Alabama Paid Coaches $1.46 Million in BCS Title Bonuses, $525,000 to Nick Saban Alone
Major college athletic departments: cash-strapped by choice since football became a professional sport on television. Alabama won its third-straight BCS Title. This was quite lucrative for anyone remotely affiliated with the team, except the players of course.
Alabama paid out $1.46 million in bonuses for the BCS win. Nick Saban received $525,000, $400,000 for the BCS Title and $125,000 for the SEC Title. The 14 members of Alabama’s football staff, all earning six-figures, received 20 percent bonuses ranging from $23,000 to $190,000. Even Alabama AD Mal Moore, an essential component to this triumph, received a $50,000 bonus.
For perspective, the money spent for these bonuses would have covered $3,000 “cost of attendance” payments for the entire football team and an additional 401 student-athletes at Alabama.
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January 14th, 2013 at 10:32 AM
That’s it?
January 14th, 2013 at 10:32 AM
Good for Saban and his staff to be paid what was in their contracts for succeeding.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:34 AM
Interesting.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:36 AM
too low
January 14th, 2013 at 10:36 AM
Let’s make it even worse for them!
January 14th, 2013 at 10:37 AM
good get.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:38 AM
PAY THE COACHES!
January 14th, 2013 at 10:39 AM
Found an old article. Love seeing these players bitch –
January 14th, 2013 at 10:40 AM
What was the players’ bonus other than stuff they’d better not sell until they’ve left school?
January 14th, 2013 at 10:40 AM
Excellent return on mill usage fees and harvest, Saban’s land is the envy of all the gentry.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:41 AM
How much after taxes?
January 14th, 2013 at 10:41 AM
Drop in the bucket
January 14th, 2013 at 10:42 AM
Given what he brings back to the University, obviously Saban is worth to the money.
And somehow I think all those players will be fine in the NFL.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:42 AM
is this kinda like the money not being spent on not developing a mobile site is also not being spent on not paying the unpaid interns?
January 14th, 2013 at 10:43 AM
Alabama won its third-straight BCS Title.
Oh yeah?
January 14th, 2013 at 10:44 AM
I think he means the state of Alabama?
January 14th, 2013 at 10:44 AM
For perspective, the money spent for these bonuses would have covered $3,000 “cost of attendance” payments for the entire football team and an additional 401 student-athletes at Alabama.
There’s something a little Dr. Zhivago-like about this.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:44 AM
Must be difficult to be non-profit when your business is extremely lucrative and you don’t pay the labour force.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:45 AM
this is as merit-based a bunch of bonuses as ive ever seen.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:46 AM
I’m curious to know if Urban gets a bonus for getting one of the best players in Michigan to commit to OSU?
January 14th, 2013 at 10:49 AM
There’s something a little Dr. Zhivago-like about this.It’s early but I am confident this makes no sense.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:49 AM
For track, if you lived off campus and had to stay around school for winter practice/meets or for a couple weeks after school ended in the summer (for post school meets/regions/nationals/etc), they would give you some ridiculous amount of money per week, like over $1000 bucks. You would have had to already pay your rent anyway, so everyone wanted to live off campus to get this extra coin. Just a ridiculous amount of money. Also, if you were on scholarship, you had a meal plan for free at the athletic dining hall, which had limitless (and pretty decent) food.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:49 AM
except the players of course, and all the shit they received for playing in the game as well.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:50 AM
duffy wants the players to get half of another scholarship in bonuses.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:52 AM
I’m glad the avails of serfdom were kind to you.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:52 AM
It’s early but I am confident this makes no sense.
I’m calling Duffy’s statement $ociali$t in a tongue-in-cheek manner:
Although it contains passages written in the 1910s and 1920s, Doctor Zhivago was not completed until 1956. The novel was submitted to the literary journal Novy Mir (“Новый Мир”). However, the editors rejected Pasternak’s novel because of its implicit rejection of $ociali$t realism.[4] The author, like Zhivago, showed more concern for the welfare of individuals than for the welfare of society. Soviet censors construed some passages as anti-Soviet. They were also enraged by Pasternak’s subtle criticisms of Stalinism, Collectivization, the Great Purge, and the Gulag.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:53 AM
duffy wants the players to get half of another scholarship in bonuses.
In fairness, if someone wanted to give me half of an athletic scholarship on top of other forms of compensation, I’d take it in a second.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:55 AM
When does the NFL review post go up?
January 14th, 2013 at 10:55 AM
Apparently back in the day DePaul used to use something like this to “pay” their basketball players. Essentially they used to get the local kids to play for them and if they lived off campus they could pay them a cost of living allowance. So the kids from Chicago would live at home and basically pocket the money. Sounds like a nice recruiting tool.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:56 AM
Cool, let’s play Price Of Right College Football Edition where we guess the actual retail value of players. Guessing it’s more than a fucking IPOD and a hoodie when examining that Brandon Jennings made $3.65 million by playing in Europe (endorsements plus salary).
January 14th, 2013 at 10:56 AM
Anyone going to hockey practice in their cities? Penguins are having open practices at CONSOL this week during the day, and having a scrimmage Wednesday night. Definitely going to that. Free hockey! Eight dollars beers!
January 14th, 2013 at 10:57 AM
agreed europeans don’t understand finance.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:58 AM
Then those kids can go play football in Europe or Canada. They sure as fuck can’t play in the NFL because it isn’t legal to broadcast to broadcast a 27 year old LB killing an 18 year old RB on Sundays.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:58 AM
I’m pretty sure that was totally legal back then. St. John’s did the same thing. The inner city commuter schools (Houston also?) have not coincidentally seen a downturn in their relevance.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:58 AM
agreed europeans don’t understand finance.
You know, I’ve heard of a great website run by this company called Yahoo that might be able to enrich their lives.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:59 AM
The inner city commuter schools (Houston also?) have not coincidentally seen a downturn in their relevance.
You mean aside from when Clyde Drexler was the coach?
January 14th, 2013 at 10:59 AM
Confused because Zhivago is more of an American individualist than anything.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:59 AM
How much money will Johnny Football be making for everyone except himself the next two years?
January 14th, 2013 at 11:00 AM
Clowney, Jadeveon. Should be playing in the NFL. Try again.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:01 AM
hah, for a second there i thought that said eunuch their lives…kinda redundant, no? europeans haven’t had any balls since WWII.
/high five
//you hear about this story? holy shit. guess france has been bombing the shit out of em ever since.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:01 AM
How much will he be making for himself by getting a free education, free physical training, free health care, and free coaching? I bet that adds up pretty quickly.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:01 AM
Goes a long way in ‘Bama. Not like he’s living in California. He keeps this up, he could buy the state.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:01 AM
Wild are having their AHL team up here for scrimmages tonight and an open one on Wednesday. 7pm start time, so can’t bring the Elder to it. Would haven been fun, though.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:02 AM
OH COME ON NOW.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:02 AM
//you hear about this story? holy shit. guess france has been bombing the shit out of em ever since.
