Cleveland Browns Hire Rob Chudzinski, Which Should Lead to a Norv Turner-Brandon Weeden Combination
Cleveland totally did not want Chip Kelly. They were just camping out in Arizona last week for concert tickets. No, they got the guy they were targeting all along in Carolina offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski (presumably because in a visor he looks kind of like Chip Kelly). It’s a new era in Cleveland, with new ownership.
So Rob Chudzinski, who was the offensive coordinator for the golden era of the current Browns franchise (2007, when Derek Anderson threw 29 touchdowns and the team was 8th in points scored), returns to Cleveland. He will reportedly bring Norv Turner with him as offensive coordinator. Chudzinski was in San Diego with both Turner and Ron Rivera. Hey, why wouldn’t you want to stay together?
Chudzinski was a potential candidate last year after Cam Newton’s rookie year. He had been completely of the radar this offseason. One thing this move does likely mean is that Brandon Weeden gets another year at age 30. Weeden would have been an unusual fit for Chip Kelly, and the Browns would have been likely pursuing other quarterback options. Weeden’s skill set (decent arm, good release, pocket passer) would appear to be a much better fit for the vertical passing attack favored by Chudzinski/Turner.
Of course, what do we make of Brandon Weeden after one year? I wasn’t crazy about the move given his age, though if he works out as a starter, he comes cheaply and controlled through a QB’s prime years. I’m not sure we can really compare him to other rookies or other 29 year olds. His first year was one of the worst for starting quarterbacks at age 29; he fares a little better compared to rookies who started at least 12 games. Of course, Chris Weinke, the only other 29 year old rookie, put up similar numbers to Weeden. Cleveland still doesn’t know what they have. You can argue that his receivers didn’t help him much during key moments, and Richardson was playing hurt most of the year. He will now be on his second offensive coordinator, and will be thirty years old.
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January 11th, 2013 at 11:43 AM
im not refuting the stats…id just like to know how much you actually watched him play. he was a lot better than his stats would indicate, and there was enough there to warrant giving him another shot.
and your spreadsheet probably doesnt have shit included like “OL not being coached to do something every single WCO offense ever has done (i.e. cut block on short slants)” and “have the dumbest OC in the NFL calling plays for him.”
January 11th, 2013 at 11:43 AM
I’m sorry for you Scripty and Spence. I’m also not 100% convinced that the Chargers fired Norv.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:45 AM
C.H.U.D. He will lurk beneath your field, devouring all defenses.
BTW, this made me laugh.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:45 AM
I can’t wait to see Cam Newton have to learn another system, because Cam Newton having to learn anything is pure gold.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:46 AM
Marty Mornhinweg 2.0
January 11th, 2013 at 11:47 AM
He has at least one laptop he can study with.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:47 AM
Did the owner or GM say things like this? I was expecting some incriminating quotes after such a snarky lede.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:47 AM
His situation is unique, obv.
Also, from this past season, Cleve 7, SD 6. Of course I’m rooting for Norval to do well post-Chargers. Howeva, he has had play-calling moments that make you go “hmmm”.
Remember Sproles up the middle against Ray Lewis, late-game, 4th-and-1 (IIRC)?
January 11th, 2013 at 11:48 AM
i’ll never forget it…my favorite ray lewis play ever. he knew what the play was a good half second before the ball was even snapped and was already thru the hole. fucking AMAZING.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:50 AM
nope, it was actually quite clear they really really wanted Kelly. What they actually said was that the browns moved on because the were not sure chip was 100% into leaving Oregon for the NFL.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:50 AM
that’s not the face of a leader. that’s the face of an epicure
January 11th, 2013 at 11:50 AM
At least he isn’t Ron Rivera, I guess.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:50 AM
Classic BCS.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:52 AM
Trade Weeden for Tebow
I would rather have Tebow than old man who loses to Iowa State
January 11th, 2013 at 11:52 AM
Browns win more games than the Jets next year.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:52 AM
Woo hoo!
