A Candid Chat with Former Jets Coach Herman Edwards About the Woody Johnson, Mike Tannenbaum, Rex Ryan Triumvirate
Two years ago this week, the Jets were relishing one of their best victories of the 2010 season: a 22-17 victory over Pittsburgh on the road, a triumph that assured them a second straight trip to the postseason. Brad Smith ran the opening kickoff back for a touchdown, the Jets offense didn’t turn the ball over, and the defense sacked Ben Roethlisberger three times. The Jets would go on to reach the AFC title game, losing to the Steelers.
The Rex Ryan-Mark Sanchez duo was in its infancy, but the combo had the feel of a early dynasty: Ryan, the bombastic, defensive-minded coach, and Sanchez, the cool California kid who, when he wasn’t turning the ball over, was a pretty damn good QB who helped lead the Jets to four road playoff wins in his first two seasons.
Fast forward to this week: Ryan stands at the podium looking like a defeated man in front of the rabid press, who smell blood in the water; Sanchez is coming off a second straight choke-job in late December, this one a hideous five-turnover performance on Monday Night Football against the Titans that knocked the Jets out of the playoff picture. He’s been benched, and reports are the team wants to try and trade him.
GM Mike Tannenbaum, who appeared to pull all the right strings in 2009 and 2010 building the franchise into a contender, only to completely botch the last two offseasons (see the bad 2011 moves here; the 2012 moves here), hasn’t been heard from for weeks. You won’t find a football writer in the country who thinks he’ll keep his job.
[In November, I wrote about five of the best candidates to replace Tannenbaum.]
Which leads me to the biggest question facing the Jets in 2013: The Tannenbaum/Ryan dynamic. I’ve spoken with a few football writers in recent weeks (and Greg Bedard of the Boston Globe even stopped by to chat about it). How can you fire the GM and keep the head coach? What GM is going to want to come in and not be able to pick his own coach? If you release one, must you release the other?
I thought I’d bounce the question off ESPN’s Herman Edwards, who coached the Jets from 2001-2005, going 39-41 but making three playoff trips and going 2-3 in the postseason. My first question to him: What was your situation like in 2001 when you came to New York?
“Terry Bradway was the GM,” Edwards recalled. “I was familiar with him, and worked with him in Kansas City. I knew a lot about him. I had five interviews lined up with the opportunity to be a head coach. The Jets were the 1st, and I never went to the other four. I felt comfortable with Terry.”
Edwards walked into something of a rebuilding situation in New York.
In 1998, Bill Parcells rode 35-year old QB Vinny Testaverde and the running of Curtis Martin to a 12-4 record and a trip to the AFC title game. They memorably led, 10-0 in the third quarter, before collapsing under a tsunami of turnovers and losing, 23-10. In the first game of the 1999 season, Testaverde ruptured his Achilles’ tendon against the Patriots and was lost for the year. New York limped to 8-8, but it was Parcells’ final year. Al Groh took over in 2000, the Jets went 9-7 and missed the playoffs, then left to coach the UVA Cavaliers.
Enter Edwards.
“In the offseason, when you are a head coach, the first thing you do is sit down with a GM and owner, you don’t know the contracts, or who you’re stuck with because of salary cap,” Edwards said. “You look at the age and a three year horizon and start to map out the direction you want to go, whether it is offensive lineman getting old, wide receivers, whatever. The key to it all is the team’s philosophy. All the good teams – the Steelers, Packers, Giants, Patriots, teams like that – have one. They know what they want to be, whether it is a passing team, running, defense, whatever. Right now, the Jets really don’t know what their philosophy is.”
I must have asked Edwards half a dozen times who got the final say on personnel decisions, and he was steadfast in his response: “You can’t get involved in egos about wanting a guy. It’s about the team. And the team’s philosophy.”
Therein lies the Jets’ main problem. What is the team philosophy? It appears to be: Play strong defense, run the football, and have the QB manage a good game. That formula worked in 2009 and 2010.
But if that’s the case, why did Mark Sanchez throw the ball 59 times last year against the Giants on Christmas Eve with the season hanging in the balance? If that’s the team philosophy, why was Sanchez throwing the ball so much Monday night – even after the three picks – including on 1st down with two minutes left from the Tennessee 20? If that’s the philosophy, why they let the offensive line deteriorate? Why did they let the linebackers age to the point that the defense is 29th against the run this year, when they were 8th and 3rd in 2009 and 2010, respectively? [Obviously, a season-ending injury to the best cornerback in football, Darrelle Revis, didn't help.]