Just read about it an hour ago. Looks like France isn’t quite as good at commando rescues as they used to be.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:02 AM
Should help him keep up on the tax payments for the $11m vacation home he can’t sell.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:02 AM
AJ Graves never had it bad at Butler. But its a rich white school.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:03 AM
So 1 guy out of approximately 5100 underclassmen being physically capable of playing in the NFL means that they should all be able to declare for the draft out of high school? That sure as hell hasn’t created ANY problems for the NBA.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:03 AM
Enrollment alone is going to skyrocket.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:04 AM
Yeah, because he’d be the only one who went to the NFL. And I’m not even sure he’s going to be that good when he doesn’t get to play against 19-year-old tackles.
Once every five years someone comes along who can play in the NFL. Change the rule and 50 players a year leave early.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:04 AM
hey, even the SAS aint battin 1.000.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:05 AM
Remember Mike Williams?
January 14th, 2013 at 11:05 AM
I wonder why he made a conscious decision to go play for people that won’t be providing him value of any sort.
Bad move, IMO.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:05 AM
$0.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:05 AM
Would you say that the coaches are…lucky…to have received a bonus like that?
/runs away
January 14th, 2013 at 11:06 AM
Question is why there is a rule about it. If, as you say, none of these guys are physically ready to play and must play three years of college football the market would bear that out and these guys wouldn’t get drafted anyway.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:06 AM
hey, even the SAS aint battin 1.000.
Oh I know. And anytime we think we’re invincible let’s just take a moment and remember Operation Eagle Claw.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:07 AM
Serious question, Duffy: What do you think would happen to men’s tennis, men’s swimming, men’s track and field and men’s cross country if we “pay the players”? Would they survive? Would administrators lose their jobs instead? I’m guessing women’s programs wouldn’t be affected much due to Title IX.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:07 AM
who cares about coaching? and he’s only getting training and health care because that kid’s playing a preposterously violent game where the culture prefers battlefield surgery while disregarding the long-term health effects it’ll have on these kids.
a token insurance policy here and now aint worth shit when you cant get insurance in your 50′s because you can’t walk or your brain’s too fucked up to function.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:07 AM
It’s not free. He’s working for it.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:08 AM
shit, i was even thinking of the JSOC botched rescue of linda norgrove, where she was killed by a SEALs grenade.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:08 AM
This hasn’t stopped dozens of players from leaving college when they shouldn’t.
/Fuck you Jordan Williams
January 14th, 2013 at 11:08 AM
Just looked at a pic. You guys covered it here in ’12, right? That house is sweet, and being on the lake would be a dream.
He’s not marketing it right. Sell it to some young, silly, NBA player.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:09 AM
Approximately zero college athletes in the entire country agree with this statement.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:10 AM
Question is why there is a rule about it. If, as you say, none of these guys are physically ready to play and must play three years of college football the market would bear that out and these guys wouldn’t get drafted anyway.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:11 AM
there isn’t a single offensive lineman who’s ready for the NFL coming out of high school. hell, there aren’t that many ready for college ball as frosh, let alone the NFL.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:11 AM
AS I HAVE WRITTEN 5,000 TIMES ON THIS WEBSITE – Absolutely nothing.
I’ve advocated
(1) Players should have their Cost of Attendance covered. That covers all Student Athletes Under TItle IX. Most major D-1 departments can cover that without issue. Big schools are trying to get that passed.
(2) Olympic model – Players don’t get paid for playing but retain their personal licensing rights. Johnny Football gets a cut if Texas A&M wants to sell Johnny Football jerseys. He can sign endorsement agreements with whomever. That costs the schools nothing.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:11 AM
It’s no mystery why every single one of these serfs leave as soon as they can. I can’t remember the last time I saw several players on just about every BCS program who could have gone pro but decided to come back.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:12 AM
I guess if you want to pay the players you could also make them pay for everything listed above, along with every meal, any rent, clothes, etc. I know I’d rather have the scholarship, free meals, coddled lifestyle, and extensive per diem that I always saved up and bought booze with for postseason fun, but what the fuck do I know?
January 14th, 2013 at 11:12 AM
Congressman or senator* from years past in regards to Title X who tried to separate the profit sports from the non-profit. Women’s UCONN basketball are free to pay themselves.
Why are cross country runners entitled to monetary support from football players?
*Hate the guy and his politics
January 14th, 2013 at 11:12 AM
Oh, so he IS being compensated for his efforts? So what, exactly, is your argument? I’m perfectly fine with cost of living additions to scholarships, but they need to be tightly controlled and rational. Your idea of paying the players is something completely different. If you want to watch the NFL, watch the NFL.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:13 AM
shit, i was even thinking of the JSOC botched rescue of linda norgrove, where she was killed by a SEALs grenade.
It reminds me of interviews with World War II veterans when they talked about the difference between American fragmentation grenades and German “potato knocker” grenades. They said that the German grenades exploded outward away from the direction it was thrown and so could be used in an assault by German soldiers. American GI’s though used to throw their frag grenades and, because they exploded outward in all directions, everyone had to then take cover.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:13 AM
i get where you’re coming from, but for some reason, that just makes me squirm. they should be able to get money for using their image, but it should be provided thru the school and NO endorsements. the school’s image is being used as well…at least as long as they dont do those horrible commercials with generic unis on.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:14 AM
All for paying guys, but Johnny Football or the Alabama guys probably shouldn’t be exhibit A. They will end up taking quite a bit away from college sports. Being a member of a national champ is quite the line on the resume that will afford these guys opportunities they probably wouldn’t have gotten otherwise. Of all the football players out there, they are the ones most likely to have actually “gotten paid” by football.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:14 AM
lol…you know, the more i read about it, the more i think the allies would’ve been totally fucking fucked without an outrageous numbers advantage. we did (and still do) some stupid, STUPID shit.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:15 AM
I’m not really wanting to get into this, but having successful athletic programs beyond football can be very important for a school’s overall athletic program. Also, a well managed cross country team costs so little money to run that it’s not even worth bringing up.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:15 AM
St. Johns in NY had this NCAA loophole where players could stay at home and get their dorm cost sent as cash. Then they built extra dorms and they arent eligible for that anymore.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:15 AM
Spencer, you can’t argue against coaching being an important perk of the CFB system and the turn around and say that OL aren’t ready for the NFL or even CFB as freshmen. That coaching they receive is a HUGE part of them being able to get paid in the NFL.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:17 AM
We talking free markets up in here? Pace yourself; that’s bordering pretty close to capitalism!
