AFC Playoff Picture: New England’s Destruction of Texans Makes a Tight Race for the Top
New England destroyed Houston Monday, getting both the bounces (two fumbles near the red zone, once which bounced to Lloyd for a touchdown) and the precise play from Brady to put up a 42-14 victory. Before we declare that the Texans cannot compete, just remember that a couple of years ago, the Patriots beat the Jets 45-3 in a late season Monday Night game, and lost the rematch in the playoffs at home. In fact, the playoffs are littered with such cases. Houston will have to play much better (and get the third down conversions, fumble recoveries, etc.) to have a chance.
Even with that, though, any rematch may still come in Houston. The race for the #1 seed, though, became a race when it could have been a foregone conclusion. Let’s go through the playoff scenarios for each eligible team in the AFC:
Houston Texans: Houston is still in the lead in the AFC, but has not clinched the division thanks to the Colts improbable 9-4 record. Houston wins the AFC South with a win over Indianapolis this week OR a win vs. Minnesota and an Indianapolis loss in week 16 OR a win over the Colts in the finale.
As for the top seed, win all remaining games, and the Texans get the #1 seed. If they go 2-1 in the final three games, they cannot finish lower than a #2 seed. Houston would lose a head to head tiebreaker to New England, or a three way tiebreaker to New England that also involves Denver. They would still finish ahead of Denver thanks to the earlier win, though.
New England Patriots: The Patriots have clinched the AFC East. Win out against San Francisco, Jacksonville and Miami, and they can do no worse than a #2 seed. The Patriots hold the tiebreaker over Houston and Denver in a two or three way tiebreaker. The Patriots are now a game clear of Baltimore, but would lose a 2-way or 3-way tiebreaker involving Baltimore at 12-4 (which assumes a win by the Ravens over Denver).
Denver Broncos: Denver is within a game of New England and Houston, but trails both in the tiebreaker thanks to losses against each. Denver can for all practical purposes clinch the #3 seed with a win at Baltimore. In order to get a bye, Denver needs to win out against Baltimore, Cleveland, and Kansas City, and then have New England lose a game (or the Texans lose two).
Baltimore Ravens: Baltimore clinches a playoff spot and the AFC North with a win over Denver. If they get to 10 wins, they would win a tiebreaker over either Cincinnati (division record) or Pittsburgh (conference record) even if one of those teams won out. They would also clinch a playoff spot, even with a loss, if Pittsburgh or Cincinnati lose, and clinch the division if both Pittsburgh and Cincinnati lose this week. This is because Baltimore would hold the tiebreaker over any team that can get to 9-7 (Steelers, Bengals, Jets).
Indianapolis Colts: Indianapolis can win the AFC South by winning out, including a sweep of Houston, or can win by sweeping Houston if the Texans also lose to Minnesota. The Colts clinch a playoff spot with one more win the rest of the year.
They can also clinch a playoff spot even with a loss this week if the Jets lose (since New York would have a tiebreaker over them at 9-7), AND the Bengals lose this week. This would insure a playoff spot because either Cincinnati would win over Pittsburgh (giving the Steelers seven conference losses), or get their eighth loss against Pittsburgh in week 16, meaning no one could catch Indianapolis at 9-7.
Pittsburgh Steelers: Pittsburgh is currently in front in the wildcard. They still play Cincinnati at home, and that game is largely determinative. If Pittsburgh gets to 9-7, and it includes a 2nd win over Cincinnati, they are in the playoffs unless there is a three-way tie at 9-7 with Indianapolis and the NY Jets. (In that case, the Steelers’ bad conference record would come into play, since not all three teams played each other).
Pittsburgh cannot finish below Cincinnati in a tiebreaker with another head to head win. They could still win a tiebreaker over Cincinnati at 9-7 with a loss to the Bengals in week 16, IF Cincinnati’s remaining loss came to Baltimore (division record).
Cincinnati Bengals: The Bengals need to win at Pittsburgh in week 16. The scenarios where they get in with a loss to Pittsburgh while winning the other two games to get to 9-7 would require two of the following: (1) the Steelers to lose the rest of their games to finish 8-8, (2) the Jets to lose a game, or (3) the Colts to lose all remaining games to finish 9-7, and Bengals win Strength of Victory tiebreaker (currently virtually even).
The Bengals get in at 10-6. At 9-7 with a win over Pittsburgh, they would make the playoffs so long as they did not lose to Baltimore and Pittsburgh also finished at 9-7. The Colts at 9-7 would go to a tiebreaker on Strength of Victory again, if the Bengals lost to Baltimore. If they beat Baltimore and Pittsburgh, Cincinnati is in, regardless of what happens this week.
New York Jets: New York is still alive at 6-7, and has a manageable closing schedule with Tennessee, San Diego at home, and Buffalo. If they get to 9-7, the Jets would still need help. They would lose a tiebreaker with Pittsburgh. They would win a three-way tiebreaker that included the Colts at 9-7, however. They could win a tiebreaker with the Bengals, but that would go to Strength of Victory, something that is too close to call right now.