/lights “New Era in Cleveland” candles
//rings church bells
///farts
January 11th, 2013 at 11:53 AM
boy, that’s one of the dumbest things ive ever seen said round these hyah parts. i suggest you shut the fuck up and go elsewhere.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:54 AM
sorry, that came off mean. meant to be said in jest.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:55 AM
Damn straight. Weeden is going for 3,500 next year. TR3 is going for 1,300 and 12 TDs and CLE wins 10 games. ALL FUCKING IN.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:56 AM
Weeden’s missed tackles against Iowa State were the deathblow.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:57 AM
im not refuting the stats…id just like to know how much you actually watched him play. he was a lot better than his stats would indicate, and there was enough there to warrant giving him another shot.
Not as much as you, I’m sure. Baltimore game, Kansas City game, Pittsburgh game. Parts of games that were competitive. I do remember plenty of key drops on nice throws, so I have no doubt part of that is true. The thing we don’t know, but can assume, is that other quarterbacks with bad numbers didn’t have the best receiving help either, then we can try to adjust.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:57 AM
Browns win more games than the Jets next year.
the limb! it’s breaking!
January 11th, 2013 at 11:58 AM
Has Sam always written for Deadspin?
January 11th, 2013 at 11:59 AM
He looks like a Chudzinski. I’m familiar with “zinski’s”
/Knew a “zinski”
//his nickname was Polack
///He didn’t mind
January 11th, 2013 at 11:59 AM
I think Cleveland improves as well. Like these moves. Weeden def deserves at least another year. I have Greg Little on my fantasy team, so naturally I am rooting for the above to work out well. the pieces seem to be in place though. GO BROWNS!
January 11th, 2013 at 12:00 PM
TRich + Norv + OL = success. Like 1400+ yards, 14+ TDs success.
Spence/other Browns fans, how was Weeden in play-action?
Moving to a 3-4 tho…
January 11th, 2013 at 12:00 PM
Chud is an Ohio guy and knows the culture of the fanbase, etc. That will help. Their offense is perfect to adapt to the strengths of the current offensive talent (still needs another quality TE/WR and a pulling guard). Chip Kelly, who probably would have adapted to an Ok.State zone-read derivative (that Weeden used) would also been a decent hire provided he could field quality assistants.
Judging the hire now is premature. We need to see who the def. coordinator will be. Word is Mel Tucker who also wants a 3-4. That would blow. None of the current front would be appropriate, except perhaps Rubin as a 3-4 end.
As for Lisk trying to be catty about Kelly, that’s beneath him and poorly executed but I guess he feels an Cleveand-Ohio post has to be demeaning in a few sentences. Good luck with your Chiefs.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:01 PM
new era. new owner. new coach. same old Browns.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:01 PM
I think Norv will be pretty good with him, they have some weapons. Rivers regressed a lot, but also coincided with taking away his leading rusher or WR every year.
/always uses WR because can’t spell receiver
January 11th, 2013 at 12:02 PM
weeden was at his best in play-action, where he could sling it with a minimal read and the defense reacted to t-rich.
agreed on the 3-4…do not want. browns D is solid, not great, but solid. a transition sets that back again.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:02 PM
I think the word you are looking for is bloviated
/not sure what that means
January 11th, 2013 at 12:03 PM
Imagine if they had drafted RG3 and interviewed Chip Kelly…
January 11th, 2013 at 12:03 PM
disagree completely…phil taylor and frostee rucker would both fit in perfectly for a 3-4. billy winn would be a good 3-4 DE and i think it fits hughes better than the current scheme.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:04 PM
Anyone seen Fun in concert? Any good?
January 11th, 2013 at 12:04 PM
I could see Chiefs and Browns both winning a division in the next two years, as crazy as that sounds. I like the talent on both teams much better than their results. If they get the right coaching staff in their (and a half-competent QB in KC) they could pick up pretty quick.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:04 PM
El Motto del Clevelanders
January 11th, 2013 at 12:04 PM
we wouldnt have richardson, mitchell schwartz, probably not josh gordon and our first round picks the next two years.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:04 PM
Deadspin let Eifling write a lot of words for them.
http://deadspin.com/5975168/the-definitive-list-of-actual-no+bullshit-college-football-national-champions-or-why-alabama-is-a-liar
January 11th, 2013 at 12:04 PM
I would rather have Tebow than old man who loses to Iowa State
Weeden’s missed tackles against Iowa State were the deathblow.
