Roundup: Pigeon Refused to Leave the Field During Oakland-Kansas City Despite Repeated Attempts by Players, Coaches
Joanna Krupa … the Twitter vs. Instagram vs. Facebook battle … terrible story about high school football players accused to raping drunk 16-year-old … the NRA shut down its Facebook page … coming soon: “Nielsen Twitter TV Rating” … watching porn causes short-term memory loss … Craig Kilborn is coming back? … NFL ratings are down! … Channing Tatum’s wife is pregnant … mediocre college teams make more TV money than Notre Dame … 10 years in jail for hacking the phones of Scarlett and others …
SEC basketball, so far, is absolutely terrible. Teams, fans, you name it. [WDRB]
Kobe returned home to Philly for a nostalgic weekend. [Woj]
Ever wonder what it is like to “retire” from sports in your 30s? Alexi Lalas talks about it. [Goal.com]
Tampa Bay Rays minor leaguer refuses to take drug test, is suspended 50 games. [Fox Sports]
“I don’t know anybody in the sporting or hunting arena that goes out with an assault rifle.” [Caucus]
Tennessee receiver Justin Hunter, a top 60 pick in the NFL draft, has declared for the NFL. [Knoxville News Sentinel]
It’s good to be … Johnny Manziel’s mom? [Chronicle]
Key cogs on Notre Dame’s offensive and defensive lines will return in 2013. [South Bend Tribune]
Sally Jenkins explains why she’s not mad at Lance Armstrong. Yawn. [Wash Post]
” … we need to be looking at the root cause: untreated or inadequately treated mental illness.” [National Review]
Garrett Reid had “19 vials of steroids in his room at Lehigh University when he died from an overdose.” [Daily News]
Kordell Stewart’s very attractive wife was asked about the former QB’s “gay” rumors. [The YBF]
Drunk girls partying in a hotel room, and … whoops. [via Adam]
“Frinkin’ Awesome.” Indeed. [Hot Clicks]
That is one stubborn pigeon. [via Cartmaniak]
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December 18th, 2012 at 8:32 AM
These religious fucktards (Huckabee and Dobson) are almost as bad as the NRA apologists. Yes this happened because of abortion and gay rights.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:34 AM
Wasn’t this the plot of the final Seinfeld?
December 18th, 2012 at 8:35 AM
Boehiem did a smart thing last night. With all the media converging on him after win 900, he used the camera time to make a plea for gun control. He went on Mike and Mike this morning in part to explain why he did it, and I thought his explanation — I have a forum, why shouldn’t I use it to spur action that saves lives? — was both honest and acceptable.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:38 AM
I saw a rambling facebook post on my timeline the other day that basically said, “This will continue to happen until GOD is put back in the classroom.” I almost stomped on my computer.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:38 AM
My wife hates Boehiem (she used to work in Syracuse athletic office) but he kinda redeemed himself last night with what he said.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:40 AM
That post (and others that are similar) have hundreds of thousands of likes. My favorite takeaway from right-wing talk radio yesterday was that these things happen in schools and malls and theaters because these places are proud gun-free zones. “Why don’t these shootings ever happen at police stations?” was a particular standout.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:42 AM
why?
December 18th, 2012 at 8:43 AM
My favorite takeaway from right-wing talk radio yesterday
I sometimes tune into those stations just to see what the other side is saying. Yesterday I just couldn’t take it. The complete ignorance and hatred coming out of those people is scary.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:44 AM
Would you feel similarly if his platform was something like “I’m against abortion because it takes lives”?
/playing devil’s advocate
December 18th, 2012 at 8:45 AM
Is it ok to talk Homeland today?
December 18th, 2012 at 8:46 AM
Now that was funny.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:46 AM
“Why don’t these shootings ever happen at police stations?” was a particular standout.
Clearly never saw Terminator.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:47 AM
That’s why I did it. I was hoping there’d be some talk about sensible gun reform. But no, it was the same old “Obama will use this as an excuse to take your guns and make you more dependent on a tyrannical government/lets arm everyone” nonsense.
Anyone who wants to talk about gun control is a liberal pussy. Anyone who thinks maybe we should curtain a few of the more absurd gun laws wants to ban all guns forever. Its just embarrassing. Makes me think we’ll never be able to have an intelligent discourse about guns outside of a mass shooting.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:48 AM
I will never forgive Syracuse for blowing that title game to Indiana. Make the front end of your 1-and-1 damnit. That shit cost me a lot of money in a pool I should of won.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:49 AM
That was my first thought
December 18th, 2012 at 8:49 AM
Anchor baby.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:49 AM
So you’re pretty confident that this is not a factor in why some of these locales have been chosen?
December 18th, 2012 at 8:49 AM
Great roundup pic
December 18th, 2012 at 8:50 AM
I don’t know. I’ve certainly considered the idea that I liked this action because I happen to agree with the sentiment. The statement’s timeliness is part of the reason it felt appropriate to me, though. If some coach randomly ranted about abortion or health care or gun control after a game with no topical tie-in, it would feel wrong regardless of the subject.
But yes, I think my agreement with his stance plays a role.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:50 AM
why?
He was just a jerk to her and the rest of the student staff.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:51 AM
Sure
/because now I’ve seen it
December 18th, 2012 at 8:51 AM
10 years in jail for hacking the phones of Scarlett and others …
Create a mental picture of the dude you think would do this kind of a thing and it will look exactly like this guy.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:53 AM
mmm…delectable.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:53 AM
Coop?
December 18th, 2012 at 8:54 AM
and Brian Kelly accepts Chicago Bears job…
/crosses fingers
December 18th, 2012 at 8:54 AM
There are some fantastic NSFW images out there on the Google machine
December 18th, 2012 at 8:55 AM
Tim Ryan’s tailor?
December 18th, 2012 at 8:55 AM
Sure
/because now I’ve seen it
So, who put the bomb in Brody’s SUV?
December 18th, 2012 at 8:55 AM
Right, because broad generalizations and exaggerations from you and comments like “THE FUCKING GUN NUTS NEED TO KILL THEMSELVES” from Mike on Friday are the voice of reason and logic.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:56 AM
the one with the see thru shirt?
December 18th, 2012 at 8:57 AM
Pigeon dont give a F*. That was actually kind of funny, some kid ran on at the 6 minute mark and looked like he was going to punt it but then thought better and ran off.
The Krupa sisters can get it.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:58 AM
Could be funny. I kinda like Craig. Could also be horrendous.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:59 AM
I don’t think its anyone we’ve seen yet. Wouldn’t make sense otherwise. All the crazy internet theories (IT WAS QUINN! IT WAS SAUL!) make no sense whatsoever.
The finale was both better than I expected and wholly emblematic of the entire season. Disappointed that this embarrassing Carrie-Brody romance will apparently continue into next season (only The Newsroom’s Maggie-Jim turdbowl was more cringe inducing) but the finale does give the show a chance to reset if it chooses to. I just don’t think these writers have the balls to write Damien Lewis out for long.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:00 AM
I certainly never said anything resembling that. I am a gun owner. But I agree, those comments and WE NEED TO BAN ALL GUNS are just as uselessly distracting.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:00 AM
both guys that followed him are better. i never found Kilborn funny outside of Bristol.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:01 AM
SEC basketball, so far, is absolutely terrible. Teams, fans, you name it.
That’s what they get for watering down their conference with Big 12 rejects.
/Clown’d.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:02 AM
Every single day since mid-October or so, my boss has greeted me to work with “Ponder sucks.” (He’s a Vikings fan.) Today he greets me with “Ponder sucks. But he’s better than Sanchez.”
December 18th, 2012 at 9:02 AM
I would. People need to have the balls to upset others more than they do. The Michael Jordan era of safe/do nothing athletes is nauseating.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:02 AM
Brian Kelly to the Bears?
