Mick Cronin, Cincinnati Basketball Coach: “the players need to get paid”

All, College Basketball Jason McIntyre December 17th. 2012, 11:51am

Mick Cronin, the Cincinnati basketball coach who is clearly unhappy at the conference realignment mess, is sick of the greed in college athletics. Everyone is profiting, except the athletes. Here’s what Cronin told the Cincinnati Enquirer:

I’ve thought about this long and hard and I’ve waited to say this. If it’s all about this much money and money grabbing, the players need to get paid.”

What set Cronin off: Seven Catholic, non-FBS schools left the Big East to form their own basketball conference. The Bearcats – who just hired Tommy Tuberville and have a basketball team unbeaten in the Top 10 with eight of their 10 wins by double figures – are probably going to have to settle for transferring to Conference USA or something in the coming weeks. [Cincinnati.com]

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85 Responses to “Mick Cronin, Cincinnati Basketball Coach: “the players need to get paid””

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Sir Spicious Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 11:53 AM
What set Cronin off: Seven Catholic, non-FBS schools left the Big East to form their own basketball conference. The Bearcats – who just hired Tommy Tuberville and have a basketball team unbeaten in the Top 10 with eight of their 10 wins by double figures – are probably going to have to settle for transferring to Conference USA or something in the coming weeks.
paying players wouldn’t have changed their need to find a new conference.
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spencer096 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 11:54 AM
that suit looks like shit.
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Babar 2.0 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 11:55 AM
Sounds like he’s jealous of the money football brings in.
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vajayjay redick Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 11:56 AM
Ned Schneebly!
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PeerLessPrices Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 11:57 AM
that suit looks like weak gear.
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Badger Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 11:57 AM
Why don’t I just take a whiz through this five thousand dollar suit?
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GloriousMullet Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 11:58 AM
Seven Catholic, non-FBS schools
Catholics are the worst.
/You’re going down Notre Taint
//Roll Tide
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KC Resident Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 11:58 AM
that suit looks like shit.
I think he watched Wall St. too many times.
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rittyrich Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 11:58 AM
I’ve decided I’m fully on board with paying the players instead of giving them scholarships.
Just write them a blank check for $25k at the beginning of the year and say, here you go, don’t forget textbooks.
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spencer096 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 11:58 AM
Why don’t I just take a whiz through this five thousand dollar suit?
hahaha.
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GloriousMullet Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 11:58 AM
Ned Schneebly!
Whoa, good call
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Jim Harbaugh Scramble Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:00 PM
that suit looks like shit.
the coaches need to get paid.
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:00 PM
/You’re going down Notre Taint
//Roll Tide
Fuck yeah!
Pay the labour.
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spencer096 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:00 PM
I think he watched Wall St. too many times.
looks like this time…
/sunglasses
…money fell asleep.
/YYEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
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Sir Spicious Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:00 PM
Why don’t I just take a whiz through this five thousand dollar suit?
yeah, like the guy in the $5000 suit is going to hold the elevator for a guy that doesn’t make that much in a month. C’MON!
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Babar 2.0 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:00 PM
Just write them a blank check for $25k at the beginning of the year and say, here you go, don’t forget textbooks.
So Stanford wins the title every year just based on eligibility.
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ButtersBC Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:01 PM
I’ve decided I’m fully on board with paying the players instead of giving them scholarships.
Isn’t a scholarship essentially just a way for the university to filter athletic department money back to the school? It doesn’t appear to be a real expense to the level of looking at what other students pay in tuition
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Babar 2.0 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:01 PM
That suit does have some robust shoulder pads…it may be a woman’s suit.
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spencer096 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:02 PM
That suit does have some robust shoulder pads…it may be a woman’s suit.
why did pat summitt have her pantsuits made with extra room in the crotch?
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:02 PM
Just write them a blank check for $25k at the beginning of the year and say, here you go, don’t forget textbooks.