New York could also make it at 8-8, but those scenarios are crazy right now, and would require Cincinnati to beat Pittsburgh but lose all other games, Pittsburgh to lose twice to Cincinnati and Cleveland, and host of other things.
Cleveland Browns, San Diego Chargers, Buffalo Bills, and Miami Dolphins: These teams are alive, mathematically. They would each have to win out, and could then conceivably win a tiebreaker if none of the Steelers, Bengals, and Jets wins more than 8 games. Cleveland is best positioned because they play Pittsburgh in the finale, thus being able to give them a loss directly.

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December 12th, 2012 at 3:27 PM
the worst thing you can give a Bills fan is hope.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:28 PM
Don’t see any of the other teams beating New England at this stage.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:29 PM
BROWNS.
/they aint makin the playoffs, but they’re damn fun to watch
December 12th, 2012 at 3:30 PM
Oh a gif! I love it when they imbed them in the post and it slows down the page loading!
Seriously though Lisk. Great post.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:32 PM
The Browns need to win the big Pensacola RB championship this weekend to stay alive
December 12th, 2012 at 3:32 PM
I think the Pats should be concerned if Denver wins out and they lose to SF, having to play at Denver would not be good for business.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:34 PM
I can see it easily, and I’m a Pats fan. Their team has weaknesses just like the other top teams.
Absolutely, the one place I don’t want them to have to play.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:36 PM
denver vs. NE plz.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:37 PM
denver vs. NE plz.
yep, and NE is going down.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:39 PM
I want to believe in Denver, but I have to see them beat a good team first. I’m not sure Baltimore counts these days.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:40 PM
Denver has no running game
December 12th, 2012 at 3:40 PM
Go Steelers!
December 12th, 2012 at 3:41 PM
A possibility, but not a given. I think the NFL playoffs have shown over the recent era that the games and outcomes are quite unpredictable.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:41 PM
sure, good points both…im just a sucker for brady vs. mannings.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:41 PM
BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
December 12th, 2012 at 3:42 PM
I think DEN/NE would be a great game to watch though, would be interesting to see how NE’s revamped secondary would fare against Fetus Head.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:45 PM
I absolutely love that NASA took the time to make this video: http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/12/nasa-science-prepares-for-the-not-end-of-the-world/?hpt=hp_t3
December 12th, 2012 at 3:45 PM
NE got a lot of lucky bounces against Houston. Was that Watt who chased down Woodhead? That size/speed combination is unreal. The SB will be Manning v. Manning. Peyton’s pissed…I bet he feels that everyone wrote him off. NE isn’t beating him again.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:45 PM
Aqib Talib might attempt to put a bullet in one of Peyton’s ruptured duck passes.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:45 PM
Lisk – I know it’s not happening, but isn’t there still a path for the Colts to get the #1 overall? I thought FO still had some minuscule percentage tagged to that.
And for the record, unless the Colts get the Ravens in a #4v#5 matchup, they are getting boatraced out of the playoffs
December 12th, 2012 at 3:46 PM
/Goes to make Browns joke
//Fumbles
December 12th, 2012 at 3:47 PM
they should get more money.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:48 PM
i lolled…whether that was at your own expense or mine, doesn’t make a difference.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:48 PM
Is McGahee done for the year?
December 12th, 2012 at 3:48 PM
If Houston doesn’t lay the smack down this week, I will lose all respect for them.
As confident as I felt on Monday, is how nervous I’d feel before a Denver-Pats playoff game. In the ‘non-NYG’ category, the Broncos and Peyton are responsible for most bad Patriot losses since 2004.
Denver used to love to beat up on NE when they had Elway. If Jacksonville didn’t know them off in 1996, that SB would never have happened.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:49 PM
They also beat the piss out of them, are you saying this only happened because of those bounces?
December 12th, 2012 at 3:49 PM
I should have added
///8 times
to make sure you knew it was at my expense.
/goes back to work
December 12th, 2012 at 3:50 PM
Dammit, WWOS showed up.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:50 PM
They got that one, after the game was decided. If anything I’d say the Jets game was luckier, and not as big a blowout as it seemed. I thought they imposed their will on both sides of the ball, and controlled everything in that game. No guarantee they do it vs. SF, or even against Houston again, but I was impressed.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:50 PM
I’m not entirely buying New England. I don’t trust their secondary or their passrush. Houston and Baltimore can’t be trusted. Denver has fluffed up their record on a crap schedule. Reminds me of the Denver/Buffalo/Cincinnati AFC days when they’d get destroyed in the Super Bowl every year.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:50 PM
Early season NE-DEN game came when we were still starting Joe Mays at MLB, and Brady just vigorously assaulted him all game. Having Brooking back there has helped a ton. He’s just as slow but can actually make line calls.
That said, I think NE rolling out all those differently-sized backs is a huge advantage for them. Denver can be run on but most teams stop trying relatively early. NE got them in the nickel and kept them there for long stretches.
