Struggling Quarterbacks: Historical Comps for This Year’s Seasons By Mark Sanchez, Christian Ponder, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer
I often like to look back at comparable seasons for a number of reasons. They are certainly not determinative. When plenty of good players had similar seasons, though, it might be a sign that it is too early to make judgments, and when none did, well, it makes it less likely the player will find future success. Teammates, injuries, all of that stuff comes into play as well.
Today, I’m just looking at one year comps for four different quarterbacks who have started every game this year: Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, Christian Ponder, and Philip Rivers. All have struggled for different reasons, and are different ages. Using league-environment adjusted numbers at pro-football-reference, I found similar seasons among all quarterbacks within one year of age, who threw at least 300 passes and started at least 10 games.
To come up with the similarities, I took the league adjusted score in the following categories: completion percentage, touchdown percentage, interception percentage, sack rate, and adjusted net yards per attempt. I found the absolute difference between our QB in question and each other season, then squared those differences. I subtracted those totals from 2000 points , so that the closer to 2000, the more similar the player.
MARK SANCHEZ
The Jets have a problem–they have too many good quarterbacks. Just kidding. The contract is unwieldy, and the excuses are plentiful. When I originally tried to come up with this, I had an error in one of the fields, and Rich Gannon (1990) showed up as the number one comp. With it corrected, he dropped to #14, and the list turned a little uglier. Looking beyond one year of comps, though, is the fact that Sanchez has not progressed and we are in year four. Yes, the personnel has declined. He is not a difference maker at all. They will probably bring him back because of the contract, but before they just hand him the job, they should probably read up on the concept of sunk costs.
Last year, Jeff Pearlman said that Mark Sanchez would be compared to Eric Hipple in ten years. It took until 2012, as Hipple shows up #2 on this list. The good news is this: one of these guys went on to become an all-pro. The bad news? He did it as a punter (Tom Tupa, 1999, with the Jets). Can Sanchez kick? Early returns say he has promise.
CARSON PALMER
The thing about Carson Palmer is that he is 33 years old, and the Raiders have been at times dreadful in the first half of games offensively, then fall behind because of a porous defense. By the numbers, he is putting up near league average results.
His top comp is fittingly a former Bengals quarterback who changed teams and was part of a losing team elsewhere. Esiason would be worse at age 34 and then bounce around the league. #2 on the list, Testaverde, changed teams and was a pro bowler with the Jets the following season. The list is a hit or miss of veterans that never did much again, and some that went on to plenty of good seasons.
CHRISTIAN PONDER
Ponder is only 24, and is coming off another dreadful performance when he squandered a huge game from Adrian Peterson with poor decisions. His yards per attempt is down to 6.0 without Percy Harvin on the field. His list of comps, though, is enough to say that some patience, at least into next year, is called for here. I’m not sure you can wait as long as the Jets are going to apparently give Sanchez, but you also need to allow for more than one non-rookie year.
By the way, two Drew Brees’ seasons, at age 23 and 24, also just miss this list.
PHILIP RIVERS
Philip Rivers is struggling this year. Before the season, I had him as an “avoid”, suggesting people take Matt Ryan, who was going in a similar range in drafts.
He has struggled even more than I thought, though. To put it in perspective, look at that list of comps. Now, Rivers was better than most of those players before age 31, so we should expect some bounce back. That list, though shows a mixed bag of players who bounced back and some that did not.
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December 5th, 2012 at 3:44 PM
I don’t understand anything you wrote here, but thank you for Eric Hipple and Gary HogeBOOM! You even threw in Tom Tupa and Richard Todd. Awesome.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:46 PM
Ouch.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:47 PM
If you didn’t laugh out loud about Tom Tupa, I don’t know what to tell you. I can’t believe he ever once started 10 games in a year, though.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:48 PM
No Stafford?
December 5th, 2012 at 3:48 PM
he’s a nice guy and wasn’t a bad punter. lay off tom.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:49 PM
So in 12 years Mark Sanchez will win a crucial game against his team’s biggest rival?