Yeah, right. Better chance that the Jets unload Sanchez.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:03 AM
“I don’t know anybody in the sporting or hunting arena that goes out with an assault rifle,” Mr. Manchin said, speaking on the MSNBC program “Morning Joe.”
“I don’t know anybody who needs 30 rounds in a clip to go hunting. I mean, these are things that need to be talked about,” he added.
You know, a debate about guns might be fruitful if jackasses like this guy didn’t purposefully mislead the discussion.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:04 AM
Any question as to whether Sanchez is the worst starting QB in the league right now?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:04 AM
Definitely. I don’t think Kelly leaves, yet. But this is a guy who seems like he isn’t planted anywhere. I understand Notre Dame is a destination job for most, but I could see him take the leap at some point. He has been successful at every single level he has been at.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:04 AM
It would be nice, but then the sponsors go bye-bye. Few if any of these guys are willing to take money out of their pockets to speak publicly about an issue. Can you picture LeBron taking a possibly unpopular stance on something? Especially after these last two years of careful image rehab? Not in a million years.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:04 AM
I’m in the minority but I loved some of his stuff. “And now, it’s time for… Craig Feels Uncomfortable Listening To The New Radiohead.”
December 18th, 2012 at 9:04 AM
ND will regress to the mean next year and lose 3ish games.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:04 AM
Yeah, I agree with that and can be fairly certain it wasn’t Brody himself. That he pointed out his SUV was moved and the fact that he seemed genuinely shocked to see his confession tape released by the terrorist group leads me to this thinking.
Quinn has to be pretty pissed off now that he didn’t kill Brody, right?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:05 AM
Brody’s guiltier than Mr. Bates…he was setting everything in order (like giving Mike the okay to keep fucking his wife) knowing that he could use Carrie to help him escape
Patinkin can do better than where this show’s going
December 18th, 2012 at 9:05 AM
Vlad’s ears just perked up.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:05 AM
Manchin won his seat almost solely because of an ad that showed him using a gun to blow apart a copy of the cap and trade bill. He’s typically viewed as a pretty credible guy. Furthermore, I agree no one needs a 30-round clip for anything, ever.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:05 AM
Any question as to whether Sanchez is the worst starting QB in the league right now?
You must not watch much Kansas City Chief football. They have three QBs that are worse.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:06 AM
Sanchez could end up being one of the worst to get 50+ starts in a career if you’re able to adjust for how easy it is to pass in this era
December 18th, 2012 at 9:07 AM
Oh so Wayne’s the only one able to curse someone to death now? That’s bullshit Wayne.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:07 AM
Furthermore, I agree no one needs a 30-round clip for anything, ever.
I agree with that, but this guy is lying his ass off when he says, “I don’t know anybody in the sporting or hunting arena that goes out with an assault rifle.” You know, if he is a big hunter and all he has a bunch of hunting buddies.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:07 AM
Kordell Stewart’s very attractive wife was asked about the former QB’s “gay” rumors. [The YBF]
Non-denial denial.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:08 AM
December 18th, 2012 at 9:08 AM
Yeah, there’s no way it was Brody. If he was the bomber, why tell Carrie, “Hey, who moved my car there?” Besides, she motioned him out of the building, not the other way around. Also, why the hell would he release his own confession tape when trying to escape, which essentially made him the most wanted man in the world.
Quinn is going to be an interesting case next season. I liked — but didn’t fully buy — his scene with Estes. Trained, order-following killer just suddenly decides not to kill a terrorist because of morals? Just didn’t fit his character. Although, again, I really enjoyed the scene.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:08 AM
Not even close. Maybe you’ve heard of the team that currently plays in Arizona?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:08 AM
That is one stubborn pigeon.
based on the very end of that video, it was probably an injured pigeon. It had probably been stepped on already. P.S. It should be legal to kill pigeons as mercilessly as you want.
Craig Kilborn is coming back?
CNN Primetime – A very limited engagement that nobody sees or remembers
December 18th, 2012 at 9:09 AM
If it doesn’t have an extended clip and it’s not fully automatic, it is not an assault rifle. He’s speaking within the legal definition. If people aren’t hunting with thirty round clips, then no, people aren’t hunting with assault rifles.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:10 AM
I blame Brett “cock shot” Favre for why Sanchez and Ponder suck. He soiled the position for the Jets and Vikes after he left them.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:10 AM
Considering I am not a terrorist undergoing enhanced interrogation techniques at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, you are correct.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:10 AM
Gabbert or Sanchez?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:11 AM
I forgot about Findley. He and Quinn are probably as bad.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:11 AM
Based on the previews of the new Liev Schreiber show I say they just go ahead and have Patinkin replace Jon Voights character now.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:11 AM
saw tinker taylor soldier spy last night…pretty good.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:11 AM
Although it had been so so this season, Homeland really rebounded with a bang on Sunday.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:11 AM
Sanchez: 61 starts, 55.2% comp, 68 TDs, 68 INTs, 41 fumbles (both lost and recovered), 6.8 YPA
Joey Harrington: 76 starts, 56.1% comp, 68 TDs, 68 INTs, 25 fumbles (lost and recovered), 5.8 YPA
December 18th, 2012 at 9:12 AM
Patinkin can do better than where this show’s going
I would absolutely watch Alien Nation 2 with Mandy Patinkin and James Caan.
Actually, I’d watch Alien Nation again right now.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:12 AM
P.S. It should be legal to kill pigeons as mercilessly as you want.
And geese.
Considering I am not a terrorist undergoing enhanced interrogation techniques at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, you are correct.
Ricky Stanzi is so bad he can’t even get on the field when Quinn and Cassell are shitting up the game.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:12 AM
Throw one alka-seltzer tablet down there and that pigeon is finis.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:12 AM
CNN is far and away the worst news organization. People seem to forget they’re the ones who gave Glenn Beck his start in television and that they employed Lou Dobbs. At least Fox and MSNBC take a side for the most part, CNN is just pandering to whomever is loudest (oh you want populism? here’s multi million salary a year Anderson Cooper questioning if the president using a helicopter is “right”). Getting Bourdain and then this Kilborn shit is just the icing.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:12 AM
I’ve got to think Quinn and Dar Adal play a large role in the next season. I’m really interested in Carrie’s explanation to Saul about how she escaped the bombing and where she was. Wasn’t happy that they ended the episode before Saul asked.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:12 AM
Or, Rex is just a fat dipshit that doesn’t know anything about coaching QB’s or offense.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:12 AM
Nah, Vikings QB situation has been horrendous since 2005. Broken down Culpepper, Brad Johnson, Frerotte, Tarvaris, Bollinger, Holcomb…
December 18th, 2012 at 9:13 AM
He needed her to escape, had to set it up so that he could plausibly say it wasn’t him…even for a show as sloppy as that one’s gotten that’s quite the coincidence if he noticed it had moved seconds before blowing up
December 18th, 2012 at 9:13 AM
Were you familiar with the book? I was and don’t get how anyone could have followed it otherwise.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:13 AM
Old video – Kilborn interviews Jon Stewart.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:15 AM
Amen to that. Why are these annoying shit machines protected when there are way too many of them? We are infested here.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:15 AM
Walter Football has him going 32nd. Is Walter Football any good? I honestly have no idea.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:15 AM
saw tinker taylor soldier spy last night…pretty good.
you know what’s awesome about that movie? How much they accomplish with dialogue. So much that they don’t need endless explosions.
I also like how when British people make a movie they don’t feel it necessary to cast Americans, unlike the reverse.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:15 AM
That would be a great study for Lisk to do.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:16 AM
Book was enjoyable. I’m about halfway through the second on in the series.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:17 AM
Bet Sanchez can’t tickle the ivories as well
December 18th, 2012 at 9:17 AM
Really enjoy that film. A slow burn, but a fascinating one.
But she’s the one who motioned him outside of the building. Also, if he was the bomber, why put the bomb is his own car and release his own confession tape, making it essentially impossible to get away? Just doesn’t make sense? I chalk the car noticing scene up to bad writing.