Of course, that game also featured some insane, not-likely-to-happen-again 3d and Long conversions for the Pats. Denver’s been much much better at closing the gate since.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:50 PM
I thought he might be back by the playoffs.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:51 PM
they should get more money.
Yes they should. Because the more we explore space the greater our knowledge here on earth is increased, which will lead people ceasing to be mouth breathing fuck sticks and start to ignore Doomsday prophecies.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:51 PM
He’s right. New England should have only won by 20. 28 point win was fraudy.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:51 PM
Lisk – I know it’s not happening, but isn’t there still a path for the Colts to get the #1 overall? I thought FO still had some minuscule percentage tagged to that.
And for the record, unless the Colts get the Ravens in a #4v#5 matchup, they are getting boatraced out of the playoffs
1) Colts win out to get to 12-4, eliminate Houston from contention.
2) Patriots lose two games
3) Ravens lose a game
Then, Colts would win tiebreaker over Denver on common opponents
December 12th, 2012 at 3:51 PM
that seemed unnecessary.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:52 PM
Quite the Pats’ dismissal. They beat Hou and Den like drums
December 12th, 2012 at 3:52 PM
I should add Denver lose a game to the above list. Denver at 12-4.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:52 PM
Shannon Sharpe on line 1.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:53 PM
that and i figure if “we paid” the auto industry thunderfuck our country’s economy and environment, we might as well foot the bill for figuring out how to escape this mess too.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:53 PM
Nor should you, but if they can get things clicking, this isn’t the shit-paste defense of last year. Jones and HIghtower are making a huge difference. Having Hightower fill the gaps after Wilfork eats up space is a huge benefit.
Difference to me is that there is no dominant NFC team to destroy them.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:53 PM
Homer day-dreaming that he’s John Elway and scoring late in the Super Bowl make the score 55-7 San Francisco is one of my favorite Simpsons gags
December 12th, 2012 at 3:53 PM
NFC has to be rooting for New England to win this conference come postseason time. Don’t think anyone coming out of the NFC wants anything to do with Houston or Denver.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:54 PM
Oh the fucking humanity. One of the worst sports memories ever. It was the first time I’d taken my then-GF/now-wife to my mom’s house. I completely spazzed, stomped out in a fury and left her there alone with a huge pack of extended family members she didn’t know.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:54 PM
He’s right. New England should have only won by 20. 28 point win was fraudy.
The range of outcomes depending on luck was a close game to a New England blowout. Two penalties on 3rd down to sustain drives (first legit, second I thought was not). Two failed fourth down attempts in NE territory. Fumbles recovered by NE right before scores.
NE dominated on a per play basis for large chunks, but you swing 5 plays in this game, it’s a close contest late. Average luck/performance on those key plays, it’s about a 14 point win.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:54 PM
It was half mocking. Google me.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:55 PM
i remember feeling legitimately bad for terrell davis after that game…wasnt that the last game of his first truly huge season?
December 12th, 2012 at 3:55 PM
OT (sort of)/
The Bungles & Browns combine to win the next 3(2013-15) AFC North crowns, right?
Both those teams have young talent on both sides of the ball and the Ravens/Stillers have old defenses, poor offensive lines and overrated skill position players.
Only way I see this not happening is that the Ravens/Stillers have competent front offices while the Browns/Bungles have a storied history of incompetence in their decision making.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:55 PM
I like the one where Gilbert Brown nearly has a heart attack in the Super Bow…oh, hold on.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
I expected their defense to improve, and think it will at least be ‘decent’ by the playoffs. There are no really juggernaut offenses this year, anyway. I’m just hoping they can get the WRs open downfield. Brady played great, but missed a couple guys (sometimes his fault sometimes not) just because there wasn’t the space to throw to. It’ll be interesting to see what they can do with basically two tight ends and a slot receiver as their main targets. Hopefully Lloyd can continue to get involved.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
They also beat the piss out of them, are you saying this only happened because of those bounces?
um…yeah. NE has kicked ass in the regular season before and it doesn’t translate to playoff success. Houston shit their pants Monday night. I’m overstating things, obviously, but I just don’t trust NE’s high-scoring ways.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
/Aaron Rodgers raises his hand
December 12th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
No
December 12th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
Fuck this.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
This comes up
December 12th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
I agree the pass interference was a BS call, and the fumble recoveries, but the two failed 4th down conversions by Houston count as luck?
December 12th, 2012 at 3:57 PM
human vacuum cleaner…i dont see it with the bengals, and i think the browns are still fairly far behind the other teams in the division, even tho they’re playing better. i think the ravens are the king of this shit heap for next year and maybe even 2014.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:57 PM
You mean the years that Buffalo cheated by faking injuries to prevent the Bengals from going hurry-up and kicking their asses?