You can thank Iowa State for blowing up the BCS.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:05 PM
Anyone seen Fun in concert? Any good? Huskerdawg
What are things I never thought I’d see HuskerDawg type for a thousand, Alex?
January 11th, 2013 at 12:05 PM
Not sure about the Chiefs but I can definitely see it with the Browns. Steelers and Ravens are going off a cliff pretty soon.
Should be the worst division in football within two years.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:06 PM
Drunk?
Bullet dodged as far as I’m concerned. Don’t know much about this Polack’s head coaching chops, but love the Norv hire
January 11th, 2013 at 12:07 PM
got em right where we want em!
January 11th, 2013 at 12:07 PM
If I could get good enough odds, I’d bet on an 8-8 four-way tie in the division next year. With the right injuries/improvements, it seems possible.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:07 PM
or RG III
/ACL’d
January 11th, 2013 at 12:08 PM
Billy Winn is a lightweight in terms of DE and would get fucking tossed around with 3-4 assignmentes in my opinion. Hughes would be a good backup. Taylor has not run a 3-4 and negates his actual ability to be disruptive. I guess, yeah, you can tell him to be a fat fuck and just clog lanes but then you are devaluing a first round pick. Dqwell Jackson was pedestrian in the 3-4. We’d need another interior guy. Neither current OLB has any pash rushing value. Fuck all that.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:08 PM
Home: Baltimore, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Miami, Chicago, Detroit,
Jacksonville
Away: Baltimore, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, New England, N.Y. Jets, Green Bay,
Minnesota, Kansas City
6 wins.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:08 PM
But you’d have the perfect QB for the Great Kelly Experiment. Don’t lie. You would have loved to see that play out.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:08 PM
Trolling the Ohio people/fans makes the workday so much better
January 11th, 2013 at 12:08 PM
LOVE that first name
January 11th, 2013 at 12:08 PM
And if Peyton injures his neck again, a four-way 6-10 tie is possible in the West.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:09 PM
I think Eifling did a good summary piece for deadspin on the Steubenville Rape Case too. I was suprised when I saw who wrote it.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:09 PM
Totally disagree with this
/team Flacco
January 11th, 2013 at 12:09 PM
it’s like me playing golf with people who have a significantly lower handicap than i do. i bring them down to my mediocrity.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:10 PM
Trolling the Ohio people/fans makes the workday so much better
Fuck yourself and die.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:10 PM
I think every one of those games is winnable for CLE. I could see 4-4 at home. Maybe 5-3. Road slate is rough though.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:10 PM
All of which is > RGIII, especially now.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:11 PM
Flacco to Arizona. Where he can finally fulfil his destiny of Larry making him look like a good QB, only 10 years later.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:11 PM
Why the fuck does it matter that he is an Ohio native? Literally has no impact on his ability to run an nfl team, and I wish people would stop using this as a positive.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:12 PM
Eh, an effective nose is pretty worthy of a first rd pick IMO
January 11th, 2013 at 12:12 PM
i seriously do not get this. what in his skill set is not useable in EITHER type of defense? you put him at strongside DE in a 3-4 and he’s perfect since he’s big enough to hold the point and fast enough to split G/T’s. im not being an asshole or amking this a dick measuring contest, but that’s just wrong man.
the ONE guy who’d get really hurt by a 3-4 is sheard, who i dont think can play OLB.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:13 PM
Pre ACL injury this would be an insane comment. For the umpteenth time: You must get a QB. Everything else falls into place after that (or can fall into place).
January 11th, 2013 at 12:14 PM
Flacco is the dude who would probably be most aided by Norv
January 11th, 2013 at 12:15 PM
and that’s on the high end. I think range is 3-6. They have the possibility to win more games than the lions, who are looking at 1-4 wins.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:16 PM
Literally has no impact on his ability to run an nfl team
Go say “Steelers week is just another week” like Butch Davis and have your players say that and see how that goes across the fanbase. Then have Bill Cowher own your ass. Not good times. A coach has some value as a mouthpiece for the organization and undestanding the dynamics of the customer base helps. Doesn’t change an X and O but obviously motivation building support is helpful, no?
January 11th, 2013 at 12:16 PM
BUT HE GETS THE CULTURE!