So who covers the cost of the womens softball scholarships? Football? Oh, then nevermind my comment above.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:17 AM
Haven’t heard anything about the Ed O’Bannon lawsuit in a while, that thing still going on? Rooting for a win there
January 14th, 2013 at 11:17 AM
What makes me squirm is ESPN, Texas A&M, Big 12 exploiting the hell out of Manziel and making 10s of Millions off him for two years while he sees shit. Gets a college degree, maybe, which is hardly equitable value.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:17 AM
I love all this free market talk. Yeah, let’s pay Manziel an additional $3000 a year and call it good. Dude will need that money when he gets a nick on the Rolex he got for Christmas.
Or, we could come up with some fancy math and a grossly opinionated formula for determining how much $$$ he’s made for everyone except for himself and use that to pay him a million or two. But what about the offensive lineman that blocked for him? Better give them some dough too. Oh and Ole Miss handed him a game. Better stipend them as well. Oh, and UAB, you better hope you never have a Heisman winner or your entire program will go belly up.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:17 AM
coaching is, sure…fine, i’ll give you that point.
what i was getting at was physically, there isn’t an OL in HS ready to play at that level. some of these DT’s like wilfork or ngata would eat adult OLmen for lunch, let alone kiddos.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:17 AM
Oh, and the Olympic model would be hideously expensive for the NCAA and the schools. Just imagine how many more people would be necessary to track every payment a player received to make sure that the endorsements are coming from real companies and not just straight from a booster to a player.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:18 AM
hard to disagree with that…there’s just gotta be a medium.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:18 AM
So he should just be in the NFL right now, right? He doesn’t need anything that he’s receiving from Texas A&M?
January 14th, 2013 at 11:19 AM
A wwii discusion? Romel was a complete badass and if his coup of Hitler would have been pulled off we would be fucked.
And Spence did you know Hollywood set up a bunch of fake planes/barracks so the German spy planes would think D-Day was coming from a different direction?
January 14th, 2013 at 11:19 AM
lol…you know, the more i read about it, the more i think the allies would’ve been totally fucking fucked without an outrageous numbers advantage. we did (and still do) some stupid, STUPID shit.
Not to mention that the primary Allied tank–not just American but all Allied formations were equipped with it by the end of 1944–was the fucking M-4 Sherman. It was so combustible that its own crews nicknamed it the “Ronson” (a cigarette lighter brand). It’s gun was so substandard that a general rule of thumb was that it took 5 Shermans to take on a German Panther or Tiger tank.
About the only two things the Sherman had going for it was simplicity of manufacture–American industry built 50,000 of them during the war–and mechanical reliability. They required much less maintenance–aside from patching up holes and clearing out the mushed up remains of the previous crew–than German tanks did.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:20 AM
Thanks for answering the question. Sorry for skipping over those details in the past.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:21 AM
Value of college degree is at a historic low even if they were studying something of consequence. Said before someone living in college is not a British coal miner under Thatcher nor a serf in Feudalism, but the players are being exploited for profit. To not see that is to be purposefully blind.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:21 AM
How was he supposed to get the opportunity to do that without the millions that the school invested in a football program? His success comes from a system that the NFL isn’t running, so that wouldn’t have been an option. Now, through the magic of ESPN hyping him up, he actually has a chance to be drafted as a QB and make a shit ton of money.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:21 AM
And Spence did you know Hollywood set up a bunch of fake planes/barracks so the German spy planes would think D-Day was coming from a different direction?
Hollywood and the British film industry. It was called Operation Fortitude and it was very complex. There was a detachment of it based in Scotland whose sole job was to convince Hitler that a British-American army was going to assault Norway some time in 1944.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:22 AM
Who cares if they’re legit companies? If some loser with too much money wants to fork it over to college football players let him, just don’t put them on university payrolls
January 14th, 2013 at 11:22 AM
charlie sheen’s dopeman…yup and yup.
ms621…everytime i watched greatest tank battles i always thought to myself “why in blue fuck would they use the shermans so much.” the sherman was like an AK47 that shot a .22…yea, it was easy to maintain and reliable, but how good is reliably shooting peas?
January 14th, 2013 at 11:23 AM
I would love to see this model in effect. Oregon would win the National Title 100x in a row.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:23 AM
MS – its shit like that they should teach in high school
January 14th, 2013 at 11:23 AM
I’m sure Taylor Lewan is sure feeling exploited. Turns down a nearly guaranteed 1st round slot to go back to his school for a 5th year. (Hey, if Duffy can use one person as an example of the entire system being flawed, so can I.)
January 14th, 2013 at 11:23 AM
Not paying an intern does not add value to the internship experience. There is compensation but it’s a pittance.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:23 AM
What about the facetime he gets? What about the scouts who are able to watch his games on those networks? What about the interviews he gets on those networks on Sunday morning recap shows? The coaching? The access to world class training facilities? I’m not saying he shouldn’t get some form of compensation, but you sometimes conveniently leave some of those details out.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:24 AM
ms621…everytime i watched greatest tank battles i always thought to myself “why in blue fuck would they use the shermans so much.” the sherman was like an AK47 that shot a .22…yea, it was easy to maintain and reliable, but how good is reliably shooting peas?
It’s not that it had a small gun. It used a 75mm (or maybe it was 76?) main gun, which is comparable in size to the original gun of the legendary Russian T-34 (one of the greatest tanks ever built). But it’s muzzle velocity was too low and so its rounds couldn’t pierce German armor. The way that most German tanks were defeated by Shermans was not by penetrating the armor but by the Shermans taking out their tracks and disabling them.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:25 AM
MS – its shit like that they should teach in high school
While I agree, there’s so much material to cover in an academic year, you wouldn’t be able to get anything else. I could teach a year long course on D-Day itself.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:25 AM
There is a Ken Follet novel, “eye of the needle,” i think. Its historical fiction but its amazing.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:26 AM
Like I’ve advocated to the the pay the players crowd. Pay them. But take away scholarships. Just give them a full cost of attendance check at the beginning of the year and see what happens. Just think it would help Vanderbilt’s recruiting. Cost a hell of a lot more to go there than to the local State school.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:26 AM
Soused-
If it is an internship does that mean that only the guys who are there to eventually move on to the NFL need to be paid? The rest of the team must just be there to get the free education and play football a few last times, so they obviously feel they don’t necessarily need the on the job experience for the future.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:26 AM
But why the fuck did I get 2 months of the Byzantine empire?
January 14th, 2013 at 11:27 AM
ah, see i thought it was just a small gun. mustve confused it with a more modern tank…still ended up at the same conclusion tho, they didnt do shit.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:27 AM
But why the fuck did I get 2 months of the Byzantine empire?
Hey, it’s important.
