Chip Kelly’s Decision at Quarterback: Michael Vick, Nick Foles, or Find Someone Else
Chip Kelly has audibled to Philadelphia, showing that you cannot believe any reports or sources until the final word is official. The problem is not that reporters are making up things, it is that sources who have incentives to pass bad information to gain an advantage are everywhere. Chip Kelly is burning NFL bridges with his attitude, he is returning to Oregon, he can wait. All of these play a role in negotiating for one side or another or maybe a third, where multiple teams are in.
Now that we know Kelly is going to Philadelphia, the key question for him in personnel is what he does at the quarterback position. All options have different questions that must be answered. Let’s go down them.
Nick Foles: Pros are that he has at least some potential as a passer, that he has some experience playing in the NFL, and that he comes really cheaply for a few years. Thus, there is no risk from a monetary standpoint of going with Foles short term.
The questions, of course, are whether Foles can run an offense where the quarterback has to be at least a threat to run, even if it can be adapted to Foles and the percentages tweaked. Foles ran only 11 times last year in 6 starts, for 42 yards. Foles ran a 5.1 in the 40 yard dash at the Combine. Kelly has said (via Chris Brown at Grantland):
I look for a quarterback who can run and not a running back who can throw. I want a quarterback who can beat you with his arm. We are not a Tim Tebow type of quarterback team. I am not going to run my quarterback 20 times on power runs.
Foles is not going to be ripping off the 40+ yard touchdown runs that we have seen from Colin Kaepernick and Robert Griffin III when they keep the ball on the read option and hit the second level at full speed. Can he be football intelligent enough to make the right call on the keeper enough, and pick up eight yards and slide enough, to make it a legitimate option in an offense? Expect him to get some work in the spring to find out.
Michael Vick: It really is too bad in some ways that Vick’s career began in 2001, rather than 2011. Coaching orthodoxy had his coach trying to fit Vick into the West Coast offense a decade ago. He might have been perfect for this offense. Even at 33 by next season, Vick is fast enough, and has the arm strength to make the downfield throws that will open up when teams have to drop an extra defender.
There are two issues with Vick, one obvious and one that people may just assume but is no given. The first is the contract. He would be owed over $15 million if he comes back without re-negotiating, and only $3 million if he is cut. In a vacuum, Vick is not worth $15 million. As a short term gap filler, he may be worth the “loss” to Philadelphia for a year to bridge to a better solution. If you could not believe anything that came out over the last month in the Kelly coaching saga, you certainly shouldn’t believe anything on Vick until it is final. The Eagles will have incentive to leak things about cutting him, and the parties will negotiate through the media.
Kelly may decide on a different alternative; I’m not sure there will be a better opportunity for Michael Vick than in Philadelphia now, for less money. Of course, the other X-factor that we don’t know is that Vick can actually operate in the offense. He’s got the arm strength to make big throws against favorable coverages, he’s got the speed and running ability, but can he actually run read option out of the shotgun well enough. Vick has always taken big shots. Vick has never run this offense. An underrated and important aspect is the quarterback’s ability to read the play properly. It’s why Griffin III and Kaepernick are having so much success, in addition to their passing ability. They make the right call on when to keep it or give it up way more often than not. Will Vick?
Other: There is not really a great solution for this offense in this year’s draft, at least early and with a pick that would signify a long term commitment at the position. You will hear Geno Smith. I’m not sure that Smith is really the runner to justify that. For comparison, here are some college career numbers: Kaepernick (4,112 rushing yards), Robert Griffin III (2,254 rushing yards), Russell Wilson (1,421 rushing yards), Andrew Luck (957 rushing yards), and Geno Smith (342 rushing yards). Will the Eagles have him rated highly enough to invest long term with the 4th pick? I’m not so sure.
Conversely, those running quarterbacks available don’t look like good enough passers to make me think Kelly would rather go with them over, say, a passer with more limited running like Foles. Collin Klein or Tim Tebow? Don’t see it. Could he bring one of his old Oregon quarterbacks in as a temporary competition for the job? I’m not sure about that, either. He might have someone lingering on a bench somewhere in mind (Terrelle Pryor in Oakland, for example), but my guess is that he could choose to punt short term (something he would otherwise never like to do), go stop gap, and see where Marcus Mariota is in a year.
