Roundup: Damian Lillard 3-Pointer at the Buzzer Beats New Orleans; Rotnei Clarke, the Oklahoma High School Basketball Legend
Arianny Celeste … Matt Damon regrets not taking the lead role in Avatar … “Man fatally shoots roommate over argument about pork chops” … this math museum sounds cool … the inspiration for Omar on the Wire has passed away … Marissa Miller had a baby … so what if we’re already talking about the 2016 election? … Drudge got the Hollywood Reporter a million page views in a day with this headline … Cory Booker: better marketer or mayor? … “Commenting on a Death Gets a Puppet in Trouble” … one student at Sandy Hook Elementary survived by playing dead as the shooter killed her classmates …
You’ve probably read a lot about the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, but I’ve got to add these as must-reads. [Wash Post, Courant, Star Ledger, WSJ]
Oakley is suing Rory McIlroy for breach of contract. [Telegraph]
Fantastic feature on Butler’s Rotnei Clarke, who basically was to Oklahoma high school basketball as Damon Bailey was to Indiana HS hoops. [Star]
Jeff Pearlman wouldn’t trust Bobby Petrino to walk his dog. [CNN]
“Mom forgives Cowboys player for death of her son.” [WFAA.com]
At what point does JJ Watt deserve consideration for the MVP? [Yahoo Sports]
“I came to hate the Web, hated chasing the next post or rewriting other people’s posts just for the traffic. People shouldn’t live like robots.” [Times]
Lenox Rawlings, longtime columnist, is moving on. [Salem-Journal]
Some NFL pundits chime in on Mark Sanchez. You won’t be surprised by what they say. [Newsday]
Here’s the argument that Cy Young winner RA Dickey isn’t a one-year wonder. [Fangraphs]
A 7-foot-3 tuba player at LSU gave up his scholarship so he could walk onto the basketball team. [NYT]
I enjoy watching parts of NBA games on Christmas Day. Would I want to play in them or attend them? Nope. [SF Chronicle]
No Ballin today, but we couldn’t ignore Damian Lillard’s game-winning 3-pointer at the buzzer.
My pulled over for expiring registration sticker. There was a $100 bill in the ticket. [Hot Clicks]
Toronto beat Houston Sunday, and DeMar DeRozan had a nice baseline reverse dunk.
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- European Tour Chief George O’Grady: “Most of Sergio’s friends are colored athletes”
- Cute Dog Goes on Canadian Morning Show to Pick Senators – Peguins Winner, Instead Chooses Bacon
- TV Ratings For the NBA Playoff Series Between Memphis & San Antonio Are Predictably Putrid
- Amazing GIF of Tony Allen’s Acting Job vs Spurs Includes Appearances By Steven Spielberg, Brendan Fraser
- Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez has the highest WAR evah! on TV Ratings For the NBA Playoff Series Between Memphis & San Antonio Are Predictably Putrid
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December 17th, 2012 at 8:28 AM
guns don’t kill people. pork chops kill people.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:29 AM
I have two kids in an elementary school that is set for a mass shooting. No doors, all open classrooms and no security. My third is in a high school built like a prison. They lock down any part of the building at the drop of a hat.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:30 AM
is he not? i think i have heard his name mentioned more than a few times. he just isn’t winning it. AP has a legit shot at breaking the all-time single season rushing mark and carrying his team to the playoffs.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:33 AM
Definately a weird feeling dropping your kid off at school with a cop posted at the door….thought about just driving right by and taking my kid back home….
December 17th, 2012 at 8:36 AM
TBL golf crew — I was in Orlando all last week for a conference. Hotel I stayed at hosted a PGA father-son tournament beginning in the back half of the week. Met Arnold Palmer, DLIII, Fuzzy and saw a bunch more people I recognized but could name.
Also, all their kids looked completely hateable.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:40 AM
Queefer that is awesome. We were watching that on tv.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:41 AM
can you describe that look?
December 17th, 2012 at 8:42 AM
weak gear and a played out hairstyle.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:43 AM
That pic on the front page is from her Playboy shoot, I got a copy of that. That pictorial ranks in my top-10 Playboy pictorials of all-time. She is just a beauty and built like a brick shithouse
December 17th, 2012 at 8:44 AM
neither is hateable. mockable? maybe (if you know them)
December 17th, 2012 at 8:46 AM
Also, all their kids looked completely hateable.
If I saw how powerful and easygoing their swings looked, I’d hate them too.
Davis Love III of course named his son Davis Love IV – goes by Dru (Drew) as in Quadruple. At what point do one of these guys says FUCK THIS I AM NOT DOING THIS NAME BULLSHIT.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:46 AM
Smedium Nike Dri-fits with double-popped collars, “Mississippi flop hair,” prevalent duckface.
Nah, they just looked like kids who have grown up in a life of privilege and wanted nothing to do with anyone outside of the golf fraternity. Completely subjective opinion based on nothing but facial expressions and apparel. The PGA guys couldnt have been nicer, though.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:49 AM
He gets my vote – I was terrified for Luck yesterday. Was almost seriously hoping Arains would just say “fuck this” and put Stanton in there to make sure 12 made it out of there alive
December 17th, 2012 at 8:51 AM
I dont know how anyone could vote for Watt — or any other player in the NFL — over All Day. What this man is doing off an ACL tear is historical.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:51 AM
what does coming off of a busted knee have to do with MVP? Nothing.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:52 AM
POWER-GEN?
December 17th, 2012 at 8:53 AM
Queefer – if you’re going that route (and Peterson IS ridiculous, even if you dont account for the wrecked knee) don’t you have to give it to Peyton? 4 neck surgeries?
December 17th, 2012 at 8:54 AM
“Mississippi flop hair,”
Bama bangs
December 17th, 2012 at 8:54 AM
I’ve always looked at those Christmas NBA games as Stern’s attempt to have a captive sports market for a day. The “he doesn’t understand Christmas” complaint sounds like a bad conspiracy theory gone wrong.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:54 AM
My pulled over for expiring registration sticker.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:55 AM
Goodness, some people are completely ignorant.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:56 AM
Is that the man she married, pictured in that People’s website link? Wow. He looks like the guy I used to skateboard with when I was in 7th grade.
Baring her bump for a series of black and white photos, the mom-to-be told Allure.com she was committed to fully embracing her new body.
I’d be glad to embrace your new body as well, Marissa.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:56 AM
Well, AP is Minnesota’s entire offense and he is putting up record numbers.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:00 AM
Manning has a ridiculous defense, talented wideouts and a great o-line. And a lot of his stats have come in garbage time or against bad teams. Peterson is facing nine guys in the box on every play and still going HAM.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:00 AM
Definately a weird feeling dropping your kid off at school with a cop posted at the door….thought about just driving right by and taking my kid back home….
Thought about that myself, but we can’t be there all the time for them.
Someone please explain to me why military style assault weapons should be legal to buy? What is the fucking purpose?
/starting this shit early
December 17th, 2012 at 9:01 AM
Only got to go to a PGA event one time ever. It was over in Greensburg, PA, in September of 2001. Guys were very cool to chat with. My friend who brought me told me we were going to follow Billy Mayfair, and i said why him? and he said, “just wait, you’ll see.”.
Boy, he was funny and he swore and cussed after each missed shot. It was comical to watch. His wife also followed along and I chatted with her since she brought her little boy who around my son’s age and we talked about kids. She was pretty lady I remember correctly.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:02 AM
20 years ago when non-QB/RBs could win the award…that thing’s gotten as bad as the Heisman
December 17th, 2012 at 9:04 AM
There was an ad in yesterday’s paper that included a .223 semi-automatic, on sale too!
/Murica
December 17th, 2012 at 9:04 AM
The argument I believe is for personal protection. Doesn’t make much sense to me.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:05 AM
We’re just going to ignore All Day’s incredible (for run blocking anyway) o-line then? I think he should get MVP too, but Kalil and Sullivan in particular have been lights out.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:05 AM
Marge: Mmm! No! [pulls gun from Homer] No one’s using this gun! The TV said you’re 58 percent more likely to shoot a family member than an intruder!
