Cincinnati Wanted Urban Meyer to Help Lobby Them Into ACC
Not surprisingly, Cincinnati is desperate to join the ACC or the Big 12. Emails obtained by the Enquirer reveal Cincinnati’s AD and president made personal appeals to every ACC school after the conference lost Maryland. They even tried to enlist Urban Meyer, a Cincinnati alum and former Notre Dame assistant, to lobby for them.
“While he is comfortable telling folks he cares deeply for UC and that he knows we are a great school, with great people and great leadership, he thinks his calls would feel contrived and that they would not have an impact,” wrote Gigi Escoe, a vice provost at UC and Meyer’s sister, to Babcock Nov. 27.
Cincinnati is begging to be another conference’s resigned choice at last call. Put a fork in the Big East. [Cincinnati.com]
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December 11th, 2012 at 10:44 AM
Great caption Duffy
December 11th, 2012 at 10:50 AM
Big East basketball non FBS schools are looking to dissolve the Big East according to the Hartford Courant and Andy Katz Also, the same schools are not happy with UConn and Cinci’s reaction to not getting into the ACC. Not sure why they thought both schools would put on a happy face when they understand that this conference is dead.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
Cant blame them, they left Conference USA only to end up in….Conference USA.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:58 AM
I can understand the schools being a little pissed at the addition of Tulane. Why is UConn and Cinci happy with with the addition of Tulane and E. Carolina? They shouldn’t be and now the non FBS schools have majority vote and the 2/3 rule to try and take the name and money and run.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
Cincy can join the Mountain West.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
So who gets wasted and ends up with a fat, pimply Cincinnati in bed the next morning? Big 12 is my bet.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:02 AM
Patience. When the Big 12, Big 10, and SEC all poach a few more ACC schools, Cincy and UConn will get added to the ACC.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:03 AM
Just read the Big East basketball schools are going to lose money on the next Big East media deal, down to 1.3 or 1.4 million from 1.5. Jackasses.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:03 AM
Patience. Essentially they will be added to what was the Big East in football and Big East might be a college basketball only conference with A10.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:05 AM
That’s gonna suck for a lot of the smaller schools since the media rights are big part of their athletic budget.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:06 AM
The A-10 / BEast basketball only schools need to form the Atlantic East ASAP. That might be a top 3 conference.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:07 AM
My favorite part of that Big East non-FBS schools story is that the schools are pissed about Tulane being invited in as it will wreck the conference’s baqsketball RPI.
But they’re getting a new on-campus stadium!
December 11th, 2012 at 11:08 AM
I’d actually like to see it split in two with a Midwestern Conference of the following:
Xavier
Butler
Creighton
Dayton
Memphis
St Louis
Wichita St
Marquette
Depaul
Cincinnati
That would be a helluva conference.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:09 AM
It’ll take time. Cincinnati isn’t a school that moves any need. Their media market is split 3 way with Cincy being the 2nd or 3rd option. Assuming no more conferences fold (after the Big East), I’d put Cincy in the Big 12. They provide an eastern partner for WVU. i also wouldn’t be suprised to see Memphis (shout out to SROD!) join the Big 12 as well.
But, in reality, either the Big 12 or ACC is going to fold, and Cincy isn’t attractive enough to go to the SEC or Big 10 and whatever remains of the ACC/Big 12, so Cincy’s on the outside looking in.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:12 AM
Xavier
Butler
Creighton
Dayton
Memphis
St Louis
Wichita St
Marquette
Depaul
Cincinnati
Who is Memphis and Cincy going to play in football?
And WSU and Creighton aren’t leaving the MVC. Football matters none to them.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:13 AM
I think the real question is what happens to UConn?
December 11th, 2012 at 11:14 AM
It would be nice, but not as good w/o Georgetown, St Johns, Villanova St. Joes, etc. I really want to see a midwestern/east coast bball superconference, though I know it’s not as feasible economically.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:14 AM
But, in reality, either the Big 12 or ACC is going to fold,
No. Each Big 12 school is getting $20 million a year for the next decade in addition to the grant of rites. There will be no folding byt he Big 12. They don’t even want to add schools.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:15 AM
Xavier
Butler
Creighton
Dayton
Memphis
St Louis
Wichita St
Marquette
Depaul
Cincinnati
That is a heck of a conference. Not sure how much money a network would throw toward them though as football is pretty much running the networks. It may be a good idea for someone like NBC Sports Network to jump on something like this and try to build off this in their battle with ESPN, CBS, and Fox for sports television supremacy.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:15 AM
grant of rites.