Weekly based on hourly minimum wage.
/Bonus see how fast minimum wage gets raised
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rittyrich Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:03 PM
So Stanford wins the title every year just based on eligibility.
It would definitely put a premium on recruiting smart(ish) students or at least ones with some decent family oversight.
Isn’t a scholarship essentially just a way for the university to filter athletic department money back to the school? It doesn’t appear to be a real expense to the level of looking at what other students pay in tuition
Off the top of my head, I don’t think this is true, but I’m not positive.
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sctrojans Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:05 PM
It would definitely put a premium on recruiting smart(ish) students or at least ones with some decent family oversight.
This would be the death of college football
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KC Resident Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:06 PM
On a side note, people ask why it’s always white people who do this and why it never happens in black schools, and that’s because black people hold two guns sideways when they shoot, like in the movies, and they scream “come get some motherfucka” the whole time. Compton would have a 100 percent murder rate if those guys would spend an hour a week at a gun range.
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rittyrich Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:07 PM
This would be the death of college football
Probably. But man would that be one big “told ya so” to the ignorant “pay the players” arguments.
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:07 PM
Weekly based on hourly minimum wage.
/Bonus see how fast minimum wage gets raised
So I love this idea, good luck recruiting Georgia($5.15) against Washington $9.04.
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ThatsSoTaguchi (Now With Zip) Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:07 PM
I just read Tyler Durden for the day as well KC.
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:09 PM
Probably. But man would that be one big “told ya so” to the ignorant “pay the players” arguments.
I’m not saying it wouldn’t just that the present system uses serf labour which is immoral.
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rittyrich Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:09 PM
So I love this idea, good luck recruiting Georgia($5.15) against Washington $9.04.
$9.04? You serious, Clark?
Obviously it would be federally mandated…somehow.
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Nada Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:10 PM
/ OT
Holiday cheer, Sousedbergin department: “While visions of sugar-plums danced in their heads …”
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rittyrich Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:10 PM
I’m not saying it wouldn’t just that the present system uses serf labour which is immoral.
Serfdom in which you receive a hugh benefit is not immoral.
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Nada Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:11 PM
Mick Cronin
Didn’t he used to be in REO Speedwagon?
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Babar 2.0 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:12 PM
$9.04? You serious, Clark?
San Francisco is $10.24…possible resurgence of USF Basketball.
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sctrojans Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:13 PM
Serfdom in which you receive a hugh benefit is not immoral.
Exactly. I’d have loved to be a serf in college, if it meant getting a $200,000 education comped
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KC Resident Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:14 PM
I just read Tyler Durden for the day as well KC.
Yeah, he updates it about twice a day now. Not sure what is going on. I think the guy said he has serious health problems.
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:14 PM
Serfdom in which you receive a hugh benefit is not immoral.
Hugh benefit sounds like hooker AIDS.
Disagree as it is enriching few through the labour of others, literally exploitative. Also disagree that they receive a “huge” benefit, degree worth is unbelievably diluted and the demands of the sport often means studying something of almost zero worth.
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ThatsSoTaguchi (Now With Zip) Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:15 PM
I want to pay the players and, as a still somewhat infrequent commenter, I’m embarrassed by the Lena Dunham/Mindy Kaling discussion in the don’t call the President N******R in a public forum thread. I’ll show myself out.
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Black Douglas Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:15 PM
Ban all athletic scholarships.
Forcing the pros to create minor leagues.
Allowing actual students to play for their colleges.
/team pay the “minor leaguers.”
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rittyrich Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:15 PM
San Francisco is $10.24…possible resurgence of USF Basketball.
So is the $5 footlong called a $10 footlong at Subways in SF?
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dikembemutomballs Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:18 PM
Cronin’s a bitch. My apologies to the gentleman at Illinois that all season I was thinking was Cronin because he was bald and high strung…Nowhere near as obnoxious, though.