/trick question, he’ll be out of the league 10 years by that point
December 5th, 2012 at 3:50 PM
I thought Tom Tupa was a punter.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:50 PM
This is what keeps going through my head whenever his contract is mentioned…just throw him a clipboard and have him be the Ryan’s personal at-home videographer. Someone else needs to start at QB.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:50 PM
Sanchez’s top comp is Batch? Good thing the Ravens don’t play the Jets this year!
/fucking Ravens
December 5th, 2012 at 3:50 PM
Nice touch with the team colors.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:51 PM
And this is way Irish women are hugely underrated.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:51 PM
I definitely never saw 3 of those guys play, and one more I have zero recollection of.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:51 PM
I support the “Nobody reads the posts” line…but you should read Lisk’s.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:51 PM
I was just perusing Tupa’s Wiki page (It is much longer than it needs to be.) Tupa fun facts…
He scored the first 2 point conversion ever.
Went to OSU
Played until 2002 (wtf?!?!?!)
And this just made me laugh, “He then joined the Indianapolis Colts in 1992, playing as a backup quarterback to Jack Trudeau and Jeff George.”
December 5th, 2012 at 3:52 PM
yall are making fun of tupa and i dont know why…he was an emergency QB and a punter. opened up an extra roster spot. im surprised there arent more mobile QB’s from spread schemes learning to punt to make themselves more valuable to NFL teams.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:53 PM
Nice touch with the team cum.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:53 PM
That’s a dude, pal.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:53 PM
he’s a nice guy and wasn’t a bad punter. lay off tom.
No, no. He was a real good punter. I always wanted him to be my team’s punter, because he could throw it.
When he was the punter on the Jets, he was the QB of the aRaPaHO team, that is actually a pre-cursor of the Wildcat. Arapaho stood for a run, a pass or a handoff, which is realize is a little redundant. But they ran a lot of fake punts.
I was a fan of the Parcells Jets teams. They were my opposite conference team for a while in the late 90s.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:54 PM
Bravo
December 5th, 2012 at 3:54 PM
Played until 2002 (wtf?!?!?!)
I think Wikipedia is having some fun with us because there’s no way that’s true.
Well fuck me standing, Pro Football Reference shows up on a roster until 2004.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:54 PM
I glanced at your first chart without reading all the way through, saw “Charlie Batch” and “1920″ and was not surprised that his stats would date that far back.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:55 PM
I’ve always felt the same way about kickers/punters…they are not the same, but you could save a roster spot with some diversification.
/also most top high school and college pitchers can rake…not sure why they just give up once they turn pro. They should continue honing that skill and become more valuable.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:55 PM
yet another reason. glad we’re on the same page re: tupa.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
You got it backwards, he was an emergency punter first. He was a backup QB in Arizona (Phoenix) and Indy before being a full time punter.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
speaking of punters…mea culpa. i thought daniel sepulveda was going to revolutionize the position.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
Saw Sunday or Monday night the clip of Cunningham’s 91 yard punt from back of his own endzone. Incredible
December 5th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
Played until 2002 (wtf?!?!?!)
that’s 11 years ago. You’d probably be amazed at who was still around 11 years ago.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
Played until 2002 (wtf?!?!?!)
I think Wikipedia is having some fun with us because there’s no way that’s true.
Well fuck me standing, Pro Football Reference shows up on a roster until 2004.
I lied. He threw his final pass in 2002. What an odd thing to reference. Anyhow, he also made the Patriots All 1990s team.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:57 PM
Didn’t Randall Cunningham get pressed into service as the Eagles’ emergency punter one game?
Also remember Wes Chandler trying to placekick for the Saints once in an emergency. I think his attempt went 90 degrees to the left.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:57 PM
Ponder’s list isn’t as horrific as I was expecting. But Bradshaw was total garbage in 71. I remember Chris Miller’s Topps rookie card was worth $1.50 once.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:57 PM
that’s 11 years ago. You’d probably be amazed at who was still around 11 years ago.