December 12th, 2012 at 3:57 PM
I’d call getting to two Super Bowls in five years a success
December 12th, 2012 at 3:57 PM
Too concerned with Bronco o-linemen diving at his knees every snap, an understandable life decision made in that game
December 12th, 2012 at 3:57 PM
Pretty sure teams would be licking their chops to play Houston instead of the Pats. Matt Schaub or Tom Brady? Hmmmm
December 12th, 2012 at 3:57 PM
Yep. One of those games where you could just see the locomotive of shit bearing down on you but it’s only going like 5 miles an hour. Fucking Michael Dean Perry, man. Tory James dropping that pick in the first quarter.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:58 PM
Cleveland Browns, …. are alive, mathematically
Joe Banner are you reading this!!
December 12th, 2012 at 3:58 PM
Never trust the Bengals to be good when they’re supposed to be.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:59 PM
It all depends on which NFC team you are. I don’t think every NFC playoff contender is hoping to face NE.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:59 PM
I agree the pass interference was a BS call, and the fumble recoveries, but the two failed 4th down conversions by Houston count as luck?
Luck, not in the lucky bounce roll. More in the high leverage roll. Not converting on a high leverage play that is basically a coin flip going forward, has a big roll in outcome, but doesn’t necessarily mean the Texans can’t convert it next time, if there is one.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:00 PM
Belichick vs. Kubiak, too. Kubiak didn’t have any late-game decisions to make, but something went wrong with their gameplan. Their first two plays Foster ran for 25 yards, and then everything went to shit.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:00 PM
damn…one of my favs. read this on his wiki…
lol. not sure if he owns it or works there, just laugh at that family’s love of food.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:00 PM
I think the Browns are a playoff threat next year, assuming their offseason isn’t awful. AFC North is probably the best division in football this year
December 12th, 2012 at 4:00 PM
i dont see it with the bengals
Never trust the Bengals to be good when they’re supposed to be.
I feel like a head coaching change there would do wonders.
/understands the Mike B. is cheap and it won’t happen
December 12th, 2012 at 4:00 PM
You could fill that blank with just about any team from the last 7 years.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
Hey Cleet (or anyone)… can you rank the NFC teams in order of likelihood they’d beat the Pats in the SB? I could do it for the AFC, but I have no idea whom I’d want to play from the NFC
December 12th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
Only NYG would be in their right mind to hope for Pats
December 12th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
AJ’s the truth, andre smith aint bad (that OL is pretty good overall) and love atkins and burfict. i just don’t trust dalton at all. think he’s one of the fraudier QB’s out there right now.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
There’s 21 other guys that take the field. 10 of them for New England, save for their NT, are question marks. Green Bay would much rather face a Patriots shootout than Houston. New York, too. San Francisco is probably the only NFC team that doesn’t have a matchup preference for a championship. They just don’t want to see New York in their own conference.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:02 PM
I feel like a
head coachingownership change there would do wonders.December 12th, 2012 at 4:02 PM
Same thing with their cheerleaders. I see a nice piece of ace and she turns out to be a kiddy toucher.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:02 PM
I’d call getting to two Super Bowls in five years a success
After winning it all three out of four years? Winning superbowls is the expectation in NE.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:02 PM
I’d say the Steelers are still the best team as they have Rapie and the defense is still badass. Their OL can only improve and get DeCastro. BAL I think has the most potential to recede if/when Ed Reed shuts it down, and they are saddled with Flacco. Cincinatti has a nice team and will ride largely with the success of Dalton. CLE needs 1-2 playmakers on both sides of the ball.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:02 PM
NYG, Packers, Niners, Falcons, Seahawks, Bears, Skins, Cowboys, Vikes IMO
December 12th, 2012 at 4:03 PM
Doesn’t mean they will convert either. Pats missed some opportunities and went 3 and out for a stretch, doesn’t mean they would if they played again. I do agree if they meet again it will be a much closer game though, and no guarantee of Pats winning.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:03 PM
and go the opposite direction for NYG/GB/SEA* etc “sucked in the regular season and then went way further than expected. That the Patriots have gone to 5 SBs under Tom Brady is pretty impressive, whether they win the final game or not. Especially considering they were one flukely play from winning (or losing, whatever, not saying they should have won, just saying they easily could have)
*= one game
December 12th, 2012 at 4:03 PM
WE GOT THE BIG GUY ON SKATES
December 12th, 2012 at 4:03 PM
from what i heard before he got hurt, he was already disappointing. kind of a surprise. hows he doing now?
December 12th, 2012 at 4:04 PM
At this point, I want a Pats/Packers Super Bowl. Make it happen.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:04 PM
AFC North is probably the best division in football this year
I feel like they are becoming the NFC East and just living off the last few years. Most balanced/competitive division? Definitely. Best? I guess. Could argue AFC East as they don’t have one truly terrible teams. (Just 1 very good & 3 very mediocre.)