January 11th, 2013 at 12:17 PM
Why not? Woodley’s done it. He’s not exactly great in space
January 11th, 2013 at 12:18 PM
Agreed that football fans are fucking idiots and when a coach says things that are true in the grand scheme of things it can ruin him.
Knowing the area or the culture doesn’t make him a better coach, it just means the theatrics and tribalism of the sport can continue unabated.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:18 PM
I never understood that until this very moment, after your umpteenth explanation.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:19 PM
The optimism Cleveland fans manage to muster up every off season is endearing. Or ridiculously stupid, your choice.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:19 PM
Scripty, I see your point. Rex Ryan this year will be evidence. Not sure that buffoon understands any culture, however
January 11th, 2013 at 12:20 PM
spencer, some assignments vary in various 3-4 systems. as a DT he is a legit pass disruptive rusher as well a run stopper. In some 3-4 the gap integrity requirements makes pass-rushing very secondary. Micheal Dean Perry going from a 4-3 DT that could get 7-9 sacks a year to a 3-4 NT that just became a blob and was uunderutilized.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:20 PM
i guess you do have a point…and just thinking back, sheard does have good instincts and burst. maybe it would work.
you know why it matters? because only a browns fan would want to become the coach of the browns. and even then, that rarely works.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:21 PM
Also your new owner used to own part of the Steelers so shouldn’t they have murdered him already if getting the culture is such a big deal?
January 11th, 2013 at 12:24 PM
first off, we dont even know who the DC is, so it’s kind of wild speculation.
but even then, regardless of what taylor is asked to do, he has the ability to do it at a very high level. he could play end in a ty warren mold or DT in a 3-4 like ratliff, and he has better size than either.
if anything, red bryant plays a lot of end for the seahawks and he’s DT sized and a similar style player to phil taylor.
i guess i just like to hope that whomever comes in as DC would see a giant freak athlete 330 lb dude and not turn him into plug.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:24 PM
Haven’t seen a ton of Taylor, but plenty of dominant DLs have spent a lot of their career at 3-4 nose. Why couldn’t he do it? A quality 3-4 nose can be one of the most impactful positions in the game
January 11th, 2013 at 12:24 PM
we tried really, really hard and failed miserably…browns culture, yo.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:25 PM
Ha no man he got Lerner out of town. That alone makes him a hero.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:27 PM
there’s really no reason he couldnt do it. phil taylor is one of the more phsyically gifted and scheme versatile DT’s i can remember…if he stayed healthier and played for a good team, he’d be really well known.
but scripty’s got a point. shaun rogers was the same way, but he’d destroy the middle of the OL and the browns would get eaten alive by screens all day.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:28 PM
I the proper system maximizes his talent at DT, fine. If you’re just making him a Siragusa run containment guy, that’s devaluing him. He could do it, do it well, just not using your players in the best fashion.
Sheard aint all that IMO.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:29 PM
i give him a lil benefit of the doubt…he’s surprisingly good against the run, but on passing downs, he’s the only guy worth doubling. give him a compliment on the other side as well as a healthy taylor, and it’s a different story.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:30 PM
Looking at Paulina Gretzky posts continually is going to ruin my marriage…
January 11th, 2013 at 12:31 PM
Sheard was significantly better the second half of the year when Taylor was back. I do have doubts about his ability to play is space though.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:32 PM
Not surprising: Fluker, Milliner and Lacy are going pro.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:33 PM
he’s surprisingly good against the run
His rookie year he was the 31st ranked RDE against the run. I have not seen the advanced metrics for 2012 yet I dont think they are out.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:38 PM
If Sheard can become average against the run, the rest of the D-Line with Taylor, Rubin and Rucker are all in the top percentages against their peer groups against the run. I like he disrupts passes, blocks some etc. I don’t see him as a pro-bowler type though.
January 11th, 2013 at 7:32 PM
sheard is average against the run…he’s on the strongside and gets doubled. stats don’t tell the story…he crashes down the line a lot like harrison, he’s really effective chasing plays down from behind. and like bigtuna said, he was a lot better with a healthy phil taylor on the line.
id agree that i don’t see him as a pro-bowler. a solid starter though, definitely, esp if they get someone to put on the other side of him.