Peyton Manning Had One Bad Throw That Will Define the Loss to Baltimore, But Bad Pass Defense is Why He Has a Losing Playoff Record
Same old Peyton Manning in the playoffs. He had his typical playoff game, and in typical fashion, his team lost a gut punch game in its opening playoff game as a favorite. Now, he is a choker, a fraud, and a bum.
You see, Manning did have a typical game in the playoffs. For other quarterbacks, that typical game would be good enough to win more often than not in the postseason. For Manning, for whatever reason, it means almost certain doom.
Manning threw a bad interception near the end of the first overtime, with Denver moving near midfield. It was the kind of interception, despite his cursory playoff reputation by those that just cite QB records, that has rarely happened. That one and the Tracy Porter interception stand out in your mind, probably because you can’t remember other key late interceptions in all those close losses. Blame him for that throw and the role it played once they got to overtime.
It’s revisionist history, though, to say that John Fox was justified due to Manning’s subpar play in going conservative at the end of each half with timeouts in his pocket, and on a 3rd and 7 with a chance to win it outright with the ball in Manning’s hand. Prior to that throw, Peyton Manning was having a pretty good playoff game, the type of game that would be good enough to win most of the time. Good enough, except for what his counterpart was doing throwing deep balls at will. Joe Flacco is in the midst of one of the great playoff passing stretches in NFL history. In fact, probably since Peyton Manning against Denver and Kansas City in January of 2004. That stretch brought Champ Bailey to Denver via trade in an effort to compete with Peyton Manning; yesterday may have closed that chapter.
We can look back at the playoffs since 2000, and see the play by play breakdown and assign responsibility for facets of the game and how they affected the outcome. For example, Saturday’s Baltimore-Denver game shows that the Denver pass offense was worth +6.6 points in the outcome, even with the tipped interception touchdown (that could have been called pass interference, and is not on Manning), and the overtime interception. Baltimore’s pass offense, meanwhile, was worth +15.6 points, which means that the converse, the Denver pass defense, was -15.6 points. The clearest reason for Baltimore winning and Denver losing is the passing game when Manning was on the sideline, however you want to assign responsibility or blame. The Rahim Moore misplay ranks right there with Haruki Nakamura misplaying the deep throw by Matt Ryan to Roddy White earlier this year as some of the worst safety play possible.
While that was a horrible game by the pass defense, it is not that atypical for Manning’s playoff career. Let’s compare him to Tom Brady, and here is a breakdown of various aspects and points added/lost by each phase since 2000 in playoff games (sorry, the loss to Tennessee in his first playoff game not included).
What does that show? Brady and the passing offense has been the primary driver of the Patriots’ playoff success, but the other phases have not hurt him in aggregate. Manning’s teams, on the other hand, have been worse in every phase, except for rushing defense, most notably in passing defense in the postseason. When both Manning and Brady are over 10.0 points added with passing offense, they are undefeated in the playoffs. (5-0 for Manning, 6-0 for Brady including yesterday). It’s what happens when they are not outstanding that has been the difference.
When the passing offense is merely above average (between 5 and 10 points), Manning is 1-5 in the postseason, with the one win coincidentally enough being the huge comeback against New England in the AFC Championship game that, temporarily, reversed the narratives. Brady is 3-1 when putting up similar performances, the one loss being last year’s Super Bowl.
Peyton Manning’s performance on Saturday, by this measure, was exactly in the middle of his past playoff performances–10th best in the postseason. Being exactly in the middle, thusly, means a loss. The special teams provided a boost, but it was more than offset by the defense. Manning should be judged for the specific plays he does and does not make, but when it comes to citing quarterback wins and losses in the postseason, realize that it is tied to many other things. Don’t let kicks, and misses, and shoe string tackles, and safeties blowing coverage define it.