Homer: TV said that…? But I have to have a gun! It’s in the Constitution!
Lisa: Dad! The Second Amendment is just a remnant from revolutionary days. It has no meaning today!
Homer: You couldn’t be more wrong, Lisa. If I didn’t have this gun, the king of England could just walk in here anytime he wants and start shoving you around. [pushing Lisa] Do you want that? [pushing her harder] Huh? Do you?
Lisa: [quietly indignant] No…
Homer: All right, then.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:05 AM
Because 230 years ago, a bunch of guys living in a world with no relation to ours couldn’t imagine a future that included these types of weapons. They were smart enough to recognize they couldn’t predict the future, though, and added mechanisms to the Constitution that enabled change. If only we’d use them.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:05 AM
Damon’s most requested autograph item is a pic of his puppet from Team America. Fuck Yeah.
Maybe needed a nsfw tag on that Playboy link.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:05 AM
I don’t trust the government!!!
/opens fire on unmanned drone
December 17th, 2012 at 9:06 AM
What the hell PGA event was in Greensburg, PA?
/from Greensburg, PA
//loves golf
///doesn’t remember any of this
December 17th, 2012 at 9:06 AM
Billy Mayfair
Legend. For a long time he was the only guy to beat Tiger after Tiger had a 54-hole lead. He also has a sweet old school move where he picks his foot up off the ground when swinging.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:07 AM
God dammit Carrie, you are the stupidest fucking person ever.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:07 AM
David Frum made an interesting point yesterday on Face the Nation. He said that all crime stats are down. We’re actually much safer than at any other time in American history. Yet because every local news station leads with stabbings and murders, we feel like things are much worse. That disconnect fuels a lot of this personal protection nonsense.
I don’t think that explains America’s insane gun culture, but his point is still a legit one, IMO.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:08 AM
Can we table this until later/tomorrow? At least in the roundup? Didn’t get a chance to watch.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:09 AM
Don’t suppose this can be put off a day, can it? Game ran a little too late last night (I blame Hochuli) to get that in as well
December 17th, 2012 at 9:10 AM
DVR’d that last nite and have got to watch it tonite. Saw that clip from last week’s preview. That may be the funniest line Mandy Patankin has ever said on the silver screen.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:11 AM
I dont watch every Vikings game, but the successful runs I see Peterson make are due to individual efforts in the second level. Yes, his line is awesome and provides the holes for him to get to the LBs and secondary. Without his individual greatness, though, the play ends after 5-10 yards. AP is ripping off huge gains because he can get past the rest of the defense in one-on-one situations.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:11 AM
For those who are in favor of (more) gun control, what exactly do you want to see done? What extra law would prevent nutjobs from doing evil, given the fact that anyone who is determined to get a gun can do so?
December 17th, 2012 at 9:11 AM
“…and furthermore, if the player is found to have been penalized on the play pending exploratory research as it points to millennial administrative projections, then please reset the game clock to revamp and reboot our remote digital contingencies…”
December 17th, 2012 at 9:11 AM
billy mayfair can move for sure. ugliest putting stroke ive ever seen tho.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:12 AM
If you all are going to debate guns, at least know what you are talking about in regards to the actual guns.
http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/als-morning-meeting/182059/what-journalists-need-to-know-about-guns-and-gun-control/
It was really bad in here after Aurora with all the misinformed, but probably well intentioned, posts.
/farts
December 17th, 2012 at 9:13 AM
Sure. Take your crazy pills before you watch it though.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:13 AM
Bobbybigwheel introduced me to the worst person in the history of twitter last night, @Tark31. Fuck that guy, argubably the most vile troll spitting hate and fox news propaganda. Fuck these people
December 17th, 2012 at 9:13 AM
It was the Marconi Pennsylvania Classic. Sorry, it was in Ligonier, at the Laurel Valley Golf Club
December 17th, 2012 at 9:14 AM
The WVU senator who was elected largely because of a commercial where he shot a copy of the cap-and-trade bill thinks we need new restrictions on assault weapons.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:14 AM
There is none. And if people are genuinely afraid of their government, they stand no chance. A guy with a few semi-automatic pistols and an AR-15 is no chance against an M-1, or a F/A-18, or a B-52 or the Predator Drones.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:14 AM
Stupidest and smartest according to Saul.
I did watch it but I am all for delaying until tomorrow. Don’t want to spoil it for anyone.
Dexter?
December 17th, 2012 at 9:15 AM
Are they continuing to jump the Shark?
December 17th, 2012 at 9:16 AM
It’s comical watching Gerhart come in and barely scratch and fight for 2 yards, while Peterson does some insane cutback and bolts past everyone in half a second. That said, there exists a chemistry between a line and RB the same way it works between a QB and WR. One doesn’t work without the other.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:16 AM
Ah – OK – that rings a bell
December 17th, 2012 at 9:16 AM
At a minimum, making it extremely hard, if not impossible for civilians to purchase assault weapons.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:17 AM
Please limit the Dexter talk, it would be much appreciated. This season has actually been pretty good, but I missed out on the last two episodes.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:17 AM
So because its easy to get a gun, we should just say fuck it, right? That is the most American logic, ever.
If Adam Lanza was named Muhammad Lanza and blew himself up in that elementary school instead of shooting those kids, the Bible Belt would be putting Muslims in camps at gunpoint. We’d have armed guards posted at schools tomorrow. But because it was a white kid with guns, nothing can happen. It’s insane.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:17 AM
I work in a corporate building. Every day when I go to lunch or the cafeteria, there is any any given time, several women in the public areas screaming down there husbands/boyfriends on their cell phones. Never men screaming down their ladies. This is a constant. Every day. Lots of pissed off women out there.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:18 AM
my wife works in an elementary school where the doors only lock from the outside and the doors open into the hallway. during Lockdown drills my wife actually has to go into the hallway, lock the door, and then go back inside the room to secure it.
all due to fire code. which apparently allows people to be locked in rooms from the outside.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:19 AM
Ya, didn’t watch it yet either. I’m so pumped for ghost Doakes.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:19 AM
Bruce Springsteen had a great quote a couple years ago…
“The day our children are born we realize there is nothing in this world we would not do to protect them, and we then spend the rest of our lives realizing we can’t.”
December 17th, 2012 at 9:19 AM
This is the sad truth 2nd Amendment zealots never want to acknowledge. I own a handgun, but its not because I’m worried about the government taking over. If the government wants to take out its populace, they can. Easily. And we’d stand absolutely no chance.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:20 AM
im absolutely disgusted at all the media coverage of the CT thing…first these “must reads” which is the same depressing story repeated ad nauseum, the whole blindly-liberal blame game, calling the wrong fucking brother the shooter and then the character assassinations of an “outsider.”
yea, the lanza kid was sick, but how can an affluent family not be able to find the proper care for him? we do not have the proper mechanisms in place to take care of mentally ill people, and culturally, this type of knuckle-dragging hivemind bullshit only serves to drive these people to more extreme measures.
it’s disgusting all around. just so sad.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:21 AM
The AR-15 was developed for civilian use and picked up by the military and given the name of M16. It is considered a varmint hunter as it has a small round. They aren’t fully automatic and only the military version has a 3 round burst. Attaching names like “assault weapons” to them just gives it the boogie man effect. Ill be purchasing mine sooner than I expected.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:22 AM
bad choice of words, considering.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:22 AM
All this talk about securing schools makes me laugh. I could walk onto a college campus right now with a suicide vest and sack full of guns and not even be noticed. Same with a bus station, or train station, or library, or retirement home, or dozens of other places where people congregate.
We can’t stop these things through security. And that’s what scares the shit out of people and makes them cling to guns.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:22 AM
I thought the episode sucked balls.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:22 AM
Ok so we can’t talk about Dexter or Homeland…how about Full House? Is everyone caught up on that?