December 12th, 2012 at 4:04 PM
Untrue. Front seven is finally talented again. Secondary is bad though
December 12th, 2012 at 4:05 PM
I would switch Seahawks with Falcons and Skins with Bears, then I would concur.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:05 PM
really? It seems like teh Steelers secondary is pretty sorry and their front 7 hasn’t lived up to expectations. I know there are some injuries, and that they rank high, but they just aren’t the D of 3-4 years ago.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:05 PM
Not to mention the Texans defense of late. And the running game is not exactly top notch this year. They seem like a barely above average team at this point.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:05 PM
Could argue Browns would be second best in AFC East
December 12th, 2012 at 4:05 PM
Discounting Hightower, Jones, and Mayo is dumb.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:06 PM
And I missed the first few quarters of this year’s DEN-NE matchup because I was drinking at an Indian casino in Washington, but didn’t Demaryius drop and fumble a sure score early?
December 12th, 2012 at 4:07 PM
I’m pretty okay with this, completely agree 5 -> 9. I guess Sunday will let me know more about SF, but a near-rookie QB in the Superbowl would make me nervous. I have no idea if my fear of NYG is historic, or matchup-based.
NYG and ATL (and to some degree GB still) have the WR corps to disrupt the Pats ability to be flexible in blitz/coverage schemes. Not sure Talib is handling most of those guys one-on-one for half a game.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:07 PM
Starting RG this week. Not sure how much he will be tested if Ratliff is out though. Also, before he got hurt M. Adams was looking really good at RT. Hopefully he is back next week. Need his run blocking.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:08 PM
too young, too raw right now. if they had a chance, id be homer-ing the shit out of em, but way too many mistakes still. lotta upside tho…love the WR’s, RB and OL and i like weeden long term. need some help on D, but things are lookin up!
December 12th, 2012 at 4:08 PM
It wasn’t a TD, breakaway catch that probably would have lead to a TD. Also, the Pats were driving to put the game away when Ridley fumbled, then Denver fumbled back. It was an odd game and I don’t think the rematch looks anything like it.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:08 PM
RGIII is terrifying, but I feel like the SEA game was just like the AZ game, a letdown, and terrible play-calling, but the team doesn’t scare me a ton going forward.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:08 PM
Not to mention the Texans defense of late.
This has really been bothering me. Is the loss of Cushing and Reed really that big? Mercilus has been doing well in Reed’s absence, but our secondary coverage seems to have gotten weak.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:09 PM
Could argue Browns would be second best in AFC East
After watching them outplay the Ravens for 5 of 8 quarters this year (and catching most of the Dallas & Pittsburgh games), I would agree.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:09 PM
I like thinking about the possibility of the Pats losing 3 Super Bowls. I gotta believe the Pack (with at least Woodson healthy), NYG and Niners can all handle them.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:09 PM
physically, he’s unbelievable, a true freak athlete. his HS highlights remain the gold standard for “d1 OLmen vs scrub 200 lb. HS DE snuff film.” that was never the issue with him at OSU…he’s just such a fucking moron tho.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:09 PM
It’s their natural pass rush. That’s the easiest way to beat the Pats
December 12th, 2012 at 4:09 PM
Steelers defense has been really good with the exception of no splash plays. Sacks are down and they have sucked at forcing turnovers for the most part. But given how many injuries to their better players (Troy, Woodley and now Ike) they have been really good.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Could argue the Browns are the second best in the AFC North
/let you all figure out which team I’m insulting
December 12th, 2012 at 4:10 PM
counterpoint: after watching them get smoked by the bills and give away losses to philly and indy, id say they’re still some time away.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Even if it’s not what it was 3-4 years ago, it’s still a good defense. Problem is, in this day and age the type of defense that will get you to the promise land is the ones that create turnovers and multiple sacks a game. Hell, look at NO in 09. That D still gave up yards and it was any normal year for Brees, but key turnovers late in the game is what helped them win a Super Bowl. This is what this Steelers defense has been allergic to in the last 2 years.
/a starter going down with an injury every game also doesn’t help
December 12th, 2012 at 4:11 PM
Right, that’s what I meant. Like he did against the Raiders. Now that he’s holding on to the ball, he’s pretty good.
Although he *did* go to Georgia Tech which I hear means he sucks.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:12 PM
The run game and secondary are concerning for Seattle, but they don’t scare me outside of Qwest-whatever-it’s-called-now
December 12th, 2012 at 4:12 PM
they’ve already lost 3 (recently plus 4th in ’86). you’d be able to say they’ve lost 5. More losses than the Vikings!
December 12th, 2012 at 4:12 PM
how do you pronounce the name “Siobhan?”
December 12th, 2012 at 4:12 PM
Doesn’t it seem like the negatives of two games get more attention than anything though? They’ve laid two eggs this year. They beat Denver, Chicago and Detroit on the road. They also housed the Ravens.