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January 14th, 2013 at 1:21 PM
Solid analysis, Lisk.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:21 PM
for a while, i thought dungy was holding manning back. after saturday, i realized it was manning holding manning back.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:25 PM
Noodle arm.
But at times, Fox makes Bum Phillips looks like Don Coryell.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:25 PM
Q: Who are Chad Pennington, David Garrard, Phil Rivers, Byron Leftwich, Joe Flacco, Tim Tebow, Matt Schaub?
A: The quarterbacks Tom Brady has been victorious over since the last SB Victory.
/trolling.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:25 PM
Speaking of revisionist history, didnt Manning say after the game that he’s the one who audibled into a run on that 3rd and 7? Cant find it now but I think I saw it on Twitter.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:26 PM
Well said Lisk. Where does Denver go with their 1st round pick?
January 14th, 2013 at 1:26 PM
/pulls up chair
//pops open peanut butter M&Ms
January 14th, 2013 at 1:26 PM
Huh. This is interesting. I still think he’s just as responsible for the loss as the defense (even if you take away the pick-six, he still cost Denver 10 points), but the chart at least sheds some light on the Brady comparison. Manning played well enough, but he’s not absolved from blame.
Also, lets give from credit to the Ravens for going in there and winning a shootout.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:27 PM
Decker and Thomas had their fair share of drops as well. They could just another WR.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:27 PM
Yeah he told Peter King he audibled into it. I still think that was the right call.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:27 PM
I do.
Kneeling at the end of the game was loser football. You’re at altitude. You’ve got one of the best QBs ever, 2 timeouts and 31 seconds to gain about 35-40 yards for at least an attempt. Instead, Fox’s decision was left up to a coin. Bad call.
Assign blame to the corner that could not have played that 60 yard TD pass any worse than he did.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:28 PM
It was zero degrees. The Ravens had five drops in the game, too. I tend to give both WR corps a little slack on a day like that.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:28 PM
INT was so bad you’d think Baltimore got hit by a hurricane and Peyton threw the game. What with the healing power of sports.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:28 PM
I made it this far. I agree with your logical reasoning and conclusion, and don’t feel the need to read any further.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:29 PM
Also, are you saying the pick 6 wasn’t a bad throw? He tried to force it in between a bunch of defenders, IIRC.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:30 PM
Tom Brady: 23 games, 41 td 20 int
Peyton Manning: 18 games, 30 td 19 int
January 14th, 2013 at 1:31 PM
It also means that, at his age, it’s probably going not going to get much better than that going forward. Sucks for Peyton Manning (and those that like him).
He’s fortunate to have 2006-07 because I could not imagine the pressure on him if he didn’t. Would be unbearable.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:31 PM
Can I make a “Tee Martin to Denver” joke or have I used that one too much already?
January 14th, 2013 at 1:31 PM
One thing that I think is important to point out is that he had some really bad games in the beginning and some really great games in early rounds (KC, DEN).
January 14th, 2013 at 1:31 PM
I do miss the days when Peyton was confident enough that he told Grungy and Caldwell what the offense was doing, including fourth down calls.
Feels like Old Peyton never would have been kneeling, but maybe I’m wrong.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:31 PM
True. Although Baltimore’s incompetent staff didn’t seem to recognize the value of scoring a TD there and/or forgot their wideouts had torched Denver’s D all day, so they called “run into the line, run into the line, make Flacco convert third and long” without playaction for 15 minutes.
For all the shit Fox is getting, Harbaugh/Caldwell would be getting burned alive had they lost.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:32 PM
He’d be sitting in Denver franctically trying to find the next Terrell Davis.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:32 PM
INT was so bad you’d think Baltimore got hit by a hurricane and Peyton threw the game. What with the healing power of sports.
Yeah, this NEVER gets old…
January 14th, 2013 at 1:32 PM
The ironic thing about 2006 is that Peyton kinda played like shit in the playoffs (7 INTs, 3 TDs) and still finally got the ring.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:33 PM
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January 14th, 2013 at 1:33 PM
Also, lets give from credit to the Ravens for going in there and winning a shootout.