The Jets right now, Edwards said, don’t know who they are or what they want to be.
“The Ravens are running into the same problem,” Edwards said. “The defense is getting old. They’ve had injuries. And instead of being a team with a tough defense and big running game, they’re now putting the ball in the hands of Joe Flacco.”
Without getting too off-track, the Ravens have gone from 9-2 to 9-5 this year, fired their offensive coordinator, and Flacco, at times, is Sanchez-like. (Of course they have significantly better offensive weapons in Rice, Boldin and Torrey Smith.)
I believe the Jets’ identity problem starts at the top, with bumbling owner Woody Johnson. He’s a businessman, not a football guy. He likes flashy things, like Brett Favre (result: failure, embarrassment), and Tim Tebow (failure, embarrassment) because he wants to sell tickets and be the more talked-about New York football team and make money. Frustratingly, he always keeps the Jets well under the salary cap. Jets fans have long-believed Johnson is cheap. I asked Edwards, if, during his time in New York, he found Woody Johnson frugal: “there’s a reason for that, it’s … he goes about his business.”
Back to the GM/coach dynamic. I asked Edwards about his biggest draft miss during his time with the Jets. Clearly, it was No. 4 pick DeWayne Robertson, a defensive tackle from Kentucky. Edwards got a tad defensive – pointing out his many draft hits – but eventually said, “He wasn’t a good player. He wasn’t the player we thought he’d be. He got hurt. We were trying to build a defense because the defense was old. We went from 3-4 to a 4-3. He was a three technique, and he was the best three technique coming out. A lot of people had that opinion. But he was immature, he got injured, and he got overweight.”
So who did that “miss” fall upon? Edwards or Bradway? Edwards refused to assign blame, sticking to the team/philosophy concept.
Edwards said there were no disagreements on Robertson in the war room, but I persisted – what about these Jets? Kyle Wilson, taken late in the 1st round, appears to be a bust, and while Wilkerson and Coples appear to be keepers, why aren’t the Jets looking to get offensive help for Sanchez in the first round in the same way the Falcons have upgraded their offense around 1st round pick Matt Ryan?
Since drafting Sanchez in 2009, the Jets have spent three picks in the first three rounds on offensive players. Shonn Greene in 2009 (3rd round, free agent this year and may not return), offensive lineman Vlad Ducasse in 2010 (can’t crack the starting lineup), Stephen Hill in 2012 (2nd round, has potential, but can’t stop dropping passes).
* Joe McKnight (4th round in 2010: at best, a kick return specialist, 5-carry a game back)
* Bilal Powell (4th round in 2011: has played OK at times this year, but doesn’t look like a No. 1 back)
* Jeremy Kerley (5th round in 2011: punt returner, solid slot receiver)
Said Edwards, who drafted Santana Moss in the 1st round in 2001 to help then-QB Chad Pennington: “when you have a QB, how are you going to surround the guy to have success. you give him guys where the pressure isn’t always on him to make a play. that hasn’t happened for Mark Sanchez. With the defense struggling, and the running game struggling, you don’t try to change course in the middle of the stream. Well now, the guy has no weapons.”
There are no quick fixes here for the Jets. [Good salary cap breakdown here.] Bringing in Mike Vick isn’t going to work. He’s been a turnover machine the last two years (when healthy). Might Alex Smith – who seemed to cure his turnover problems this year and last with the 49ers – be a better solution? The more I spoke to Edwards, the more it seemed like maybe Smith would make sense.
“Those teams we talked about earlier with the good philosophies, the ones who know what they want to be – Giants, Packers, Patriots teams like that – they keep their head coach for a long time,” Edwards said. “They don’t switch coaches every 2 1/2 years. Look at Ozzie Newsome with the Ravens. They know what their philosophy is, and get coaches and players to fit it. You don’t want an internal struggle. People were surprised when the Steelers hired Mike Tomlin. He fit. He was the perfect guy!”
So what’s the move – bring in Alex Smith, have the new GM focus on upgrading the OL and RBs this offseason, along with the linebackers and safeties? That’s at least a two-year project, unless they are able to hit 2-3 home runs in the draft and free agency.
“Woody Johnson needs to sit down with some GMs who have built something this offseason,” Edwards said. “The conversation he has to have is whether or not Tannenbaum is going to be GM. They need to settle on a philosophy, figure out what money they’re going to spend, and execute. I don’t think if you get rid of Tannenbaum, you need to get rid of Rex, too.”