I think they have matchup problems just like any other team. New England and Green Bay exploit those weaknesses.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:13 PM
the defense is still badass
I think if they werent out there so damn much some of that could be hidden. I feel if that offense was better teams would have to take a few more chances and that would play into the Lebeau’s hands too. Troy going into the Bad Bob Sanders phase of his career is a downer. That defense is having a down year and is still top 8. They have some concerns in the secondary but still overall top tier IMO.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Poor Browns fans.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Shavon, I think.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:14 PM
My main problem with NE is that Belichik has forgotten what made him such a success. He’s no longer the defensive mastermind who can scheme a high-scoring offense into making mistakes. Farrell and Spagnulo out-Belichicked him last year and in ’07.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:14 PM
kinda figured this…apologies for being a dumbass.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:14 PM
On the other hand, if the Pats win a 4th Superbowl, they’ll tie the Packers and Giants, and we can all hear how there were lots of championships before the Superbowl and that is the record that matters.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:14 PM
It’s irish: Shuh Vonn (“Vonn” like Lindsey Vonn).
December 12th, 2012 at 4:14 PM
Easiest way to beat anybody. Hence why when they wake up and get after it come playoff time they make these runs.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:14 PM
Fish
December 12th, 2012 at 4:15 PM
i feel like he learned that a great D with these rules aint gonna get you where it used to. id say he’s quite good at adapting to the current footballing climate.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:15 PM
If it the Howard Stern dude – Shi-vahn.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:15 PM
how do you pronounce the name “Siobhan?”
Like this.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:15 PM
You are discounting their downward trend. They started out hot, but have been mediocre of late
December 12th, 2012 at 4:16 PM
thanks yall…just randomly curious. think it’s a cool lookin’ name.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:16 PM
Disagree. I don’t always love his play-calling, but the weakness on defense has been more personnel-based than scheme-based, IMO. The Pats had a really lucky/easy run to the SB last year with a defense that was absolutely terrible, and still almost won because they played a perfect defensive scheme, and Eli finally hit his 3rd WR for the big pass.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:16 PM
I think his scheme for the SB last year was fucking brilliant. He had the Giants in check and if the Pats had finished off that second to last drive it would have been enough.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:16 PM
Only qb-centric teams. Pass rush is mitigated v Niners and Texans, for instance
December 12th, 2012 at 4:16 PM
Since that quagmire in Chicago the Texans defense has allowed an average of 30 points per game. Even Chad Henne torched them. It should be worrisome. I expect they’ll beat the Colts but will be surprised if it’s not high scoring.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:17 PM
It’s been a theme this year with the upper tier teams. Once people start crowning somebody, they’ll lay an egg the next week and will be declared as frauds. This isn’t college football. The better teams are going to lose a few times.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:17 PM
Anyone want to help me mail a package filled with syringes of HGH to Justin Tuck and just happen to invite Roger Gooddell to watch the delivery?
December 12th, 2012 at 4:18 PM
You are discounting their downward trend. They started out hot, but have been mediocre of late
What he said. They were picked apart by Jacksonville and Detroit for a few quarters. They were finally able to make some stops, aided and abetted by the fact that Jacksonville and Detroit really aren’t that good this year, and get the offense back on the field which got it’s shit together. Those games are all about capitalizing on breaks while it seems like nearly every break went against them this past Monday.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:18 PM
They’ve won 6 out of their 7 by an average of 12 points… Read the first sentence of the entire thought again.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:18 PM
See, Cleet… we can agree on things!
December 12th, 2012 at 4:18 PM
Definitely more personnel based. He’s done a bad job drafting db’s particularly
December 12th, 2012 at 4:18 PM
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That’s a man, baby.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:18 PM
That Tebow game in NE, Jesus. There wasn’t a rational fan in the mountain west who thought that was gonna turn out differently. Talk about bringing a lamb chop to a wolf party.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:19 PM
Good thing he’s got a dozen picks this year.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:21 PM
It hasn’t been two eggs though. Jags and Lions games were bad
December 12th, 2012 at 4:21 PM
It hasn’t been two eggs though. Jags and Lions games were bad
December 12th, 2012 at 4:21 PM
Read it now. Isn’t that what a good team does? And don’t good teams lose sometimes in this NFL? Especially when “luck” is a factor? I think the opponents, no matter who we’re talking about, dissuade people from giving a team credit when they win a game.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:22 PM
This and Lee Evans inability to hold on to the ball
December 12th, 2012 at 4:23 PM
Tis true.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:23 PM
That’s the beauty of the one seed. Probabilities are on your side
December 12th, 2012 at 4:24 PM
Dennard looks to be a steal right now as a 7th rounder. Jones and Hightower were two home runs though. Tavon Wilson…..jury is sequestered.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:24 PM
Read it now. Isn’t that what a good team does? And don’t good teams lose sometimes in this NFL? Especially when “luck” is a factor? I think the opponents, no matter who we’re talking about, dissuade people from giving a team credit when they win a game.
Why would I try to take credit away from the team I like? I’m not a masochistic Jets or Browns fan. Yes good teams win close games, but their defense has been hit with injuries and is not performing as well it as did earlier in the season. It is a worrying trend. I’m not saying they are now bad, I’m now saying that they might as well pack up their lockers and head home because they won’t do shit in the playoffs, I only said it’s a worrying trend.