December 17th, 2012 at 9:22 AM
Maybe needed a nsfw tag on that Playboy link.
maybe it’s me, but the playboy part kinda said that already.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:23 AM
No civilian needs an AR-15 assault rifle. You may want one, but you don’t need one.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:24 AM
I actually meant it as a serious question. You’re attempting to respond to “logic” that wasn’t even stated.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:24 AM
I know a decent amount about guns, and while that article purports to explain the various different types of weapons, it still does not address the NEED for AR-15 type weapons. Handguns and hunting rifles understandable, automatic and semi-automatic weapons, not understandable.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:24 AM
Same here. Shit happens. Don’t allow fear and emotions to make dumb decisions and empower the state even more.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:24 AM
Go fuck yourself
December 17th, 2012 at 9:24 AM
you realize you just pointed out the problem with our current gun laws in your own defense of the current system?
we need more regulation, end of story.
-end gun shows.
-increase background checks and the waiting period for all firearm purchases, hand gun and long guns.
-ban assault rifles.
that’s a start. and if you’re a law abiding citizen, you should have no problems having to wait longer to get your gun.
towns have more restrictions on the types of dogs you can own than we do with lethal weapons designed to kill more efficiently than other weapons.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:24 AM
Also, Texas Fan — according to the article KC posted, the AR-15 is absolutely an assault weapon:
“The shooter in the Aurora, Colorado theater shooting had an AR-15, which is an assault rifle. “
December 17th, 2012 at 9:25 AM
dude, it’s a fucking .22 caliber made from plastics and fiberglass instead of wood. jesus fucking christ, at least know what you’re talking about before slamming it. just cuz it looks like the guns from call of duty doesn’t mean it’s the same thing as an hk416 loaded to the gills.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:25 AM
Additionally, his mother is a teacher, which means she has at least some training on how to recognize when something is wrong with a kid.
I wonder if his mother verbally abused her son, compared him to other kids, etc. Going to a school and doing what he did can’t be a random thing.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:25 AM
Neither do local cops.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:26 AM
God dammit Carrie, you are the stupidest fucking person ever.
I believe he said you are both the smartest and dumbest fucking person I know.
It was nice that the episode sort of (or at least attempted to) explained the irrational craziness of the last 2 episodes… Still a ton of plot holes/huge suspension of disbelief. The first half hour was pretty awful – 2nd half was better, still not sure it’s the right direction for the show though.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:26 AM
All of these are a good start. I’d also add mandatory 20-year prison terms for anyone caught with an assault rifle, too.
The fact that I can go to a gun show in Virginia and leave with any weapon I want, no questions asked, is astonishing.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:28 AM
Security guards are needed at schools with teens, gang issues for actual bullshit of violence, drugs, thefts and stuff like that. No rent-a-cop would do shit against a sicko with guns and a goal to make the nightly news. To think otherwise is retarded.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:28 AM
I’m aware of what Saul said. I was just stating my feelings on the episode.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:28 AM
it still does not address the NEED for AR-15 type weapons.
The point of the article was to lay out information. Not to advocate one way or another. I don’t need an AR-15 and won’t get one. I’ve got enough guns (two) to hunt and defend my house if needed. If the world goes to shit, I probably don’t want to be here anyway.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:29 AM
I think i’d have been happier if Brody did die at the end of season 1… but I am really hoping they just make a clear break from the soap opera next season and get Quinn more involved with a new storyline.
it would be interesting to see more of an operative storyline with analysts, but then it would be like a vince Flynn or 24 story… which wouldn’t be bad…
December 17th, 2012 at 9:29 AM
Queefer, good points all around. Someone could walk on campus here at PSU from an adjoining neighborhood, kill some people in an office bldg and get out and get lost.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:29 AM
Which one of these would’ve stopped the shootings in Aurora or Newtown?
December 17th, 2012 at 9:30 AM
Banning guns is stupid and should never — and will never — happen. That said, there’s something wrong in America when our leaders aren’t even allowed to talk about reasonable gun control unless there’s a national tragedy committed by a gun user.
This is one of the only times in modern American history where politicians have an opening to push back against the NRA and say, “enough.” Fuck your empty “thoughts and prayers” platitudes. You’re in a unique position to affect change. Do something to help prevent the sadly inevitable next shooting.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:31 AM
get Quinn more involved with a new storyline.
I was kind of annoyed they didn’t go back to him later in the episode.. he had to have been a wreck. He’s pretty awesome though.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:31 AM
Someone could also walk to the middle of campus and take a shit on the ground in a Joe Pa mask.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:31 AM
our domestic terrorists are called “gunmen”. they just don’t use some sort of bullshit religious motivation as their reason for killing innocents.
and in this country, you’re right, they have easier access to guns than they do Sudafed or bomb making materials.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:32 AM
What’s your point. Should we as a society simply accept that schools, malls, and movie theaters will be shot up because it is impossible to stop a nut job from obtaining a gun?
December 17th, 2012 at 9:33 AM
No one is implying there is a cut-and-dried solution to this. You have to start to change the overall culture at some point.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:34 AM
i think itd be a better exercise to accept that we as a culture torture weird kids and dont give a shit about the mentally ill, and fix that before we start blaming inanimate objects that require a human to pull the trigger and get them to actually do something.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:34 AM
This is just lazy and dumb.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:34 AM
A sicko with a gun and an objective is as powerful as compounding interest. This nation is close to having a gun for every citizen. The horse has left the barn and any massive change would require generations of patience and resolve, two things in short supply these days. Part of me thinks attempting ot make sense of a senseless act is futile.
But nonetheless, these mass-murderers aren’t killing people with knives and spitballs. They are fiercely armed and a conversation about our need of guns and our support of mental illness treatment are legitimite. They shouldn’t be exploitive. These events will continue though and reducing them can be our aim. They won’t be eliminated.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:34 AM
Good point — I had to pick up some NyQuil for my sick wife yesterday and it took five minutes to get through the self-checkout because I had to show ID for the purchase. Should have stuffed it in an AR-15 magazine instead and saved some time.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:35 AM
Yet that is equally fruitless. It’s the people and their behaviors that are the problem. Our society is deteriorating rapidly, and this is a by-product. Teens and twenty-somethings with open disdain for traditional American values, that think they know every fucking thing. They look down on the “establishment” and their parents and elders as buffoons. So what has value to them? They are de-sensitized to violence through the movies and video games they’ve seen and played all their lives and the idea of doing what this latest asshole has done is no longer out of bounds. If you’re really mental and want to off yourself, do it. Leave the rest of us alone please.
/Get Off My Lawn
December 17th, 2012 at 9:35 AM
it’s disgusting all around. just so sad.
i am too. it seems like this one is hitting everyone harder than aurora, v tech, etc. for me it did because i am just tired of these events happening, and i have no clue what to do about it. none.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:36 AM
It’s not a guns or mental illness topic. Both need to be addressed.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:36 AM
Any word on whether Chuck Pagano’s cancer has come back as a result of Luck’s performance yesterday?
December 17th, 2012 at 9:37 AM
That wasn’t just a Get Off My Lawn, that was a Hall of Fame caliber Get Off My Lawn
December 17th, 2012 at 9:37 AM
Fuck the FDA. I like Sudafed. How about a discussion on the prescription pills these shooters are on? Talk about the Gun Lobby all you want. But that Drug Lobby is far more deadly.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:37 AM
there obviously isn’t a need, but the minute one kind of gun is outlawed, a precedent is set. That starts the ball rolling for banning other guns.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:38 AM
I don’t see that changing the culture at all. There were several school shootings during the last Assault Weapons ban including Columbine.
Our culture is one that simply glorifies violence. Changing that goes far beyond the gun trade.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:38 AM
so you’re ok with this kind of violence being an everyday fact of life? You want to do nothing to try to prevent the next one?
what about when foreign extremist nutjobs purchase a cache of weapons from a gunshow and kill americans? you want change then, or will you just accept it as a new everyday fact of life?
we can’t go back in time and change a tragedy, but we can do our best to prevent the next one. short of banning all firearms and confiscating firearms there will be no 100% guarantee that a mass shooting won’t happen again. but should it be so easy to obtain devices that are designed to kill effectively and efficiently?