Absolutely. This is just another exhibit in the “momentum doesn’t matter” notch. If Flacco and the passing offense played like this after week 6, they wouldn’t have finished 10-6. I think the question is which offense do we get next week. The recent one is Super Bowl caliber, large stretches of season, not so much.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:34 PM
Caldwell heard that teams with 30+ rushing attempts always win, so wanted to get them out of the way as early as possible, to guarantee victory.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:35 PM
Fuckin Reche Caldwell.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:35 PM
Just like one in five teenagers in New Orleans.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:35 PM
I see it more as an exhibit in “getting key personnel back” and “making a major coaching change”
January 14th, 2013 at 1:36 PM
SHUT IT DOWN!
January 14th, 2013 at 1:36 PM
Dang straight.
Which is exactly why I hate it whenever it’s mentioned. Worthless fake “distinction”.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:36 PM
Indeed, though they may not find the Patriots back four as easily exploited simply by running by them, especially with Billy having watched that debacle unfold.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:36 PM
Are people REALLY saying this? Seriously? If that safety does his job and stays near the sideline, the game doesn’t go to overtime. End of story.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:36 PM
Eager to see how the Patriots are planning to defend the lob balls down the sideline this time around. It’s basically how the Ravens marched down on them during the game early in the season.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:37 PM
One blown coverage away from having the top seeds advance…hopefully 3/4 winning puts a halt to the stupid “Having a bye hurts teams!” line of thinking
January 14th, 2013 at 1:37 PM
No mention of the idiot, liquored-up kicker?
January 14th, 2013 at 1:37 PM
@Queefer: FWIW I went back and calculated Flacco’s points added for all of his playoff games, just to get a reference point for these numbers (wanted to do Bradshaw, out of curiosity, but I guess the numbers only go back to 2000)
By my possibly flawed quick calculation, the pass offense in Flacco’s 11 playoff games averages a +1.05
January 14th, 2013 at 1:37 PM
great job, Lisk.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:38 PM
I said this before the Colts game: the line they have in there now makes a huge difference. McKinnie at LT, Yanda healthy, and Oher at right is a nasty combo. Caldwell mostly seems to be out of Cameron mode, opening up the offense, running crosses and slants, and taking advantage of mismatches.
Other than Webb, the defense is also as healthy as its been all season. I expect Flacco to play well again Sunday. Whether it will be enough to win is a different story.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:38 PM
But how awesome was that Denver defense?
January 14th, 2013 at 1:40 PM
Is this really a thing, though? Who says this? Personally, I think a first round bye in the NFL playoffs is the biggest advantage in pro sports.
I think we’re going to see a lot of Rice
January 14th, 2013 at 1:41 PM
Can you explain what that means? I’m not a huge advanced stats guy.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:41 PM
Can we all agree that Dan Dierdorf needs to develop an incurable disease of the larynx?
January 14th, 2013 at 1:41 PM
Which is exactly what the post says.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:42 PM
GLOVES
January 14th, 2013 at 1:42 PM
#NOLA #REDEMPTION #WHODAT #GUMBO #KATRINA #NOLA #WHODAT #WHODAT #WHODAT #REDEMPTION
January 14th, 2013 at 1:42 PM
I think the Ravens defense was most responsible for Manning and the rest of the Broncos losing. We’re 2 great Denver special teams plays away from this being a not so close game.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:42 PM
Also, Lisk, how exactly does this stat work? I’m guessing that maybe a first and ten at your own twenty has some expected point value E[X]? And maybe a 20 yard pass increases it by 1.2 points or something? Is it calculated on a play by play basis similar to that?
January 14th, 2013 at 1:43 PM
I don’t get why he gets so much grief. Aikman and Simms are so much worse.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:43 PM
Just sick enough that it made me laugh.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:43 PM
I’m guessing you mean through the air, because the run D is pretty stout, but Foster broke through on those screens.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:43 PM
Can we please never talk about this game again?