To me, if the writers wanted Brody’s culpability to be ambiguous, they’d have had Carrie notice the car then it immediately explode. Also, no confession tape. That would have raised some serious questions.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:17 AM
Fun fact: the pigeon was the first bird to be domesticated.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:17 AM
yea, i had read it a year or two ago. i thought they did a pretty good job of keeping it as clear as possible, all things considered. and god damn is gary oldman awesome.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:17 AM
The only problem I have with this theory is that it was pretty obvious it was Carrie who initiated them leaving the funeral and also it was her who led them to Saul’s office.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:17 AM
Were you familiar with the book? I was and don’t get how anyone could have followed it otherwise.
I never read it, and I had to go back a couple of times in the beginning to figure out who was who and what was what.
But it was because I started watching it like it was a regular movie. Where you don’t have to pay attention, and can just play Ipad games at the same time
December 18th, 2012 at 9:18 AM
I read the book after seeing the movie and had no trouble following the plot. Totally missed the insinuation that the two were gay, though. Inexcusable, really.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:18 AM
They’re not going to make The Honourable Schoolboy into a movie because it’s too expensive to film in Asia but they’re going to do Smiley’s People, should be cool.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:18 AM
Walter Football has him going 32nd. Is Walter Football any good? I honestly have no idea.
No, Walter football is not any good. They do a lot of mock drafts, though. But they’re not any good.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:19 AM
this…it’s definitely an active viewing.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:19 AM
If there is a soulless ginger on showtime theres always a way.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:20 AM
I’m ok with some gun regulation. Problem I’ve got is it will be handled in Washington, DC, and they don’t ever handle anything right up there. For example, everyone wants to talk assault rifles. Out of 12,000 murders last year, something like 330 were committed with a rifle. So what may work better – banning assault rifles or going to mandatory all gun registration with a ballistics test on file to easily identify a gun used in a crime?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:20 AM
It’s possible, I’m not positive he did it, just a hunch…not even sure I’ll take in season three with the tumble it took, if you had told me a month ago I’d be more looking forward to the next season of Boardwalk Empire than this I wouldn’t have believed it
December 18th, 2012 at 9:20 AM
Fun fact: the pigeon was the first bird to be domesticated.
before chickens?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:20 AM
Ha. I used to work at Busch Gardens, and one day the passengers on the train were horrified to see a worker behind a restaurant kill a sea gull with a knife.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:20 AM
I mean I followed it it just seemed to me that it works better narratively in the miniseries format that they originally did. Just seemed like it would be difficult with all the jargon and background.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:21 AM
Spencer a contributor?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:21 AM
Both?
A new Spy Who Came In From The Cold movie would be glorious.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:21 AM
I’m gonna miss Gyp.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:22 AM
But he did get away, hopefully season three involves some comically inept Canadian mounties trying to apprehend him
December 18th, 2012 at 9:23 AM
Don’t watch Homeland but from reading all the tv critics on twitter, it seems like this season, they dangerously came close to being another “24″. If that is the case, don’t think I’ll watch it.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:23 AM
It wouldn’t surprise me if they did one after Smiley’s People if that’s a success. Can still use Oldman and Cumbernsatch.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:23 AM
Yeah it should. Curious how they’re going to link the first and third movies together.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:24 AM
Because the law about not taking guns in to a school zone really stopped that guy on Friday in Newton…..Limiting possession only opens up the innocent and gives power to the ‘bad guys’.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:24 AM
They have the Vikings taking a linebacker in the first round, and they describe Jasper Brinkley as “anemic.” Unless they think anemic means “average,” they’re incorrect. Seriously, everyone and their mother knows they’re taking the best WR available, if not a DT or CB.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:25 AM
Ha. I used to work at Busch Gardens, and one day the passengers on the train were horrified to see a worker behind a restaurant kill a sea gull with a knife.
in my younger dumbass days, I used to play softball with a bunch of dumbasses in Euless TX. One of the dumbest of those asses was a beer league softball umpire. Anyway, this softball field was beset by pigeons. They’d nest right next to the fake owls.
So one day, while we were walking to our game, we met up with this dumbass, who hadn’t yet changed into his softball duds, and was still dressed as an umpire.
So we’re walking, and there’s 10 pigeons in the way. He runs at them (like a real dumbass) to give the pile a kick, knowing they’ll all fly away or scurry aside.
One doesn’t, he kicks it, some lady sees, and this dumbass loses his job as a beer league softball umpire within a week, because of her complaint.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:25 AM
I’ll certainly give it a shot, but if Brody turns out to be a major presence next season, I’m out. I know Damien Lewis is a fantastic actor and the current Emmy holder. But there’s just no story left with him. He should have died this season like he was supposed to.
The creators seem to think the ridiculous romance is working much better than it actually is. No one cares about crazy Carrie and her terrorist boyfriend. The Carrie-Saul relationship is much more rewarding, and Brody isn’t nearly as fascinating a character without ambiguous motives. Cut the cord and move on.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:26 AM
I came oh so close to giving up on Boardwalk about halfway through last season glad I stuck it out.
As far as Homeland is concerned, I really enjoyed the season finale and am looking forward to next season.
On a side note, do people here cancel Showtime or HBO when a particular show they watch ends for the season? I think I’m going to drop Showtime until Homeland’s next season.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:26 AM
Just a pet peeve…
I wish you had linked to page 1 instead of page 2 of the Sally Jenkins article. I just read the whole second page before realizing I was starting in the middle.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:26 AM
I don’t know what clips people are using, but AR-15 (and variants) are the largest selling rifles in the country. Now, if this is because a bunch of people want to play soldier when they shoot at whitetails, I have no idea. Or maybe ex-military that already know how to fire the weapon and prefer it. But they are good weapons for shooting hogs and coyotes. I much prefer a bolt action .270 Remington, myself.
Again, the ban on clips is just a bunch of window dressing, anyway, and would not have prevented any of these shootings. I could care less if they are banned, however.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:26 AM
Mental health has more to do with this school shooting than semi-automatic weapons. Some sick son of a bitch thought it was ok to waste (20) 6-7 year olds. Lets just ban every-fucking-thing instead of looking at the root cause of this.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:27 AM
walter football said chase blackburn shouldn’t be starting. ok. they say a lot of foolish things
December 18th, 2012 at 9:27 AM
So you’re saying that Dianne Feinstein (whose husband makes hundreds of millions off defense contracts selling weaponry to the government) DOESN’T have a genuine interest in protecting people? NO!
December 18th, 2012 at 9:29 AM
Gun owner here.
Fully support assault weapons ban. Retroactive even. Make it illegal to own them and ask the public to turn those guns in. Also support closing gun show loop hole and make ownership screening much more intensive. Create national database that all states feed info into (registered owners & list of those who should not own guns). Felons & mentally ill should not have gun ownership rights.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:29 AM
I have HBO year-round because I think their stable of shows and docs (Boarwalk, Treme, Veep, Luck, Curb, GoT) merits a full subscription. I torrent Homeland.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:29 AM
- 2 Emmy Rossum boobs
December 18th, 2012 at 9:30 AM
The fact that the gun show loophole still exists is mind-boggling.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:31 AM
Thanks to Randy Johnson, birds still avoid baseball fields.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:32 AM
On a side note, do people here cancel Showtime or HBO when a particular show they watch ends for the season? I think I’m going to drop Showtime until Homeland’s next season.
if you call and tell them that, they’ll let you keep it for 3 months, hoping you forget to cancel after that. So don’t take the 3 months.
