Los Angeles Lakers Are Not a Typical 9-13 Team, So Past Results of Losing Teams Don’t Apply
The Los Angeles Lakers have the 10th worst record in the league and are in 12th place in the Western Conference. They are also 8th best in point differential, and 5th best in the West. The Lakers are only 1-9 in games decided by single digits, though, often collapsing in the fourth quarter as teams attack their weaknesses.
From Tom Habertstroh, the teams that have started 9-13 since 1997 have averaged 37 wins on the year. The 2003 Lakers and the 2000 Timberwolves had the most wins, at 50.
Of course, these Lakers are not a typical 9-13 team for any number of reasons. They were among the preseason favorites in the West. They have several future Hall of Famers. Injuries can at least in part explain their start.
Also, no other 9-13 team has had as large of a point difference. Going back to the 1979-1980 season (using basketball-reference’s team game finder), no other team starting 9-13 is even close. The 1995-1996 Detroit Pistons had the best point difference at +21; Los Angeles is at +59 this year. That Detroit team finished 46-36.
If we soften up our restrictions and look at teams with losing records after 22 games, only two others had a higher point difference than this year’s Lakers. The 1989-1990 Suns started +100 despite a 10-12 record. They rebounded to win 44 of their final 60 games. The 1985-1986 Supersonics were at +67. They did not rebound, and finished 31-51.
Taking the ten “best” point differences among losing teams after 22 games, we get an average of 42.7 wins on the year. Those ten had an average point difference of +45, 14 points lower than the current Lakers. Those numbers are skewed down by two teams that went 31-51. The median is 43.5, and the eight others all finished at .500 or better.
The Lakers may be flawed, but even beyond the numbers they are probably better than the typical team with a good point difference but losing record early. The angst from Laker Land does taste sweet, but this isn’t your typical 9-13 team. There are none like them. My guess? I’d put their over/under on wins at 49, with a rebound more similar to those 1990 Suns.
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December 12th, 2012 at 4:37 PM
They need to trade for Jason Maxiell.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:39 PM
Hmmm. So that’s, what…40-20 the rest of the way? I wonder if you can get a Lakers total at any online books at this point in the season?
I agree they will rebound, but don’t know how much action you’d get on the “over” at 49. Probably none.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Lisk!!! A basketball post, who knew?
I’d put their over/under on wins at 49, with a rebound more similar to those 1990 Suns.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:42 PM
Lisk!!! A basketball post, who knew?
I’d go under without knowing the specifics of the Gasol-Nash timetable. 03 Lakers won 50 after and 11-19 start, but they had way more talent. West is awful aside from SA, Mem, OKC, so that’s the argument for the over
/fixed
December 12th, 2012 at 4:43 PM
sctrojans does tend to repeat himself.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:45 PM
Clippers are not awful…and obviously, the Warriors are now one of the league’s top tier teams, if not the best of all-time.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:45 PM
True. I’m not a diligent proofreader
December 12th, 2012 at 4:45 PM
Lisk!!! A basketball post, who knew?
I’d put their over/under on wins at 49, with a rebound more similar to those 1990 Suns.
I’ll do a lot more college basketball stuff once NFL slows down. I’m 6’4″ and used to be gangly (not so much now) so the sport I played poorly the most was basketball. Used to watch a lot more NBA back in the Jordan days than I have time for now.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:46 PM
That’s fair about the Clipps. They are competent, though I’m not buying them as a contender
December 12th, 2012 at 4:47 PM
Golden State would like a word. And Dallas is fouling off pitches right now. But I can totally dig a “The West is overrated” narrative.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:47 PM
so are they better than the wizards, lisk?
December 12th, 2012 at 4:48 PM
I’m not buying Golden State AT ALL
December 12th, 2012 at 4:51 PM
The Clippers are pretty deep but they have a huge weakness at head coach.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:53 PM
ALIENS.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:53 PM
Id say tonight is a nice little barometer, but from what I hear, the Heat don’t give a shit about regular season games.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:54 PM
The one thing I think you should have considered in your estimate is that the Lakers have played 13 home games and only 9 road games. Home teams win over 60% of their games in the NBA.
I will now officially take the under.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:54 PM
Damn, it’s like you were describing me.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:56 PM
They sure do. Defensive personnel is weak too
December 12th, 2012 at 4:56 PM
Mike D’Antoni is no Cotton Fitzsimmons, that’s for sure
December 12th, 2012 at 4:58 PM
Me too!
/Team “76 inches”
December 12th, 2012 at 5:00 PM
YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP
December 12th, 2012 at 5:03 PM
Lakers are struggling because D’Antoni is no longer an offensive mastermind who can scheme…
I keed, I keed.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:04 PM
sarahcphilly needs to post here more often.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:05 PM
I’m 6’4″ and used to be gangly (not so much now) so the sport I played poorly the most was basketball. Used to watch a lot more NBA back in the Jordan days than I have time for now.
Damn, it’s like you were describing me.
