<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:rawvoice="http://www.rawvoice.com/rawvoiceRssModule/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Jon Embree Said Black Football Coaches Don&#8217;t Get Second Chances. Do They?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/02/02/jon-embree-said-black-football-coaches-dont-get-second-chances-do-they/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/02/02/jon-embree-said-black-football-coaches-dont-get-second-chances-do-they/</link> <description>Sports, Media, Entertainment</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 03:05:58 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1</generator> <item><title>By: sctrojans</title><link>http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/02/02/jon-embree-said-black-football-coaches-dont-get-second-chances-do-they/comment-page-1/#comment-1889085</link> <dc:creator>sctrojans</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 02:50:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thebiglead.com/?p=242387#comment-1889085</guid> <description><![CDATA[College ball seems to afford less second chances in general. Not too many coaches in BCS conferences who have failed at another school]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>College ball seems to afford less second chances in general. Not too many coaches in BCS conferences who have failed at another school</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah!</title><link>http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/02/02/jon-embree-said-black-football-coaches-dont-get-second-chances-do-they/comment-page-1/#comment-1889081</link> <dc:creator>Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah!</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 02:34:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thebiglead.com/?p=242387#comment-1889081</guid> <description><![CDATA[Embree is a college coach talking about opportunities in college.  Why are we talking about the NFL in relation to what Embree was talking about?]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Embree is a college coach talking about opportunities in college.  Why are we talking about the NFL in relation to what Embree was talking about?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: got_em_looking</title><link>http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/02/02/jon-embree-said-black-football-coaches-dont-get-second-chances-do-they/comment-page-1/#comment-1888972</link> <dc:creator>got_em_looking</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 23:40:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thebiglead.com/?p=242387#comment-1888972</guid> <description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Presumed Problem Statement &lt;/strong&gt;NFL owners aren&#039;t hiring enough black coaches wholly or partly due to candidates&#039; race and/or tangential consequences attributable to their race but having nothing to do with ability to coach however the NFL measures such ability.&lt;strong&gt;Root Cause Analysis&lt;/strong&gt;Many problems are due to combination of causes working in concert however most can be distilled into a single root cause if each cause is subjected to enough &quot;why?&quot; queries. Lets assume this is a singular root cause problem.Possible Root Causes: A) There aren&#039;t enough black coaching candidates in the first place. B) The NFL owners are racist. C) The NFL owners aren&#039;t exposed to qualified black coaching candidates.&lt;strong&gt;Root Cause A: Few candidates&lt;/strong&gt; At worst the NFL has no power to fix this at best it can effect slow and indirect change. This root cause unfortunately either has no solution or the solution is so deeply rooted in the same societal issues sometimes attributed to similar problems such as the dearth of black medical doctors. If so the NFL on its own will be hard pressed to make a dent here or evaluate its corrective measures for a generation or more.&lt;strong&gt;Root Cause B: Damn Racists!&lt;/strong&gt; Here we address the possibility that a majority of NFL owners are for one reason or another biased against blacks holding head coaching positions. Our mitigation options: 1) Replace the current racist owners with non-prejudiced men and women. 2) Reform the racist owners. 3) Mandate a quota for a minimum number of black coaches.For (2) there are no reliable tools available to measure the effectiveness of mitigation strategies short of a mind reading device. Therefore, the current Rooney Rule in this respect cannot be called to account for progress on (2) since a truly reformed racist may still hire a white coach even after interviewing a black coach. (1) and (3) are impractical or create less satisfactory outcomes than the status quo.&lt;strong&gt;Root Cause C: Exposure&lt;/strong&gt; In this scenario the owners just aren&#039;t aware of the qualified black candidates. Solution? Lets make them aware or in essence address an equality of opportunity problem. Rooney Rule generally tries to do this however untastefully (my opinion). Now since equality of opportunity and equality of outcomes aren&#039;t the same we have no reason to believe the Rooney Rule is not working especially based on the outcomes of one offseason.Lets take a second look at our presumed problem statement. What are the chances the reason why the proportion of black NFL coaches isn&#039;t to our liking is primarily due to the blackness of the coaches and the establishment&#039;s reaction to said blackness of their skin and/or its emergent properties having nothing to do with coaching ability? 