January 14th, 2013 at 1:43 PM
I don’t exactly know…I just calculated it using pro football references individual game stats. I don’t know how they came up with those numbers. Hoping Lisk can shed a little light on that.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:44 PM
I really don’t have a problem with any of the NFL analysts. Maybe there are some shitty obscure guys, but the top three or four guys for either network are fine by me. I’m more bothered by a lot of play by play guys
January 14th, 2013 at 1:45 PM
Moleman… I thought you’d be rolling in +1s by now, let me give you a few extra to make up for it.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:45 PM
During the kitchen section of Jeremy Lin’s new “Cribs” episode.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:45 PM
i fucking HATE phil SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMS.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:45 PM
Also not being discussed. I do tend to think the game would have still been close – Manning kinda did what he wanted through the air for large stretches of the game — but yeah, Denver’s offense “only” scored 21 points. And if you factor in the -7 from the pick six, the net is 14.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:45 PM
I’m not at all confident it happens, but the thought of Atlanta winning a Super Bowl in the Saints’ home building makes me warm and fuzzy inside. That and erect.
/Fuck the saints
January 14th, 2013 at 1:45 PM
Sure they do. What do you remember from the 2010 NFC Championship game? Besides 12-men on the field
January 14th, 2013 at 1:46 PM
I am thankful I was doing a bar crawl during the games so I didn’t have to listen to Dierdorf, who is a poor mans Paul Maguire.
/YOU SEE THAT HIT, THAT HIT RIGHT THERE? REMINDS ME OF WHEN I WAS A PUNTER.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:46 PM
I think they’re going to try and establish Rice and Pierce to control the clock and avoid a shootout. At least at first. The Ravens have a lot of faith in their line to make some holes.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:47 PM
The horrendous pass interference call on Greenway in overtime.
/stews
January 14th, 2013 at 1:47 PM
I don’t exactly know…I just calculated it using pro football references individual game stats. I don’t know how they came up with those numbers. Hoping Lisk can shed a little light on that.
sorry, based on same principles used by Advanced NFL Stats. Each play assigned a value based on how much result changed “expected points added/subtracted”. Huge interception will have a large negative for offense, positive for defense. Third down conversion will have a positive impact and be assigned to passing or rushing. Special teams returns, field goals, punts etc assigned to special teams. A 2 yard gain on first down probably does little to change expected points.
At end of game, the results should be within a field goal of the actual score difference, subject to things like coaching decisions and other factors.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:47 PM
Did you say “since Spygate”?
//I see your trolling, and raise you 5x trolling
January 14th, 2013 at 1:47 PM
Umm…that’s like saying, “we’re two TDs from Flacco not happening from us talking about Petyon and Brady together at last.” Those TDs count just the same. And getting dominated in Special Teams reflects on one team being stronger in one of the three areas of football. I’ve never understood diminishing the importance of special teams.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:48 PM
I couldnt stop laughing when Simms suggested the Texans kicking a quick field goal and onside kicking down 13, quickly followed by Nantz saying “dont think that’ll do them much good.” I dont hate them like some people, but Simms, Dierdorf, and Billick were having a lot of trouble with basic math & game situations this weekend.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:48 PM
I have no idea how to feel about next week’s game. I liked the Pats a lot yesterday, and after Belichick was smiling on Friday, I wanted to look up what payout I could get on a -17 line. I could BAL being a game that the Ravens win, and the whole game you can’t figure out how they aren’t getting killed.