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December 20th, 2012 at 3:52 PM
You play, to win, the game!
December 20th, 2012 at 3:54 PM
Edwards was just one of the worst coaches ever and an even worst talking head
December 20th, 2012 at 3:57 PM
looks like the drano didnt work.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:58 PM
1. Bring in Smith
2. Draft Eddie Lacy
2. Sure up the O line
December 20th, 2012 at 3:58 PM
whatever this guy was smoking a couple years ago, I would take some of it.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:59 PM
You all might want to be wary of the banhammer. Herm and Jason are friends.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:59 PM
can we get a post on baylor football from 1998-2002?
December 20th, 2012 at 3:59 PM
TBL – I appreciate the effort you put into writing this post – must have taken you a while to add all those links, tangents, etc. But seriously, the Jets are so boring right now – time to move on. At least until the off-season. Thanks
December 20th, 2012 at 4:00 PM
I disagree. Their identity is to make every game they’re involved in completely unwatchable. I think everyone knows this.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:00 PM
Obviously I didn’t read this whole thing…but seriously…you lose any credibility you have when you continue to say this:
He is who he always has been. Below average to poor.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:00 PM
Curious as to how many people read this entire post.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
If Sanchez was “pretty damn good”, does that make Ken O’Brien ELITE?
December 20th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
December 20th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
Ah fuck it
December 20th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
I would disagree.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
I blew it, gonna blame the snow day beer drinkin’
December 20th, 2012 at 4:02 PM
You play to pierce the egg!
-Sperm Edwards
December 20th, 2012 at 4:02 PM
Mike Tannenbaum has officially replaced Mike Golic as Fozzy Bear.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:03 PM
Jason, I didn’t have time to read through the Jets’ salary cap link. Do they have the money/space to bring in Alex Smith or would they be better off basically sticking with Sanchez or a castoff and essentially tanking next season?
December 20th, 2012 at 4:03 PM
Started reading with good intentions to finish it, but about 2-3 paragraphs in, I couldn’t take it anymore. Draining to read this crap. I can go to a Jets blog if I cared so much.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:03 PM
Man that was a long conversation. Only scheduled for 60 minutes, yet somehow Herm was taking his time with those last few questions like he had 65.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:03 PM
More than 5, less than 10.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:03 PM
Um, how about Robertson, since he sucked?
December 20th, 2012 at 4:03 PM
is it bad that i really, really want mike tanenebaum’s firing to be documented in a hard knocks-style hour long show? can we please make that happen?
December 20th, 2012 at 4:03 PM
Mike Golic
he looks like a fat lesbian.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:04 PM
The Jets are such a hot mess and what have you. Yet they have two more wins than the Lions.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:04 PM
Not sure if Sweetwater is up in your neck of the woods, but they have a winter seasonal beer that is pretty good.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:04 PM
A Candid Chat with Former Jets Coach Herman Edwards About the Woody Johnson
I laughed hard at this
December 20th, 2012 at 4:05 PM
I’m sure Herm is a very nice guy, and my criticisms of him are all football/tv-related, but I just always got the feeling he was yelling nonsense at me. It was like he was reading the Big Book of Cliches at a high school pep rally.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:05 PM
But his firing should only last 30 seconds, and Woody should never make eye contact. Lots of cliches too.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:05 PM
I can’t get past “A Candid Chat.”
December 20th, 2012 at 4:05 PM
Don’t want to sound creepy, but HuskerDawg – I’m actually glad to see you around here again. Welcome back.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:06 PM
Curious as to how many people read this entire post.Went right to the comments section as I don’t put any thought into what Herm has for insight into anything.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:07 PM
dude…you just made my day with that. i can’t remember who tanenbaum cut like that, but they should invite him back to do the firin’.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:07 PM
When Pete Carroll is saying that you shouldn’t enter the draft, that should be a huge red flag. Had Sanchez stayed at school for another year, maybe he would be better, but he clearly wasn’t ready yet.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:07 PM
I did. But I’m insanely bored.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:07 PM
I wish to have a candid chat with Alex Morgan’s rump
December 20th, 2012 at 4:07 PM
Agreed that Tanenbaum has mismanaged the roster, no doubt.