Jebus. Rights.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:15 AM
It’s very possible that UConn, Duke, Cincy and other basketball first schools that share a media market will be left out when conference realignment is done.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:16 AM
But eventually they’ll need to expand as well. You think the B1G wants the football powerhouse Rutgers? And Maryland isn’t much better. I think the Big XII comes calling at some point.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:18 AM
This is only problematic if there’s a conference. Conference goes away, so does the grant. Not saying their won’t be lawsuits and all sorts of recrimination, but brace for the possibilty that KU will be choosing between the Pac 12 and Big 10.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:19 AM
John Gruden’s Dayton Flyers are afraid of no one.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:19 AM
I think competitive games drives ratings far more than teams/markets.
You know what was one of the highest-rated regular season college basketball games in recent years? Memphis vs. Tennessee when they were rated #1 and #2.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:19 AM
I think the real question is what happens to UConn?
That is what a lot of people in CT, including me, want to know. The sports talk was all about the passing of CT legend Arnold Dean yesterday but will quickly turn to what happens to UConn.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:19 AM
That was my thinking as soon as I read that. Plus WSU and Creighton wouldn’t go for it for baseball reasons as well.
On paper, though, a very good basketball conference.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:22 AM
I wish I could back in time to be in attendance at the 1951 Salad Bowl featuring Dayton vs. Houston.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:23 AM
This is only problematic if there’s a conference. Conference goes away, so does the grant. Not saying their won’t be lawsuits and all sorts of recrimination, but brace for the possibilty that KU will be choosing between the Pac 12 and Big 10.
And lose all the money for 10 years? That is suicide. The Big 12 is stronger than it has been since this all started.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:23 AM
End game seems to be four 16 (football) team super conferences. Cincy doesn’t make that cut. ACC gets split between the B1G (U Va, UNC, GT) and the SEC (FSU, Clemson, NC State) and the Big 12 getting any stragglers (Pitt, ‘Cuse, ‘ville?).
December 11th, 2012 at 11:24 AM
You won’t lose the money because of the conference goes away, the rights revert to the schools.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:24 AM
Plus WSU and Creighton wouldn’t go for it for baseball reasons as well.
Oh, good call. Baseball is very important to those schools. Since football isn’t in the mix, these schools don’t have delusions of grandeur.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:25 AM
You won’t lose the money because of the conference goes away, the rights revert to the schools.
KU leaving the Big 12 would not make the Big 12 go away. For football purposes, KU matters the least to the Big 12 of all the schools.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:28 AM
Twas a real humdinger, I hear. I went to the Stagg Bowl to watch Dayton crush Ithaca for the DIII National Championship back in…never you mind what the fuck year that was!
December 11th, 2012 at 11:28 AM
I guess I am the only one who thinks the ACC is not losing any further teams. If anything, they will do the gobbling, and not be the gobbled.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:29 AM
Shes going to have to be willing to do a threesome with a more attractive friend, no one is taking her home alone.
They are beyond bad at football, and with Calhoun gone even their basketball interest is questionable moving forward.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:29 AM
Your misunderstanding the hypothetical, which is understandable. Nobody would leave the Big 12 solo (because of the grant of rights), but say the Pac 12 agrees to take UT, TT, OU, OSU? At that point, the remainder of the Big 12 can continue, or look to better their own circumstances. The 20 million won’t continue, and at that point, are the third tier rights to those schools worth it? End of the day (in this hypothetical) the Big 12 is no longer a conference and the Pac-12, Big 10, or SEC are helping schools pay whatever is negotiated to schools left behind.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:34 AM
but say the Pac 12 agrees to take UT, TT, OU, OSU? At that point, the remainder of the Big 12 can continue, or look to better their own circumstances
Aha. I see what you are doing. Ok. We are the same page now. Now, this sort of came up a couple years ago when OU and UT were going to bolt. The Big 12 was probably just going to add some combination of BYU/Boise/Air Force/whatever it took to have a minimum of 10 teams to satisfy the tv deal. Now with the grant of rights, they would most certainly grab other schools and other schools would jump at the chance at $20 million a year. Granted, the conference would fall apart within a matter of years, but nobody is leaving money on the table in the short term.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:34 AM
Or just Texas and Oklahoma for that matter.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:36 AM
The Big East bball schools are finally realizing that the Big East is dead. How much more money will they get from being in a conference with Tulane, SMU, E. Carolina, Cincy and UConn football? Take the 7 schools, add a couple more mid-size TV markets (Xavier, Butler, St. Louis) and see what you can get.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:37 AM
In reference to the Big East, “rites” might indeed be a better choice.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:38 AM
It’s a bit ironic since they’re the ones that killed it.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:40 AM
add a couple more mid-size TV markets (Xavier, Butler, St. Louis) a
Maybe I’m underestimating this, but I think some of you are overestimating the non-football schools’ desires to jump into the unknown. Xavier, Butler, WSU, Creighton, they are happy where they are at. Why would they jump to a dead conference like the Big East when they are having tremendous success where they are at currently?