So this is what it’s like, when doves cry.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:05 PM
Huh. So you’re Freddie Washington. And all along I thought you were Horshack.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:09 PM
anaphcphilly. Damn trying to remember things that you read over 12 seconds before
December 12th, 2012 at 5:12 PM
Football posts run strong with discussion for 150 comments. NBA posts get to 17 max before topic changes
/weeps
December 12th, 2012 at 5:14 PM
you know what kicks some ass? golf.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:15 PM
the girl in that trax ad in the upper right hand corner of the page seems to have quite the toilet.
if i am going to be annoyed with ads, i would at least like to look at a butt and not a greasy jim rome.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:18 PM
Any team with strong guard play will be giving the Lakers the business this year, with or without Steve Nash. The Lakers will be a 40-45 win team.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:21 PM
Football posts run strong with discussion for 150 comments.
Half the posts were about how to pronounce Siobahn.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:22 PM
oops, comments.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:24 PM
you suck at math/counting
December 12th, 2012 at 5:25 PM
I’d be shocked if the Lakers didnt make the playoffs.
With so many horrible teams in the NBA, that would be quite the feat.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:28 PM
Does anyone think the NBA season is way too long?
There is practically zero parity in the NBA. By far the worst of the major sports leagues.
Seems like we go on a 6-7 month regular season to put over half of the teams in the league in the playoffs. Teams like the Heat, Knicks, Spurs, Thunder we all know are gonna be there at the end of the year. The grind of going through an 82 game season seems so pointless and too long in my opinion.
And has there ever been a team that comes out of the blue to win a championship in the NBA? Ever?
December 12th, 2012 at 5:31 PM
Everyone KNOWS it’s too long. That’s a money grab
There is more parity in NBA than MLB, but the nature of baseball lends itself to winning %s closer to .500
Never. But that is because NBA has the best playoff structure, in terms of actually crowning the best team
December 12th, 2012 at 5:34 PM
Mavs were pretty lightly regarded a couple years ago when they won. Although they were still (I think) a 3 seed and obviously had been good in prior years. Pistons I think were also a 3 in 2004 when they were huge underdogs against the Lakers. But whatever I agree with what you’ve said pretty much.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:35 PM
So they crown the best team out of the 4 or 5 that actually have a chance to win it? Who cares.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:36 PM
This comment is just wrong.
NBA has what? 8 champions the last 32 years? More teams in baseball have a chance to win it all every season than the NBA ever has.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:39 PM
This is because one dominant player can win multiple titles in basketball. It’s the nature of the game. Baseball just instituted a salary cap (I know not in name, but in function). There have been a handful of baseball team who have been non-competitive for 15 year stretches
December 12th, 2012 at 5:43 PM
And every year there are over 20 NBA teams that have not shot to win a title.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:43 PM
D’Antoni is no Alvin Gentry let alone Cotton.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:45 PM
Accurate.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:47 PM
The best defense of the NBA is that it’s the best league for gambling, by a wide margin
December 12th, 2012 at 5:48 PM
Royals and Pirates are the only two that come to mind.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:48 PM
Wouldnt that be the NFL?
December 12th, 2012 at 5:52 PM
Im not saying the NBA isnt entertaining though.
When the top players on the top teams meet up, it makes for great watching.
It just sucks being a fan of the bottom feeders that the top teams beat up on every year, and even when you have a decent year and maybe make the playoffs, you know you have no shot to go anywhere.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:53 PM
Baseball being a sport that falls more to chance than basketball doesn’t make the MLB playoffs any better than the NBA, just different. A team having a great regular season in baseball and then falling prey to a hot pitching staff in the postseason makes the regular season almost worthless. It all depends how you look at it. There is more value in the NBA season, where homecourt matters more in the playoffs, than any of the other big 4 sports.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:54 PM
Na. Not enough games. Also too volatile, in that teams are so close that games are often decided by a fluky play or bad call.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:56 PM
This is all true, but gambling salvages it. Maybe it’s because I have the most expertise in basketball compared to other sports, but I find the most value in NBA lines
December 12th, 2012 at 6:00 PM
I think this is most true in the NFL and even college basketball. Any one and done type format where one bad game, or one game where a team catches fire, and your done.
Hell, the Packers were 15-1 last year. Dont you think the regular season records and accolades felt meaningless after there one and only playoff game loss to New York?
December 12th, 2012 at 6:01 PM
There is more value in the NBA season, where homecourt matters more in the playoffs, than any of the other big 4 sports.
I think that’s true but I also think the Lisk signal has been lit
December 12th, 2012 at 6:03 PM
MLB has an 162 game reg season, yet it takes 11 wins to win the world series. This is an absurd ratio. MLB playoffs are a joke
December 12th, 2012 at 6:04 PM
Yes, but single elimination is unavoidable in football
December 12th, 2012 at 6:09 PM
I agree that MLB playoffs are a crap shoot. But how can you really improve it? I think the one game playoff is dumb and all series should be 7 games.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:59 AM
Let’s see:
Old point guard whose wheels finally fell off.
Forward with bad knees who doesn’t fit the system.
Alleged superstar that’s crying like a baby playing second fiddle and somehow managed to become even worse at free throws.
Yep, that sounds like a recipe for success.