And if Schwartz doesn’t absolutely bungle the review on that Forsett TD run we’d be talking about a team that lost to two good teams and the Lions.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:26 PM
Hopefully McCourty sticks at FS
December 12th, 2012 at 4:26 PM
SC, I know you’ve been a Texans backer most of the year, but you have to admit that the defense is not playing like it did with Cushing, a healthy Joseph, Reed, etc. There’s definitely evidence to suggest that the defense may be a big liability going forward.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:27 PM
/ Completely OT
I’d never seen this before. All sorts of awesome.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:27 PM
I think his scheme for the SB last year was fucking brilliant. He had the Giants in check and if the Pats had finished off that second to last drive it would have been enough.
Giants averaged a little over 24 ppg last year and they scored 21 in the SB. It’s not like they were a high-scoring team that got shut down.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:28 PM
But they won. That’s what good teams do. How many close games has Green Bay had to gut out this year against sub-par opponents? San Francisco? If they lose those games, there’s more reason for concern.
New England is a good team that had to pull out a win late against the Jets. They played close against Miami. They lost at home to Arizona. They’ve also beaten Denver and Houston.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:28 PM
He’s no longer the defensive mastermind who can scheme a high-scoring offense into making mistakes.
False. But it’s easier to win a game on offense in the NFL 2012 than with an excellent defense, hence his reliance on offensive quirks and focus on adaptions there. Bill’s defensive mantra remains the same as it was 30 years ago. Take away the opponent’s favorite thing and go from there. He doesn’t have L.T. running around murdering fools either. You can only scheme so much. The NYGiants have a pass rush that nobody else has, letting them sit more guys in coverage against his spread offense. It’s the worst possible match-up for them. And yeah, tell the WR to catch more balls and maybe that win that Super Bowl last year. If shithead Reche Caldwell doesn’t fuck up alarmingly in the 06 afc title game, NE wins that Super Bowl too.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:28 PM
The Pats personnel has been poor is everyone’s point
December 12th, 2012 at 4:29 PM
His issue wasn’t talent, I believe he got arrested the night before draft or something. He was thought to be a 1st round CB at 1 point in the pre draft process.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:29 PM
If fellow shithead Asante Samuel catches the ball in SB42
December 12th, 2012 at 4:31 PM
But they won. That’s what good teams do. How many close games has Green Bay had to gut out this year against sub-par opponents? San Francisco? If they lose those games, there’s more reason for concern.
New England is a good team that had to pull out a win late against the Jets. They played close against Miami. They lost at home to Arizona. They’ve also beaten Denver and Houston.
SC, would you rather have a team that has 11 wins, 2 by blowout and 9 by one score or less or would you rather have an 11 win team that has 9 blowouts and 2 wins by one score or less…I know which I’d prefer.
No one is saying that the Texans aren’t good. What we are saying is that they are getting thin and the margin of error is getting quite a bit smaller. That is worrisome.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:32 PM
It does look worse than it did at the beginning of the year. I still think they are the most dangerous team, as far as winning a Super Bowl, in the AFC. It’s close though, because Denver is right there. Then you have New England who, and I’m sure I’ll be accused of laying into a Boston sports franchise, just doesn’t have the defense to stop a team like Green Bay or New York on offense. San Francisco’s defense would present problems to New England rolling up 30 points.
The thing is, New England is probably best suited to win the AFC as of today. NFC contenders have to like that knowing their toughest games will likely happen in their own half of the bracket.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:33 PM
It does look worse than it did at the beginning of the year.
Thank you. This is all that we’re saying.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:33 PM
interesting last two comments on the Bynum post. someone want to find out that she’s a fake?
December 12th, 2012 at 4:34 PM
im not allowed to discuss this anymore
2010 and 2012 drafts are looking good. Bolden and Ebner are both really interesting players. Of those two and Wilson/Bequette, I bet at least one or two become fairly productive rotation players at least.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:34 PM
I’d rather have a 13 win team and a blow job from Kate Upton but, much like the NFL, no one gets everything they want.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:34 PM
The Pats personnel has been poor is everyone’s point
Defensive personnel and isn’t that Belichik’s specialty? What the fuck do I know…as long as the superbowls are competitive, I’m happy.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Guess we’ll find out soon.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
Dirty little non-secret…the Pats d has been way better than Houston’s for over a month
December 12th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
You are way, way too optimistic about people.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
2009 and 2011 were fairly weak, though they get their two starting tackles that way in Vollmer and Solder
December 12th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
You’re not welcome. It’s a discussion, I’m not trying to win anything here.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:36 PM
Belichick does draft, but you won’t hear any Pats fans extolling his personnel virtues. He’s had some great picks, but overall he’s been pedestrian
December 12th, 2012 at 4:37 PM
If you’re from Ohio, “SIGH-oh-bahn.”