Whose call was it to bring in Tony Sparano? Is that Rex Ryan’s call or is that a Tanenbaum call? Because I didn’t think much of Brian Schottenheimer’s work and think even less of Tony Sparano.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:08 PM
From my perspective (someone who has probably seen 7 Jets games in the past 4 years) it seems to me that their talent isn’t very good. OL lost most of its talent, QB is just not very good, WRs are overrated, RBs are overrated and their defense aged its way out of elite status. The GM, to me, seems more at fault than Rex, though I think he’s terribly overrated as a head coach. If he weren’t such a good quote I doubt people would pay him any attention at all.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:09 PM
Slightly creepy, but not enough for me to be worried about. You happy with Gus on the Plains?
December 20th, 2012 at 4:09 PM
You actually have to win something to even start a dynasty.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:10 PM
You actually have to win something to even start a dynasty.
The Bills agree.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:10 PM
The Ravens obviously have issues, but honestly, they’re in a whole other boat. There’s actual pieces in Baltimore. The D is fading, but they’ve also been ravaged by injuries (losing Webb hurt the most).
I still think last year was the best shot, fucking Lee Evans…
December 20th, 2012 at 4:11 PM
Devil’s advocate: shouldn’t a top 5 drafted QB be good enough to elevate the talent around him? I’m not saying that excuses the total crap Sanchez has to throw to, but if you’re drafted 5th overall, in the prime of your career, sometimes you’re depended on to make chicken salad of out chicken shit.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:11 PM
agreed tanenbaum is more at fault, but disagree on rex. rex would be the best DC in the league if he were hired again in that capacity…but offense aint his gig. he hitched his aggressive, take no prisoners hellwagon to two ridiculously conservative OC’s and one confidence challenged and talent deprived QB.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:11 PM
This guy gets it.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:12 PM
I think this is the problem the hardcore Jets fans (TBL) have. They honestly bought into the media hype surrounding the Jets’ run to the AFC title game those two years. They ignored the 9-7 records and mediocre play and focused on the 2 playoff wins in each year. For someone to say the Jets had a dynasty feel after those two years and mean it is pretty remarkable.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:12 PM
That’s a banning, but I can’t disagree with this statement.
I’ll agree with Husker though – the overall talent on the team has aged and/or regressed and has not been replaced. The most talent positions on the team are C, CB and maybe LT. That’s it. Everything else is either (in baseball stats terms), replacement level or below.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:14 PM
This is why I said as a head coach. Some people (let’s call them Norv Turners) are just not head coach material. They might be exceptional coordinators, but as head coaches they’re simply not the same.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:14 PM
This is why I said as a head coach. Some people (let’s call them Norv Turners) are just not head coach material. They might be exceptional coordinators, but as head coaches they’re simply not the same.
Wade Phillips.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:15 PM
Keller, when healthy, is probably above replacement level, no?
In light of the talent, hasn’t Rex done a great job, then?
December 20th, 2012 at 4:15 PM
He’s not that good. They reached to get him. When a kid’s college coach publicly (with the kid sitting next to him) says he’s not ready for the NFL, that should send red flags up everywhere. Instead, the Jets TRADED UP for him. That is some epic hubris.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:16 PM
i think he’d be a very good to great head coach with an offensive coordinator that fit his philosophy and he trusted. he’s not a meddler, is great with the media, a great motivator…he just needs a competent QB and OC.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:16 PM
Wade Phillips is a perfect example of the great coordinator, terrible coach theory. The fact that he still gets mentioned for head NFL jobs is amazing to me.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:19 PM
i mean, he WAS working for jerry jones, after all. that’s a horrible handicap to have.
YEEEHAW, AH HAVE NO IDEA WUT THE HIELL AHM DOIN, BUT IMMA PICK THE ROSTER FOR YA, THUNDERTHIGHS.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:19 PM
He’s not that good. They reached to get him. When a kid’s college coach publicly (with the kid sitting next to him) says he’s not ready for the NFL, that should send red flags up everywhere. Instead, the Jets TRADED UP for him. That is some epic hubris. Husker
I remember that. Amazing. Had to get out before his penchant for underage jersey chase poontang caught up with him again. Jersey chasers have nothing on NFL groupies. He knew what he was doing. He sold high.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:19 PM
I know it’s in style to rip on Rex and he’s earned it this year, but come on. He totally outcoached Belichick in a playoff game on the road. It wasn’t that long ago. He’s absolutely HC material.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:20 PM
but the combo had the feel of a early dynasty
linda evans could play qb better than chalupa-chez.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:20 PM
This is why I said as a head coach. Some people (let’s call them Norv Turners) are just not head coach material. They might be exceptional coordinators, but as head coaches they’re simply not the same.