I was just thinking that about 2004 after MS corrected me. I’m not sure if that makes me feel younger or older. I mean, I probably watch less NFL football now than I have since I was in high school and that still shocked me.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:58 PM
It’s my understanding that pitchers in the minors do not hit. No matter how much BP you take, it’s near impossible to progress if you’re not facing live competition.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:58 PM
George Blanda?
Enough talk about multipurpose Ps/Ks. Someone brought up Erxleben in another post, and that was depressing enough.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:58 PM
Didn’t Randall Cunningham get pressed into service as the Eagles’ emergency punter one game?
oftener than that. He was a quick kicker a lot, too. But he was a college punter.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:59 PM
99 year old Rich Gannon was MVP that year for chrissakes.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:59 PM
I know…I just mean it would be in the organization’s best interest too. They should be the one’s developing it.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:59 PM
Didn’t Randall Cunningham get pressed into service as the Eagles’ emergency punter one game?
And then I’m almost certain he boomed an 80 yard punt.
/off to Google.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:59 PM
i loved gannon and gruden and the two 40 year old WR’s. that was a fun WCO.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:00 PM
Didn’t Randall Cunningham get pressed into service as the Eagles’ emergency punter one game?
He of the 96 yard punt.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:00 PM
When he was the punter on the Jets, he was the QB of the aRaPaHO team, that is actually a pre-cursor of the Wildcat. Arapaho stood for a run, a pass or a handoff, which is realize is a little redundant. But they ran a lot of fake punts.
I was a fan of the Parcells Jets teams. They were my opposite conference team for a while in the late 90s.
when Kordell Stewart was Slash for the Steelers, I wanted them to make him the holder on FGs, just so teams would worry about fakes.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:00 PM
Me too, unfortunately his ACLs weren’t on board with this plan.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
joe thomas ripped into peyton hillis.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
Pretty impressive considering the Pats didn’t exist before 2001.
/beat you to it, fuckers
December 5th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
RGIII was practicing dropkicks during warmups on MNF. I wanna see him do it in a game now.
/ Last player to do it was Flutie, I think
December 5th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
Sanchez is similar to a lot of former Lions QBs. that is never a good sign.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
91 yard punt. Sorry
December 5th, 2012 at 4:02 PM
He is Dionysus incarnate and I’m not your pal mo chara.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:02 PM
Boom.
There is shitty video of it going at least 80. Looks like 55 – 60 in the air.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:03 PM
91 yard punt. Sorry Scouser
Thanks. Dayem.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:03 PM
sucks to say but you gotta figure roids were part of the equation. that dude was enormous.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:04 PM
Thank you for not saying “unloaded on.” That would have required hot pokers to the eyes, mentally speaking.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:04 PM
sucks to say but you gotta figure roids were part of the equation. that dude was enormous.
I think he was recruited as a linebacker
December 5th, 2012 at 4:04 PM
Rivers is starting to enter the Chad Pennington noodle arm zone.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:05 PM
RGIII was practicing dropkicks during warmups on MNF. I wanna see him do it in a game now.
/ Last player to do it was Flutie, I think
the skill has no value. It’s like a midget in a sideshow. Who hasn’t seen a midget before? Ooh, your sideshow midget has a tattoo on his face? Well, bully for you. Give me back my 4 dollars.
That is not the world’s smallest horse, either. You just made me look down at it from very high.
Stupid sideshow.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:05 PM
Just found out I’m going to the City Game tonight, shit yeah.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:06 PM
This is not the post i suggested lisk
Also…Chicago state to the WAC
December 5th, 2012 at 4:06 PM
Or they should be developing them into becoming better pitchers, because pitchers shouldn’t be hitting no matter what. DH in both leagues now.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:06 PM
Also, that Cunningham kick puts me in mind of Todd Sauerbrun’s 90-yarder against Nebraska.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:07 PM
They should make it worth 5 points.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:07 PM
Strong to UT?