/2 months is a bit much though
January 14th, 2013 at 11:28 AM
If I secure a 5 million dollar NSF grant for my university I dont see any of that money. Helps my career in the long run, adds exposure, but I dont get any cash.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:28 AM
Also, I’ve had an unpaid internship. I don’t recall the company I worked for paying my rent, giving me three squares a day, free healthcare, or a free education I could actually put a $ number on.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:28 AM
True, my idea is to pay them minimum wage as part time seasonal workers. 20 hours a week in season NCAA? Rosters would be trimmed to 75 or so and the cost per team is roughly Saban’s one game bonus for all wages for a year. Paid for using a cap on coach wages and recruiting. You want to make private sector dollars as a coach move to the NFL.
/Hilarious to see how fast the southern states raise the minimum wage
January 14th, 2013 at 11:29 AM
istanbul was constantiople, now it’s instanbul not constantinople!
January 14th, 2013 at 11:29 AM
This is not even close to being comparable to an unpaid intern. I don’t mean any offense, but that’s one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. Manziel is getting a ridiculous amount of unquantifiable (maybe quantifiable with some sort of complex formula) value due to the support system that he has via aTm. Fuck the college degree argument; I don’t even think that matters. The pay the players argument is so ass backwards it makes my head hurt. Duffy argues about this shit because he sees big figures and gets all outraged. He knows nothing about the intricacies of the value provided to these kids on a daily basis (strictly monetary, not the stuff thats hard to quantify), hence why all of my comments mentioning those things get glossed over.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:29 AM
My buddies got an unpaid internship in London with Barclays. Talk about a scam
January 14th, 2013 at 11:30 AM
ah, see i thought it was just a small gun. mustve confused it with a more modern tank…still ended up at the same conclusion tho, they didnt do shit.
Just because they were similar size guns, though, doesn’t mean they were anywhere near the same quality. It’s all about quality of rounds and muzzle velocity and the Sherman muzzle velocity was just too low. Its designers opted for a lower muzzle velocity because it meant less wear and tear on the barrel and thus less maintenance. German guns used guns with very high muzzle velocity which gave them tremendous hitting power, but also meant that the barrel either had to be replaced much more often. And a gun barrel, especially one with a rifled interior, is a very complicated piece to fabricate. It takes time, precision, and lots of raw materials. And time and raw materials were something that Germans did not have a lot of in late 1944.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:30 AM
This one time I stubbed my toe which was way better than the time I broke my hand.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:30 AM
ok, so based on that, could not any student who appears on a commercial, catalog or any other medium promoting the University have a legit gripe? the University is making money off their image, are they not?
January 14th, 2013 at 11:30 AM
So you want to give them less money than they get right now?
January 14th, 2013 at 11:31 AM
I’m shocked nobody wants to buy a gaudy house in Nowhere, Georgia. Imagine if Saban had a son (maybe he does). Dude would have more requests than secretariat.
As for Clowney and Manziel: when is an underclassman going to show some balls and declare early, then sue the NFL? Most legal people believe the NFL would lose in court.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:32 AM
i didnt know these details, but it makes a ton of sense. german firearms are exquisite, but there’s so many moving parts…
January 14th, 2013 at 11:32 AM
Already happened. Kid lost.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:33 AM
Mo “Get My Goose On” Clarett already tried this.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:33 AM
That because his success equals monetary success for the school. My point is if he was getting minimum wage would that diminish the value he receives? Of course not, the intern example falls apart as interns are allowed to seek paid employment from other companies.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:33 AM
Too bad he is not a great coach.
/Queefer’d
January 14th, 2013 at 11:34 AM
Johnny Football can quit aTm and drive trucks or dig ditches. Its not aTm’s fault that the NFL has an age limit. Take that up with them.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:35 AM
Damn I want to go back to my American Military History class. My prof was a huge navy proponent. Said it won us are greatness
January 14th, 2013 at 11:35 AM
I have a job and it pays me a salary. Sometimes I get a bonus.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:35 AM
$5000 on top of current “pay”, also as paid employees they are free to capitalize from their likeness.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:36 AM
The intern example falls apart because it is a horrible example. These kids could try to find employment elsewhere as well.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:37 AM
So pay him minimum wage and make him pay for every little thing provided to him? Then we can let corporations offer him endorsement deals and in turn facilitate the end of college football? Like I said before: “I know I’d rather have the scholarship, free meals, coddled lifestyle, and extensive per diem that I always saved up and bought booze with for postseason fun, but what the fuck do I know?”
January 14th, 2013 at 11:37 AM
Oh and speaking of weapons. My grandpa brought back a German Luger off an SS officer. It’s worth a shit ton of money.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:37 AM
Clarett? I heard legal analysts (forgot who) talking about how Clowney should do it, thinking he’d win. I don’t know what they thought differentiated this from the Clarett case though
January 14th, 2013 at 11:38 AM
That is an entirely different thing than you said, but whatever. Basically you are supporting a cost of living increase. Which, I agree, needs to be done. That is completely different than Duffy’s insane proposals.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:38 AM
And seeing as it was Sotomayor who ruled on that case when she was on the district bench, and the SC rejecting cert on it, that issue is fairly dead in the water right now. They were very clear that the NFL CBA is exempt from antitrust.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:39 AM
my grandfather took a book from hitler’s place with a bunch of artwork in it that the monuments men tracked him down for…lil interview with him here.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:40 AM
Yeah, sctrojans, and Clarett was more ready for the NFL than Clowney. If he couldn’t come out ahead against Lewan, than he would have been in for a very rough year if he was able to leave for the NFL.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:41 AM
Where? Would also rein the amount of hours teams make students works. Also NCAA has a staff of just over 400 with a payroll of $50 million. Fuck that noise.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:42 AM
That’s way cool Spence. Aside from the gun my grandpa has alot of maps of the bridges he helped design. I get them when he dies.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:43 AM
CFB players are interns who get paid, they just get paid less than some (Duffy) think they should. I really don’t get the issue. Again, the fact that this site has unpaid interns, yet at the same time mounts this jihad is hilarious to me.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:44 AM
Get used in EA’s NCAA 2014 and get paid for it…nothing insane about it
January 14th, 2013 at 11:44 AM
You said you wanted to pay them minimum wage for the 20 hours a week that the NCAA allows them to work. You didn’t say that it was on top of the money they already were receiving. That is all I’m saying. If you weren’t so damn drunk you would notice these things.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:44 AM
ILLEGALLY has unpaid interns.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:44 AM
i didnt know these details, but it makes a ton of sense. german firearms are exquisite, but there’s so many moving parts…
Germans tended to, and still do, over-engineer things. So their vehicles and weapons performed beautifully in combat–the NG 42 is still one of the best machine guns ever built–but required careful maintenance and took a long time to fabricate and manufacture. The Allies suffocated Germany by numbers, pure and simple.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:44 AM
Clowney would be the #1 pick in this draft. Such a dumb rule. NFL should institute a policy similar to what allowed Larry Bird to be drafted a year before he actually entered the league. If that existed, agents would have to seriously consider advising Clowney caliber players to get drafted and train for a year. Insane that a Lattimore suffers a devastating injury in college when he could already be a pro
January 14th, 2013 at 11:47 AM
pretty fuckin’ cool. was he an engineer?