Wade Phillips.
Gunther Cunningham.
/runs from Vlad.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:21 PM
You happy with Gus on the Plains?
Yeah. I don’t get too caught up in it all lately. When you have a MS kid playing ball, all else is secondary.
I’m more happy about Ellis Johnson being there.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:22 PM
the jets do have great uniforms, so tannerbam can start with that.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:23 PM
I had never seen that before. Ever. How that didn’t scare away every NFL team is a amazing to me. I always feel a little bad for players like Sanchez. It’s not his fault the Jets fucked themselves by taking him too high. What is he supposed to say, “no thanks guys. I need a year or two on the bench to learn. Hit me up in round 3?” Of course the money and poon the Mexigod is swimming in makes up for the on-field issues though.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:23 PM
I would put Norm in there too. Very good OC, fucking brutal coach. Same with Romeo
December 20th, 2012 at 4:24 PM
That was a great hire, but I have a theory that teams with that kind of offense will never field elite defenses. They just need to field good enough defenses like AUB did with Cam.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:25 PM
can we think of some other good coordinators/bad head coaches other than norm and wade phillips please? especially when the patron saint is dick lebeau.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:26 PM
Ellis Johnson, college edition.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:26 PM
Of course the money and poon the Mexigod is swimming in makes up for the on-field issues though.
I’d switch places with him. I’d let 80,000 people boo me 16 times a year to get with Kate Upton.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:26 PM
They just need to field good enough defenses like AUB did with Cam.
Won’t disagree. I’m just happy the porn-star DC is gone.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:27 PM
can we think of some other good coordinators/bad head coaches other than norm and wade phillips please? especially when the patron saint is dick lebeau.
Dave Campo.
/google what Dave is up to now if you don’t know.
//Oh, how he has fallen.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:27 PM
Might be unfair since his two HC gigs were expansion teams but Dom Capers
December 20th, 2012 at 4:28 PM
Dom Capers? Ray Rhodes? Richie Petitbon?
December 20th, 2012 at 4:28 PM
Jim Scwartz.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:28 PM
BVG was one of many coaches who left college before the spread offenses truly sank in. Going from the NFL where the same offense is run by 30/32 teams to facing three completely different offenses in three straight weeks is so tough.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:28 PM
Valid point.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:28 PM
i can never spell his last name right but marty morningwheg.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:29 PM
Jabari Parker to DUKE!!
December 20th, 2012 at 4:29 PM
I doubt anyone remembers Bill Arnsparger.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:29 PM
Won’t disagree. I’m just happy the porn-star DC is gone.
Mizzou fans are happy their meth head porn star OC is gone.
http://www.komu.com/news/david-yost-resigns-from-mizzou-football-program/
December 20th, 2012 at 4:30 PM
Awesome. NHL games canceled through Jan 14th. Looks like 15th is the drop dead date. Fold players fold.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:30 PM
Marty Morningwrgwheg might be a good coach, I’m convinced no matter who takes the job the head coach of the Detroit Lions will inevitably fail…move that team the LA, that entire franchise needs a fresh start
December 20th, 2012 at 4:30 PM
No mention of the trades for WR Holmes and Edwards? Or the signing of Burress, who was the biggest reason for his inflated passing TD total last year?
December 20th, 2012 at 4:31 PM
I still think Saban’s gonna make another stab at the NFL. For him to sit back and watch Pete Carroll succeed … Pete ‘effin Carrol for gawds sake.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:31 PM
Fuck Duke.
/GO TERPS
December 20th, 2012 at 4:31 PM
Al Saunders and Kevin Gilbride are both perfectly good OCs and horrendous HCs.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:32 PM
facing three completely different offenses in three straight weeks
Yeah – good call. College DCs have it tough.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:32 PM
I’ll never forget him deferring in OT.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:32 PM
I’m not at all surprised Mizzou got their ass handed to them this year. I was stunned A&M was as good as they were, but that’s because I didn’t know anything about Sumlin (dude is awesome) and Manziel came out of the middle of nowehere. Mizzou is going to get it’s shit pushed in for some time, though (sorry Lisk). UGA, UF and SoCar aren’t going anywhere anytime soon.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:32 PM
can we think of some other good coordinators/bad head coaches other than norm and wade phillips please? especially when the patron saint is dick lebeau.
kevin steele. asshole.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:33 PM
I wouldn’t have expected Jim Miller to lead a scoring drive either
December 20th, 2012 at 4:34 PM
I would be stunned if he’s not in the NFL within five years.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:34 PM
If you switch places with him, you are going to be hitting the showers with a reserve WR and only showing up in public for photo ops with Kate.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Saw “Beach Blanket Bingo” on cable a while back. Goldang.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Mike Tice and Brad Childress? but judging on this year Tice kind of sucks at everything.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
I’m not following…what do they call this in soccer (you may know it as football or futbol)?