I’m starting to worry about the lack of versatility in the passing game. Brady made a bunch of really really great throws yesterday, to get guys open. If he’s under pressure (I don’t think it should be too bad) or has an off day, they’ll have trouble moving the ball. Maybe Vereen can be somewhat of a downfield threat, exploiting LBs in coverage just enough to draw a safety away from Lloyd.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:49 PM
Flacco missed Smith on a couple of more long passes where Champ Bailey was jogging down the field in his cement boots. They could have scored 5 TDs.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:49 PM
Baltimore had the #1 special teams in the league over the course of the season…nothing aside from fumble luck is as random and non-predictive game-to-game as special teams play
January 14th, 2013 at 1:49 PM
I’m really worried about Chandler Jones
January 14th, 2013 at 1:49 PM
What is a good site for streaming movies illegally?
January 14th, 2013 at 1:49 PM
PS: What the Texans have to do here is kick the field goal, then onside kick it and go for the touchdown.
GG: It’s a 13 point game, phil.
PS: Oh, nevermind.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:49 PM
Sure they count the same. But they’re a lot more fluky. Baltimore had the best special teams in the NFL coming into this game. Passing TDs are a far more frequent occurance than return TDs.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:50 PM
I’ve grown to not care about broadcast teams for the most part. They all fuck up from time to time, or the editorialize (Thom Benneman talking Tebow) when they shouldn’t. But for the most part I rarely leave a game saying, “damn, that would have been so much better had some other guy called the game.”
January 14th, 2013 at 1:50 PM
His “logic” yesterday… oy.
10 minutes to play, Houston scores to decrease deficit to 38-19. Phil says to kick the extra point because going for two doesn’t make sense here. Houston scores AGAIN just 4-5 minutes later and all of a sudden going for two makes sense. WHAT CHANGED IN THOSE FIVE MINUTES, PHIL?
Then, with 3 minutes to play and Houston down by 13, he says it’s “four down territory.” Pretty sure Brian Billick made a similar comment with like 45 seconds left and Seattle down by 7. Holy shit this is how an actual football coach once viewed time management!
January 14th, 2013 at 1:50 PM
Soused, can you take this one?
January 14th, 2013 at 1:50 PM
If only Rice can fumble early and get benched.
/crosses fingers
January 14th, 2013 at 1:51 PM
No shit.
/Peyton Manning
//based on the stats above (not Saturday’s game)
January 14th, 2013 at 1:51 PM
overexpansion killing hockey
January 14th, 2013 at 1:51 PM
Looking forward to the day when Dierdork is calling UFL games on HDNet.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:52 PM
link?
January 14th, 2013 at 1:52 PM
Are they any more fluky than an under-thrown ball against cover 3 (or whatever DEN was playing) not being tipped/batted down/intercepted? Or a questionable call not being flagged which led to a pick 6?
January 14th, 2013 at 1:52 PM
Cartmaniak streams his homemade snuff movies from a server in his dungeon. Will have to get the link from him, though.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:52 PM
It’s crazy how much more often he fumbles in the playoffs compared to the regular season. I think it’s a fluky stat that regresses to the mean soon. But still, it worries me.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:52 PM
he was just warming up for his chance as Eagles coach.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:53 PM
If you are a Pats fan, you should. Ravens fan, not so much
I maintain that the pick-six was PI, and the last td was as flukey as it gets.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:53 PM
Hey look another misuse of “random” in terms of football.
Baltimore blew their lane assignments twice, Denver exploited it twice. This is the opposite of random.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:53 PM
Holy shit was Billick clueless. I’m not a critic of the analysts at all. All I ask is that they know the score/game situation and who the players are before spouting their cliches, platitudes, etc. Doesn’t take a genius. Billick should get canned for that abomination of a broadcast.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:53 PM
Yes.
Misplayed long passes happen all the time in the NFL. It also wasn’t pass interference.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:54 PM
Sousedbergin’s home theater.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:54 PM
Manning is arguably the best regular season QB to ever play. However, legacies are determined in the playoffs. And because of that, and because he, like Marino, was unable to do enough to overcome his own team’s weaknesses, he will never be in the conversation with Brady and Montana. There are QBs like Bradshaw that won big in the postseason, but who were never really THE reason their teams won (like Brady and Montana).