January 14th, 2013 at 11:47 AM
While all true, think it’s safe to say that at this point the last thing the NFL is going to do with the health concerns not going away is let younger people into the league.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:47 AM
Duffy seriously doesn’t have much knowledge about any of this nor has he put much productive thought into it. He just sees Saban gets a bonus for working 85+ hour weeks and winning a championship and for some reason that makes him really angry for Johnny Manziel’s sake. Meanwhile, Manziel couldn’t give two shits because he’s living what is probably the best life someone could lead in America and he’s 2-3 years away from being completely ready to play in the NFL and collect the big bucks.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:52 AM
Is there a limit on the endorsement? Is there a limit on the number of separate endorsements? Are they tied to performance? Would this be regulated at all, or would it be free reign?
January 14th, 2013 at 11:52 AM
Monuments Men is a really awesome read.
The biggest generalization one can make about WWII — a correct one, IMO — is that we’re lucky Hitler was a terrible military leader.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:53 AM
What makes me squirm is ESPN, Texas A&M, Big 12 exploiting the hell out of Manziel and making 10s of Millions off him for two years while he sees shit. Gets a college degree, maybe, which is hardly equitable value.
you are not familiar with the rest of the world, are you?
January 14th, 2013 at 11:54 AM
Again, why are we sure Clowney is going to be a stud DE? What happens when he has to play against NFL-caliber linemen?
January 14th, 2013 at 11:54 AM
Is Russell Wilson making Johnny Football a ton of money right now?
Where would Manziel have been drafted a few years ago? Where will he be drafted in two years?
January 14th, 2013 at 11:54 AM
I say this everytime it gets brought up; do away with all athletic scholarships. The pros can then create their own minor league systems if they want trained players. The people who want to play college sports will still play.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:56 AM
/shudders at what it’d cost to attend a game
January 14th, 2013 at 11:56 AM
Pay Russell Wilson.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:56 AM
You realize you write for a site that doesn’t pay its intern, right?
January 14th, 2013 at 11:57 AM
And there is where you’re flat out wrong. He sees a ton. He will be drafted into the league that will pay him millions BECAUSE of his time at Texas A&M. It’s the long game for CFB players. They use the school and the school uses them and when they leave they either a) have a degree or b) have a shot at playing in the NFL. Saying they get “shit” out of the partnership is asinine.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:57 AM
Because his physical gifts are probably the most impressive since Lawrence Taylor, as far as pass rushers go
January 14th, 2013 at 11:58 AM
julius peppers was a pretty impressive physical specimen too.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:58 AM
He looks less impressive because he isn’t at the necessary physical or skill level required to be a top DE in the NFL. He is a good to great college DE, but he isn’t there yet for the NFL.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:59 AM
Like the child queens of Nepal, exalted for a couple of years and then forgotten. Also who cares about the NFL this for the 99.99% of college players.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:00 PM
Sure was. Freeney with the ridiculous burst too. IMO Clowney has the best size/speed combo, but it’s splitting hairs
January 14th, 2013 at 12:01 PM
I’m with you, Duffster. If every team wins the BCS title next year, they can all give those bonuses which reflect a championship-related increase in revenue to the students instead of coaches!
January 14th, 2013 at 12:01 PM
There have been a lot of physically impressive college DEs that aren’t able to replicate their amateur success when facing guys of equal talent. I’m not saying Clowney is one of those dudes. I just dont think he’s a consensus No. 1 pick.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:01 PM
wasn’t it kearse who had the fastest first 10 seconds of the 40 in combine history? more than bo, deion, etc? pretty sure.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:01 PM
The statement on top doesn’t mean he’ll be the best DE EVAR!! It just means he’ll be taken No. 1 overall, because he will be unless some QB blows up (Aaron Murray FTW!!!) and is taken No. 1 while he goes to the team picking second.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:02 PM
The biggest generalization one can make about WWII — a correct one, IMO — is that we’re lucky Hitler was a terrible military leader.
Indeed. Though if you want to pinpoint certain events that really changed the course of the war, Japan’s decision NOT to declare war on Russia–even though Germany had declared war on the U.S. on December 10, three days after Japan declared war on the U.S.–allowed Russia to send its entire Siberian army across the Trans-Siberian Railroad to reinforce its crumbling forces facing the Germans. Russia’s far east army arrived just in time to halt the German assault on Moscow in December 1941. If the far east army hadn’t arrived in time Moscow might have fallen and who knows what would have happened to the Soviet government.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:02 PM
that’s the thing tho…in THIS DRAFT, since it’s so weak, he’d probably go no. 1. if there were a legit QB like luck or RGIII or someone dominant WR, he’d probably be challenged moreso.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:02 PM
Wilson has a legit arm, though. Manzeil’s arm is really weak. He’s accurate with the ball, though.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:03 PM
yup…even if japan was kicking russia’s ass too, it’d have been tough for them to make it thur the eastern russian tundra, but it’d have tied up russia’s resoruces and stretched them thin. that was almost as crucial a blunder via non-action as was hitler’s decision to attack russia in the first place.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:04 PM
I truly believe Clowney would be the #1 pick this yr, even if he had to sit out a yr. Granted that’s because this draft sucks at the top, but the point remains
January 14th, 2013 at 12:04 PM
I got to meet Jevon Kearse once… dude was ridiculous. He made other NFL DL/LB look small or weak.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:04 PM
And in classic Kearse fashion, he probably hurt himself just after setting that record.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:05 PM
That was definitely a big one.
Not committing tanks during the D-Day invasion was huge, too. So was Hitler’s inability to grasp the importance of air superiority. The Messerschmidt plane was a far better aircraft than anything the Allies had for the bulk of the war, but Hitler didn’t build enough because he didn’t think it was a priority. By 1944 the Allies used that air superiority to essentially end the European war.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:05 PM
Why would we pay the players that aren’t generating all this supposed money? The players going to NFL are the only ones that would even be valid for this “pay the players” argument. The amount of money/value that any players not good enough to go to the NFL receive is already exceedingly provided to them, and then a LOT more.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:05 PM
Mel Kiper said he would be the first round pick this year.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:05 PM
That gets thrown around every year. Pass rushing DEs are like WRs, the first round is littered with their busted carcasses.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:06 PM
yup…even if japan was kicking russia’s ass too, it’d have been tough for them to make it thur the eastern russian tundra, but it’d have tied up russia’s resoruces and stretched them thin. that was almost as crucial a blunder via non-action as was hitler’s decision to attack russia in the first place.