My guess: Michael Vick could be fantastic in this offense. That may not be popular in Philadelphia, were he was a turnover machine before getting hurt. He could experience a revitalization in this offense, if he reads the ends and the defense correctly, and is freed to just let it go and not worry about staying in the pocket. He could be great throwing against defenses trying to stop LeSean McCoy and Bryce Brown. I bet they want to find out. You will see lots of posturing, and he will have to take a pay cut, and we may not know for a while. I think he’s the best gamble short term, with Kelly looking for the long term solution a year later.
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January 16th, 2013 at 2:35 PM
Trade a 2nd round pick to Oakland for Pryor. Then draft Joeckel at 4.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:37 PM
Psst… TEBOW!
January 16th, 2013 at 2:37 PM
Is there a Bears post?
/Fuck the Eagles
January 16th, 2013 at 2:38 PM
If Vick doesn’t get cut in the window the Eagles have to rid them of his contract, is he guaranteed the rest of it?
Also: Pryor.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:39 PM
Vince Young
January 16th, 2013 at 2:40 PM
Vince Young is cheap. In an offense like this you need backups that are mobile.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:40 PM
I don’t think a QB needs to be hyper-mobile ala Vick, RGIII for Kelly. I think he’ll manage to the talent and slowly add people for his grand plan.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:41 PM
Colt McCoy
January 16th, 2013 at 2:42 PM
Why hasn’t anyone mentioned Magic?
January 16th, 2013 at 2:42 PM
Making both parties assholes.
/Chip Kelly’d
Vick will likely continue to do Vick things in this offense. Move the ball a ton, struggle in the red zone, turn the ball over, and get hurt
January 16th, 2013 at 2:43 PM
Except when he’s murdered in week 4 by some LB.
Vick and RG III (as of now) don’t know how to minimize taking big hits. They are huge injury risks in read option unless they learn. In Vick’s case it’s probably too late. Russell Wilsona and Kaepernick don’t take nearly the volume nor as hard hits as RGIII and Vick take.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:44 PM
I agree with Lisk
January 16th, 2013 at 2:45 PM
He can’t throw for shit, though
January 16th, 2013 at 2:46 PM
Psst… TEBOW!
That would be pretty humorous to watch.
/assumes you aren’t being serious
January 16th, 2013 at 2:46 PM
He can’t throw for shit, though
He leads the league in hot, sweaty, shirtless club pictures though.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:47 PM
Dennis Dixon* come on down!!!
*Not sure if Dixon actually played for Kelly.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:47 PM
are you serious about Pryor the game i saw he was fucking terrible…
January 16th, 2013 at 2:48 PM
I always thought Dennis Dixon didn’t get enough play in the nfl. He’s on Baltimores practice squad so he could be had for the league minimum. I would take him as no worse than a backup in that system.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:48 PM
Taylor Martinez?
January 16th, 2013 at 2:48 PM
Pryor is intriguing though
January 16th, 2013 at 2:48 PM
7 Americans taken hostage in terrorist incident
January 16th, 2013 at 2:48 PM
True. Tavares Jackson may be a better option
/seriously
January 16th, 2013 at 2:49 PM
America’s innocence is officially deflowered.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:49 PM
only Bucknuts are serious.
I think they keep Vick if they can get him to agree to play for a greatly reduced amount. Where the hell else is he gonna go? Arizona? Jacksonville?
January 16th, 2013 at 2:49 PM
As a wide receiver or small forward
January 16th, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Will Kelly throw Vick to the dogs?
January 16th, 2013 at 2:49 PM
From the article, a quote from Kelly:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:50 PM
You will hear Geno Smith.
I have heard Geno Smith. I also saw Geno Smith play in Big 12 conference games. I would not want that guy leading my NFL franchise.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:50 PM
7 Americans and 34 people western media cares less about taken hostage in terrorist incident
And God help us if one of those Americans is white, female and below the age of 30.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:50 PM
How many QBs like Dixon and Pryor and Young have a six-foot boners because this read-option thing will have shitty franchises looking for guys with their “skill” sets?
January 16th, 2013 at 2:51 PM
Agreed but he’s better than Nick Foles no matter how little melanin Foles has. Young looked like the best QB on the Bills (giggles) roster in that preseason game against the Redskins (5/10 50 yards passing, 5 carries 37 yards). I suppose they just cut him though. Tyrod Taylor?
January 16th, 2013 at 2:51 PM
There’s a giant wet spot on Nancy Grace’s chair right now.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:51 PM
America’s innocence is officially deflowered.
