Comments on: Jill Painter of the LA Daily News Gave a Hall of Fame Vote to Shawn Green (and Bernie Williams and Kenny Lofton, Too)

By: agoodfella

agoodfella — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:45:43 +0000

Pete Rose is still not in the Hall. It’s a bunch of BS.

By: otis sistrunk

otis sistrunk — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 02:36:17 +0000

Kelly can bring te’o

By: The Wayne Fontes Safari

The Wayne Fontes Safari — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 02:27:00 +0000

Their wind practice policy is a very touchy negotiating point.

I’m guessing the Philly police are a bit tougher on player rape than the South Bend police as well.

By: scripty

scripty — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 02:06:39 +0000

Brian Kelly apparently interviewed with the Eagles. “Mutual interest.”

Their wind practice policy is a very touchy negotiating point.

By: sctrojans

sctrojans — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 02:01:41 +0000

Brian Kelly apparently interviewed with the Eagles. “Mutual interest.”

It’d be nice to see ND return to irrelevance. Already worn out their welcome.

Carmelo suspended.

Robert Sacre is so far out of his depth it’s cringe inducing. He struggles to catch the ball.

By: The Wayne Fontes Safari

The Wayne Fontes Safari — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:54:49 +0000

Brian Kelly apparently interviewed with the Eagles. “Mutual interest.”

By: scripty

scripty — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:46:30 +0000

thanks for the scoop on that war info.

Lofton was forced to play next to Manny Ramirez in the outfield for like 6 years though, which is enough to kill a lesser man.

By: vajayjay redick

vajayjay redick — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:44:59 +0000

I’d have to say Bernie > Mattingly, though Mattingly had a higher peak.

Bernie may have been overrated defensively but he was underrated offensively. Kinda like Jeter.

By: vajayjay redick

vajayjay redick — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:41:16 +0000

? for you – on the baseball reference site – if you add Lofton’s oWar and dWar – they are greater than his normal WAR. You know why that is?

OWAR and DWAR both take positional adjustments into account. By just adding them you’re double-counting the positional adjustment. If the position is positive (C, SS, 2B, CF), the OWAR+DWAR > WAR. If the position is negative (LF, 1B, DH) the OWAR+DWAR < WAR.

By: starkweather

starkweather — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:40:39 +0000

It’s a dumb ballot but not the dumbest. I would guess, TBL, that she has a vote because she’s a BBWAA member. She does actually write about baseball, at least.

By: scripty

scripty — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:08:59 +0000

My bad on Beltre, I cant recall – perhaps that was meant to be Beltran. Sorry I am too lazy to go back.

By: herdatious

herdatious — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:03:55 +0000

Ugh. Mobile posting is a disaster.

By: herdatious

herdatious — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:02:38 +0000

Its silly the national media thinks baseball writers ate taking a stand on steroids. We all know these make some point every year. They need a cause of any sort to be old mam crazy. Just watched Kirkjan on ABC news talking some dumbass about the writers making a statement.

By: knifeyspoony

knifeyspoony — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 23:54:26 +0000

Here’s your top 4 defensive outfielders of the last 50 years as far as I can tell: Andru Jones, Devon White, Adrian Beltre, Kenny Lofton.

???

By: LftKickCEMETERY

LftKickCEMETERY — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 23:48:12 +0000

Kenny Lofton was absolute $$$ in Backyard Baseball, so that’s good enough for me.

By: Coolbreezemtl

Coolbreezemtl — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 23:44:00 +0000

Love me some Kenny Lofton!

By: ms621

ms621 — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 23:43:45 +0000

? for you – on the baseball reference site – if you add Lofton’s oWar and dWar – they are greater than his normal WAR. You know why that is?

I don’t actually. My presumption would be that those are adjusted stats rather than aggregate ones. But WWoS or SC may know.

By: scripty

scripty — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 23:36:37 +0000

That dWar is intriguing. Here’s your top 4 defensive outfielders of the last 50 years as far as I can tell: Andru Jones, Devon White, Adrian Beltre, Kenny Lofton. Ken Griffey Jr. wasn’t even in the top 750 alltime by dWar though. Hmm.

By: scripty

scripty — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 23:29:13 +0000

yeah initially I was trying to comment on the hilarity of thinking a vote for Kenny Lofton was absurd.

? for you – on the baseball reference site – if you add Lofton’s oWar and dWar – they are greater than his normal WAR. You know why that is?

By: ms621

ms621 — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 23:22:23 +0000

scripty, that is correct. WAR is a decent though not perfect way to determine player worth and assess candidacy for the Hall. Popularity contests like the All Star Game and the Gold Glove are not. Which was the point of my original comment.