Stephen Ambrose famously called Hitler’s decision to declare war on the U.S. “one of the most perverse in history”. Think about it: if we didn’t declare war no them after a German U-boat sank an American destroyer, the Reuben James, in October 1941, then why would we in December? The American public was focused on Japan and wanted to put all their effort in the Pacific. I imagine that the U.S. and Britain would have eventually worked out an alliance after FDR had worked over the American public and convinced them of the need, but in the mean time it would have been incredibly awkward to do anything more than assist Britain via the pre-existing Lend-Lease Act.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:07 PM
Probably so, but people betting on Clowney being a bust will be in the vast minority. He’s a legit freak. He also has his head on straight, and it by all accounts very coachable. I think he’s going to be a dynamic pass rusher in the 4-3 somewhere.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:07 PM
Mario Williams was a stupid pick, then he was a great one, now he’s a bust again. Awesome.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:07 PM
Na. Peppers had the size, not the speed. Kearse had the speed, not the size. Nobody has been at Clowney’s level IMO
January 14th, 2013 at 12:09 PM
I don’t think he’ll be a bust. I just don’t think he’ll be a stud, and I don’t think he’s ready for the league right now. He’ll probably end up like Mario Williams, actually: a streak, decent DE.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:09 PM
Crystal ball, best guess: where does Manziel get picked? Factor in his arm, athleticism, height, and the fact that the NFL QB mindset may be different two years hence due to Kaep, Wilson, RGIII, et al.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:09 PM
Meanwhile, JP Losman is just finishing up his streak of playoff years with the Bills.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:10 PM
Combine freak. Didn’t produce in college like Clowney. Not nearly as quick
January 14th, 2013 at 12:11 PM
I would take that bet. I’m not sure if you maybe haven’t seen Clowney all that much, or if you just have to be the contrarian, but you’ll see teams tanking for Clowney by mid-December next year.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:11 PM
Not committing tanks during the D-Day invasion was huge, too. So was Hitler’s inability to grasp the importance of air superiority. The Messerschmidt plane was a far better aircraft than anything the Allies had for the bulk of the war, but Hitler didn’t build enough because he didn’t think it was a priority. By 1944 the Allies used that air superiority to essentially end the European war.
Tanks were used on D-Day successfully on all beaches except Omaha. The fire from coast artillery was heavier there than any other beach and the LCTs carrying the Duxplex Drive Shermans (which could launch from the LCT and swim ashore) freaked out and lauched their tanks too far out with the result that most swamped and sank in the rough seas before reaching shore (keep in mind that a huge storm had blown through the Channel June 4-5 and had only let up hours before the invasion was scheduled to begin). The follow-up tanks were all in LCTs way off shore because it wasn’t imagined that they would be needed right away. Omaha was the only beach where absolutely nothing went according to plan.
Which Messerschmit to you mean? The 109 was produced in greater numbers in 1944 than any fighter plane in history (though its design was showing its age by that time). If you mean the 262, then yes I agree. Hitler’s insistence on it being a bomber to strike back at Britain and the invasion beach head kept it from being deployed as a fighter for many crucial months. And all the experienced pilots who could have flown them were thrown away in the last great German air offensive of WWII, January 1, 1945.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:12 PM
If these two are true, it’s tough to be a bust barring an injury (which we have no reason to think he’s prone to).
January 14th, 2013 at 12:13 PM
That’s tough because he will be in college fot at least two more years (provided he doesn’t do anything stupid…which is not out of the question). I’d say he’s a 2nd round pick at the best. I’m not all that high on him as a pro, but he could get so much better between now and then. If I had to guess I’d say he’s a third round choice.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:13 PM
Clowney only ways 255. That’s not exactly great size. He’s tall and lean. Is he a better prospect than JPP? or Derrick Thomas? Or is he more like Courtney Brown? Lavar Arrington? I don’t know but he needs another year to season I would think.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:14 PM
weighs. ugh.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:14 PM
Clowney has the frame to add another 25 pounds and not miss a beat. I think he’ll play around 270 or so when he gets to the NFL.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:15 PM
Yup, the 262. Hitler’s generals recognized the need for a better air force but their requests fell on deaf ears. That plane could run circles around allied aircraft if properly outfitted.
I may not be remembering this correctly, but I thought Runstadt wanted to immediately deploy his Shermans at Omaha only to be repeatedly denied by Hitler? He knew the tanks were needed but wasn’t allowed to act until it was far too late.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:15 PM
JPP was a reach according to a lot of people… combine guy who needed a lot of seasoning. There was a lot of question how he’d translate to the next level, without a long track record of success and at a lower level of competition. So yes, he’s a way better prospect than JPP, regardless how JPP turned out.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:16 PM
No one is going to tank for a DE. If they do, then they deserve to be terrible for the next five years.
I’m not sold on ever drafting a DE No. 1 because so much of their output depends on the scheme and matchups.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:17 PM
ms621…what are your overall thoughts on the luftwaffe in comparison to the allies?
January 14th, 2013 at 12:17 PM
If his arm strength doesn’t improve I don’t see him drafted any higher than the third round. I think he is more built for the college game.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:17 PM
He’s two years out of high school, he could leave after this upcoming season, right?
January 14th, 2013 at 12:18 PM
Pretty much this. He’s going to wreck shop in college while he’s there because his talents are perfectly suited to that scheme.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:19 PM
He can leave after next year, but I would be stunned if he did. But you’re right that he can leave if he wants to this time next year.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:20 PM
I’d be too, but if he has another season like this previous one, he’d be crazy not to go into the draft.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:21 PM
Looking back at 2010 Draft Grades… even after the 2010 season, lots of people hated the Pierre-Paul pick. Only guy I find that loved it was Prisco.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:22 PM
I guess it all depends on the draft grade at that point. I suspect he’ll have a year very similar to this past one, but I don’t think his draft grade would be very high. Boyd, Murray, Thomas, Bridgewater and McCarron would be above him I would suspect. I’m sure there are others I’m forgetting.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:22 PM
I remember that being one of the most laughed at picks of that draft. Oops.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:24 PM
Me too. I assumed JPP was a one year warrior at USF and would bust. Boy was I wrong.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:24 PM
Nobody can dominate a game more than an unblockable DE, qb excepted
Talking Manziell? I think he goes above all those guys, aside from Bridgewater
January 14th, 2013 at 12:25 PM
Not sure why. Questioning Jerry Reese’s dline acumen is not wise
January 14th, 2013 at 12:25 PM
I may not be remembering this correctly, but I thought Runstadt wanted to immediately deploy his Shermans at Omaha only to be repeatedly denied by Hitler? He knew the tanks were needed but wasn’t allowed to act until it was far too late.