But no, there’s nothing on showtime once you’ve seen Emmy Rossum without clothes and makeup.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:32 AM
Couldn’t have said it any better. I love Damien Lewis but his story is a drag at this point. Next season will feature Carrie trying to clear his name. Though I think it will be pretty easy to clear his name for this particular bombing since he is still alive. But having the tape leaked will at least out him as an attempted terrorist.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:33 AM
That is what Google Images is for.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:33 AM
Egotastic will have the goods every Monday, you can count on that
Usually when I call to cancel a movie station there’s some new deal in place that if I have all of them my bill goes down…should get on that again since the only other thing I enjoy on Showtime is Dave’s Old Porn
December 18th, 2012 at 9:33 AM
Yep. They pin it between 5000 and 8000 BC(E if you’re nasty).
December 18th, 2012 at 9:34 AM
I have no issue with this, but the mother of the killer wasn’t mentally ill. A person with a developmental disorder was heavily exposed to guns and shooting. Your idea, which is great in theory, wouldn’t have prevented this school shooting from heppening.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:34 AM
There was a commercial for Shameless before The Hobbit. I do love William H Macy’s long hair, but is that show worth watching?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:34 AM
should get on that again since the only other thing I enjoy on Showtime is Dave’s Old Porn
one day you’ll learn, but there are some things you just shouldn’t tell people
December 18th, 2012 at 9:35 AM
I was actually pretty close to cancelling for good until Boardwalk Empire came along. Now, I’ve found myself catching up on GoT and all those other shows you mentioned.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:36 AM
I enjoy Shameless enough to keep it. Plus Lizzy Caplan is getting another showtime show. And I have yet to see her naked with no makeup.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:36 AM
I get HBO for $9 a month. It’s a 6 month promo which is about to run out. I rarely watch HBO, now that Game of Thrones isn’t on. But I don’t think I will cancel as I am using HBOGO to catch up on The Sopranos and Deadwood.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:36 AM
I do love William H Macy’s long hair, but is that show worth watching?
I will watch almost anything, but I quit that show in season 1 because it was so unbearably stupid, and just chock full of cheesy tearjerking bullshit. Oh, and Macy is the worst person to ever see on anything.
You will never guess what role he’s playing. Wait, did you say sad sack loser? Well, you guessed it. I didn’t think you’d get that.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:36 AM
Ah yes, the America Online strategy
December 18th, 2012 at 9:37 AM
If you enjoy watching William H. Macy overact for one hour a week, then this is the show for you.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:37 AM
I was actually pretty close to cancelling for good until Boardwalk Empire came along. Now, I’ve found myself catching up on GoT and all those other shows you mentioned.
with HBO, you get HBO Go, so you can go backwards all you want. You can watch john from cincinnati.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:37 AM
/Makes mental note not to mention letter-writing campaign to HBO to bring Cathouse back
December 18th, 2012 at 9:38 AM
I try not to torrent shows but I’m not shelling out for Showtime just to watch Homeland, just like I wasn’t paying for Starz to solely to watch Boss.
My free Cinemax is up soon and I’m on the fence whether to renew. Strikeback is preposterously entertaining, Hunted was a legitimately good show, and the new one, Banshee, looks promising.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:38 AM
I have faith in Boardwalk Emire next year if it doesn’t turn into “The Vagina Monolgues with Margaret Schroder and Friends” again like this season
December 18th, 2012 at 9:39 AM
Until we better control the avenues that criminals use to get guns, I don’t want to make it any harder for regular folks to get them. We have to at least stay equal with the perps.
I agree with all of your points though. What about white collar felons? Don’t see the need to include them. I would say all violent criminals get no guns. Most of those are felons anyway though.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:40 AM
I’m thinking about suing HBO. HBOGO has a shockingly poor amount of skin movies in it’s library.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:41 AM
I saw this on my FB feed yesterday, and it bears repeating, especially the last sentence.
“folk’s any politician yammering about gun control preventing what happened in conn instead of focusing on the victims and the families at this point needs to be voted off the island….a real discussion of issues needs to happen you cant pass enough laws right now to fix the problem….but if all you jerks want to talk about is banning 1 of the 4 guns this insane person used…fine here is my 2 cents…I will vote for any law that bans…ALL guns as long as it also bans ALL Arabs from getting on planes….”
Yeah, I think I’ll dump this guy from my list.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:41 AM
Overacting? So he’s playing Peter Dinklage?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:42 AM
The argument that “well that wouldn’t have prevented this incident” needs to be retired. It has been a justification for inaction for far too long.
Lets start making reasonable changes now. Maybe it will prevent the mass murder 15 years from now. Wouldn’t it be worth it then?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:42 AM
The police and armed forces aren’t doing this?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:43 AM
The key to pigeons is making places where they don’t want to nest. There is a paintlike material that is very sticky. You buy this and put it on ledges and places where they’d roost. This will keep them out of certain places like ledges on historic buildings, churches, etc.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:44 AM
I’ve heard the same thing from other people. Are you seriously saying that most people are too stupid to follow the movie? What, exactly, was confusing about it? I feel like the people saying it was hard to follow are the same addle minded dolts who couldn’t wait to you that “Signs isn’t even about aliens, man.” Yeah, we know. If you thought that was confusing, well, that is an indictment of your intellect.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:45 AM
Agree. Gun control results have a lot in common with the stimulus program and healthcare costs. It’s very hard to accept the status quo as progress. We’ll never know how many jobs were saved because of the stimulus, or how much HC costs didn’t rise because of reform, or how many shootings were prevented because of gun control. We only really notice when the system fails.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:46 AM
The police and armed forces aren’t doing this?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:46 AM
fixed for another argument
December 18th, 2012 at 9:46 AM
Fully support assault weapons ban. Retroactive even. Make it illegal to own them and ask the public to turn those guns in.
Feds – “You bought this AR-15 three years ago. We’d like it back.”
Gun owner who purchased and registered the gun legally – “Um, I lost it. Sorry!”
mentally ill should not have gun ownership rights
I see this all the time and it is just rubbish if there is no definition as to what level of mentally ill. If you have any condition that falls with the covers of the DSM-5?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:47 AM
I wish the “They’re going to get them anyway” mindset applied to the drug war so we could disband the DEA and use those resources in a more productive manner
December 18th, 2012 at 9:47 AM
The scared white dude is something to behold. You can have a rifle, shotgun and hand gun to protect your house. Isn’t that enough? Like…if you need MORE than that, call the cops.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:48 AM
Again though, can’t we do both at once? Crack down on illegal weapon with massive mandatory punishments while also making it much harder for anyone to purchase a weapon? Or multiple weapons?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:48 AM
Oh to live in this world…
December 18th, 2012 at 9:49 AM
My brother in law is a cop. He has an assault rifle in his gun safe under lock and key. He doesn’t walk around with it deterring/combatting criminals. I don’t disagree we need to curtail avenues through which criminals get their guns, but “keeping up with them” isn’t solving a problem. It just means the mother of an unstable young man can legally own one under her roof.
John Q Public doesn’t need an assault rifle. When are they going to use it for some greater good of protecting the public?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:49 AM
the issue with tinker taylor is that the story is complex and many of the details take awhile to get exposed. it’s one of those movies where the details all connect and youre not going to get the payoff unless you see how each of the little branches connect.
i remember thinking during the ending scenes that if i hadnt known what was going on, all id have been watching is a bunch of people talking to each other. the beauty’s in the details…dont think mole was trying to be a dick saying that.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:49 AM
because nothing would save lives in a large gathering spot such as a school, mall, or movie theater, like a shootout.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:49 AM
You would think, especially since crime has dropped every year for a decade. But local news makes it seem like every town in America is the murder capital of the world. So, more guns.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:50 AM
They can’t claim that excuse – they’d have to report the missing weapon or face other charges.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:51 AM
But dude, what happens during a military coup? If we aren’t all armed to the teeth, the military will control the country.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:51 AM
Probably Nazir’s people when Brody was abducted.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:52 AM
I’d be for a law making it illegal to take guns off of your property. You can have one in your car and in your house (truth be told, I don’t think having one in your car is a necessity, but I digress) but if you take it anywhere else you run the risk of getting a harsh mandatory sentence/fine/whatever. Obviously I’m sure there are flaws to that, but I think it is worth discussing.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:52 AM
There will be no besmirching of the Imp in these parts.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:53 AM
Not even remotely saying people are too stupid to follow the movie. The complaint, and one that was common among critics (and La Carre himself) was that the material does not translate well into a two hour movie. The movie itself is slick and the overall plot of finding the mole is easy to follow, but the characters of Bland, Esterhase, and Alleline weren’t even remotely developed. They were faithful to the book in keeping all the characters, but they didn’t have enough time to explain why they were all there. It got muddled up, I don’t think it was the fault of any viewer who was wondering who the hell those people were, there was just so little explanation (explicit or implied) on several of the characters.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:53 AM
A lot of people appear to assume they’ll turn into James Bond in a fire fight
December 18th, 2012 at 9:53 AM
In one of the Ted Willaims books (not sure of Montville or Halberstam), there’s a story about how Ted had a annual tradition of showing up to Fenway with his rifle and would spend a day blowing away pigeons around the ballpark. They’d fill 1-2 garbage barrels with the pigeons.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:53 AM
Yeah, since when is the P(IMP) overacting? Dude is a baller.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:54 AM
HBO Go online for free.