It will just grow back again. And right in time for it to be violated for the eleventeenth time.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:52 PM
Hopefully they’re all children so I can exploit them.
/Barry’d
January 16th, 2013 at 2:52 PM
i still have some serious doubts that kelly’s offense can even work on a sustainable level in the nfl.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:53 PM
He’s interesting. Being a Ravens fan who watches preseason/meaningless ganes, I’ve seen him play a fair amount. He’s got some decision making issues and an average arm, but can move around really well. I think the Ravens would part with him if some franchise dangles a few decent picks in front of Ozzie’s face.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:53 PM
Alex Smith > Geno Smith > Akili Smith
January 16th, 2013 at 2:53 PM
You say this seriously yet Foles was the MVP of the preseason
January 16th, 2013 at 2:53 PM
It’s official: I am faster than some NFL players!
My advice to Kelly: hunt down and bring in Nate Davis, the proto-Kaepernick. If you can deal with his inability to read and process information.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:53 PM
He is most certainly not better than Foles, but I assume you mean for Kelly’s offense
January 16th, 2013 at 2:53 PM
Scott Mitchell would’ve been great in this offense.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:54 PM
Hopefully they’re all children so I can exploit them.
/Barry’d
Vlad, I’d like to bring to your attention that MikeNYC has apparently stolen your log-in information.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:54 PM
Foles has trade value. He won’t be cut
January 16th, 2013 at 2:54 PM
I saw The Rock. In a hostage situation, The President will just incinerate the entire area. Fuck those terrorists.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:55 PM
In 2024, by newly elected President Tebow.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:56 PM
He shouldn’t have left it lying out in the open at Starbucks where any barista can see it.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:56 PM
So is there any word on the future sanctions against Oregon? I thought Duffy would be all over this.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:56 PM
In 2024, by newly elected President Tebow.
He’ll run on a platform of miniature American flags and circumcisions for all.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:57 PM
Vlad logged in while at an Apple store. Forgot to logout
January 16th, 2013 at 2:58 PM
Not until Knight dies probably
/Paterno’d
January 16th, 2013 at 2:58 PM
Andy Reid actually utilized the running game for Foles, yet still…….
January 16th, 2013 at 2:58 PM
Looking at Madden 2013 Rankings for the fastest quarterbacks in order:
Robert Griffin III
Michael Vick
Terrelle Pryor
Josh Johnson
Tyrod Taylor
Joe Webb
Cam Newton
Vince Young
Colin Kaepernick
Seneca Wallace
Josh Portis
Dominique Davis
Tarvaris Jackson
Jake Locker
Ryan Tannehill
Troy Smith
Russell Wilson
Andrew Luck
Tim Tebow
January 16th, 2013 at 2:58 PM
My wife showed me some nutter video making the rounds yesterday claiming the Newton shootings were faked. I could only stomach it for about a minute. Lowlight of that minute? Nutter claiming a dead girl was still alive because of the way she chewed on her hand.
/still less of an asshole than Chip Kelly
//I keed, a lot
January 16th, 2013 at 2:59 PM
Draft Denard in the 6th round, boom. Most exciting something something ever.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:59 PM
Made more sharia’d.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:01 PM
Saw an article on Yahoo news about some poor guy who helped some of the kids in the aftermath, now he’s being harassed and threatened by some of those conspiracy nuts.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:01 PM
January 16th, 2013 at 3:01 PM
Alex Smith > Smith Brothers Cough Drops >>>>> Geno Smith > Akili Smith
January 16th, 2013 at 3:01 PM
Yeah for Chip’s offense, read option only works it people are worried about both options.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:02 PM
Brees not on list, obvious East Coast media bias’d.
/ Proxy’d for Breesus
January 16th, 2013 at 3:03 PM
“What we need to do is put together a package deal of Vick and a WR, say Maclin, to Seattle for Russell Wilson.”
-@FakeWIPCaller
January 16th, 2013 at 3:03 PM
Saw an article on Yahoo news about some poor guy who helped some of the kids in the aftermath, now he’s being harassed and threatened by some of those conspiracy nuts.
Well that has to be about the most disgusting thing I’ve ready today.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:04 PM
This seems to cover, well, literally every possible option. Should I read between the lines here?
Seriously though, Tyrod Taylor would be a really interesting experiment.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:04 PM
“What we need to do is put together a package deal of Vick and a WR, say Maclin, to Seattle for Russell Wilson.”