0%? 5%? 50%?Is even posing this question publicly a symptom of prejudice? Not necessarily.Yes there is no law of nature holding the root cause of our unsatisfactory reality in conformity with our current tastes in political correctness however it is still possible our problem isn&#039;t one that requires prejudiced white owners or the idea of intellectually inferior blacks to exist. Just as a proof of concept and not a claim of identity consider how the dearth of Latino NFL coaches requires neither racist owners nor inferior Latinos to exist.By the way so you don&#039;t dismiss this offhand as a biased view of a prejudiced mind, I&#039;m just a Sub-Saharan African observing and applying the problem solving techniques that proves so effective in many works of life to this situation.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Presumed Problem Statement </strong></p><p>NFL owners aren&#8217;t hiring enough black coaches wholly or partly due to candidates&#8217; race and/or tangential consequences attributable to their race but having nothing to do with ability to coach however the NFL measures such ability.</p><p><strong>Root Cause Analysis</strong></p><p>Many problems are due to combination of causes working in concert however most can be distilled into a single root cause if each cause is subjected to enough &#8220;why?&#8221; queries. Lets assume this is a singular root cause problem.</p><p>Possible Root Causes:<br /> A) There aren&#8217;t enough black coaching candidates in the first place.<br /> B) The NFL owners are racist.<br /> C) The NFL owners aren&#8217;t exposed to qualified black coaching candidates.</p><p><strong>Root Cause A: Few candidates</strong><br /> At worst the NFL has no power to fix this at best it can effect slow and indirect change. This root cause unfortunately either has no solution or the solution is so deeply rooted in the same societal issues sometimes attributed to similar problems such as the dearth of black medical doctors. If so the NFL on its own will be hard pressed to make a dent here or evaluate its corrective measures for a generation or more.</p><p><strong>Root Cause B: Damn Racists!</strong><br /> Here we address the possibility that a majority of NFL owners are for one reason or another biased against blacks holding head coaching positions. Our mitigation options:<br /> 1) Replace the current racist owners with non-prejudiced men and women.<br /> 2) Reform the racist owners.<br /> 3) Mandate a quota for a minimum number of black coaches.</p><p>For (2) there are no reliable tools available to measure the effectiveness of mitigation strategies short of a mind reading device. Therefore, the current Rooney Rule in this respect cannot be called to account for progress on (2) since a truly reformed racist may still hire a white coach even after interviewing a black coach. (1) and (3) are impractical or create less satisfactory outcomes than the status quo.</p><p><strong>Root Cause C: Exposure</strong><br /> In this scenario the owners just aren&#8217;t aware of the qualified black candidates. Solution? Lets make them aware or in essence address an equality of opportunity problem. Rooney Rule generally tries to do this however untastefully (my opinion). Now since equality of opportunity and equality of outcomes aren&#8217;t the same we have no reason to believe the Rooney Rule is not working especially based on the outcomes of one offseason.</p><p>Lets take a second look at our presumed problem statement. What are the chances the reason why the proportion of black NFL coaches isn&#8217;t to our liking is primarily due to the blackness of the coaches and the establishment&#8217;s reaction to said blackness of their skin and/or its emergent properties having nothing to do with coaching ability? 0%? 5%? 50%?</p><p>Is even posing this question publicly a symptom of prejudice? Not necessarily.</p><p>Yes there is no law of nature holding the root cause of our unsatisfactory reality in conformity with our current tastes in political correctness however it is still possible our problem isn&#8217;t one that requires prejudiced white owners or the idea of intellectually inferior blacks to exist. Just as a proof of concept and not a claim of identity consider how the dearth of Latino NFL coaches requires neither racist owners nor inferior Latinos to exist.</p><p>By the way so you don&#8217;t dismiss this offhand as a biased view of a prejudiced mind, I&#8217;m just a Sub-Saharan African observing and applying the problem solving techniques that proves so effective in many works of life to this situation.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: sctrojans</title><link>http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/02/02/jon-embree-said-black-football-coaches-dont-get-second-chances-do-they/comment-page-1/#comment-1888926</link> <dc:creator>sctrojans</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 22:26:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thebiglead.com/?p=242387#comment-1888926</guid> <description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;He’s white and got a second shot in spite of a lot of signs of burnout over the past couple of seasons.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Counterpoint: he&#039;s 130-93-1 in the regular season, 10-9 in the postseason]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He’s white and got a second shot in spite of a lot of signs of burnout over the past couple of seasons.