December 12th, 2012 at 4:37 PM
You’re not welcome. It’s a discussion, I’m not trying to win anything here.
You took up a point as if trying to show that we were somehow wrong for saying that we, Htown and myself, were worried about the Texans defense. Then you ended up saying exactly the same thing we were saying all along….so you didn’t win anything which is good I guess considering your stated goal, but if you were never disagreeing with us then I’m not sure what the point of the discussion was in the first place.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:38 PM
Where’s the ND fans with the pronunciation? Nowhere? Weird
December 12th, 2012 at 4:39 PM
moleman shamed you into giving up your detective’s badge?
/don’t ban me
December 12th, 2012 at 4:39 PM
Dunno if she’s fake but I’ve seen that account interacting with Philly-based sports media in the past.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:40 PM
They’re the Bizarro Giants.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:41 PM
They’re the Bizarro Giants.
Yep.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Email her
December 12th, 2012 at 4:42 PM
That’s just mamalickaboobooday, on vacation in the City of Brotherly Love.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:42 PM
Is it holding if the pass rusher is trying to jump and you are tugging his jersey to keep him down? I say Solder do that Monday night.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:43 PM
Something I heard about Belichick’s drafting – The further away from the ball, the worse he gets. He’s done pretty well drafting on the lines, but brutal at the skill positions.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:44 PM
not overly impressed by the pics… it all hingest on what her face looks like.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:44 PM
Seems legit based on some history of a google search to that login on a few platforms. We have all sorts of people I’d hate to think a dancer couldnt post here. I for one welcome our new exotic dancer overlords.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:45 PM
Secondary picks have been beyond brutal.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:46 PM
Yes and no. In his defense, the Patriots don’t have time to sit and wait for skill guys (WR) to develop. He did have quite a few misses at TE before Gronk and Hernandez, but he evaluated Welker pretty well before trading for him. They have also been picking half a round later than every other team on average.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:47 PM
Dunno how McCourty went from All-pro corner to nothing. The other guys just all get injured or suck. Butler and Wheatley both were brutal, but Butler was very highly regarded as a great pick, at the time.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:49 PM
WWoS don’t forget Meriweather too, good lord awful. Also Rai-I will be gone soon too.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:51 PM
For instance…
December 12th, 2012 at 4:52 PM
IRas-i Dowling, you mean?
December 12th, 2012 at 4:53 PM
Understood, but look at the WRs they’ve drafted and let go. Literally none of them have done anything elsewhere in the league. That’s not a matter of development, that’s just poor drafting.
They’ve been better with the FA signings (Welker definitely, Moss and Lloyd to a point), but still have room to improve.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:54 PM
Wow, that’s scary how bad that looks in retrospect.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:54 PM
Pats have done a good job with OL, especially at the top of the draft. Tough to say how much credit goes to Belichick vs. Scarnecchia for recognizing vs. developing talent
December 12th, 2012 at 4:55 PM
Alfonso Dennard looks to be a good pick.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:56 PM
She’s practically begging for a cold call.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:59 PM
too bad they don’t have this in men’s … i’d totally buy a smedium
http://www.etsy.com/listing/114704681/dont-stop-believin-santa-christmas?ref=sr_gallery_4&sref=sr_91adbb889548a242d9a5acaa3ae6caf0cedd31e2f244292aaa56b1bd70683299_1355349510_14498545_shirt&ga_search_query=t+shirt&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_ship_to=US&ga_page=2&ga_search_type=all
December 12th, 2012 at 5:00 PM
As a seventh rounder yes, but all the first, second, and third round busts are just too much
December 12th, 2012 at 5:04 PM
There’s always this one Jason: http://3.media.bustedtees.cvcdn.com/f/-/bustedtees.801605ff-6fd3-4eaf-86de-eb551186.gif
I’m pretty sure it comes in a men’s smedium.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:13 PM
And there goes the water, all over my desk. That is great.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:18 PM
lmao
December 12th, 2012 at 5:20 PM
nice find, MS621. only issues – i have a lot of green shirts. most of my best t-shirts (yes, i have best t-shirts) are green.
also, the msg on the girl t-shirt was better
December 12th, 2012 at 5:24 PM
Get one for the FSU Intern for Christmas.
FOr Ronny, get a T-shirt that says “I toiled at TBL all fall and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.”
/ Turns to run away
// Steps on rake
/// Sideshow Bob’d
December 12th, 2012 at 5:26 PM
also, the msg on the girl t-shirt was better
Yes it’s definitely a little more family friendly. But I had to share nonetheless.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:26 PM
Is it that diff vs. league-wide? And by that logic, their QB drafting sucks.
Since the flukey Brady pick at 199, they have drafted 6 QBs. Two in the 3rd round (kevin oconnell, ryan mallett), one in the 4th (the immortal rohan davey) one in the 6th (kliff kingsbury) and two in the 7th (cassel, zack robinson).
You hit some, you miss some. BB just has such a rep/expectation that he gets more scrutiny. His drafting, especially since 2008, has been fine.