December 11th, 2012 at 11:45 AM
Well it wouldnt be the Big East anymore. And i would put WSU and Creighton separate, those two schools have history in their conferences. Xavier, Butler, and SLU have no long-standing ties to the A-10, which just lost their “flagship” Temple and keeps reshuffling every year. You dont think a basketball only conf. with bigger names and the possibility of playing in MSG every year would appeal to these schools? Hell Butler just jumped for a better opportunity.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:45 AM
I don’t think Creighton is seeing a windfall of cash from playing on ESPNU once a month.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:49 AM
Well here’s the thing – for the bball only schools the money will never be great. The perks would be – a possible slot on ESPN’s Big Monday (and more ESPN/CBS/ABC games in general) and easier access to the tournament, where strength of schedule matters a lot more than it does in CFB.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:52 AM
There’s very, very little money in college basketball until tourney time (even then most of the money goes to the NCAA, with teams/conference getting a share).
The conference jumps in baketball have to do with making the tourney, where you then get a share of the money. For example, Butler made the move to the A-10 with the thought being they can finish in the Top 5 there and make the tourney, rather than having to win the Horizon League.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:56 AM
For example, Butler made the move to the A-10 with the thought being they can finish in the Top 5 there and make the tourney, rather than having to win the Horizon League.
I’ll give you Butler. They earned the right not to be in the Horizon league.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:58 AM
I don’t know what the A-10 TV contract is like, but Xavier and Dayton both brought in roughly $10MM in basketball revenue which is more than a lot of top programs from top conferences. Creighton, which usually ranks in the top 20 in home attendance, brought in $5MM.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:58 AM
of playing in MSG every year
Is playing at MSG still a thing on the East coast? Because nobody in the midwest cares.
I don’t think Creighton is seeing a windfall of cash from playing on ESPNU once a month.
The cash wouldn’t be any different playing in some bastardized hybrid football/basketball half conference (or whatever the Big East ends up being.)
December 11th, 2012 at 11:59 AM
Creighton, which usually ranks in the top 20 in home attendance, brought in $5MM.
They sell out every game, don’t they? Changing conferences isn’t going to change that. Great fans up there.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:00 PM
OK, so the A-10 splits $5MM a year between it’s 14 members. Ugh.
http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2012/10/3/3448664/new-atlantic-10-television-contract-shows-big-east-basketball-schools
December 11th, 2012 at 12:06 PM
OK, so the A-10 splits $5MM a year between it’s 14 members. Ugh.
That’s why I’m saying the hoops only schools don’t need to be in some cash grab (because there is not much cash.) Butler did it, but the Horizon is a bottom tier conference. Hell, the MVC is probably on par with the A-10 now.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:07 PM
I thik the NCAA tourney gives conferences like $150k for each team placed in the tourney and I think schools get 50% of that (depending on the conference), so a school in a successful conference can nearly double their rights deal.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:09 PM
Whats up with that photographer behind Meyer?
Ive always heard that the SEC doesnt want FSU or Clemson because they already have teams in those markets and VaTech would be a better option.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:09 PM
Or, a school in a good conference can nearly equal their rights deal.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:11 PM
I’m workign so many realignment hypotheicals that I confused myself. Yes, Va Tech and NC State to SEC, Clemson and FSU to the Big 12.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:14 PM
I always thought it was Florida putting the kibosh on FSU membership.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:50 PM
That’s part of it. SEC membership is an advantage Fla has over FSU that they won’t give up easily. But the SEC kinda wants to have their cake and eat it too – they want to go into new states/markets while maintaining their southern-ness. That’s why VT and NC/NC State have been mentioned.
It’s funny b/c if we were starting from scratch, there’s no way the Mississippi schools would end up in a power conference.