December 20th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
He took the wind. In sudden death overtime. That alone needs to prevent him from ever being a head coach.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:36 PM
Only to fans who were desperate I guess. The rest of us were pointing out the incredible luck involved in those playoffs wins (as well as the luck involved in making the playoffs in the 1st place).
December 20th, 2012 at 4:36 PM
Carroll is a dick but was a pretty excellent NFL coordinator/adequate HC before he was at USC. Saban had two shitty seasons at Miami.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:37 PM
I think it’s over, Vlad.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:38 PM
9-7 and 6-10 with no QB is hardly shitty.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:38 PM
Bo Derek = Linda Evans, the Sequel, part deux.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:38 PM
Also Carroll isn’t a bully coach so NFL players are more likely to warm to him…those Dolphin players despised Saban, he should stick to the level where he has all the power
December 20th, 2012 at 4:39 PM
December 20th, 2012 at 4:39 PM
I would want no part of Saban as an NFL head coach.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:40 PM
Roger Goodell should thank his lucky stars that Gary Bettman exists.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:40 PM
And that’s on him…despite his recent revisionist history.
I would assume he wants full control of personnel as well, and he doesn’t have a good track record.
He could still be great…but that’s a “just sayin’”
December 20th, 2012 at 4:40 PM
I agree that he should stay in college where he can be the Napoleon that he is, but egos are amazing things, and if Chip Kelly goes to the pros and succeeds, I wonder if Saban won’t think about giving it one more shot.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:40 PM
I’m probably going to cancel my tickets if they lose another season. It’s just ridiculous that they can’t get their shit together.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Carroll is a dick
Based on what I’ve read about him, I wouldn’t have given him this label.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Except that he had a shot at a QB and took Culpepper instead.
Yeah, yeah. Blame “the doctors.”
Besides, it’s less about his ability as a coach than it is about him being a ridiculous martinet. He’s more Frank Kush than Jimmy Johnson (not that either are a perfect comparison, but you know what I mean.)
December 20th, 2012 at 4:42 PM
Not really. I mean, if the doctors say we think his arm is going to fall off, how do you say I think you’re full of shit?
Re: Chip Kelly
If I were Ohio State fans I would be very interested in seeing what he does if he makes the jump. If his system works, Urban Meyer will be far more intriguing to NFL teams.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:42 PM
At least all your superstars are young. They’ll come back with a low cap and the Wings will be even older and not allowed to spend money.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:42 PM
Is this the post where we can talk about the Giants?
December 20th, 2012 at 4:43 PM
Saban, he should stick to the level where he has all the power
Agreed – I just don’t think he can sit back and watch Carroll. It’ll eat at him.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:43 PM
John Derek must have been tucking that thing into his sock.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:43 PM
If he gets a shot. He is not on Petrino’s level, but he lied to an owner about not going to Alabama. Very short list of owners who will give him a 2nd chance.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:43 PM
Yeah, his family will be down with Urban working 80-90 hours a week.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:45 PM
Very short list of owners who will give him a 2nd chance.
The Browns are holding on line 1, the Raiders on line 2.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:46 PM
I still can’t believe Herm actually had a chat about the woody johnson.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:46 PM
Much as I hate to say it, I think the Raiders are past the days of knee-jerk name-whoring. If Al was still alive, possibly. But…actually, no, because Saban wouldn’t have taken orders about playing man from the owner’s box.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:47 PM
Also, what’s Herm’s take on how some teams always seem to find an unknown QB in the third round who turns out to be elite, like the Ravens did>
December 20th, 2012 at 4:47 PM
Ha! You actually think he gives a fuck. The amount of buy-in Ohio State fans have displayed is amazing. Dude has convinced sycophantic morons that he’s a saint.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:48 PM
The amount of buy-in Ohio State fans have displayed is amazing. Dude has convinced sycophantic morons that he’s a saint.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:49 PM
If the Jets bring in Alex Babyhands, I’m giving eight weeks in 2013 until someone has him outright crying in a postgame news conference.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:51 PM
To be fair, this describes nearly every successful college coach.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:51 PM
As long as he retains the authority to step over unconscious/dead players on the floor, he won’t mind another shot at the NFL.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:53 PM
dude, already with this bullshit?
we’ve bought into him being a badass football coach who’s willing to kill whatever team lines up across from ohio state’s. we couldnt give two shits less about him being a family man. that’s just stupid. fucking STUPID.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:54 PM
jesus vlad…you bought into that family shit?
