Jill Painter of the LA Daily News Gave a Hall of Fame Vote to Shawn Green (and Bernie Williams and Kenny Lofton, Too)

All, Baseball, Hall of Fame, Media Gossip/Musings Jason McIntyre January 9th. 2013, 5:29pm

Jill Painter of the Los Angeles Daily News has perhaps the wackiest Hall of Fame ballot we’ve ever seen:

Kenny Lofton
Bernie Williams
Shawn Green

This should go over really well. Would she have been better off simply not voting, like Howard Bryant? She actually tweeted that Green “did a lot for the Jewish community.” Oh.

Chris Russo kick-started things with this tweet:

You see this ballot? @jillpainter needs her vote taken away. Biggio, Green, Lofton, Martinez, Mattingly, Williams. That’s incompetence.
— Chris Mad Dog Russo (@MadDogUnleashed) January 9, 2013

On the bright side, at least Jill didn’t vote for Aaron Sele. [WEEI H/T @Jimmy Traina]

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42 Responses to “Jill Painter of the LA Daily News Gave a Hall of Fame Vote to Shawn Green (and Bernie Williams and Kenny Lofton, Too)”

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jdeeser5 Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 5:34 PM
What about the jackass who voted for Aaron Sele and the 5 who turned in their ballots blank. Nice, lets make our name be part of the process by making an idiotic vote or instead of declining to vote this year, lets send in a blank ballot so everyone knows what an ass I am.
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ms621 Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 5:35 PM
Voting for Biggio is not a sign of incompetence. The rest? Yeah pretty much.
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Jason Lisk Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 5:36 PM
I have less of a problem with this than voting only for Jack Morris and no one else, or voting a blank form. I’m not even passionate about Morris not being in, but if your standard is that Morris and only Morris was the option here, that’s an issue on your competence.
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scripty Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 5:36 PM
Kenny Lofton had 7 all-star quality seasons with 4 gold gloves from 1993-1999 and was the arguably the best leadoff man of the 90′s and the catalyst of the best offensive team in baseball for the 90′s.
He is way better candidate than Donnie Baseball and a fuckload of the guys that got more votes than him.
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gfunk supreme Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 5:37 PM
the only person on that list who is completely indefensible is Green right? I guess Mattingly too.
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pancakes188 Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 5:39 PM
The Shawn Green vote is pretty bad. It’s tough to make a case for Mattingly or Bernie, but they are there.
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RexKramerDangerSeeker Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 5:41 PM
This guy was as consistent as they come, did ton for the Jewish community, didn’t do steriods. I understand why many dont agree
Yet she left Dale Murphy off her ballot?
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arkbadger Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 5:44 PM
Woody Williams not garnering a single vote is the biggest travesty of this years HOF selections
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ButtersBC Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 5:44 PM
Kenny Lofton had 7 all-star quality seasons with 4 gold gloves from 1993-1999 and was the arguably the best leadoff man of the 90′s and the catalyst of the best offensive team in baseball for the 90′s.
He is way better candidate than Donnie Baseball and a fuckload of the guys that got more votes than him.
Was just gonna say, Posnanski (who regardless of the Paterno book I still consider to know his shit about baseball) had him and Biggio on the ballot…not exactly dumb there
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ms621 Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 5:50 PM
Woody Williams not garnering a single vote is the biggest travesty of this years HOF selections
Not a bad pitcher in his prime. Unfortunately for me none of that prime took place in an Astros uniform.
/fuck you Tim Purpura
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Gritty Hombres Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 5:52 PM
Dale didn’t do much for the Jewish community though.
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Jason McIntyre Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 5:54 PM
LOL @ Gritty Hombres
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VladimirCrouton Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 5:56 PM
Kenny Lofton had 7 all-star quality seasons with 4 gold gloves from 1993-1999 and was the arguably the best leadoff man of the 90′s and the catalyst of the best offensive team in baseball for the 90′s.
Legend.
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ms621 Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 5:57 PM
Kenny Lofton had 7 all-star quality seasons with 4 gold gloves from 1993-1999
It’s a shame that those have become shitty metrics to judge someone by.
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scripty Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 5:59 PM
Kenny Lofton had to cover up all the poor angles taken by the young Manny Ramirez in the outfield for about 5 seasons. This took a decade off of his life presumably.
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scripty Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 6:00 PM
What grain of sand is hurting you the most there ms?
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knifeyspoony Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 6:00 PM
Kenny Lofton
Bernie Williams
Shawn Green
for what it’s worth (which is next to nothing), this would have been an awesome fantasy baseball outfield in like 1999.
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RexKramerDangerSeeker Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 6:00 PM
Kenny Lofton is in this Hall of Fame.
/points at my heart
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ms621 Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 6:03 PM
What grain of sand is hurting you the most there ms?