</p></blockquote><p>Counterpoint: he&#8217;s 130-93-1 in the regular season, 10-9 in the postseason</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: starkweather</title><link>http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/02/02/jon-embree-said-black-football-coaches-dont-get-second-chances-do-they/comment-page-1/#comment-1888925</link> <dc:creator>starkweather</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 22:18:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thebiglead.com/?p=242387#comment-1888925</guid> <description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;His relation to this post is unclear&lt;/em&gt;He&#039;s white and got a second shot in spite of a lot of signs of burnout over the past couple of seasons.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>His relation to this post is unclear</em></p><p>He&#8217;s white and got a second shot in spite of a lot of signs of burnout over the past couple of seasons.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Niger, Please.</title><link>http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/02/02/jon-embree-said-black-football-coaches-dont-get-second-chances-do-they/comment-page-1/#comment-1888921</link> <dc:creator>Niger, Please.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:41:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thebiglead.com/?p=242387#comment-1888921</guid> <description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;the argument could be made that he deserved one more year in Tampa. &lt;/blockquote&gt;No, not at all. Lost 10 straight and none of them were close. Team quit on him. He was just a cheap placeholder until Gruden came off the books.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the argument could be made that he deserved one more year in Tampa.</p></blockquote><p>No, not at all. Lost 10 straight and none of them were close. Team quit on him. He was just a cheap placeholder until Gruden came off the books.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: sctrojans</title><link>http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/02/02/jon-embree-said-black-football-coaches-dont-get-second-chances-do-they/comment-page-1/#comment-1888920</link> <dc:creator>sctrojans</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:35:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thebiglead.com/?p=242387#comment-1888920</guid> <description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;and you know this because?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Reports&lt;blockquote&gt;Also – Andy Reid.&lt;/blockquote&gt;His relation to this post is unclear]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>and you know this because?</p></blockquote><p>Reports</p><blockquote><p>Also – Andy Reid.</p></blockquote><p>His relation to this post is unclear</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jim Harbaugh Scramble</title><link>http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/02/02/jon-embree-said-black-football-coaches-dont-get-second-chances-do-they/comment-page-1/#comment-1888918</link> <dc:creator>Jim Harbaugh Scramble</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:23:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thebiglead.com/?p=242387#comment-1888918</guid> <description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;the argument could be made that he deserved one more year in Tampa.&lt;/blockquote&gt;who the fuck is going to make that fucking argument.  The guy crashed and burned.  he was totally clueless and lost the players.  will never be a head coach again.The real shame is dumbass Raiders firing Hue after going 8-8 with a lousy team.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the argument could be made that he deserved one more year in Tampa.</p></blockquote><p>who the fuck is going to make that fucking argument.  The guy crashed and burned.  he was totally clueless and lost the players.  will never be a head coach again.</p><p>The real shame is dumbass Raiders firing Hue after going 8-8 with a lousy team.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: somewhereoverthedwaynebowe</title><link>http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/02/02/jon-embree-said-black-football-coaches-dont-get-second-chances-do-they/comment-page-1/#comment-1888915</link> <dc:creator>somewhereoverthedwaynebowe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:11:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thebiglead.com/?p=242387#comment-1888915</guid> <description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Dave Wannstedt just got a job as a special teams coach, and Lovie Smith has a year of buyout checks to cash.&lt;/em&gt;ha. way to miss the point entirely.&lt;em&gt;Lovie only wants to be a head coach&lt;/em&gt;and you know this because? Also - Andy Reid.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Dave Wannstedt just got a job as a special teams coach, and Lovie Smith has a year of buyout checks to cash.</em></p><p>ha. way to miss the point entirely.</p><p><em>Lovie only wants to be a head coach</em></p><p>and you know this because? Also &#8211; Andy Reid.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: A.P.</title><link>http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/02/02/jon-embree-said-black-football-coaches-dont-get-second-chances-do-they/comment-page-1/#comment-1888913</link> <dc:creator>A.P.