s life
February 4th, 2013 at 6:07 PM
You’re just trolling MikeNYC right now. It’s like saying the right are cold-blooded..oh what’s that? They are? Oh, carry on then
February 4th, 2013 at 6:10 PM
The owners on the left like Rooney, Kraft, and Blank stand just as much to lose as those on the right of course but considering how much money is at stake I wouldn’t put it past any on either side to be getting their message out through various avenues.
February 4th, 2013 at 6:10 PM
Mugatu! That is world-class trolling. Teach me your methods
February 4th, 2013 at 6:21 PM
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February 4th, 2013 at 6:24 PM
more than Mormonism? i think not
February 4th, 2013 at 6:26 PM
Woody Johnson is dumber than Mormonism, against all odds
February 4th, 2013 at 6:27 PM
that’s an insult to woody johnson. mormonism is really dumb, but not as dumb as scientology
February 4th, 2013 at 6:31 PM
that’s an insult to woody johnson. mormonism is really dumb, but not as dumb as scientology
love religion snobs
February 4th, 2013 at 6:33 PM
love religion snobs
for real. i myself have enjoyed Big Love and have no qualms betting on BYU
February 4th, 2013 at 6:38 PM
thanks!
/has done enough research on those two groups to realize how dumb they are
February 4th, 2013 at 6:42 PM
thanks!
/has done enough research on those two groups to realize how dumb they are
so you’re saying mormons and scientologists are 2.5x more likely to be dumb than your fellow believers?
February 4th, 2013 at 6:45 PM
Ahmad Rashad is on the Golf Channel. What…the…fuck? Wiki’d him to see if he works there, and he is apparently married to Woody Johnson’s ex-wife
February 4th, 2013 at 7:40 PM
If only there were a way for a fake journalist like Jason Lisk to contact CBS Sports and ask for the source. Like maybe an email address such as pr@cbssports.com.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cbs+sports+contact+information
February 5th, 2013 at 8:31 AM
And Nantz is supposed to be a journalist. He is a clown
February 5th, 2013 at 9:01 AM
I used to be a big Jim Nantz fan, but his time is over. I think he has over-saturated me. He dabbles too much in things like this for my taste.
February 5th, 2013 at 5:17 PM
http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/05/09/11604307-concussion-crisis-growing-in-girls-soccer?lite
Now it doesn’t say anything about Women’s Soccer, maybe he met girls but I think his overall point was that concussions are focused too much on football but not other sports. Personally I think the reason it’s being focused on Football is the left-wing media hates the “all boys” club that NFL represents