?
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Curtis the Close talker Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 6:03 PM
Bernie Baseball was a once-in-a-generation talent. It’s a travesty that he didn’t get in.
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ms621 Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 6:03 PM
for what it’s worth (which is next to nothing), this would have been an awesome fantasy baseball outfield in like 1999.
Yes, yes it would.
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scripty Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 6:16 PM
I am not the sabremetrics guy but I looked at all time WAR. Lofton is above a pretty damn high on there. Above plenty of HOFs.
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ms621 Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 6:22 PM
scripty, that is correct. WAR is a decent though not perfect way to determine player worth and assess candidacy for the Hall. Popularity contests like the All Star Game and the Gold Glove are not. Which was the point of my original comment.
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scripty Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 6:29 PM
yeah initially I was trying to comment on the hilarity of thinking a vote for Kenny Lofton was absurd.
? for you – on the baseball reference site – if you add Lofton’s oWar and dWar – they are greater than his normal WAR. You know why that is?
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scripty Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 6:36 PM
That dWar is intriguing. Here’s your top 4 defensive outfielders of the last 50 years as far as I can tell: Andru Jones, Devon White, Adrian Beltre, Kenny Lofton. Ken Griffey Jr. wasn’t even in the top 750 alltime by dWar though. Hmm.
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ms621 Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 6:43 PM
? for you – on the baseball reference site – if you add Lofton’s oWar and dWar – they are greater than his normal WAR. You know why that is?
I don’t actually. My presumption would be that those are adjusted stats rather than aggregate ones. But WWoS or SC may know.
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Coolbreezemtl Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 6:44 PM
Love me some Kenny Lofton!
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LftKickCEMETERY Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 6:48 PM
Kenny Lofton was absolute $$$ in Backyard Baseball, so that’s good enough for me.
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knifeyspoony Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 6:54 PM
Here’s your top 4 defensive outfielders of the last 50 years as far as I can tell: Andru Jones, Devon White, Adrian Beltre, Kenny Lofton.
???
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herdatious Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 7:02 PM
Its silly the national media thinks baseball writers ate taking a stand on steroids. We all know these make some point every year. They need a cause of any sort to be old mam crazy. Just watched Kirkjan on ABC news talking some dumbass about the writers making a statement.
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herdatious Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 7:03 PM
Ugh. Mobile posting is a disaster.
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scripty Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 7:08 PM
My bad on Beltre, I cant recall – perhaps that was meant to be Beltran. Sorry I am too lazy to go back.
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starkweather Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 7:40 PM
It’s a dumb ballot but not the dumbest. I would guess, TBL, that she has a vote because she’s a BBWAA member. She does actually write about baseball, at least.
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vajayjay redick Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 8:41 PM
? for you – on the baseball reference site – if you add Lofton’s oWar and dWar – they are greater than his normal WAR. You know why that is?
OWAR and DWAR both take positional adjustments into account. By just adding them you’re double-counting the positional adjustment. If the position is positive (C, SS, 2B, CF), the OWAR+DWAR > WAR. If the position is negative (LF, 1B, DH) the OWAR+DWAR < WAR.
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vajayjay redick Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 8:44 PM
I’d have to say Bernie > Mattingly, though Mattingly had a higher peak.
Bernie may have been overrated defensively but he was underrated offensively. Kinda like Jeter.
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scripty Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 8:46 PM
thanks for the scoop on that war info.
Lofton was forced to play next to Manny Ramirez in the outfield for like 6 years though, which is enough to kill a lesser man.
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The Wayne Fontes Safari Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 8:54 PM
Brian Kelly apparently interviewed with the Eagles. “Mutual interest.”
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sctrojans Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 9:01 PM
Brian Kelly apparently interviewed with the Eagles. “Mutual interest.”
It’d be nice to see ND return to irrelevance. Already worn out their welcome.
Carmelo suspended.
Robert Sacre is so far out of his depth it’s cringe inducing. He struggles to catch the ball.
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scripty Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 9:06 PM
Brian Kelly apparently interviewed with the Eagles. “Mutual interest.”

Their wind practice policy is a very touchy negotiating point.
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The Wayne Fontes Safari Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 9:27 PM
Their wind practice policy is a very touchy negotiating point.
I’m guessing the Philly police are a bit tougher on player rape than the South Bend police as well.
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otis sistrunk Says:
January 9th, 2013 at 9:36 PM
Kelly can bring te’o
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agoodfella Says:
January 10th, 2013 at 1:45 AM
Pete Rose is still not in the Hall. It’s a bunch of BS.