/Not trying to be a consumer activist for cunts ruining the internet
December 18th, 2012 at 9:56 AM
Yeah, after reading Dirt’s comment about not being able to text and play iPad games while it started, I get it. You actually have to watch it vs. a normal Hollywood heist movie like Dark Knight.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:56 AM
I’ve heard the same thing from other people. Are you seriously saying that most people are too stupid to follow the movie? What, exactly, was confusing about it? I feel like the people saying it was hard to follow are the same addle minded dolts who couldn’t wait to you that “Signs isn’t even about aliens, man.” Yeah, we know. If you thought that was confusing, well, that is an indictment of your intellect.
that wasn’t what I was saying. I was saying that it’s very important to listen to the words that one British guy says to the other, and repeat that process.
You can’t just wait for the explosions to tell you the story. It’s not like it’s Denzel on a runaway train, where you don’t even need to hear the dialogue to recite the dialogue.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:57 AM
We should just keep giving up more rights and giving the government more power because a bunch of white kids died. Lets not just do a better job enforcing current law and look and mental health in this country.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:57 AM
You missed the point.
Sure. I’m saying we need to do them at least at the same time instead of actions that make it harder for me to go buy one legally if I chose, but yet leaving another big loophole in place where criminals are buying guns? The guns show route maybe?
Agree, ban those immediately. I agree with MikeNYC from yesterday. Handguns (and maybe shotguns) are sufficient for home defense.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:57 AM
i watched the beginning of safe house right afterwards…the contrast in execution between the two torture scenes was quite funny back-to-back like that. tinker tailor’s was suspenseful and unsettling even without much blood while i was laughing during denzel’s waterboarding at the hands of a fat version of robert patrick.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:57 AM
“Where’d you learn about trains old man? From inventing them?”
December 18th, 2012 at 9:58 AM
I hadn’t read the book but thought they did a good job of creating a screenplay for Tinker Tailor. Espionage, largely, is terribly difficult to do properly in a film. It also, like cop movies and westerns, draws poorly given the necessary budgets.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:58 AM
Dude…they took a weekend course that involved not getting shot at and not getting surprised while they were perusing the popcorn options at a movie theater, shopping at Von Maur or doing arts and crafts before recess. They’ve got this.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:58 AM
Which would prevent…what?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:59 AM
jesus christ…spelled tailor “taylor” way too much. i blame football.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:59 AM
Well I live in the suburbs of DC, so yeah, it really is that way here.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:59 AM
You have a right to a musket, not an AR-15. Settle down, Rambo.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:59 AM
Maybe everyone doesn’t give their assault weapon back, but a lot of people would right? Wouldn’t that be worth it rather than just poo-pooing the idea because some people would choose to lie and break the law.
As far as mentally ill… I agree that is harder to define, but the aurora shooter and va tech shooters had psychiatrists. Those psychs should have been able to put them on gun warning lists. The mental health aspect can not be ignored, but lets not use it as an excuse to ignore gun reform. We have to address them both.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:59 AM
What about hunting? Makes sense for urban areas.
Coming around to Spencer’s idea that mental health is a huge issue in this, tax the hell out of ammo and guns and fund mental health programs.
Only in America where you have a cold war between idiots and local media narratives.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:59 AM
Watched that movie on a plane without any sound and followed it without a problem. What a film.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:00 AM
Just another excuse to put more people in our already overcrowded prisons.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:00 AM
Well, first of all, there would mandatory frisk points. Which if done by a 19 year old hot Oriental, I’m all for. So there’s that.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:01 AM
That is definitely true but what I was saying is that even actively watching it I think there were superfluous characters that screwed up the first and third acts.
It’s not crazy to think that something which was previously a seven hour miniseries wouldn’t translate perfectly to a two hour movie when you don’t cut any of the characters or plot out.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:01 AM
People who commit gun crimes should be in prison for a very long time. Drug users should not.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:01 AM
Watched that movie on a plane without any sound and followed it without a problem. What a film.
me, the same. On a plane, no headphones, wouldn’t have even wanted them. I knew the beginning, the middle, the end, and all the words. If I’d have had a stopwatch, I could have timed the scenes between rosario dawson appearances, because that movie was filmed on autopilot
December 18th, 2012 at 10:01 AM
I hate this argument. If that’s the truth, then press has the right to delivering their content by horseback.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:01 AM
totally…it’s so subtle. for example, the little exhaust fan thing that they used to signal if the coast was clear or not…in the movie they have to have a cut scene showing the exhaust. very hard not to hamfist it.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:02 AM
I don’t understand the assault rifle tangent. I agree they serve little purpose, but think about the crime in Newtown. That guy absolutely did not need an assault rifle to commit that horror. Two pistols and a bunch of ammunition would’ve accomplished similar results.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:02 AM
You don’t come into my dojo, drop a challenge and leave, old man.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:02 AM
It would make the act of carrying a gun so risky that it would take a percentage off of the streets. Sure, there will still be guns on the streets (when you put so many into the population, getting the genie back in the bottle is impossible) but saying it wouldn’t have an effect is silly. As Whitlock (whom I don’t like, mind you) said, guns give people reason to be confrontational. This is more about shootings in Chicago then mass shooting like Conn, though.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:02 AM
That poor horse who gets assigned to Candy Crowley. That poor, poor, horse.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:02 AM
To be fair, that 7 hours could’ve easily been 4.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:03 AM
agreed…and that assualt rifle was basically an overgrown pistol.
one of the better takes i read came from a navy SEAL.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:04 AM
I am treading very lightly into this assault rifle topic… but couldn’t a person take certain handguns and make the necessary adjustments to modify clip size and alter from semi-to full automatic?
December 18th, 2012 at 10:04 AM
Heard that some lately. Love how the left are suddenly strict constructionists in the style of Scalia/Thomas when it comes to guns now.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:04 AM
Don’t get me wrong I did love the movie though. A lot of the British press threw a shit fit that Oldman got that role because he’s not short or fat but I thought it worked perfectly. Thought Hardy was absolutely perfect as Tarr, as well.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:04 AM
Yeah, we should make it easier for him to do it. Since it’s possible to cause havoc with a handgun, we might as well make it more efficient and give him a military-style weapon.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:04 AM
do you think this would act as a deterrent for people to seek psychiatric help? if they get singled out for it? can see an ACLU lawsuit there.
I agree completely though. Makes sense. Which is exactly why it can’t happen. You are violating their rights, I guess will be the counter.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:05 AM
jesus fucking christ, an ar-15 is not a rambo gun. it’s a .22.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:05 AM
We would but you know that whole Medicaid issue most libertarians have a problem with? Well…hospitals and the like can’t get the funding required to properly diagnose and treat those people.