December 17th, 2012 at 9:39 AM
I’ve been reading conflicting things but can someone clarify whether the rifle used would have been subject to the former assault weapons ban? It was my understanding that it would still have been a legal purchase.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:40 AM
So … we got four years of Queefer and Jiminy Chitwood/Barista Mike/Rodney’s Pool Cleaners going at each other to look forward to?
December 17th, 2012 at 9:40 AM
You’re never going to catch all the mentally ill children and be able to treat them. Look at the Columbine kids. Eric Harris exhibited some sins of mental illness, but Kliebold was an easily manipulated loner that was essentially talked into the crime by his friend Harris.
Furthermore, how do you separate adolescent/early adult mental illness from mere teenage development struggles? Parents aren’t trained psychologists. It’s expensive and time-consuming to put your kids into a mental health program, not to mention the stigma it carries. Parents working two jobs, or travelling for business, or in a high-demand career often lack the time/knowledge to take these steps. Also, you’re probably not going to do that unless you’re damn sure the child is seriously ill. Which, again, leads to the idea that parents are not shrinks.
If it was harder for these mentally ill people to get guns, it would be harder for them to act on their impulses. If he could only get his hands on a knife the two people who ran into the hallway would be alive and the terrorist subdued. Instead nearly 30 people died.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:40 AM
Arm the teachers. My wife is a teacher and we were at a christmas party this weekend. All the teachers present, every single one, were in favor of it.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:41 AM
He has consideration from all the media fawning over him. When is Aldon Smith going to get his consideration?
December 17th, 2012 at 9:42 AM
I’ve enjoyed most responses to this from you guys, this however I cannot agree with. Everyone says this every decade. No doubt things have gotten worse pertaining to these rash and random attacks, but the idea that society in the last 30-40 years or whenever you are thinking has deteriorated to a point so low as to where it was? I respectfully disagree.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:42 AM
When he develops Vitiligo?
December 17th, 2012 at 9:42 AM
also, do you think the founding fathers would have just shrugged their shoulders and said “eh,what can you do about it?”
/straw man’d
December 17th, 2012 at 9:42 AM
Ftrom what I can gather it was legal. Now, I’ve heard that it had an extended clip, which are also legal. The gun was semi-auto, not fully auto.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:42 AM
He didn’t purchase those guns….
December 17th, 2012 at 9:42 AM
And I know just as many teachers that would quit, on the spot, if this were made a job requirement.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:43 AM
This argument is as dumb as the “Well, if you allow gay marriage then what’s to stop A MAN FROM MARRYING HIS HORSE???!?” Especially since this didn’t happen with the Brady Bill.
But if it results in even tighter gun restrictions, then good.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:43 AM
Teens and twenty-somethings with open disdain for traditional American values, that think they know every fucking thing. They look down on the “establishment” and their parents and elders as buffoons.
Teenagers have been assholes since the beginning of time. This isn’t new.
there obviously isn’t a need, but the minute one kind of gun is outlawed, a precedent is set. That starts the ball rolling for banning other guns.
I understand your slippery slope argument, but there are plenty of guns that are outlawed for civilians.
for me it did because i am just tired of these events happening, and i have no clue what to do about it. none.
Two police officers in Topeka were killed last night.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:44 AM
I would argue that generations that grew up with the horrors of chemical trench warfare, atomic annihilation of entire cities, carpet bombing, the constant threat of nuclear destruction, jungle warfare and agent orange, had more desensitization to violence than kids playing Call of Duty.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:44 AM
Shut the fuck up you whiny bitch and go mine coltan in the Congo you fucking cunt.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:45 AM
We have reached this discussion’s anus.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:45 AM
Arm the teachers. My wife is a teacher and we were at a christmas party this weekend. All the teachers present, every single one, were in favor of it.
/looks at my kid’s 1st grade teacher.
No fucking way. The absolute last thing that needs to be done is forcing people to be armed.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:45 AM
/shudders
December 17th, 2012 at 9:45 AM
Arm the teachers. My wife is a teacher and we were at a christmas party this weekend. All the teachers present, every single one, were in favor of it.
This is beyond retarded. My wife’s worked in some of the most violent neighborhoods in America and this is not needed.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:45 AM
Yeah I had thought it had to have the extended clip plus one of the other qualifiers (one of which was the capacity to hold a grenade launcher, OH DIANE FEINSTEIN YOU’RE SO FUCKING TOUGH ON CRIME!)
December 17th, 2012 at 9:46 AM
I think one look at our entertainment: movies, tv shows, music, public behavior, etc. would prove otherwise.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:46 AM
Yeah, this. The “video games/movies are desensitizing our kids” mouth breathers just don’t have a clue how brutal the world was generations ago.
Also, I would pull my kid from school if the teachers were armed.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:48 AM
Do we include the ones who are sleeping with their 12 year old students, or do we leave them out considering they might be a little unstabble?
December 17th, 2012 at 9:49 AM
You are abject buffoons, seriously. Fucking cunty retards in every single aspect of modern society from food, security, debt, infrastructure, health, environment and a true legacy of outright disaster. Not kidding, fuck them. When you raise the first generation to have a shorter life span you get called buffoons and rightly so.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:49 AM
Huh, because violent crime is down across the board since the Mad Men days. So, blaming movies and TV doesn’t really fit then, right?
Like Mole said, kids in the 40s and 50s had to deal with a global war against Hitler. An actual global war, not one fought from the couch on an xBox.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:49 AM
Perhaps the workd was brutal generations ago, it doesn’t mean that video games and modern media have desensitized current youth. Not an either or IMO.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:49 AM
I don’t disagree with this, but the fact is, the status quo is not good enough.
Shrugging our shoulders and saying “shit happens” is not good enough.
What those changes are, I don’t profess to know, but I certainly don’t think kids having to worry about if they are going to make it through arts & crafts is the right way to go as a society.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:49 AM
I’m sure only about 5 people watched the Jags/Dolphins game, but the Dolphins fake FG attempt needs way more attention.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:49 AM
From CBS last night.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:49 AM
They’re the ones that should be armed the most since they’ll fight harder to defend those they love…like the empires of old who encouraged their soldiers to bang each other
December 17th, 2012 at 9:51 AM
See I look at that the opposite way. Those folks see and realized how horrible all of that was, and generally have no desire to repeat it. It’s not the same as playing games that are trying to be as life-like as possible where murder is the object. I love video games, but really, why is this now what the most popular games are about? Goes back to my point about society in general IMO.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:51 AM
Also, people can be desensitized to violence and not running out killing people. I recognize a duality can exist there.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:52 AM
Even if that’s true, there’s a huge difference between being desensitized to fictional violence and going and committing mass murder.
Kids in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Iran and Syria who blow themselves up at markets don’t have these movies, video games and TV, yet they kill thousands every year.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:53 AM
Yeah I agree there’s been nothing that has happened in this country in the time 20 year olds have been alive that has emphasized violence and death.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:53 AM
True but why does a country like the UK or Japan whom are both well developed counties not have these problems? Japan had 8 deaths by gun last year and 6 were accidental. The UK has 0.22 deaths by gun for everyone 100,000 people where as the US has 9. There is something very wrong with American’s.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:53 AM
People always think things we better in the past since they were kids in those days and didn’t realize shit sucked then too
December 17th, 2012 at 9:54 AM
People don’t play these games because they want a safe outlet for murder. Jesus.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:54 AM
Japan’s Godzilla deaths are off the charts and Britain has to deal with Gorgo, so it’s all relative.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:54 AM
I laughed
December 17th, 2012 at 9:55 AM
See I look at that the opposite way. Those folks see and realized how horrible all of that was, and generally have no desire to repeat it.
Was CNN live as tanks were rolling into Paris? Because I’m pretty sure it was when they were rolling into Baghdad. Also, planes flying into buildings on live television.
So.. this is dumb.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:56 AM
I’d only be in favor of arming teachers if they were required to keep them on top of their desk so they’d be within easy reach when the need arose.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:57 AM
Because they don’t have nearly the amount of guns. A guy in China ran into a school with a knife last week and started slashing. No one died because he couldn’t inflict enough damage before being subdued (which wouldn’t have happened had he had a gun). I don’t even think police in Japan carry guns.