Rundstedt wanted to keep the tanks back in a mobile reserve which would then be used to counterattack the beach heads before they achieved critical mass in terms of men and equipment. Rommel wanted to deploy them on the beaches to attack the first waves. Rundstedt’s idea as doctrinally sound but was based on the supposition that the Germans still had air superiority. Rommel knew from his experience against the British in North Africa that the Allies would take out the transportation network of northern France and attack his reserves as they moved up to attack–which is exactly what happened. There was a German SS Panzer Division recuperating from the Russian front in southern France. On June 6 it received orders to deploy to Normandy in order to counter the Allied invasion. It didn’t finally get in place until early July…nearly a month later. That’s how badly the Allies had destroyed the French road and rail network.
Because Rundstedt and Rommel differed on their tank formation deployment. Hitler compromised and gave half of the Panzers in Normandy (3 divisions) to Rommel would the other three remained under control from Berlin. However any Panzer division required approval from Berlin before they could be deployed from their encampments.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:25 PM
the problem with being optimistic towards everything is that i can’t remember many players i thought would suck that did well because i thought pretty much everyone would do well. shit, i even talked myself into brady fucking quinn.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:26 PM
Peppers should have gone #1 in 2002, but HOU was desperate for a QB. (The top 10 that year is disgusting.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_nfl_draft
January 14th, 2013 at 12:26 PM
Awesome. Nick Marshall is going to Auburn to run Gus’ system. Not looking forward to that. Luckily for him, Auburn will pay him enough not to steal from his own teammates.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:27 PM
How many unblockable DEs exist in the NFL right now? Watt? Smith? Ware? Even a few of those are stretches. A 2-14 team typically needs a lot more than a stud DE.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:27 PM
6-0 and a weak arm? Good luck with that.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:27 PM
/facepalm
are you fucking kidding me? “vot to do, vot to do? i know…letz split our forces in half und you must get ze permission first.”
January 14th, 2013 at 12:28 PM
husker…can you give vonn bell a $500 handshake for me so he doesnt go to bama? i figure since UGA aint got a shot, youd rather him be out of conference.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:29 PM
Uncanny field awareness and mobility. He is an accurate passer too
January 14th, 2013 at 12:29 PM
Guess I should be glad he didn’t come to Texas?
Mack could always have reconverted him to a DB…
January 14th, 2013 at 12:29 PM
With a few exceptions (Reed, Freeney, Peppers, maybe McKinnie) that entire first round is a shitshow.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:30 PM
Hell yes I’d rather him get the fuck out of the SEC. Dude is a stud. I just assume every stud DB will wind up at Bama at this point. Just give me Tunsil, Adams and Kamara. Foster would be the tits, but he’d also be the most likely to get busted doing something stupid before fall camp even began.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:30 PM
OK, cool, thanks for the explanation. I thought there was permission involved somehow but I couldn’t remember the specifics.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:30 PM
Is this a real question? The NFL players all belong to a union. That union is in the business of protecting it members. College kids are not union members, so the NFLPA gives less that two shits what they do.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:31 PM
He should be a DB in any system other than a Malzahn-type of system. I was so pumped about him when he signed. Then he went and stole some cash from his own teammates. In other words, he’s perfect for Auburn.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:31 PM
I can see a team choosing him second round. Wilson will still be fresh in every GM’s mind.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:31 PM
OSU’s got a crazy haul of DB’s coming their way too, even without bell. saban vs. meyer…EEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 14th, 2013 at 12:32 PM
Not many. Watt is a beast, but doesn’t have the speed to beat guys off the edge. Ware, no. Inconsistent. Probably none, unless you count Watt, who’s talents are as a run-pass player. That’s what makes Clowney so special. Best pass rushing talent since LT
January 14th, 2013 at 12:33 PM
ms621…what are your overall thoughts on the luftwaffe in comparison to the allies?
Much like the rest of the German military it had some outstanding aircraft–especially fighters like the Me 109 and the underappreciated Focke-Wulf 190, which was nicknamed the “Butcher Bird”–but it was badly lacking in sound bombers and transport aircraft. The primary strategic bombers for the Luftwaffe were the Heinkel 111 and the Dornier 17. Both had limited payloads, fuel capacity and did not have enough defensive armaments on them. They were just too small. The reason is that the Luftwaffe was designed as an extension of the offensive power of the Germany Army. But while the Luftwaffe excelled in tactical dive bombing, using the Junkers 87, they never produced a replacement aircraft and the 87 was horrible outdated by 1942 even. German industry simply could not support both the expansion in production AND research and development of new piston engined aircraft while simultaneously trying to build next generation planes like the Me 262. They had a limited capacity to begin with and then simply spread themselves too thin.
On the Allied side, you have some of the greatest planes of all types ever built. The P-51 Mustang, the Supermarine Spitfire, the P-47 Thunderbolt, the B-17 Flying Fortress, the B-24 Liberator and the Avro Lancaster were all exceptional planes; some of the best piston engined war planes ever designed and built. And this doesn’t even go into U.S. naval aircraft in the Pacific or any of the high quality later piston engined planes that were produced in lesser numbers and overshadowed by those mentioned above (the Hawker Tempest comes to mind as an excellent but largely forgotten late war British design).
January 14th, 2013 at 12:33 PM
Not the best match up as Saban ran him out of one league already. My dream scenario is that UGA beats Bama in the SEC title game next year and gets Ohio State for the championship. Reading UGA message boards would be fantastic leading up to that game. The Meyer fear mixed with Meyer hatred would be a perfect environment for hilarity to ensue.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:35 PM
ms621…i also feel like allied tactics (being more free flowing and less restrictive) helped them develop better techonology (in addition to germany’s rough go with materials and labor) and pilots. and the allies also got contributions from guys like the polish guys led by witold urbanowicz too.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:35 PM
Really glad the Germans didn’t care enough about the air force until it was too late. Really glad we had numbers, too, because the kill ratio for a german solider was higher than any other country. By a lot. Shit I think the Germans killed 10 Russians for every one of their losses. They were an outstanding fighting force.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:36 PM
Cameron Wake is pretty un-blockable.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:36 PM
lol…hey, at least urban won’t do stupid shit like brian kelly and not go no-huddle and let bama rotate their DL all fucking game.
/jesus christ brian kelly, worst non-camera-tower related decision youve ever made as ND coach
January 14th, 2013 at 12:37 PM
Definitely super-underrated.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:38 PM
That blew my mind. I would never let Saban substitute. Like…ever. He fucking hates not being able to dictate shit like that.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:39 PM
ms621…i also feel like allied tactics (being more free flowing and less restrictive) helped them develop better techonology (in addition to germany’s rough go with materials and labor) and pilots. and the allies also got contributions from guys like the polish guys led by witold urbanowicz too.