Maybe we should have an additional tax on guns that would help fund treatment for people who can’t afford it. I’m sure you’d be in support of it.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:06 AM
Spot on.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:06 AM
Works both ways, though. Suddenly the Right isn’t so strict at all.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:07 AM
jesus christ…spelled tailor “taylor” way too much.
You’ve been writing about the Dandy Warhols a lot lately?
December 18th, 2012 at 10:07 AM
Not by making guns more available.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:07 AM
The Va Tech shooter was deemed mentally ill by the Commonwealth of Virginia but because he was a voluntary commit when he was diagnosed he wasn’t banned.
There has been improvement since then in states reporting people who should be on the warning lists. What’s sad is the government had to incentivize that.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:08 AM
I absolutely don’t give a shit about assault rifles, but the only thing that would’ve been more difficult for the guy would be that he had to change clips more often. That’s it.
I don’t mind people creating/enforcing stricter gun laws in the assault rifle arena, but that isn’t going to prevent anything. That’s all I’m saying.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:08 AM
God damn gubmint getting on in my shit!!
December 18th, 2012 at 10:08 AM
Throughout history, courts have defined parameters around what we consider rights. There is no such thing as absolute free speech, just as you are not allowed to own whatever type of weapon you want.
I just don’t understand why people think the founding fathers were infallible. Even they didn’t believe that, which is why they built in mechanisms for changing their vision of America.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:09 AM
but the kid had already committed two felonies simply by having those weapons on him. clearly, any type of legal or diplomatic resolution wasn’t in the cards…the kid tried to get a gun legally earlier and was rebuffed. it doesnt matter how many guns are out there if someone’s determined to find one to go to these extreme measures.
i get what youre saying, it makes sense, it’s logical…i just dont think that’s the entire story. we should be thinkking about what drove this kid to do this, not what tools he used to execute (pardon the horrible choice of words) that plan.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:10 AM
If that makes you feel better. There’s like 300+ million guns in the country already. The black market will just bring in more. I’m sure you outraged on your soap box when your Gov’t was giving these assault weapons to cartels in Mexico.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:10 AM
Spencer you know good and damn well there’s a huge difference between a .233 Remington and a .22 LR
December 18th, 2012 at 10:11 AM
Right wing nutters today: GUNS AREN’T THE PROBLEM IT’S MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE!! WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB DIAGNOSING THESE PEOPLE AND GETTING THEM TREATMENT
Right wing nutters last week: I WANT LOWER TAXES THE GOVERNMENT HAS ENOUGH MONEY!! FUCK HEALTHCARE THESE PEOPLE NEED TO PULL THEMSELVES UP BY THEIR BOOTSTRAPS AND PAY FOR THIS SHIT THEMSELVES!
December 18th, 2012 at 10:11 AM
It will prevent the loss of life. Even if it means one life is spared because homeboy reload to slowly or runs out of ammo quicker, it’s worth it. This is the disconnect I think people have.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:11 AM
I guess his plan is to drop all of the restrictions of a “police state” and just allow the chips to fall where they may.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:11 AM
And actually, what does the 2nd Amendment say? The right to bear arms and that’s it? Wasn’t a later Act passed that specifically described muskets?
Either way, that musket argument does not fly. At all.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:12 AM
An AR-15 Bushmaster is just a .22. Yup.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:13 AM
i know that there’s really not a difference in what type of bullet someone shoots someone with at point blank range. if that’s what they wanna do, they’d do it regardless if they had to use a ww2 era mauser.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:13 AM
Even if you foolishly believe that larger clips and magazines don’t make it easier to kill people, still, why should these things be around? What is their purpose? Make a logical argument for why we NEED these.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:14 AM
no, actually his plan is a little ridiculous and makes you wonder what agenda someone who likely collects a paycheck from a “security contractor” is pushing.
but it was a sensible take, that’s all.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:14 AM
You know we’re allowed to build more.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:14 AM
Well that was depressing as shit…guess just play the odds that it won’t happen to you
December 18th, 2012 at 10:14 AM
That’s true. Though at the same time, this is the same rifle used in the Beltway Sniper murders.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:15 AM
I don’t think an argumentum ad passiones is going to work in this case either. I understand the sentiment, but on the same hand, how many lives would be spared if we lowered speed limits to 45 on the Interstate?
December 18th, 2012 at 10:15 AM
i got nothin. completely agree.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:15 AM
This must be that “intelligent discourse” you were talking about earlier.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:15 AM
Obviously related to the discussion
December 18th, 2012 at 10:15 AM
Spence – how many guns have you fired? I ask because it is much harder to be an accurate shot with a handgun. Most hunting rifles only carry a few rounds. But assault weapons give you the best of both worlds – accurate shoulder mounted shot and large clips. These are war weapons. They don’t need to be in anyone’s hands (outside of law enforcement and military).
Improvements in technology aren’t the sole cause of these horrors, but I’ll be damned if you can convince me it doesn’t exacerbate the carnage.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:15 AM
Has the NRA (or anyone else for that matter) actually put forth a case where a “real semi-automatic is needed? I guess with a large clip as well if those are legal? What sensible reason could there be? The operative word being “sensible”.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:17 AM
You already spend $68 Billion a year.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:17 AM
It’s really expensive to house these bastards.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:18 AM
It’s not wrong, though. These people hate the government. They want lower taxes and an end to “Obamacare.” Yet at the same time they think we should have a much better mental health treatment system in America and more cops at schools. How do you reconcile that hypocrisy?
I’m not sure they’ve ever had to.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:18 AM
OH THIS GUN LOOKS TOUGH, OBVIOUSLY IT’S NOT SHOOTING A TINY BULLET.
for fuck’s sake dude.
i mean, it’s still a rifle and there was still malicious intent. not sure what exactly that’s supporting.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:19 AM
It typically costs $8 to $10 million to build a prison. So you’re talking 0.01 percent of your budget. It’d be like someone making $50k a year find another $5 to spend on something.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:20 AM
Private clinics and private security firms?
December 18th, 2012 at 10:21 AM
a lot, but mostly handguns. i agree with everything you said in terms of how ar-15′s are used and the advantages over a hunting rifle, and having shot one, it’s like driving a porsche (considering i only have hunting rifles to compare against), but you gotta look at intent…
these are small children that were probably frozen terrified…it woudlnt have mattered what gun lanza used.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:21 AM
I think this is the compromise point. If the pro-gun crowd wants people off their back, they should compromise in these fringe areas.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:22 AM
He’s not talking initial cost. The maintenance and housing of prisoners is where the majority of cost is incurred.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:22 AM
I think a huge hurdle we are facing is ultimately politicians are going to have to stand up to the lobbies. They traditionally have not had the sack to do that.
“We have to protect our phoney-baloney jobs gentlemen.”
/Mel Brooks’d
December 18th, 2012 at 10:22 AM
The biggest operating cost in any prison is actually the education programs.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:22 AM
It’s not shooting a tiny bullet though (but yes the point of what it looks like is irrelevant I agree).
That it’s a more effective killing machine.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:23 AM
the large magazine/clip thing could be the linchpin for a compromise…it’s an incredibly practical step towardss finding at least some kind of solution since both sides can at least somewhat agree.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:23 AM
This I agree with…although adults could have pounced during a reload. The reason you rarely see mass fatalities with a knife attack is because the perp can be subdued by just one person. Multiple people and the guy stands little chance. With a gun, especially one with a large clip, you’ve got almost no chance.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:24 AM
We really should equate a creation made for the sole purpose of killing something to one made for getting from point A to point B.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:24 AM
i’ll cede that to you and big oil.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:25 AM
The reason the ban is no longer in place is because both sides failed to agree and because both sides were terrified of doing it in an election year. There are a bunch of democrats who are in league with the gun lobbies.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:27 AM
indeed, but on NPR this morning they had a few clips of repub’s, some with high NRA rankings (whatever that means), taking a more measured stance on gun control, even those that used 2nd ammendment rights as one of their big selling points.
it’s at least SOMETHING.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:27 AM
Sad reality right here. Congress is filled with people who care nothing about anything other than getting re-elected.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:27 AM
To me, just banning large clips isn’t nearly enough. I’m sure that’s all that will happen, but that’s weak sauce.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:28 AM
I dislike the NRA for the same reason I dislike teachers unions. We need more reason in our society.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:29 AM
Then RUN. Get in office. Do your thing. You are a bright guy. Have some ambition. Do something about it.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:29 AM
Traveling 45 mph does get you from point A to point B. I’m just kidding. That wasn’t intended to be an equation on my part. Just a reference point for appealing to emotion.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:29 AM
Ummm, yeah. This could be applied to most every other national issue we are facing. If you aren’t pissing some people off, you probably aren’t doing your job as an elected official.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:29 AM
About 0.013 inches?