As for Cincy – Same as UCONN turned a blind eye to Calhoun, Cincy turned a blind eye to Bob Huggins and his 0 percent graduation rate. Football-wise they’re maybe the third or fourth most prestigious program…In the state….that crap costs you. Is what it is.
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dikembemutomballs Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:19 PM
Holy crap is that Sean Salisbury on the ad to the right that keeps annoyingly throwing sound up? Do we have a ‘Sean Salisbury is Employed’ sighting?
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sctrojans Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:19 PM
demands of the sport often means studying something of almost zero worth.
True for dumb athletes, but not true in general
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rittyrich Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:19 PM
Disagree as it is enriching few through the labour of others, literally exploitative. Also disagree that they receive a “huge” benefit, degree worth is unbelievably diluted and the demands of the sport often means studying something of almost zero worth.
Whether there is enrichment or not, the sport would still be played. Enrichment is a byproduct of a minority of schools.
The degree is diluted, sure, but it’s also something their classmates (or at least their parents) are still paying big bucks for. And there are countless stories about athletes who still study demanding majors. Regardless, graduating in General Studies for free has more economic benefit than graduating from high school.
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sctrojans Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:20 PM
Same as UCONN turned a blind eye to Calhoun
This is an NCAA myth
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:22 PM
So is the $5 footlong called a $10 footlong at Subways in SF?
Consumer debt and stagnant wages since the seventies guy.
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abartel Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:22 PM
Why do I get the feeling that Cronin wouldn’t be so upset about conference realignment if UC had gotten an invite to the ACC?
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MP III Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:22 PM
Exactly. I’d have loved to be a serf in college, if it meant getting a $200,000 education comped
yeah, comped in exchange for playing a game.
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Cowboy Mike's Old Original Red Hot Ricochet Barbeque Sauce Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:24 PM
The University of Cincinnati keeps raising tuition prices and cutting programs (eliminated Computer Science altogether this year) to make up for lack of funding. But yeah I agree the pressing issue they should address is giving money to people getting free rides.
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Babar 2.0 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:25 PM
So is the $5 footlong called a $10 footlong at Subways in SF?
It’s still 5 bucks…they just go eat it in their apartment that they rent for more than you pay for your mortgage on a house twice the size.
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rittyrich Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:25 PM
Consumer debt and stagnant wages since the seventies guy.
Where is the chart for people spend too much money on dumb shit?
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rittyrich Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:27 PM
Ooops, meant dumb shyt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu5ke_ZHtT8
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:30 PM
The degree is diluted, sure, but it’s also something their classmates (or at least their parents) are still paying big bucks for. And there are countless stories about athletes who still study demanding majors. Regardless, graduating in General Studies for free has more economic benefit than graduating from high school.
First, the cost of higher education in America is shameful. Find it short sighted to say “Look at how much value they’re getting” from something that has increased 498.44% in cost since ’85. An attempt at a communications degree is not commensurate to being free labour in entertainment contracts measured in billions.
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s1rweeze Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:33 PM
Where’s Lisk’s football post?
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rittyrich Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:34 PM
First, the cost of higher education in America is shameful. Find it short sighted to say “Look at how much value they’re getting” from something that has increased 498.44% in cost since ’85. An attempt at a communications degree is not commensurate to being free labour in entertainment contracts measured in billions.
It is if you’re one of the 99% of college football players who either don’t play or simply aren’t that good.
And the cost of tuition is really high. So, let’s pay the professors less. Also, requiring everybody to graduate in “x” amount of credits/years is bullshit. What the hell did I accomplish my third year of law school? Absolutely nothing except that I could never attend one class, “ABACADABA” the test, and still pass (barely).
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:35 PM
Where is the chart for people spend too much money on dumb shit?
GDP?
The University of Cincinnati keeps raising tuition prices and cutting programs (eliminated Computer Science altogether this year) to make up for lack of funding. But yeah I agree the pressing issue they should address is giving money to people getting free rides.
