Stats Guy Ken Pomeroy vs. TV Analyst Seth Davis. Who You Got?

Seth Davis of CBS/SI took a thinly-veiled shot at stat guy Ken Pomeroy in a tweet this week, and it’s not the first time he’s done so. This time, Pomeroy decided to fire back with a question about why Davis supports the analytical approach when coaches spew it, but not when the stat guys do:
I don’t understand how one could criticize an approach that looks more generally at how a team played in an effort to better evaluate the quality of said team. An approach that long-term data supports. But what really puzzles me is that Seth criticizes this approach in analytic-types and commends it in coaches.
When analytic-types express something like this, Seth Davis criticizes the idea. But when Brad Stevens’ promotes the idea, he eats it up. Well, Seth doesn’t say that explicitly, but I’m not expecting a column from him critical about the above quote anytime soon. (My conclusion: The idea of chance events influencing the outcome of close games would be more readily accepted from stat-heads if one of us either (a) used a folksy expression like the hay being in the barn, or (b) applied for a coaching job, got it, and eventually became the 15th person in the history of the world to coach in consecutive title games. Any volunteers?)
This “tempo-free” tweak seems to be as much of a response as Davis will offer to the blog post. Wonder if this entire ordeal is going to make things awkward next time Davis runs into SI colleagues Andy Glockner and Luke Winn, who adhere to Ken Pom’s philosophies and almost certainly have his website bookmarked. [Ken Pom]

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January 25th, 2013 at 12:43 PM
Archer last night was good times.
/banders’d
January 25th, 2013 at 12:45 PM
The insecurity of media types is hilarious.
January 25th, 2013 at 12:45 PM
LOL. This question is offensive to Pomeroy. Did you choose a shitty picture of Pomeroy on purpose? Because that would be like you.
January 25th, 2013 at 12:46 PM
Cuz seth is a dukie thats why
January 25th, 2013 at 12:46 PM
Seth Davis is stupid, like all people who mock statistics.
January 25th, 2013 at 12:47 PM
I laughed. Seth Davis sucks
January 25th, 2013 at 12:48 PM
Either that or he’s pandering to the stupid people who do mock statistics, like certain bloggers.
January 25th, 2013 at 12:49 PM
The one with higher ratings?
January 25th, 2013 at 12:50 PM
Seth Davis’s ratings are slightly down but remain the most watched event in television history.
January 25th, 2013 at 12:50 PM
Disagree heavily.
January 25th, 2013 at 12:51 PM
He also offerred this tweet:
https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/294436945172516864
And this one:
https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/294436253443690497
January 25th, 2013 at 12:52 PM
Both these guys are wearing a look like they just got the thin envelope from Notre Dame.
/ Remus, oh, Remus, where art thou?
January 25th, 2013 at 12:52 PM
I’m out of the loop here. Does he actually mock statistics? Or question the validity of some metrics? And demand context to stats?
As for Ken Pom, is there evidence he actually knows basketball or does he just spew statistics? I would contest too many writers do the latter, without ever exhibiting a true knowledge/understanding of the game they cover
January 25th, 2013 at 12:54 PM
Hmmm, are we sure it wasn’t Barkus saying this?
January 25th, 2013 at 12:54 PM
Archer last night was good times.
Shit, I forgot it started again last night.
January 25th, 2013 at 12:55 PM
And of course by “Barkus” I meant “Bashuk.”
January 25th, 2013 at 12:55 PM
Krewe of Barkus = Mardi Gras on the brain
January 25th, 2013 at 12:55 PM
/Looks around
//yep
January 25th, 2013 at 12:55 PM
Archer last night was good times.
I laughed a bunch but it wasn’t my favorite
January 25th, 2013 at 12:56 PM
It started last week, MS
January 25th, 2013 at 12:57 PM
He has a website, go look at it
January 25th, 2013 at 12:57 PM
It started last week, MS
Well fuck. Not sure how I missed that. I blame recently switching to U Verse and the fact that I’m relearning all of our channels.
January 25th, 2013 at 12:58 PM
To the first question, not really. He kind of did mock them recently, which was weird since it’s my understanding he sometimes uses KenPom’s stuff to write columns.
and yes, Pomeroy knows the game.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:00 PM
Archer was kind of goofy last night, what with it being a 30-minute long gay panic joke, but there were some pretty good lines in it.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:00 PM
Team KenPom all the way.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:02 PM
Ken, it’s pretty simple.
Seth doesn’t “need” you or any “stat head”.
He NEEDS people like Brad Stevens to like him so that they’ll talk to him.
Don’t take it personally and keep up the good work.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:02 PM
Like Seth Davis in print, not so much on TV.
Like Ken Pomeroy’s stats, don’t care about his opinions at all. More numbers, nerd.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:03 PM
People really freaked out about that Archer opening last week. I guess it wouldve been funnier if I actually watched that Bob’s Burgers show?
January 25th, 2013 at 1:05 PM
Bob’s Burgers is great. Has the most empowered female character on television on it, too.