I hate that the Ravens beat the Broncos because now I’m forced to pull for the Pats and Brady.
Oh, Pats fans: 18-1.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:54 PM
Well said HuskerDawg. Apparently I just echoed your sentiments
January 14th, 2013 at 1:54 PM
Me too, but more for the pass rush than for Salmon. Pats need to get in Flacco’s face so he throws those deep ones inaccurately.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:55 PM
Agreed. I don’t listen. I have the volume low…and often hit the flip forward button (30 seconds) on my remote between plays.
/commercials are for suckers
//so is horseshit commentary
///same with FGs, punts, and kickoffs
January 14th, 2013 at 1:55 PM
This is what drives me insane about commentators like Dierdorf, Aikman, etc.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:56 PM
A lot went right for Baltimore on that last TD. But Flacco avoided a rush and purposefully lofted that ball high to try and get it to drop straight down to Jones. Moore misplayed that ball because it was so high and Flacco put a lot on it. Definitely still a bad defensive play but there was some intention behind the toss.
The pick-six wasn’t PI. I don’t know what else to do other than post Periera’s tweet again. It only felt like PI because the officials did such a shit job calling it the rest of the game on both sides.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:57 PM
I think people get too worked up about analysts misspeaking or misinterpreting a situation. They are mainly there to translate the X and O, nuts and bolts type of stuff. The casual fan should be able to assess situational stuff on their own
January 14th, 2013 at 1:57 PM
You guys do that and Baltimore loses. Line play will likely determine who goes to the SB.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:58 PM
Exactly. Random would be some BAL player thinks he tackles the return man, but his knee never touched and he exploited the BAL ST unit letting up thinking he was down and runs it back for a TD…twice. That’s random.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:58 PM
No, it looked to me like PI on replay. Periera isn’t always right. He has a natural tendency to side with the officials. PI is a tough call, no doubt, and bad calls happen, but I will always think the db got their early
January 14th, 2013 at 1:59 PM
Yep. I was disappointed Hightower didn’t seem to have much impact, though I missed a little bit when it started raining inside the house. One of Francis/Deaderick/Jones is going to have to make an impact on the pass rush in sub packages if Pats want to win. Did Pats really have no sacks yesterday???
January 14th, 2013 at 1:59 PM
I get that they are professionals, but it’s really hard to be on air for that long period of time without cliches and general dumb comments getting in the way. I just roll my eyes and keep it moving.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:59 PM
The only time in history a playoff team has blown a lane assignment twice in one game was Saturday. Totally not random.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:59 PM
Agreed to an extent. Balt need big days from Kruger, Ngata in rush, as well as Ellerbe in zone
January 14th, 2013 at 1:59 PM
Myth. They won the last 2 Super Bowls as more of a passing team than a running team as they occured after the Mel Blount rule went into effect.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:59 PM
While I somewhat agree with you, when they say things like “they should kick a field goal here to get it within a two score game and then look to onside kick” when it’s ALREADY a two score game, and do things like that repeatedly, they should not be in the broadcast booth.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:59 PM
You’ve listened to a Gus Johnson game though right?
January 14th, 2013 at 2:00 PM
Cool. TD stands.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:00 PM
Can you please name me a QB that won the SB all on their own without the rest of their team being good?
/I’ll hang up and listen
January 14th, 2013 at 2:00 PM
I agree with this. If you need to know the down and distance and time left, it’s literally right there on the tv screen. I’d rather here an analyst say why he thinks what the team is doing is good or bad and what he would do differently if he has a difference of opinion. I’d also like more explanation on what the defense or offense is running and why they’re running it.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:01 PM
Ninkovich has a chance to make plays v the mediocre Oher, no longer playing on the blindside
January 14th, 2013 at 2:01 PM
I know they had at least one, the one where Schaub ran from the pocket and the ball slipped out of his hand and he just fell on it.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:02 PM
Billick was embarrassing Sunday. I was putting Super Bowl XXXV stuff in a drawer he was so bad.