Also… some of us need semi-auto rifles because it’s often really hard to find left-handed bolt-action rifles.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:30 AM
Yep, but the idea is harm reduction. Just as drinking bac is lowered for driving there should be “safer” guns and restrictions on obtaining them/carrying them.
Ima ’bout to fix this bitch:
The idea that criminals could still get guns illegally is perfect, arrest them for a crime before it is violent. Seriously how many fucking deer can you shoot to kill in one sitting? No sensible person wants to mow down beer like Jessie Ventura in the fucking jungle. There should not be any auto weapons. Some of the ammo itself is fucked, hits and spreads shrapnel? Fuck that, it would spoil the meat so take that off. Work with gun community and sensibly decide what is for tiny penis Falling Back fetishist and what is for hunting, keeping the king of England from pushing you around.
Biggest deterrent to gun crime is ending the war on drugs, divert that money to mental health programs and disarmament.
Sorry buddy, you don’t get to have the gun from Rambo just like I don’t get to have a tiger. Honduras is creating Ayn Rand free zones, have at it.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:31 AM
1. People with mental health issues != healthy, sane, grown adults who are just too lazy/incompetent/unmotivated to do anything with their own lives. There is no hypocrisy, just you purposely conflating two entirely different issues.
2. re: “more cops” in school and elsewhere, again — the problem is not the total number of public sector employees, it’s the (largely union-influenced) renumeration system that allows this kind of bullshit:
State police officers in Pennsylvania collected checks as big as $190,000 for unused vacation and personal leave as they retired young enough to start second careers, while Virginia paid active officers as much as $109,000 in overtime alone, the data show.December 18th, 2012 at 10:31 AM
counterpoint: but i want a tiger.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:31 AM
Signs wasn’t about aliens?
December 18th, 2012 at 10:31 AM
I doubt they say the same thing in 6 months, when it won’t look as bad. Even the memory of dead children fades.
You see a lot more people complaining about the inconvenience of airport security than you do thankful it even slightly decreases the chance of another 9/11-type attack.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:32 AM
Great thought, but no one with any good ideas will get elected to anything of consequence. You need the backing of a party, and if you don’t play by the rules, you are setting your money on fire.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:34 AM
Can’t tell if serious.
In diameter, yes. The .233 is over an inch longer than the .22 LR and has a LOT more power behind it.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:34 AM
My running wouldn’t change that, though. That’s why “everyday people” don’t run. Getting in the game is too expensive. The money you have to raise is immense. For example, say I wanted to run for my local city council in Fayetteville, GA (where I grew up). You’d think you wouldn’t need a ton of cash for that, but there are business owners in the area who fund people who will do their bidding. So you’d need to raise (mind you, in tiny ass Fayetteville, Ga) thousands of dollars to contend with the 3-4 king makers in the town. Few people can do that. There’s a reason people in power fear independently wealthy candidates willing to spend their money.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:35 AM
Are people advocating more gun control in response to this tragedy saying all semi-automatic weapons should be banned? I’m not saying I disagree/agree, but that is a huge step. Or are you suggesting the cosmetic appeal of an ‘assault’ style rifle which makes it really no different than any other semi-automatic rifle, is the problem?
Or are you all realizing that just a few short months/years ago we were all marveling over the automatic shotgun video on youtube.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:35 AM
Anyone who isn’t concerned about getting re-elected isn’t going to accomplish anything in Congress.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:35 AM
Honduras.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:36 AM
Then I’m usually not. I’m only serious in the sense that .013 is the literal difference in diameter. Obviously what is behind it determines a lot of the lethality.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:36 AM
But a BAR is a different beast than a Bushmaster.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:38 AM
Soused –
You still around. Thought of your rant(s) yesterday. Auburn sent me my season ticket/contribution renewal form. They had a chart breakdown of what it costs on average, per yer, to pay for a student athlete. From books right through gameday operations, equipment, etc. It’s pretty damn expensive.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:38 AM
I’m just saying, my .22 is a semi-auto, simply because I couldn’t find a lefty bolt-action. Though in reality, having the ability to fire multiple shots is very nice if you are facing a particularly nasty groundhog.
/still hasn’t gotten a shot at him
December 18th, 2012 at 10:40 AM
No…but only because that’s not realistic or practical.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:40 AM
The Kilborn link insinuates that he was canned for Stewart and does not mention that he left for the CBS Late Late Show gig. C’mon, be fair to Craiggers. Loved his Daily Show when I was in high school.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:41 AM
you should blame your musical preferences. we all know you’re a Taylor Swift fan.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:42 AM
Union membership is at a 70 year low, wages in the private sector are stagnant and with growing inequality/rising consumer debt you will have quicker market crashes. Not all corporations are evil cunts like Dow and Monsanto, just as not all organized labour is greedy or lazy(is that seriously the charge?). Toronto Police were asked to reduce or maintain their budget, they found $700,000 savings in changing their dry cleaning. What the fuck? We need leaders with a backbone and will to stand up to private lobbyists (removing food labels, privatized prisons) and across the idealogical perspective keeping unions in from hurting themselves (fucking saving $700,000 in dry cleaning you jay walking ticketing me cunts fuck you).
/Gave a fake name with my jay walking ticket
//Stupid risk but I was very angry
December 18th, 2012 at 10:43 AM
That Economist article is wonderfully bonkers. If you want Ayn Rand nuttery, just play Bioshock.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:48 AM
Can you expand on these please?
December 18th, 2012 at 10:48 AM
Which begs the question do we need term limits, but there are plusses and minuses to that.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:55 AM
I was under the assumption that everything currently airing on CNN is a news-satire show.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:59 AM
Well, it was the Chiefs and Raiders. What did he have to fear?
December 18th, 2012 at 11:01 AM
I am a gun owner, hunter and NRA member (for now), and even I can’t justify opposition to reasonable controls on assault weapons and large magazine semi-automatic handguns. Assault weapons simply aren’t used for hunting and home protection does not require the ability to shoot off 15+ rounds. In fact, the best weapon for home protection would be a sawed off shot gun.
I currently hunt with a Browing 7mm-08. It holds 4 bullets in an interior magazine with one in the chamber. Also need to engage the bolt before every shot (i.e. not semi-auto). In 30 or so years of hunting, I have never fired more than 2 consecutive rounds in any “session” of hunting. I have never been in a position where I felt that I missed a shot, either because I could not get off a second shot fast enough or because I ran out of ammo. You simply don’t need multi-cartridge clips or automatic actions to hunt.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:05 AM
Follow to my earlier comment (this is getting too long):
Gun control isn’t going to happen any time soon in this country. It will either require a constitutional amendment (not likely) or significant turnover on the Supreme Court. The recent cases of DC v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago have clearly shown that the conservative wing of the Court has no intention of upholding even minimal regulations of the 2nd amendment. Gonna have to wait for some of these guys to retire or die.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:05 AM
I’ve actually met the guy, when he was a state legislator and later governor. My take on him: nice guy, but he put the goober in gubernatorial.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:06 AM
Ferguson taking over Late Late Show was the best thing to happen to late-night TV since Letterman debuted.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:08 AM
Agreed. Surprised so many people choose a handgun. If I’m away and someone breaks in while my wife is alone, I’d much rather her have access to a sawed off than a handgun, especially because she’ll likely be panicked.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:09 AM
Well, it was about really dumb aliens who traveled billions of miles to invade a planet but are unable to discern that planet is 70 percent covered by the one thing they fear the most.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:18 AM
It’s the school’s books, their professors, their dorms. They’re not adding anything additional for the sake of athletics, and they aren’t placing scholarship athletes into slots at the sake of non student athletes. Contrast that with television deals, one of the largest, if not the largest advertising sources for prospective students and alumni, schools are making much more money off of these kids than what they are supposedly spending on them.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:27 AM
I remember the first time I got a per diem check for winter break as a freshman. I went on a spending spree at Phipps Plaza.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:27 AM
test?