-@FakeWIPCaller
If there was an NFL Trade Machine on ESPN, I think the result of inputting this trade would be a picture of Chris Berman giving you the finger while wearing a man thong.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:04 PM
Is there a Bears post?
Yes. I actually had a long Trestman post done, then the Kelly news broke. Going up within the hour.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:05 PM
Eagles better upgrade the offensive line this offseason. Not finding a legit qb this year, so that’s really the only way to make the offense functional in the immediate
January 16th, 2013 at 3:06 PM
Matt Scott to the Eagles makes a ton of sense, pending his medical condition
January 16th, 2013 at 3:07 PM
Watched a Dominique Davis highlight tape. First play was a hook for a 3 yard gain, second play was an incompletion.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:09 PM
Ah, Boston College QBs — the gift that keeps on giving … to the other team.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:10 PM
As others have noted, I think Tyrod Taylor is a far more attractive option than Pryor. And is Josh Johnson worth a look?
January 16th, 2013 at 3:10 PM
What up with MeSean Jackson? He a free agent or sign a deal?
January 16th, 2013 at 3:11 PM
3/14/2012: Signed a five-year, $47 million contract. The deal contains $15 million guaranteed — a $10 million signing bonus, Jackson’s first-year base salary, $4 million of his second-year salary, and $750,000 of his third-year salary. Another $4 million is available through incentives. Jackson is eligible for annual $200,000 workout bonuses throughout the contract’s life. 2013: $6.75 million, 2014: $10.25 million, 2015-2016: $9.75 million, 2017: Free Agent
January 16th, 2013 at 3:11 PM
I don’t think Alex Smith would be a bad move either. He can run
January 16th, 2013 at 3:11 PM
In 2024, by newly elected President Tebow.
florida seceding?
January 16th, 2013 at 3:12 PM
Kelly adapts the offense to the talent he has. Oregon made it to a National Championship game with a QB that wasn’t a dynamic runner (Thomas) but managed the offense well. To me, it’s all about the Eagles running backs. Who knows, if he gets an accurate QB the Eagles offense could look more like the Pats than what he ran at Oregon.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:13 PM
Just found out Chip is 49 and has never married. That weirds me out.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:14 PM
Just found out Chip is 49 and has never married. That weirds me out.
Maybe he’s not allowed to get married by state laws.
/conservative conspiracy’d
January 16th, 2013 at 3:14 PM
This just in:
Nate Davis currently playing QB for the Amarillo Venom of the Lone Star Football League.
The Venom is an excellent football name and an apt description of Amarillo as well.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:14 PM
If Kelly is bringing his OU sensibilities, then it would have to be Vick as the stopgap until they find his permanent replacement. It shouldn’t be Foles (who can’t run) and it won’t be Smith (who is raw).
January 16th, 2013 at 3:14 PM
It’d be interesting to see if he could install such a sophisticated passing game. I’d bet against it
January 16th, 2013 at 3:15 PM
Just found out Chip is 49 and has never married. That weirds me out.
I think I had seen somewhere that he was the only college head coach who was either not married nor had ever been.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:15 PM
Smart man.
/looks over shoulder to make sure wife is not around.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:15 PM
Dedicated to the job, women weaken legs decided schematic advantages
January 16th, 2013 at 3:15 PM
So he may be humorless, but he is happy.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:15 PM
Aaaaand I forgot how to do the strikethrough
January 16th, 2013 at 3:16 PM
So he’s the James Buchanan of college football?
January 16th, 2013 at 3:16 PM
I rescind my weirdness feeling if he is in fact a gay man
January 16th, 2013 at 3:17 PM
So he’s the James Buchanan of college football?
It’s funny that everyone liked to think for awhile that Lincoln was gay simply because he shared a bed with a fellow lawyer on the circuit when he was younger, but people really need only to look to his immediate predecessor: our only bachelor president.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:18 PM
/ Rewatches clip of Smith’s 33-yard TD run against Saints, drinks, cries, drinks more
// Remembers — no longer a Saints fan
/// Drinks, laughs
January 16th, 2013 at 3:19 PM
Code word, yo.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:19 PM
Alex Smith to Eagles >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex Smith to Jets
January 16th, 2013 at 3:20 PM
January 16th, 2013 at 3:20 PM
All word around Oregon is that Chip likes the ladies very much…just not the settling down type.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:20 PM
Obama, limo, cocaine
/takes cover
January 16th, 2013 at 3:21 PM
He was such a dandy
January 16th, 2013 at 3:21 PM
Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau is 54 and has never been married as well. It’s too bad Chip didn’t get the Bears job.