I will say this about Japan — their crime stats are pretty warped. Not from a gun crime standpoint but overall, their violent crime numbers are low because horrible crimes are never reported. The People Who Eat Darkness taught me that.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:57 AM
It should also be noted that Lanza tried to purchase a rifle and was immediately denied. Unless that story has been debunked.
/the media is terrible
December 17th, 2012 at 9:57 AM
And now, a few words from Bob Costas about pork chop control:
But here is what I believe. If people didn’t possess pork chops, that pig would be alive today. But much less delicious.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:58 AM
So a kid with a developmental disorder was apparently heavily exposed to weapons and shooting in his household, and from what I can there was no father figure in the home. The kid looks like he was intraverted, and I saw an interview from a girl that said he was very quiet and somewhat odd. So many variables.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:58 AM
The Japanese have messed up pornography.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:00 AM
When the river of money behind that name dries up.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:00 AM
If anyone here is denying our youth is desensitized to violence, then you are part of the problem. You are as bad as the NRA folks. I never said it was the “cause” by itself, but when you see violence every single day as part of popular culture, you become numb to it. To think otherwise is foolish.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:01 AM
It still amazes me that in a year with not one but TWO terrible mass domestic terror attacks involving guns, nothing will change. Yet I have to take my shoes off at the airport because some guy once tried to blow up a plane that way.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:01 AM
Was going to explain why teachers shouldn’t have guns based on arguments of insurance costs, personal rights, greater likelihood of self harm, greater likelihood of school shootings but I really shouldn’t have to and I won’t. It’s a non starter.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:01 AM
/ That’s how that works
December 17th, 2012 at 10:01 AM
That must be why no one is upset about this latest shooting.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:02 AM
I’d only be in favor of arming teachers if they were required to keep them on top of their desk so they’d be within easy reach when the need arose.
This is fucking retarded. I’m sure nothing would go wrong here with just having a gun in the teachers desk.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:03 AM
Jeff Passan was discussing violent video games as a precursor to this on twitter. I wanted to bash my head against my laptop.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:04 AM
Please provide years for when it was at it’s peak, I love this exercise
December 17th, 2012 at 10:04 AM
If the representation of violence is fake (TV, video games) why wouldn’t I be numb to it? It’s not real, to treat it as real would be psychosis. Imagine bawling your eyes out every time Mario kills a Koopa Troopa?
December 17th, 2012 at 10:04 AM
Our society is deteriorating rapidly
Please provide years for when it was at it’s peak, I love this exercise
This is a favorite of mine as well.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:06 AM
Wow, ok then, that is just retarded
December 17th, 2012 at 10:08 AM
First time in 200 years kids are expected to have a shorter life span than their parents. Capitalism and industrial farming you see, in general though crime is way down.
/Pizza is a vegetable bro
December 17th, 2012 at 10:09 AM
violent video games = kill a bunch of pixels and get to replay if you die
real life violence = up close view of the horror
id say there’s an aspect of video game desensitization of violence that’s credible, esp on young, impressionable minds.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:09 AM
They are sad. Upset? We’ll see. Because when you get upset you tend to do something about it. Like after 9/11 a LOT of shit changed, so now we only have to hear you whine about airport security instead of the possibility of you bringing my plane down.
Yes, grown folks are very affected by this. Teens? They’ve seen it how many times now? To them it has become another option of what to do when disenfranchised. My point about society’s deterioration was that in 1974, this wasn’t something that happened. You went out and egged someone’s house or played mailbox baseball like good teens should.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:10 AM
Wow – I wasn’t being serious about teachers keeping guns on their desks. They should at least be required to store them in a desk drawer, or maybe under an chalkboard eraser or someplace safe like that.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:10 AM
Violence is part of life, always has been, always will be. Violence is how kingdoms are built and fall. It is how this country became independent, and how it helped defeat the Nazis. We should do everything in our power to logically prevent an incident like this from happening, but spare me the rose-colored glasses view of what society should be.
Life is pain princess, anyone who tells you differently is selling something.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:10 AM
Ban all hand guns, 20 year sentence if you’re busted with one. Life in prison if you commit any crime with a gun.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:10 AM
We as a society have the ability to address each issue on it’s own accord. I go by the notion that not all evil is crazy nor is all crazy evil, and because we’re talking about an inanimate object that is designed to turn animate objects into inanimate objects with deadly profieciency and efficiency, its status in this country deserves to be addressed.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:11 AM
This. Plus, their women dress fashion-forward.
Go on campus at PSU, it takes all kinds of people.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:11 AM
I long for the days of blacks sitting in the back of the bus, gays being lumped in with beastiality and women not being allowed out of the kitchen. T’was a simpler time.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:14 AM
Mandatory sentencing is racking up $68 billion a year in cost and increases recidivism. Let’s not go all Len Bias here and cripple a generation. Agreed there needs to be thoughtful changes but we should not double down on bad ideas.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:14 AM
- Lizzy Borden chopped her family up with an ax in 1892.
- HH Holmes murdered over two dozen people during the World’s Fair in the 1920s.
- Adolf Hitler exterminated 6 million Jews between 1940-1945.
But yeah, no one did any crazy shit before the 8-bit Atari was around.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:15 AM
I’m picturing them spinning it to use to call on people.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:15 AM
Gun crimes aren’t victimless like drugs are. Legalize drugs, fill the empty cells with those who commit gun crimes. I have no problem with that at all.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:16 AM
Seeing violence is different for different people. My oldest son can compartmentalize and really understands the difference between real and fake. Violent images doesn’t affect him at all.
My second son has to be shielded however. If he watches an overly violent movie he turns aggressive, has nightmares, etc. He’s got some issues. Those issues aren’t caused be violence in movies and video games though they certainly impact his psyche.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:16 AM
I’m a teacher, and we were at a Christmas story this weekend. None of the teachers I’ve ever spoken to are in favor of being armed. I’m assuming you live in the South.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:16 AM
Dec. 30, 1974: In Olean, N.Y., Anthony Barbaro, a 17-year-old Regents scholar armed with a rifle and shotgun, kills three adults and wounds 11 others at his high school, which was closed for the Christmas holiday. Barbaro was reportedly a loner who kept a diary describing several “battle plans” for his attack on the school.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:16 AM
agreed…which is why we should address the issues of the people pulling the trigger before we blame a trigger unable to pull itself. yes, issues might have their own accord, whatever that means, but there’s causation from one to the other.
a more responsible, educated, compassionate culture is better for every issue, not just gun safety. it’s easier to work with a solid moral foundation than by simply laying out a bureaucratic minefield and hoping for the best.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:17 AM
You’ll shoot your eye out.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:17 AM
In Japan everybody lives in fear of being Kung Fu’d to death and the constant lobbying over their rights to Kung Fu, Assault Kung Fu, and youth desensitivty to violence by Kung Fu is a national calamity.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:18 AM
Then you don’t understand what he was saying.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:18 AM
When was Kent State, again?
December 17th, 2012 at 10:19 AM
“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for
authority, they show disrespect to their elders…. They no longer
rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents,
chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their
legs, and are tyrants over their teachers.”
– Attributed to Socrates
December 17th, 2012 at 10:20 AM
Actually it’s a statistical fact that the one thing that hasn’t changed is how disinterested the average American is to the world around them and how largely ignorant they are of world and domestic political issues. I think you’re approaching the point the wrong way. Outside of the desensitizing to violence issue (which I disagree with as a generational issue but if it is one, it’s the generation of parents that are failing, not the kids), there is a valid question to be asked of “will this really change anything?” In a few weeks are people still going to be talking about this, or will the short attention span and ability to only care about one cause at a time in this country continue to be the trend and we’ll move on to something else?
/Trayvon Martin gets shot: things have to change!
//Aurora shooting: things have to change!
///Korean guy puts out dance video, FUCK ALL THAT SHIT THIS IS IMPORTANT!