December 20th, 2012 at 4:55 PM
Dorothy Malone in Beach Party > Linda Evans in Beach Blanket Bingo
December 20th, 2012 at 4:55 PM
No, I just don’t see him going to the NFL. He’s gonna quit or take a job somewhere else in college for more money before he goes to the NFL.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:57 PM
Initially misread this as “Tony Soprano” and was starting to nod in agreement.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:57 PM
Yeah – Urb’s a lying, hypocritical jackass. But really, that’s the MO for all college coaches.
/and yes … I’m repeating myself
December 20th, 2012 at 4:57 PM
I’m not certain whether Saban will ever coach in the NFL again…but I’m close to certain that he will coach in college somewhere besides Bama before he’s done.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:57 PM
this
followed by this
is priceless.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:57 PM
Except for Vlad
December 20th, 2012 at 4:57 PM
yea, i dont see urbz in the NFL either. chip kelly’s offense is a bit different, but urban’s needs the wide hashmarks to work.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:58 PM
What makes you think that>
December 20th, 2012 at 5:00 PM
Triumphant hero’s return to Bowling Green!
December 20th, 2012 at 5:00 PM
Ego. Restlessness. Absolutely no emotional ties to Bama. I feel strongly that he will coach at another powerhouse before he’s done…and if I had to guess, it’ll be Southern Cal.
December 20th, 2012 at 5:00 PM
Saban should coach Purdue or something just to challenge himself, not like winning at LSU and Alabama has proven to be impossible over the years
December 20th, 2012 at 5:00 PM
Every LSU fan over the age of 30 remembers Arnsparger. He is with Satan, The Hat and Pepsodent Paul Dietzel in the Tigers pantheon.
December 20th, 2012 at 5:01 PM
i couldnt see saban in LA…no way in hell. then again, miami…
in any event, i think texas could snatch him out of tuscaloosa.
December 20th, 2012 at 5:02 PM
not gonna happen, but id love to see this.
/opens fightin’ 096′s checkbook
//moths fly out
December 20th, 2012 at 5:02 PM
I would consider Texas a strong possibility, too. Oklahoma wouldn’t surprise me either.
I just think at some point he’s going to view the mission at Alabama as complete. He’s going to look to go collect trophies elsewhere.
December 20th, 2012 at 5:03 PM
Nebraska. He can return the Huskers to the glory of Dr. Tom and retired beloved by every Nebraskan.
I NEED THIS!!
December 20th, 2012 at 5:03 PM
michigan?
December 20th, 2012 at 5:04 PM
It would be awesome to see him go to NEB and run Meyer out of another league, too.
December 20th, 2012 at 5:06 PM
reading Duffy’s posts on this would painful
December 20th, 2012 at 5:06 PM
If only to rekindle the hate Spartan fans held for him at one point
December 20th, 2012 at 5:06 PM
jesus christ…i just had a day terror thinking about a saban team in the big house. nevermind…never-fucking-mind. GAH! COBRAS!!!
December 20th, 2012 at 5:07 PM
Husker, I get the feeling you don’t see him coaching in college somewhere else ever?
Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if he repeats his cycle…takes an NFL job, doesn’t set the woods on fire, and then an elite college comes calling…
December 20th, 2012 at 5:07 PM
What a travesty.
December 20th, 2012 at 5:08 PM
there are legitimate reasons to go to michigan that fit the profile of an obsessive compulsive, napoleonic, ruthless psychopath like saban. it’d rub it in lil’ brother’s face, he’d get to go after urban, part of another historic legacy, national power with tons of money…FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.
December 20th, 2012 at 5:09 PM
legacy = rivalry.
December 20th, 2012 at 5:10 PM
dude…the military needs help with recruiting AND football. army or navy would be both a challenge and fucking awesome.