/NTTAWT’d
January 16th, 2013 at 3:22 PM
I don’t see this ever happening again.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:23 PM
Stuck to Knight’s harem for convenience sake?
Chip is short for Charles apparently. Why go with Chip? Charles is regal
January 16th, 2013 at 3:23 PM
Bret Bielema was much the same before finally getting hitched last year…can’t blame the guy, he was in his mid/late 30s with the best job in the city and the coeds didn’t care if they had to wake up next to this
January 16th, 2013 at 3:23 PM
I thought it was well-known that The Change is a spliffer.
/ According to esteemed researchers Key & Peele
January 16th, 2013 at 3:23 PM
Well, Bill Clinton. That kind of counts
January 16th, 2013 at 3:24 PM
So … Bruce Pearl to Oregon?
January 16th, 2013 at 3:24 PM
Screaming out instructions during sex is not gonna land you the marrying kind of lady
January 16th, 2013 at 3:25 PM
Me neither. I wonder what percentage of the vote a gay presidential candidate would get. Let’s say Obama was white and gay instead of black, and everything else about him was the same. 30%? 40%
January 16th, 2013 at 3:25 PM
OK, if you say so.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:26 PM
Wouldn’t escape the primary. Unless we are counting Hillary, then she’s the closest recent candidate
January 16th, 2013 at 3:26 PM
95% in the greater Los Angeles/San Francisco areas, .01% elsewhere
January 16th, 2013 at 3:27 PM
It’s documented that he only practices defense
January 16th, 2013 at 3:27 PM
I’m inclined to say less. Sad, but true.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:28 PM
So he was both the first black president and the first gay president?
January 16th, 2013 at 3:28 PM
Absolutely none in Alabama
January 16th, 2013 at 3:29 PM
I dunno. A lot of liberal types would possibly vote for him (subconsciously?) BECAUSE he was gay. I’m sure he’d get 95+% of the gay vote too.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:30 PM
Intriguing name. Not as a starter but I like him better than Young. I assume given the money though that Seattle wants to unload Flynn instead of him.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:30 PM
10 years ago I don’t think anyone pictured the U.S. electing a black man–let along a black man with a thoroughly foreign sounding name–to the White House. And yet here we are. I have the sense that attitudes towards homosexuality are evolving at a greater pace in this country and that we have a president who is openly homosexual within the next 20 years or so.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:31 PM
six first rounders for colt mccoy. do it.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:31 PM
Black men > Women > Gays
(historically in US for voting rights, President…)
January 16th, 2013 at 3:32 PM
Black men > Women > Gays
(historically in US for voting rights, President…)
True story.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:32 PM
I’m no expert but these seem to be in the wrong order.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:32 PM
Oprah for President!
Hits all three demos
January 16th, 2013 at 3:34 PM
Y’all were pegging the wrong Chip(per)…
/pun intended
January 16th, 2013 at 3:36 PM
We just got the first openly gay U.S. senator this year.
/ Not counting Larry Craig and Lindsay Graham
January 16th, 2013 at 3:38 PM
We just got the first openly gay U.S. senator this year.
And the first openly bisexual member of Congress. I love it when CSPAN prefaces those identifiers with the word “openly”. It’s an amusing wink and a nudge like “You know what we mean”.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:42 PM
I’d run the read option offense with Vick. They can run him until he gets hurt like RG3. He did worse with dogs.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:51 PM
Infallible logic if you’re an 8 year old
January 16th, 2013 at 4:45 PM
Vick ran the read-option when he was in Atlanta with Warrick Dunn to great success.
“And Vick has improved his ball-handling — especially a belly-type series in which he sticks the ball into Dunn’s gut and hesitates with it there, as if he is maybe reading the flow of the defensive end in an option-based attack — to the point where defenses are frozen.
By unofficial count, the Falcons aligned in the shotgun 13 times on first-and-10 and rushed for 96 yards on 10 carries in those situations. Suddenly, you don’t hear many complaints anymore about Atlanta’s staff trying to pigeonhole Vick into a West Coast-style offense for which his unique skills-set isn’t well suited. Vick has been efficient, managed the first two games well, and seems to be enjoying himself as he cavorts through overmatched defenses.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2591874