December 17th, 2012 at 10:20 AM
I love that you will paint yourself as a logical, thinking person, yet you write sentences such as this. DO oyu believe what you write or are you just bad at back and forth discussions? From what people seem to think of you here, I would say you are just bad at it.Again, you are part of the problem. You are not capable of understanding a viewpoint different from your own, and take lunatic leaps of logic in a discussion. No wonder nothing gets done.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:20 AM
NOT COOL linking to Damon’s Playboy interview without mentioning it’s playboy! Even without pics, a playboy link is NSFW for a lot of us, and could get people fired.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:21 AM
Who trains the teachers with the weapons? Who pays for the training? Who pays for the weapon? Will the gun be on the teacher at all times, or will it need to be locked away? During said training, will they have live rounds shot at them to prepare for what it will be like during a shooting, or will it be like every other training session that takes a weekend and hands out a certificate? Are we to send our teachers to military camps? Why not just have soldiers teach our kids instead? What happens if the gun is discharged in the middle of arts and crafts? Who insures that? Who pays those premiums? Maybe we should cut teachers already laughable pay to cover insurance? What happens when a teacher shoots a student on accident in the panic of the moment when a shooting does occur? Do HS’s have guns, too? What’s to keep an enraged kid from overpowering the English teacher and taking the gun away?
But all of those questions are easy to answer I’m sure. The solution to gun violence is more guns, I guess. Just makes total sense.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:21 AM
Now, I had heard that word at least ten times a day from my old man. He worked in profanity the way other artists might work in oils or clay. It was his true medium; a master.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:21 AM
funny, a british SAS guy was almost sentenced to 18 months for simply having a handgun. again, this is a member of the most highly trained special operations unit in the entire world, someone who trains with firearms more than 99.99% of people on the face of the earth.
he pleaded guilty originally because if he was found guilty, he faced 5 years.
so there are problems with this line of punishment too.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:21 AM
I think this has a lot to do about the media’s fascination with all of this. There’s definitely a “Summer of the Shark” mentality going on.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:21 AM
This is what Carl Douglas was trying to teach us in 1974.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:21 AM
link to 191.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:21 AM
This is the Pepsi Generation, not the Coke Generation.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:22 AM
After the Alabama hospital shooting, I went to a cardiac unit Christmas party (just like the department where the hospital shooting happened!!!). Ever single doctor, nurse, scrub tech, and orderly were all like, “We all wants guns to protects us two!”. Every. Single. One.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:22 AM
been saying this all along…god damn the media is fucking disgusting.
MUST READ!
December 17th, 2012 at 10:22 AM
ohheelyeah got pinched?
December 17th, 2012 at 10:22 AM
Then society really is crumbling…to hell with Pepsi
December 17th, 2012 at 10:23 AM
im missing this reference…care to refresh?
December 17th, 2012 at 10:23 AM
YES!
December 17th, 2012 at 10:23 AM
Matt Stafford sucks.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:24 AM
Personally I think the violent video games are terrible but that shit falls on the parents not the courts. But the jokes on the bad parents, Johny Violent Video Game usually lashes out and offs mom and dad first. Jokes on you.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:25 AM
How DARE you belittle CRM on his own turf?!
December 17th, 2012 at 10:25 AM
Serious question: why?
(In other words: what do you think this will accomplish?)
December 17th, 2012 at 10:25 AM
holy shit…the SAS guy faced 18 mos to 5 years and the handgun was at his “service accomodation” not even at his home.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:26 AM
easier to give guns to mexican drug cartels?
December 17th, 2012 at 10:26 AM
Now this is something we can all get behind.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:27 AM
there was a huge spike in Pitfall related deaths, however, and when Nintendo came out kids kept jumping on turtles and goombas.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:27 AM
No.
You made an unsupported claim that these types are acts are attributed to video games, TV and movies, then said that these types of things didn’t happen “back in the day.” Myself and several other posters provided examples proving your statement stunningly, unequivocally wrong. Your response to being wrong? Get angry and accuse someone else of not accepting another viewpoint.
Sounds like you’re the problem, yes?
December 17th, 2012 at 10:28 AM
Mike in response to your statement that have I not thought about how maybe Europe doesn’t have the gang crime issues we have (in relation to their lower gun death numbers). Of course. I mean they do have lots of crime problems, but it’s absolutely an apples to oranges issue though I think it’s because of the fact that those places weren’t flooded with guns before the bans went in to place. Gun ownership in Britain was always highly regulated and ownership wasn’t nearly as widespread as it is here (nor was there the phallic obsession with it). That’s why it can’t work here of course, because there are already far too many guns out there. If the government boogeyman did start taking away the guns it wouldn’t be from the people who have them registered illegally, of course.
Granted then a seven year old kid in my city wouldn’t be getting shot in the face in the back of his truck by his dad’s rifle going off accidentally, but there’s no way a gun ban would be sold on accidental legal owned gun killings. Nor should it.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:29 AM
I agree, but I need to see a plan and leadership to make this happen. It seems most of the leaders in power got their by mostly drumming up the fear of the masses and the putting down of the someone else’s opinions and thoughts without seeing the merit in them. If this tragedy can’t make us turn things around, what can?
December 17th, 2012 at 10:29 AM
TEAM MORE LEGISLATION TO PROTECT OUR KIDS FROM PEPSI
December 17th, 2012 at 10:29 AM
Was Queefer the one who said school shootings didn’t happen in 1974 despite the fact that school shootings happened in 1974? If so then I agree with this statement.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:29 AM
Did we ever get a John Brent (DAL)reaction from TBL for being on the sideline for yesterday’s PIT/DAL game?
If that’s Joe Lunchbucket who got popped for DUI and pending manslaughter charges, his ass would be in County lockup awaiting trial, am I correct?
But to be fair, he has been hit with a suspension and he can’t play (but he does get paid!)
My wife was shocked he was shown on the sideline walking around.
I told her, money talks, bullshit walks.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:30 AM
Did he commit a handgun related crime? Or did he just have one? If its the latter, that’s a stupid punishment.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:31 AM
no, queefer was the one equating a .22 ar-15 to a fully automatic fn scar shooting 7.62. id say they’re both part of the problem.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:32 AM
Legalized drugs would drastically reduce gun crime.
44 gun assaults per 100,000 people in America. Majority of criminals under 39. Life expectancy is 75, assume it’s lower in prison call it 69 years. So conservatively if all prisoners are 39 and lived 30 years at $31,307 a year per times 137,100 criminals would equal $4.2 billion yearly or like a $120 billion to cover 30 years.
/realize math is way off
//It’s fucking expensive is what I am saying
December 17th, 2012 at 10:33 AM
just had one…but that’s right in the wheelhouse for what you were suggesting.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:33 AM
No, I said the AR-15 is a assault rifle. Because it is.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:34 AM
Pepsi is ass
December 17th, 2012 at 10:34 AM
Here’s a decent read from the Bureau of Justice on gun deaths between 1975 and 2005.
Looks like in 1975 there were around 1000 gun homicides by 14-17 year olds and about the same number in 2005. With a big peak in the nineties (assuming the gang peak).
Goes from 4000~ to 6000~ for 18-24 year olds. But by the looks of it, there were around 5000 gun homicides committed in this country in 1975 by people under the age of 25. Oh for the halcyon days of the mid seventies.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:34 AM
No, I was agreeing with the poster who said life sentences for gun crimes. See?
Gun crimes. Not “owning a handgun.”
December 17th, 2012 at 10:35 AM
This made me laugh, well done
December 17th, 2012 at 10:36 AM
Keep in mind too, the massive population growth between now and then. Per capita, the 70s were much worse.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:36 AM
Joe Lunchbucket probably spends his paychecks at the bar and can’t make bail.
the victim’s mother has publicly forgiven him and doesn’t want him tried. horrible situation, but it says something when the victim’s mother is able to forgive him and how people not involved or related to the incident should perceive it from the outside.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:36 AM
Most AR-15′s that are owned in this country by civilians would have been legal (if not were legally purchased during) the Assault Weapons Ban.