Large people who run fast shouldn’t subsidize some cunt studying Art History From A Post-Modern Perspective or Chicago macroeconomic theory.
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rittyrich Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:36 PM
You know what else might help?
Subsidies to athletic departments. Let’s do away with Title IX while we’re at it.
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:38 PM
It is if you’re one of the 99% of college football players who either don’t play or simply aren’t that good.
You would have to cut football rosters to less than 200 fucking people.
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sctrojans Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:38 PM
Let’s do away with Title IX while we’re at it.
This would fix everything. But it makes sense, so it can never happen
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rittyrich Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:39 PM
You would have to cut football rosters to less than 200 fucking people.
I think the scholarship cap is 85 for a football team.
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:41 PM
You know what else might help?
Subsidies to athletic departments. Let’s do away with Title IX while we’re at it.
Your entire country needs to spend more in taxes and less of tax revenue on prisons and the military.
Where is the chart for people spend too much money on dumb shit?
The dumb shit people are spending too much money on is tuition.
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:44 PM
I think the scholarship cap is 85 for a football team
105 dressed for home games, 56 for road games.
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sctrojans Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
Your entire country needs to spend more in taxes and less of tax revenue on prisons and the military.
Military and prisons aspects are no-brainers. As for the taxes, let’s start by getting them from the HALF OF THE FUCKING COUNTRY THAT DOESN’T PAY THEM. Aside from that, let’s lower taxes
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
HALF OF THE FUCKING COUNTRY THAT DOESN’T PAY THEM. Aside from that, let’s lower taxes
That is the measure of inequality and stagnant wages, it’s the symptom not the cause.
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sctrojans Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:53 PM
That is the measure of inequality and stagnant wages, it’s the symptom not the cause.
Doesn’t help that America has unionized and regulated it’s way out of the production business. This is the reason real wages have lessened. Pseudo-capitalism!
Also, you seem to be blind to the laziness and entitlement that have become American epidemics
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mizerle06 is sarah phillips Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:01 PM
Also, you seem to be blind to the laziness and entitlement that have become American epidemics
always remember that when speaking to soused, you’re addressing a Canadian.
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ButtersBC Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:02 PM
Doesn’t help that America has unionized and regulated it’s way out of the production business. This is the reason real wages have lessened.
Union membership and wages have been dropping together for about 30 years if I’m not mistaken, this is one of those talking points that sounds better in one’s head than in reality
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:05 PM
Also, you seem to be blind to the laziness and entitlement that have become American epidemics
Baby boomer epidemics.
Doesn’t help that America has unionized and regulated it’s way out of the production business. This is the reason real wages have lessened. Pseudo-capitalism!
Consumer debt is the response to stagnant wages. People did not get lazier they became poorer because or rising cost of living, they consume less and the cheapest hence outsourcing and industrialized production scaled to the lowest possible costs.
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sctrojans Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:05 PM
Union membership and wages have been dropping together for about 30 years if I’m not mistaken, this is one of those talking points that sounds better in one’s head than in reality
No, it’s one of those points that’s economic fact. It ain’t a competition against our former selves. It’s a global market
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
No, it’s one of those points that’s economic fact. It ain’t a competition against our former selves. It’s a global market
C’mon man.
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sctrojans Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:08 PM
I’m gonna cut myself off because an economic debate could and probably would go for hours. Also, I’ll go out on a limb and guess it wouldn’t change any of our opinions in the slightest
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:12 PM
I’m gonna cut myself off because an economic debate could and probably would go for hours. Also, I’ll go out on a limb and guess it wouldn’t change any of our opinions in the slightest
Union Membership in U.S. Fell to a 70-Year Low in 2010.