December 18th, 2012 at 11:35 AM
Tried to post twice and it didn’t work.
Most schools bend over backwards to spend all the money they take in. Texas spends $23 million on game day expenses with the next highest being $7 million. Kentucky manages to spend $170,000 per player per basketball game. OSU funds so many acronym programs I have no clue where the money all goes. Coaches though have exorbitant salaries on the backs of a lucrative cheap labour force. Capping coaching salary and benefits in conjunction to lowering NCAA payroll ($50 million for just over 400 staff)is more than enough to afford wages. Travel expenses can be greatly reduced with consistent and intelligent scheduling. Paying out the ass for playing opponents is out. Cost and revenue is shared among all teams like those crazy sociali$t NFL bastards.
Absurd a TV contract worth $677 billion can’t afford minimum wage for part time seasonal workers.
Let’s say it is impossible to pay the players (can’t separate profit from the over 400,000 student athletes who are cost, title 9) than you might as well eliminate student fees and add to the tuition fund.
Personally I find it bullshit that the large and fast should used to subsidize some asshole studying post-modernism but it is a lesser evil than Mark Browns’ salary and benefit package.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:43 AM
Well, it was about really dumb aliens who
traveled billions of miles to invade a
planet but are unable to discern that
planet is 70 percent covered by the one
thing they fear the most.
Yeah that always bothered me.
OT/ They Live is my all time favorite movie. Greatest fight scene of all time in the alley as well.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:47 AM
The South Park spoof is absolutely fantastic as well
December 18th, 2012 at 11:48 AM
Why shouldn’t a coach be paid so highly if he turns the program into more of a cash cow?
December 18th, 2012 at 11:52 AM
Is this legal?
December 18th, 2012 at 11:53 AM
who the fuck is Mark Brown?
December 18th, 2012 at 11:54 AM
1. Non profit
2. Non taxed
3. There not “cash cows” as apparently all money goes back into schools
4. How would you possible argue for greater coaching wages when the players themselves have negligible compenstation
5. UCF charges $18 million annually in student fees
6. If coaches want private sector money head to the NFL and stay there and stop being duplicitous sluts.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:55 AM
I assume someone who gets a great deal of misspelled hate messages.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:01 PM
I don’t see how money going back to the school supports your argument, or how a net profit is bad for anyone involved
December 18th, 2012 at 12:06 PM
In fact, the best weapon for home protection would be a sawed off shot gun
Is this legal?
No. But if you’re talking about effective home protection it is definitely the most efficient. As Queef alluded to, you are likely panicked, and a short barrel shot gun allows you to “point and shoot” with maximum coverage and lethal force. Too easy to miss with a hand gun when you are shaking all over the place.
As always, it ain’t easy to kill a man!
December 18th, 2012 at 12:10 PM
Non-profit, think of it as the charity, the charity could either pay their volunteers or actually fund their cause (education apparently) if the executives didn’t have $10 million dollar salary and benefit packages.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:17 PM
Ya, but I’m assuming there is less competition within the charity executive market. To use the most extreme example, Alabama is exponentially more well-off paying Saban’s exorbitant salary than it would be paying peanuts to a fledgling coach
/knows nothing of charity executive market
December 18th, 2012 at 12:22 PM
Didn’t realize their staff was that large. And yet they still haven’t gotten around to ruling on Myck Kabongo and Orlando Sanchez????
December 18th, 2012 at 12:23 PM
Good coaches can get paid in the NFL. Charlie Weis got paid $2.5 million this year not including benefits.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:26 PM
Only 32 jobs, but that’s beside the point. I’m unsure who you’re blaming. Why would schools be doling out such big money if it didn’t make financial sense?
December 18th, 2012 at 12:26 PM
One of these things is not like the other.
I like your description of him yesterday as Portly Charlie. That should stick.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:27 PM
in 2008 Texas athletic department spent $17 million on coaching, $7 million into tuition and took in $44 million in ticket sales.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:28 PM
Not a rational market.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:28 PM
Exactly. I consider that money well spent
December 18th, 2012 at 12:33 PM
Enough to pay the players or pay more into the tuition fund and it would be the same.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:36 PM
Mack Brown is the example because he is a terrible coach, a fucking Bluetick Coonhound as coach would have brought in at least same amount of money. No one is paying to see Mack Brown.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:38 PM
You’re cherry picking with your stats, though. Revenue at Texas is far from representative. What were Iowa St.’s numbers? UConn’s? Purdue’s?
December 18th, 2012 at 12:41 PM
Blueticks are awesome though. If Tejas were bring a bluetick in, it would just be another attempt to copy the real UT.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:41 PM
This just isn’t true. Last few years have been lean, but he’s been to two national championship games, winning one
December 18th, 2012 at 12:46 PM
The revenue is wholly misleading as they have to spend it. Texas has to blow $23 million on game day expenses alone. The more revenue for a team literally the more money they have to piss away. WSU might take in only a pittance from tickets but still managed to give Mike Leech a $2 million a year contract as the conference has a lucrative TV real with the pac 12.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:47 PM
It was the players brah.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Imagine how much better politicians would be if we paid them $10 million in salary?
/Wanking
December 18th, 2012 at 12:54 PM
Entire cost for minimum wage WSU players is about $330,000 a season, decreasing Leech’s compensation 50% would pay for the next 3 years. Even easier in terms of reducing rosters, NCAA salaries and reducing travel expenses through better scheduling.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:12 PM
Take an example of lowest coach staff costs with Louisiana Monroe at $2 million, with $900,00 travel cost.
Revenue $11,661,727 with expenses as $10,164,038. Without using the profit decreasing coaching salaries and benefits 15% and saving $30,000 on travel (use fucking coupons or something) would be enough to fund the average salary of $330,000 for players.
Let’s take the smallest operating budget with North Texas:
$11,259,222 revenue $18,935,422 in expenses. Well fuck their $7 million in the hole those crazy Mean Green bastards.
$4 million in coaching salary? Team travel is $1.7 million? Is this program run by children? How can you spend that much? $257,000 in recruiting? I am sorry I cannot fix teams run by children. Fuck you North Texas you retarded bastards. With profit sharing, coach capped salary and smarter scheduling I can almost make them break even. If you want to get paid don’t go to North Texas.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:12 PM
Inane statement within the context of college football. The coach is responsible for the entirety of the program
Not analogous at all. Politics may be the least merit-based profession in the world. Let’s see who can do a better job of tricking the public! Now campaign managers? That’s a different story
December 18th, 2012 at 1:18 PM
Recruiting is a great deal like political ad spending, it’s an arms race. Recruiting spending in now capped, I’m sorry but recruits will no longer receive 700 letters everyday and coaches can Google video chat. What a post-apocalyptic world whereby grown men have to talk to teenagers using the internet.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
Your saying $23 million Mack Brown does a better job because he is paid more, that is not true. Even if it was true who cares as wouldn’t the players play better if they’re paid using the same logic?
December 18th, 2012 at 1:21 PM
So you’re saying “To Catch a Predator” revolutionized recruiting?