Yeah, those guys will matter. That said, I think Baltimore can win even if the defense plays poorly. I don’t think they can win if the line does.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:02 PM
He’s terrible no doubt. But him calling a game would never lead me to not watch.
Exactly. It’s why it’s hard to bust on a radio show host or says something dumb every now and again. When you’re talking for 4 hours, you’re going to say something that wasn’t well thought out.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:03 PM
fuck me. HEAR
January 14th, 2013 at 2:03 PM
How the fuck do I work this, Vladdy? I get a message that says “Go fuck yourself, you’re not a member of this league.” Do I have to send you my info?
January 14th, 2013 at 2:04 PM
Balt oline needs to run block well. Any competent team can pass block and get open v Pats, and Flacco has enough mobility to ellude the rush. In particular, Wilfork v interior line in run game will be huge
January 14th, 2013 at 2:04 PM
Devil’s advocate: Does TBL get slack for putting out ten posts a day? (some of which are not well thought out)
January 14th, 2013 at 2:04 PM
Just click on the fantasy hockey homepage and then join a league, put in the info
January 14th, 2013 at 2:04 PM
The pick-six wasn’t PI. I don’t know what else to do other than post Periera’s tweet again. It only felt like PI because the officials did such a shit job calling it the rest of the game on both sides.
Whether it was PI or not, it’s not the type of interception that goes on the quarterback, unlike the final one. It’s an example again of why interception numbers show no year to year correlation.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:05 PM
Yes, because he does it with an insane level of consistency. Same rule applies to Colin Cowherd and Rush Limbaugh. The occasional fuck up should be viewed as such. When you do it on the reg it’s a clear pattern.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:06 PM
It was a crappy throw. That said, I’m fine with that one not being on Manning.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:07 PM
I don’t get the Gus hate. Is it mainly him calling football games or altogether? I find him fun to listen to. Is it over the top? Sure, but after watching more football than I’ve ever watched in my life this year, those dudes get boring quick
January 14th, 2013 at 2:07 PM
Sweet, and here I am worried about the pass rush.
I actually thought they were decent on defense yesterday. They knew Schaub would zero in on #80, and were going to live with it if he made a few spectacular catches, but they weren’t going to do anything dramatic to stop him, and leave themselves vulnerable.
The Ravens just have better WRs, and if Jacoby Jones fails at dropping a long pass, that could be trouble.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:07 PM
Well, writing is different. It’s not immediate. You can always hit the backspace button if you catch yourself writing something dumb.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:08 PM
His style fits hoops better. Too much down time in football. Also, he knows absolutely nothing about football
January 14th, 2013 at 2:08 PM
Hopefully his posts are stream of consciousness, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:08 PM
Also an excellent point.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:08 PM
Billick was embarrassing Sunday. I was putting Super Bowl XXXV stuff in a drawer he was so bad.
I think there is a difference between messing up a name in the heat of the moment or inverting the teams, and talking about a strategy that would involve trying a field goal, making it, trying an onside kick, getting it, trying and making another field goal then winning in overtime, rather than just going for it on 4th and 5 and winning the game.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:08 PM
How bout Super Bowl winning teams where a QB barely helps them throughout the year
/trent dilfer
January 14th, 2013 at 2:09 PM
Defending Peyton, now Eli? Why don’t you try using your powers for good, jerk.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:09 PM
Color
January 14th, 2013 at 2:09 PM
Exactly. He is tailor made for a close bball game with 5 minutes left. But what makes him so good in that arena is what makes him bad in football.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:09 PM
*are not
/nailed it
January 14th, 2013 at 2:10 PM
Gus going to football is the worst media career move this side of Reilly to ESPN
January 14th, 2013 at 2:12 PM
Yeah, the strategy and tactics piece is what bothers me. Why have a former NFL head coach in the booth if not to dispense cogent breakdowns of these scenarios? Getting that stuff so spectacularly wrong invalidates the entire reason he’s there.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:13 PM
Ray Hudson would cause blog riots if soccer was more popular in this country.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:13 PM
Even in that SB Dilfer hit Stokely for a long TD.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:14 PM
Well, writing is different. It’s not immediate. You can always hit the backspace button if you catch yourself writing something dumb.