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:35:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thebiglead.com/?p=242387#comment-1888913</guid> <description><![CDATA[the mustache just wants to coach. he doesn&#039;t care if it&#039;s an assistant position. Lovie only wants to be a head coach]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the mustache just wants to coach. he doesn&#8217;t care if it&#8217;s an assistant position. Lovie only wants to be a head coach</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Faulkner</title><link>http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/02/02/jon-embree-said-black-football-coaches-dont-get-second-chances-do-they/comment-page-1/#comment-1888910</link> <dc:creator>Faulkner</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:34:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thebiglead.com/?p=242387#comment-1888910</guid> <description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Dave Wandstedt just got another job and Lovie Smith remains unemployed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Dave Wannstedt just got a job as a special teams coach, and Lovie Smith has a year of buyout checks to cash.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dave Wandstedt just got another job and Lovie Smith remains unemployed.</p></blockquote><p>Dave Wannstedt just got a job as a special teams coach, and Lovie Smith has a year of buyout checks to cash.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: somewhereoverthedwaynebowe</title><link>http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/02/02/jon-embree-said-black-football-coaches-dont-get-second-chances-do-they/comment-page-1/#comment-1888907</link> <dc:creator>somewhereoverthedwaynebowe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:19:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thebiglead.com/?p=242387#comment-1888907</guid> <description><![CDATA[Dave Wandstedt just got another job and Lovie Smith remains unemployed. The man may have a point.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Wandstedt just got another job and Lovie Smith remains unemployed. The man may have a point.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Uncle Remus</title><link>http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/02/02/jon-embree-said-black-football-coaches-dont-get-second-chances-do-they/comment-page-1/#comment-1888903</link> <dc:creator>Uncle Remus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:11:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thebiglead.com/?p=242387#comment-1888903</guid> <description><![CDATA[Ty Willie did.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ty Willie did.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Cowboy Mike's Old Original Red Hot Ricochet Barbeque Sauce</title><link>http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/02/02/jon-embree-said-black-football-coaches-dont-get-second-chances-do-they/comment-page-1/#comment-1888895</link> <dc:creator>Cowboy Mike's Old Original Red Hot Ricochet Barbeque Sauce</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:38:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thebiglead.com/?p=242387#comment-1888895</guid> <description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Hue Jackson, Oakland Raiders (2010) Regular Season: 8-8Postseason: N/ANext job: Assistant to special teams and defensive backs,Cincinnati Bengals. Why couldn’t Jackson get a job on the offensive side of the ball? Jackson’s resume includes 24 years of experience, 12 as an offensive coordinator.Current Status: &lt;strong&gt;Barry Bonds impersonator at baseball card shows.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hue Jackson, Oakland Raiders (2010)<br /> Regular Season: 8-8</p><p>Postseason: N/A</p><p>Next job: Assistant to special teams and defensive backs,Cincinnati Bengals. Why couldn’t Jackson get a job on the offensive side of the ball? Jackson’s resume includes 24 years of experience, 12 as an offensive coordinator.</p><p>Current Status: <strong>Barry Bonds impersonator at baseball card shows.</strong></p></blockquote> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: A.P.</title><link>http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/02/02/jon-embree-said-black-football-coaches-dont-get-second-chances-do-they/comment-page-1/#comment-1888893</link> <dc:creator>A.P.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:36:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thebiglead.com/?p=242387#comment-1888893</guid> <description><![CDATA[also, a hearty FU to 5 of 7 syracuse guys not giving any effort on offense today.  Assholes]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, a hearty FU to 5 of 7 syracuse guys not giving any effort on offense today.  Assholes</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: sctrojans</title><link>http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/02/02/jon-embree-said-black-football-coaches-dont-get-second-chances-do-they/comment-page-1/#comment-1888891</link> <dc:creator>sctrojans</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:33:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.thebiglead.com/?p=242387#comment-1888891</guid> <description><![CDATA[If Billick and Fassel were black, Embree would have a stroke. Unfortunately, his point is idiotic]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Billick and Fassel were black, Embree would have a stroke. Unfortunately, his point is idiotic</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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