December 20th, 2012 at 5:15 PM
Great News Healines:
Shape of human hand may have evolved for fighting, scientists say. (LA Times)
Will Your Next Burger Be Ground-Up Mealworms? (LiveScience.com)
/awaits OT banhammer
December 20th, 2012 at 5:16 PM
Ego. Restlessness. Absolutely no emotional ties to Bama. I feel strongly that he will coach at another powerhouse before he’s done…and if I had to guess, it’ll be Southern Cal.
But they built a statue for him in front of the stadium. Should they build a bigger statue?
I can see Saban have a rough, by Bama standards, couple of seasons, retire and then take over Texas when whoever replaces Mack fails. I don’t think he does the NFL again.
December 20th, 2012 at 5:22 PM
Well, I guess this is kinda on-topic, but I could not help loving the hot shit out of this comment about Tebow on Pro Football Talk:
December 20th, 2012 at 5:33 PM
We have dramatically different definitions of “pretty damn good” and “lead”
December 20th, 2012 at 7:11 PM
i swear there was a post earlier this year that said “this team is irrelevant, I won’t be writing about them at least until the offseason”
December 20th, 2012 at 11:47 PM
Wish i had been here when this comment section was still active, but it took me a really long time to read the whole post.
The idea of needing to set a team philosophy is complete nonsense. Good teams in the NFL are constantly changing their game plans, throwing in new twists from week to week, precisely because establishing one philosophy quickly means your team is predictable and opposing coaches can adjust. See Bill Belichick as Exhibit A. In this interview, with the teams he mentions, establishing a philosophy means having an above average QB. What team doesn’t want that?
Random Thoughts: For the life of me, I can’t understand why the LBs get blamed over and over for the decline in the running game. Sione Pouha was arguably the best 3-4 NT in the league last (was All-Pro with I think wilfork). He has been playing hurt with a bad back the entire season, at the position where leverage is incredibly important. Don’t get me wrong, the Harris had a down year, Bart Scott was inconsistent, but Pouha’s decline was by FAR the biggest reason.
Kyle Wilson is not a bust. FO has him smack dab in the middle of the pack among corners in the league. Revis’ injury actually helped him, was able to move out of the slot and into a more traditional outside role.
People talk about the OL as though Wayne Hunter is still an active member. Its a good OL in pass protection, but made to look bad by the fact the Sanchez holds onto the ball on average longer than any QB in the NFL. They could use another pulling guard for the run game, especially with Moore and Slauson being free agents.
If i wasn’t a Jets fan, I’d be tired of reading all this too. But the fact is, nobody thought this team was anything but average going into the season, after which they proceeded to be absolutely decimated by injuries. And you know what? They are still average, can’t beat good teams, generally beat bad teams. To me, Rex should be kept on for that alone.
/There is absolutely zero chance this gets read by anyone.
December 20th, 2012 at 11:55 PM
I like it TH, Jets are the New Browns. Well said.
December 21st, 2012 at 2:11 PM
Very good read here and as a jets fan, I agree something needs to happen with the front office first and foremost. I personally would make a play for Andy Reid at the GM level. In 14 seasons as head coach/GM, he has taken the Eagles to 9 playoff appearances and has brought consistency to a rather dysfunctional organization. I would even go as far to potential try (key word) and move Rex to D coordinator and have Andy do GM/Head Coach but I doubt that would fly.
Secondly, I would make the 2 following player moves. First and foremost, you have to trade Revis. The jets currently have the 2nd ranked pass defense (according to CBS) and most though this wouldn’t happen without Revis Island. All things considered (knee injury, CB ranking, pro bowl appearances, etc) the Jets could get a 1st, 3rd/4th, and maybe 6th round pick in the 2013 draft in the right team is interested. Those picks (coupled with their current 7) can help the Jets get a HB, RG, WR, OLB, replacement CB, a blocking TE, and dept on the OL/DL/MLB. Bottom line this will get younger (obviously if Tannenbum doesn’t trade any picks away). Revis wants bank and the jets are not in the financial position to make this happen.
Secondly, I would bring in a low-end veteran QB (Matt Hasslebeck anyone) to hold the fort, if needed, for 1 season. There aren’t any solid rookie QB’s this season to build a franchise around nor will take any retreads (Vick, Smith, Cassel, Kolb). Hopefully McElroy plays well these next 2 games and shows promise as a QB of the future. By the time his rookie contract expires (2015), Sanchez will be long gone (only guaranteed money until 2013) and there will be no reason to have big money spent on 2 QB’s at the same time.