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sctrojans Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:13 PM
This’ll be my last comment on this post, I promise. I’ll repeat myself…
It ain’t a competition against our former selves. It’s a global market
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ButtersBC Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:18 PM
It ain’t a competition against our former selves. It’s a global market
So we should pay US workers what the Cambodian kids who make my Nikes earn? I’m confused
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Jason McIntyre Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:42 PM
PAY THE ATHLETES
just like we called for a playoff for years on this site, the same thing will happen with paying players.
hopefully, this site will still be around to champion the decision!
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:51 PM
hopefully, this site will still be around to champion the decision!
You know something we don’t?
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 2:33 PM
Georgia Bulldogs year would cost roughly $326,250 for their in season wages (Georgia minimum wage, max 20 hour week as per rule, 105 man roster). Mark Richt makes $2.8 million a year. Georgia’s football revenue for 2009 was $71 million.
WSU season is roughly $322,800 for in season wages with Mike Leech on salary for $2 million with a 105 man roster. Washington State’s football revenue was $12 million in 2009.
Although minimum wage is much higher in Washington their season was a great deal shorter.
Off-season wages are capped at 8 hours weekly and there are many other factors to consider. Only 56 players are allowed on road trips so there is significant savings in this respect. This is a very rough outline but in general costs could be entirely paid for by simply reducing rosters to 75 per squad and capping coach pay.
/Pay the players
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 2:36 PM
If you want a free market wage as a football coach go to the NFL and stay there you duplicitous sluts.
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 2:42 PM
Not sure what the cap would be on coaching wage, percentage of revenue would make sense.
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:00 PM
For the 119 teams in season wages it would amount to about $39 million. Georgia could pay for that themselves from profit.
From NCAA.org:
For 2011-12, NCAA revenue is projected at $777 million, with $680 million coming from the Association’s new rights agreement with CBS Sports and Turner Broadcasting.
NCAA alone will take 4% of revenue allocated for “central services, such as building operations and salaries not related to particular programs” at a total of $33.8 million.
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sctrojans Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:04 PM
Soused, I’d like to see the revenue sport athlete’s paid, on the premise of exploitation. However, that same premise can be applied to conclude non-revenue sport athletes shouldn’t be paid. The lesson, as always, is that Title 9 sucks
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:07 PM
However, that same premise can be applied to conclude non-revenue sport athletes shouldn’t be paid. The lesson, as always, is that Title 9 sucks
Yeah, somewhat painful for me to admit in regards to Title 9 but you should not subsidize activities for others by denying wages.
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sctrojans Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:14 PM
Yeah, somewhat painful for me to admit in regards to Title 9 but you should not subsidize activities for others by denying wages.
Agreed. Just another example of a misguided government attempt at “social equality” ruining efficiency and meritocracy
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:16 PM
Also going to need profit sharing from the conference schools.
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:28 PM
Coaches’ salaries, benefits from the university equal over $190 million from the top 10 schools alone.
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:34 PM
Title 9 needs reforming, but I’m not against it at all. Thinking you can still afford everything with just capped salaries.
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sousedbergin Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:45 PM
From ESPN:
The 19 public school athletic departments that showed a profit in 2010-11 even without including revenue from the university, state or student fees.
Ath. Dept. Surplus
Kansas State $20,106,935
Texas $16,609,111
LSU $15,462,427
Alabama $14,195,164
Florida $11,989,355
Michigan $10,621,815
Arkansas $10,524,624
Oklahoma $9,974,916
Ohio State $9,528,952
Okla. State $9,507,375
Texas A&M $8,975,871
Georgia $8,384,182
Oregon $7,125,702
Purdue $6,773,110
Iowa $4,731,395
Miss. State $2,573,373
Nebraska $1,763,272
Kentucky $1,219,181
Illinois $403,425
Profit sharing with coaching benefit and salary caps, Title 9 needs to differentiate profitable sports with employees and participants. Cap school coach salaries/benefits at $2 million per department. Wages for coaches grossly inflated due to unpaid labour force.