It’s a rather toothless piece of legislation that democrats like to use to appear tough on gun control.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:37 AM
Stop fucking shooting kids Mole.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:38 AM
Actually Mike I have a question (and I don’t have an obsession with you, I actually find your takes interesting on these things even though I disagree), what would your solution be to the rising amount of gun violence? Genuinely curious what you think should be done, or if what we’ve got is a fine enough way to go.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:39 AM
by a fairly outdated and arbitrary metric. because this, that can kill someone with a specially designed bullet that has the impact of a magnum at point blank from a shot fired over a mile and a half way (shooter was a great movie), is not an assault rifle because it has a bolt. oh, right…people use that thing to hunt!
the ar-15 that guy was using was a pistol in a rifle’s suit. he literally couldve used any gun…hunting rifle or whatever…and gotten to a similar ending point.
im not saying youre wrong, but we have to take a bigger look at the issue instead of just blaming the guns and thinking about what got people to that end.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:39 AM
I understand that. My only point is that its classified as an assault weapon/rifle. Whether or not it should be banned is another story. Personally, I’d have no problem lumping it in with another, tougher Brady Bill.
Larger magazines should also be looked at.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:39 AM
lol
December 17th, 2012 at 10:40 AM
yea, this i dont have a problem with. and, if there were a way to regulate ammunition sales, that’d be more effective than a gun ban. can’t shoot 20 kids if you can’t afford 10 bullets.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:41 AM
there’s just no way to regulate ammo…it’s too cheaply made and too easy to make at home.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:42 AM
Good post on the media’s rush to judgment.
http://www.mattbors.com/blog/2012/12/16/i-am-facebook-friends-with-ryan-lanza-which-became-a-problem/
December 17th, 2012 at 10:42 AM
Just keep thinking guns are the problem. This should be resolved in no time. People aren’t the problem, it’s the guns. Tougher gun laws will fix everything. That, and putting more people in jail. It’s worked so well for the war on drugs you see.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:42 AM
Hell, I’ll put the question to any of the pro-gun nuts*.
*there is a distinction between supporting the 2nd Amendment and being an gun nut. Again, I own and gun and know many responsible gun owners. I’m talking about the “arm teachers, give everyone a gun, no limits on ownership, status-quo” people.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:43 AM
this was funny.
/topical
December 17th, 2012 at 10:43 AM
I’m capable of thinking that both are the problem, personally.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:44 AM
Michael Jackson’s hair died to protect our kids from Coca-Cola.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:44 AM
That kid obviously has bigger issues at the moment but boy oh boy I envy the lawyer who is going to be representing him against all the outlets that ran with his information.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:45 AM
I love the “rap” guy in that photo, spence.
Mole, both are the problem, yes. It’s not an either/or proposition.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:45 AM
I’ve been spending my time recently thinking that I need to discover time travel as a way to get back to 1974 since I read on the internet about how that was the zenith of the American Experiment
December 17th, 2012 at 10:46 AM
i could get behind this, tho the alternative is a return to the knuckledragging alpha male who can swing the biggest stick…ah, im just fuckin’ around at this point. i cant even continue that line of thinking with a straight face.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:46 AM
what does the “AR” in AR-15 stand for?
also, is it noteworthy that the NRA has taken down their facebook page and not posted anything on their twitter feed re: Newtown?
December 17th, 2012 at 10:47 AM
Pepsi would have had a pedophile endorse their brand
December 17th, 2012 at 10:47 AM
I consider you one of the funniest commeters of all time here, but I found that neither witty or funny. But then again I think Rush is a certidfied POS so maybe that clouded my judgement.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:48 AM
Seems to be logical that the ‘how’ of the crime is a factor over:
Gay Marriage/baggy pants (traditional values?)
Video games
Movies/Television
Kids on lawns straight up loitering
December 17th, 2012 at 10:48 AM
ArmaLite, the company that designed it. They preface all their weapons with AR.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:48 AM
They’re probably just riding out the storm until America moves onto something else in a few weeks as we sadly do all the time.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:49 AM
Tim Ryan’s a Rush Limbaugh fan because they share a tailor
December 17th, 2012 at 10:49 AM
I have no problems with having discussions around an assault weapon ban/limitation, same with high-capacity magazines that fire off an entire round with a single pull of the trigger, and also how easily it seems you can buy a shit-ton of ammo online.
What doesn’t make sense to me, however, is the call for (more) bans on handguns — simply because we have the evidence (Chicago, D.C.) that they do not work. And also because Americans have the right to arm themselves. The debate should be — yes, but to what extent?
Note: I do not own a gun and will never own one. I’d rather have a German Shepherd guarding my house.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:49 AM
i too think rush is a certified POS, which might be why i thought it was funny. for all the shit he’s slung speaking as a self-appointed voice of the white right, i think he’s an appropriate scapegoat for all this, even tho he’s not involved in the slightest.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:50 AM
Though the one he used wasn’t ArmaLite, it was a Bushmaster, and designed on the M4 platform. The M4 is the carbine version of the M16.
Gotta hunt those super squirrels.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
thanks @cowboy & @queefer
December 17th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
yea, that’s the best form of home deterrent, but, and im just playing devil’s advocate here, a protective, aggressive dog is far more a present danger than a hidden gun.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
Pretty much agreed.
Especially on the last point. When I go home next week for Christmas I’ll be in a house with over thirty firearms (plus some crossbows!), always just the tiniest bit uncomfortable but I do trust the owner with my life.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:52 AM
Is anyone really talking about banning guns? Or is that how the right/NRA want to paint anyone discussing sensible firearm restrictions?
December 17th, 2012 at 10:53 AM
Well this was disappointing.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:53 AM
well…
December 17th, 2012 at 10:55 AM
No that is funnah.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:55 AM
I think that Mike thought I was on Friday because I made a comment about how all it took in Britain was Dunblane, a similar situation (in terms of the victims), to lead to a ban. I didn’t mean that as it should cause a ban here, merely that in the wake of it there seem to be many who don’t think we should even have the discussion about the gun violence issue while in other countries similar things have led to straight up bans. Just a dissatisfaction with the way discourse goes in this country.
Though I have seen a shitload of people retweeting things about how we should ban guns, and I think it’s kind of a lazy reactionary way to approach it.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
Is Tim really a fat fuck?
December 17th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
and speaking of stopping power, tim ryan’s waistline wishes he had more.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
That’s fair. The thing is I’m comfortable letting grown, law-abiding adults make their own decisions on how to best guard their home.
To an obviously much simpler degree, the call to ban handguns reminds me of Bloomberg’s crusade against soda. I rarely drink soda (and if I do, it’s a Coke Zero) but I believe that adults can make their own beverage choices, even if it means it’ll rot their teeth and make them fat.
I also believe that if you want to defend your home and your family with a handgun, then that is also your choice to make.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:57 AM
Not a huge fan of hers, but that photo is like an AR-15 poppin’ off in my pants.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:57 AM
I think it is both. Just looking at social media, there are people raging to eliminate all guns and there are plenty of “from my cold dead hand” statements also. Everything in this country is too the extreme…. (I rock a mic like a vandal).
December 17th, 2012 at 10:57 AM
we should ban giving a shit about what those pussy ass, tea drinking, red coat wearing, capitulating fags do and more about shootin’ deer from 10-yards with an elephant gun.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:58 AM
Sandusky goes through it by the case.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:59 AM
Are you unfamiliar with the cities of New York, Chicago, and Washington, D.C.? They do not have “sensible” restrictions, they do (or at one point, did) flat out ban handguns.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:03 AM
At which caliber do these rifles become “elephant guns”?
December 17th, 2012 at 11:03 AM
Toronto has a handgun ban, I’m for it. Makes it easier to arrest those who are dangerous because you can always pop them with a handgun charge. Criminals can always obtain illegal guns but at least that gives you something to arrest them over, legal gun ownership with intent to commit crimes is much harder to prosecute. Understand the cultures are vastly different in this regard.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:04 AM
my pits are totally shredding that powder, yo, thanks to this extreme deodorant.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:05 AM
at this caliber.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:05 AM
Spence so you’re telling me that the military has made unpopular opinions based on the pressure of arms companies to order massive amounts of their rifles over a competitors? SURELY NOT!