True, and it also differs greatly with what you are writing. I self-edit while writing and take a quick glance many times, but you’re usually getting a first draft with maybe a few modifications. I’m not going through to make sure I avoided every cliche.
The pieces I have written for magazines or the preseason stuff was more like fifth drafts with major revisions and changes.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:17 PM
Thanks, Cowboy Mike. Jeezus I’m old and stupid.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:17 PM
link? Just thinking of someone like Joe Montana in a low risk passing offense…Steve Young with the Niners, too.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:18 PM
Most people don’t write in cliches though. They just give 110%, and leave everything out there on the paper.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:18 PM
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut
January 14th, 2013 at 2:22 PM
I understand there will be variance based on tipped balls, injuries (line giving less protection, wrs hurt meaning less open options), situation (lead vs trail), dropped ints.
But there is definitely correlation based on scheme/skillset/decision making tendencies. Brees high int, Brady low int for example
January 14th, 2013 at 2:23 PM
I can’t shake the impression I have of the Ravens which they made over the course of this season, especially towards the middle and end of the year. The Texans annihilated them and they were, I believe, healthy at the time. I understand that they were banged up the last few games of the season, but 13-10 over a Byron Leftwhich team?
I just can’t see them going on the road and winning v. the Pats absent a Brady injury or a lopsided TO total.
But, again, 18-1. Didn’t see that one coming either.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:23 PM
“one bad pass”
So the pick 6 earlier doesnt count? Or the fumble that gave them another 3 points?
Remove a couple of blowouts over horribly overmatched Denver or KC in the mid-2000′s and those stats look much worse.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:28 PM
They weren’t totally healthy, but yeah, they looked bad in Houston. Ravens-Steelers games are crazy. It’s cliche as shit, but you can throw the records and the personnel out. It’s going to be a tight, low-scoring affair most times.
Worth mentioning — Cameron was their OC in both those games.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:29 PM
Always a fan of removing good games from consideration when the goal is to prove someone’s bad…you can’t lose!
January 14th, 2013 at 2:30 PM
fixed
January 14th, 2013 at 2:31 PM
Remove 2010 from existence and I can start to call Aaron Rodgers a fraud.
/still bitter
January 14th, 2013 at 2:31 PM
Yeah, this NEVER gets old…
Just like one in five teenagers in New Orleans
Fantastic.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:39 PM
Maybe it’s just my perception, but it seems like he needs to be reminded at halftime that Anquan Boldin plays for the Ravens.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:54 PM
He tends to ride the hot hand. Boldin will go HAM one game, Smith the next. I do worry how little he uses the tight ends – that’s one thing Cameron did well – and his OT playcalling Saturday was highly suspect. But Flacco seems a lot more comfortable with this offense.
I will say this about Boldin — he has inconsistent hands. He dropped a ball that cost the Ravens a playoff win against the Steelers two years ago, he dropped a TD against the Pats in last year’s title game and had two drops yesterday (albeit in zero degree weather). He’s certainly capable of making outstanding plays in big moments. But when a ball is on its way to Boldin, I’m never sure how it’s going to play out.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:55 PM
I didn’t read the whole thread so apologies if it’s been said. But the problem I have with the whole “If you take away those special teams touchdowns then blah blah blah” argument is that if they were just regular returns or touchbacks or whatever, the offense would still have a drive that might very well have ended in points.