Another major problem that the Germans AND Japanese both caused for themselves was that they did not rotate their pilots out of combat, ever. The Allies kept their pilots, especially fighter pilots, in combat for a set number of missions before rotating them back to the States where they became trainers for the newly drafted pilots coming into the enlarged training programs. This was a highly effective means of preserving experience and know-how from combat and regenerating it to a new cohort of pilots. Germany and Japan kept their pilots deployed until they were injured or killed. This lead to some ridiculous victory totals, like Major Erich Hartmann, but also meant that they were severely short of experienced pilots later in the war.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:40 PM
and all the guys they rotate in the front 7 have plus size and plus speed. you gotta wear em out while you can…just so fucking stupid on ND’s part. a very tresselian move, it pains me to say.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:41 PM
I’d say calming down on the sideline was worse. I loved Angry Brian Kelly. Only Angry Will Muschamp is better. Saban calmed down too. Doc probably told him a stroke/coronary was impending
January 14th, 2013 at 12:42 PM
The more I think about the title game the more I laugh. Good god was ND so over-matched.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:43 PM
i mean, i kinda get where they were coming from tho. they wanted to win it quick and debilitate the allies…like you said, it all comes down to numbers and the germans couldnt really afford to keep their best pilots out of the skies.
hard to disagree with you on that tho…just a lack of foresight by the germany and japan, but kinda in line with the rest of their strategy.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:44 PM
Bo Pelini will always carry this title.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:44 PM
Big fan of the CFB conversation mixed with intern issues mixed with military strategy.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:44 PM
Yes. Bammer -9.5 was one of the easiest bets I’ve ever made. Had ‘em winning by three tds
January 14th, 2013 at 12:45 PM
dude, i know, i know…and i actually believed the talk coming from here that ND would keep it close. i feel like such an idiot. it was the first defensive play by bama where i realized ND had no shot…just the size and speed differential.
i thought it mightve been an OSU/miami type redux, but ND was way too small and slow for that to be an apt comparison once the game started. just ugly in about every way imagineable.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:47 PM
where the NFL post? Barnwell and the other Manning ballwashers continue to place the blame for that loss squarely on the defense. Curious to hear Lisk’s take.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:47 PM
No way. Muschamp dominates it.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:48 PM
Why anyone thought the ND oline stood a chance v Bama front 7 I’ll never know. ND needed to throw to win the game, but their qb is Golson
January 14th, 2013 at 12:48 PM
Bama-Oregon would have been glorious.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:50 PM
Can you sell a TD and get better odds? If you took Bama -16.5, what would the payout have been?
January 14th, 2013 at 12:50 PM
Manning was very unlucky, with the D choking it away and the PI turned pick six, but he had the chance to win the game in overtime and came up short
January 14th, 2013 at 12:51 PM
Barnwell and the other Manning ballwashers continue to place the blame for that loss squarely on the defense.
In fairness, Jones should never have caught that pass. Denvers two DBs on that play took HORRIBLE routes to get to where Flacco underthrew it.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:51 PM
My site (5dimes) does offer adjusted lines. I’m not sure how severely it can be adjusted, but I’d guess Bama -16.5 would’ve been +220ish
January 14th, 2013 at 12:52 PM
Would’ve been a whoopin’ IMO
January 14th, 2013 at 12:52 PM
Definitely should have been picked off. God that terrible defense.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:53 PM
I agree, but it wouldn’t have been as bad as the ND abortion. Oregon would have scored and put pressure on Bama.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:54 PM
i mean, i kinda get where they were coming from tho. they wanted to win it quick and debilitate the allies…like you said, it all comes down to numbers and the germans couldnt really afford to keep their best pilots out of the skies.
hard to disagree with you on that tho…just a lack of foresight by the germany and japan, but kinda in line with the rest of their strategy.
I’m not so sure about Germany, but I know that Japan’s strategy was to basically take as much territory and cause as much destruction in 6 months in order to try to force the Americans to accept the situation and sign a peace treaty. Yamamoto had studied in the U.S. when he was younger and was familiar with the country’s industrial capacity and potential to expand it. Days before the the attack on Pearl Harbor, which Yamamoto was deeply ambivalent about, he related to the Emperor that he while he would run wild with victories for 6 months, he ultimately had no confidence in a Japanese victory if the war persisted beyond that point. His words were prophetic almost to the day: the turning point of the war when Japan could no longer take the offensive with overwhelming firepower, was the Battle of Midway, June 6, 1842. Nearly 6 months to the day after Pearl Harbor.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:55 PM
Jim Bollman to Purdue.
/Snickers
//The laugh, not the candy
January 14th, 2013 at 12:56 PM
Underthrew it? It went 60 yards in the air. Moore misplayed that pass precisely becauase it went farther than he thought it would.
That was definitely a lucky play by the Ravens and totally on the defense. But Manning turned the ball over three GD times, including a pick six and a terrible INT in overtime. It directly led to 17 Ravens points. I don’t understand why that’s not discussed.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:57 PM
The two most pro-ready teams in the country getting it on.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:59 PM
I like how you glossed over the blatant PI on the pick six. Subtle. Not a Manning fan here, but be fair
January 14th, 2013 at 1:00 PM
Do you really not understand? I mean, it’s obvious. He’s a media darling. Everyone loves Manning. That’s why it’s not being discussed. Peter King did award him a GOAT of the week nod, though. So there’s that.
How is Oregon pro ready? I think those were the two best teams, but I’m not sure Oregon more pro ready than Stanford or Georgia.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:01 PM
It wasn’t PI at all. Simultaneous contact.
Mike Pereira @MikePereira
Absolutely not DPI. Bang bang play.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:02 PM
I changed Oregon to Stanford in my quote.
Stanford-Alabama would have been the best title game.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:04 PM
Underthrew it? It went 60 yards in the air. Moore misplayed that pass precisely becauase it went farther than he thought it would.
Jones had to stop, turn around and catch it. I don’t care that he threw it 60 yards in the air if he needed to actually throw it 62 yards in the air. It was a badly thrown pass and Jones was lucky that the two defenders put themselves horribly out of position.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:04 PM
ATM-Bama would’ve been the best title game. Just ignore the reg season and take two teams from the same conference
/2012 national title’d
January 14th, 2013 at 1:10 PM
BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!
January 14th, 2013 at 1:12 PM
As long as Les Miles is not going up against Satan, I’m all in for this.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:16 PM
He stopped because it was a teardrop. Flacco threw it so it would drop straight down. Moore didn’t recognize that, either.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:18 PM
He stopped because it was a teardrop. Flacco threw it so it would drop straight down. Moore didn’t recognize that, either.
We agree that it was defended very poorly. But you seem to take that as some sort of indication that it was a well thrown pass where it actually only indicates that it was an underthrown pass that was defended poorly. If the safety takes a better route to the area that pass is either batted away or intercepted and Manning is going back to the AFC title game.