Agreed with this too. Though I would never go the handgun route. If someone breaks in to my parents house I will be reaching for the pistol grip Benelli over any of the pistols.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:06 AM
YouTube is blocked at work spence….
December 17th, 2012 at 11:06 AM
I was going to say that it’s not so much the culture as just the amount of guns on the open market. But then, that is part of our culture here is it not.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:06 AM
im pretty sure that weight was one of the bigger issues in the decision. the old wood guns with 7.62mm ammo was very heavy. smaller bullets and lighter materials meant more could be carried.
i see what youre getting at.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:07 AM
your loss…vid’s some classic lulz.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:08 AM
Why do mass shootings occur at schools and other “gun free” zones?
“Gun-free zones have been the most popular response to previous mass killings. But many law-enforcement officials say they are actually counterproductive. “Guns are already banned in schools. That is why the shootings happen in schools. A school is a ‘helpless-victim zone,’” says Richard Mack, a former Arizona sheriff. “Preventing any adult at a school from having access to a firearm eliminates any chance the killer can be stopped in time to prevent a rampage,” Jim Kouri, the public-information officer of the National Association of Chiefs of Police, told me earlier this year at the time of the Aurora, Colo., Batman-movie shooting.”
“Crazy” doesn’t explain this. These guys chose to these places for logical reasons (at least to them).
“…the Aurora shooter, who killed twelve people earlier this year, had a choice of seven movie theaters that were showing the Batman movie he was obsessed with. All were within a 20-minute drive of his home. The Cinemark Theater the killer ultimately chose wasn’t the closest, but it was the only one that posted signs saying it banned concealed handguns carried by law-abiding individuals. All of the other theaters allowed the approximately 4 percent of Colorado adults who have a concealed-handgun permit to enter with their weapons.”
Read the whole thing here: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335739/facts-about-mass-shootings-john-fund
I am in favor of gun registration and monitoring by law enforcement – the 2nd Amendment is not absolute (IMO). I think we are better off monitoring psychotics and their access to firearms then thinking a blanket ban will work.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:09 AM
great analogy since 26 people were just drowned in a mass sugared drink attack.
it’s not about banning guns, it’s about making sure we are doing enough to keep innocent people safe in the future.
guess we might as well just have to wait for a religious extremist group to buy a cache of guns at an unregulated gun show and attack civilians before we can get any motivation to do anything.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:09 AM
Slurm.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:10 AM
The key difference, of course, is that choosing to drink soda only hurts you, while guns can hurt many.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:11 AM
We have 30 gun holders per 100,000 to your 88. Homicides per 100,000 is 0.5 to your 2.97. Maybe fat people just like shooting other people?
December 17th, 2012 at 11:11 AM
Holy shit what a pile of crazy that NR article is.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:12 AM
“Uh actually this causes obesity which is destroying this country from the ground floor financially, I shouldn’t have to pay for those people.”
/Gawker commenter
//who fetishes the scotch and cigarettes culture of Mad Men
December 17th, 2012 at 11:12 AM
and yet aggressive dogs that would be used for home protection are more likely banned than a firearm in most states. pit bull, Rottweiler, mastiffs, german shepherds, great danes, Dobermans, etc have been banned in several parts of the country.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:14 AM
How did I defeat the killbots, simple, I sent wave after wave of my own men knowing full well that eventually the killbots would reach there kill limit and shut down.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:15 AM
and there’s a problem with that as well…a lot of those dogs have their vocal cords removed so they can be silent guards for those dealing in illicit industries. so there’s a hidden danger and no regulated accountability for the owner.
again, just playing devil’s advocate here. im not sure where i stand.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:16 AM
Tell that to the airplane passengers who have to set next to Tim Ryan
December 17th, 2012 at 11:17 AM
I have never heard of that
December 17th, 2012 at 11:17 AM
missed this earlier…sounds fucking awesome.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:17 AM
/rimshot!
December 17th, 2012 at 11:18 AM
first, I understand you qualified your analogy saying it’s simpler and therefore is not perfect, but my problem is my consumption of a 32 oz. Coke* can’t accidentally kill my neighbor if I’m washing out the cup and accidentally leave the straw in it.
I’m a gun owner. I’m 31 and have been shooting guns since I was either 5 or 6…can’t remember exactly how old I was. I’m becoming increasingly wary of other people and their carelessness with their gun(s), including my own family.
I understand your analogy. I completely agree with you on your dislike of that ban…I feel that an adult should be able to make any choice on how they want to treat their body whether it’s soda, sugar, tobacco, the sauce, seatbelts, etc. I’m a big believer in personal responsibility and living in the bed you make for yourself. however, I don’t like that my next door neighbor leaves a round in the chamber at all times in the handgun in his nightstand that just happens to be pointing at the playroom in my house.
it’s a complicated issue, and I’m not alliterating my thoughts very well. historically, I’m a pro-gun rights and ownership guy. lately (last 3-5 years probably), I’m softening on that stance, but I don’t think a ban is the answer. I’ll be the first to admit that my change in attitude is due to two things: media coverage of mass killings in schools/theaters/churchs/etc., and some experiences my youngest brother relayed to me from his time in the military.
*fuck Pepsi
December 17th, 2012 at 11:19 AM
clearly we just have to keep one upping the criminals in self protection, and it makes sense, because the gorillas will just freeze to death in the winter anyway.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:20 AM
hahahaha. you win.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:20 AM
Hey now, let’s not get carried away …
Goddamn it, next you’ll be piling on the oldies as well.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:23 AM
Apparently the “analogy” wasn’t hedged and qualified quite enough for the self-righteous among us.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:23 AM
I was going to DM you and ask for a headshot gallery so I knew who the rest of the golfer were.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:24 AM
I laughed far too much at this to be considered a decent human being.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:24 AM
lol…id have given you a full dossier on each participant. i was hungover as shit and bored as fuck yesterday.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:25 AM
Fine. Maybe the better, less imperfect “analogy” would be alcohol.
There are more drunk driving deaths per year than gun-related deaths.
Second look at Prohibition?
December 17th, 2012 at 11:26 AM
oh you bastard…we’re so close to my mellow being legal, dont fuck with it now.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:27 AM
I started seeing faces I recognized Wednesday night. The tournament started Thursday and I flew out Friday morning so I didn’t have a huge window to see people. DLIII was in the elevator with me, and I met Arnie in the lobby.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:29 AM
id have gotten a no-homo-semi if i met arnie. did DL3 get off a floor early as a metaphor for his chokery?
/i kid, i like DL3…that swing is syrupy sweet
December 17th, 2012 at 11:31 AM
fuck you, Mike. I thought we were having a conversation and you were being reasonable for a minute without taking an extreme view and rendering the conversation a waste of time and space. my response was a well-reasoned thought to why I disagreed with your analogy and an explanation that it’s not just about personal responsibility but also about the direct danger to others. I guess you just didn’t read the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th paragraphs of my comment that agreed with your premise.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:31 AM
Gotta love DL3 for being a Harley riding golfer
December 17th, 2012 at 11:32 AM
December 17th, 2012 at 11:32 AM
I actually brought this up in one of the Murdering Cowboy OL posts, the fact that we actually have just about the most lenient drunk driving laws in the civilized world. Don’t have to reinstate prohibition, but a policing strategy that focused on actual punishments rather than just fines would do wonders.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:33 AM
First time since Labor Day on Saturday. My GOD it was glorious.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:33 AM
Too late. Queefer did that already.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:34 AM
dude, that’s the best. first one after a long break…money.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:36 AM
That wasn’t directed at you specifically. I just used your blockquote to transition over to the alcohol/drunk driving comparison.
I agreed with most of your comment.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:37 AM
Why not install the breathalyzer thing on all ignitions?
December 17th, 2012 at 12:01 PM
The day that politicians are NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE MONEY FROM LOBBIES representing the NRA, is the day that serious gun-control talk will start on Capitol Hill.
December 17th, 2012 at 12:30 PM
oh, in that case, no blood no foul.