/eat a dick Poeheler
January 25th, 2013 at 1:06 PM
my best guess? too much pinterest.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:06 PM
Strike that, and reverse it.
Seriously, that March Madness studio of him, Matt Winer, and Jay Wright? Hubba Hubba.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:06 PM
I have never watched an episode of Bob’s Burgers, I just know that Archer is the voice of Bob. The joke of it was more the nod to A History of Violence. I loved it
January 25th, 2013 at 1:06 PM
Nah my second statement about how people will take shots at stats guys is more pandering to those whose head it hurts to quantify sports in anything other than terms of “clutch” “elite” and “scrappy.”
January 25th, 2013 at 1:09 PM
Oh ok, I havent seen that either.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:09 PM
Add in “eye test.” This also allows people to talk about sports in an expert fashion without the threat of being proven wrong.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:10 PM
i dunno…when he made the makeshift lacrosse stick, i lost my shit. “a lot of those skills carry over!”
January 25th, 2013 at 1:10 PM
my best guess? too much pinterest.
Nailed it.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:10 PM
also…still cant figure out the “humbledurger” reference. anyone?
January 25th, 2013 at 1:13 PM
Oh, you hate Poehler now?!
I will say that Aziz Ansari is horrible. Tried watching his stand up, and came away very unimpressed.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:13 PM
So wait, which one is Matt Damon in this one?
January 25th, 2013 at 1:14 PM
re-post, seem like a better spot:
took the under (140) on Mississippi/Tennessee last night
Final Score: Ole Miss 62 Tenn. 56
“Shutdown Stretches” = SCIENCE!
Mark Bashuk = Genius!
January 25th, 2013 at 1:15 PM
I didn’t think Archer was very good last night, but I did happen to watch Wed’s Modern Family, and the Godfather finish was worth it. I tried to explain it to my wife, who then got annoyed with me for pausing it and really didn’t care… but it was pretty good.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:16 PM
I agree with KenPom but that photo of him makes him completely unlikeable.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:17 PM
Van By Night was pretty funny.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:17 PM
I agree with KenPom but that photo of him makes him completely unlikeable.
T-mac probably giving him the roundup-girl treatment
January 25th, 2013 at 1:17 PM
yea, i thought it was ok…still funny. 1st ep was much better tho.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:19 PM
I’m not saying Archer is always amazing… but let’s not pick nits here, people.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:19 PM
Anyone still watch The Office? Been a loyal viewer for the entire run, and I’m not about to quit now. Anyways, Jim is usually a dickhead to his co-workers. But last night, he turned his douchey behavior toward Pam.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:19 PM
For the record… Ole Miss was one of the “bad” defensive teams, right?
January 25th, 2013 at 1:21 PM
The Office gave me too many laughs to quit. It took me 10 years to phase out from the Simpsons, so I’ll get through this Office season. But yeah, it’s a good twist to have Jim be a dick to Pam. Awkward though.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:22 PM
For the record… Ole Miss was one of the “bad” defensive teams, right?
yes, guess I should have specified
January 25th, 2013 at 1:24 PM
Racist
January 25th, 2013 at 1:25 PM
Every episode of Archer from here on out is not going to be amazing because people are expecting the most epic of all time and the old ones can never be toppped because it was new and fresh still.
The writing of last night’s show as hilarious. The double Entmoot reference, and the Predator line from Archer was as funny as anything the show has done.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:27 PM
DAMNIT…forgot about that. was on the floor.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:30 PM
Nah I like her and her character just think Louise is better, granted doesn’t have the storyline pitfall of ever having to fall for a man.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:32 PM
And as much as I love Kristen Schaal on Bob’s Burgers, her character on 30 Rock was stunningly bad.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:37 PM
I tried to explain it to my wife, who then got annoyed with me for pausing it and really didn’t care…
between this and her wanting to get off the phone with you asap, i say counseling makes a nice gift
January 25th, 2013 at 1:42 PM
also was the voice of the coach on Home Movies.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:45 PM
And Dr. Katz’s son on Dr. Katz.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:47 PM
I think a lot of it is over my head (never seen Predator, don’t remember the ref, have no idea wtf an entmoot is), so I don’t appreciate all of it. I do like the show though.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:49 PM
From googling an Entmoot is some sort of tree gathering, so basically an orchard.
January 25th, 2013 at 1:50 PM
/fuck counseling
January 25th, 2013 at 1:57 PM
/fuck counseling
agree i’d rather have angry sex
January 25th, 2013 at 1:57 PM
not with wwos
January 25th, 2013 at 1:58 PM
not with wwos tho
January 25th, 2013 at 2:04 PM
All I know about Seth Davis is that he went on the Twitter apology tour for calling MMA gay.
January 25th, 2013 at 2:08 PM
All I know about Seth Davis is that he went on the Twitter apology tour for calling MMA gay.
why would he apologize about that? lots of folks make fun of it for its homoeroticism