@ClayTravisBGID: Twitter rumors! RT @jamesprice88: Best friend who is air traffic controller in Knox just texted that UT plane departed for Louisville.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:07 PM
/Pat Summerall
December 5th, 2012 at 4:07 PM
What’s that?
December 5th, 2012 at 4:07 PM
SAURBRUN SMASH.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:08 PM
That entire rant is denigrating to the long and rich career of Sideshow Bob. You shall pay dearly.
/ Turns to stalk away
// Steps on rake
/// Rake hits face
December 5th, 2012 at 4:08 PM
True.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:09 PM
i gotta say, there have been a lot of assholes in the NFL, but todd sauerbrun’s gotta be right there with the best of em.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:09 PM
Most fun names to hear Pat Summerall call: Chris Boniol, Charles Evans, anyone with the last name Howard, and Todd Sauerbrun.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:09 PM
I’m sure Mack Brown will coach the bowl game…maybe they’ll make the change after he inevitably loses.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Imagine if your team had Sauerbrun as the punter and Vanderjagt as the kicker. It would be like having two Janikowskis on the roster.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Clay Travis is a horrible human being. just another example of a two first names guy being a dickface.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:12 PM
That McNabb 2000 season his top receivers were Chad Lewis, Charles Johnson and Torrance Small. It was also the year they draft Todd Stinkston. Oh glory days.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:12 PM
I always thought roids led to muscle injuries, like torn biceps and triceps.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Not a bad all-asshole kicking game. The team would be particularly strong at DT too, with Haynesworth and Suh. Tons of depth at corner and wr as well
December 5th, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Can’t believe I drank the Kool Aid of Rivers having a huge bounce back year.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:14 PM
That is not the world’s smallest horse, either. You just made me look down at it from very high.
Sounds like you’ve been to the State Fair of Texas before.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:14 PM
Pitt/Duquesne, they play it at CONSOL.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:14 PM
Strong to UT?
@ClayTravisBGID: Twitter rumors! RT @jamesprice88: Best friend who is air traffic controller in Knox just texted that UT plane departed for Louisville.
Get the plane’s registration number and check it in Flight Aware. Otherwise that’s just third hand bullshit.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:15 PM
The team would be particularly strong at DT too, with Haynesworth and Suh.
Did someone say Haynesworth?
/obligatory
December 5th, 2012 at 4:17 PM
“Otherwise that’s just third hand bullshit.”
Wait, isn’t that what this site is built on?
December 5th, 2012 at 4:18 PM
Wait, isn’t that what this site is built on?
Nah dude. Jets posts.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:19 PM
One of my favorite memories of the ’89 Eagles was the Eagles defense terrorizing Tom Tupa into a 6 interception, 6 sack game.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:21 PM
His declining skills, matched with a systematic stripping of their offensive personnel has been a potent mix. Similar to what’s happened with Sanchez, though his issues are mental and fundamental, rather than a decline in physical ability
December 5th, 2012 at 4:21 PM
Wow, great box score. So many great names there, JT Smith, Vai Sikahema, Luis Zendejas, professional asshole Andre Waters, the immortal Phil McConkey…
December 5th, 2012 at 4:21 PM
So Sanchez is a white Charlie Batch from the year 2000?
I agree.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:22 PM
Except for Chad Lewis, who wasn’t bad, those receivers were fucking awful.
That was also a point in McNabb’s career where he could still make plays with his legs.
/fuck you, Eagles front office, for not getting McNabb better receivers
December 5th, 2012 at 4:22 PM
No, its built on thin skin and Jets blogs.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:23 PM
Haha the thoughts that ran through my head when I saw there was a link. Gurode incident? Conditioning test article? Terms of Redskins contract?
December 5th, 2012 at 4:23 PM
Speaking of names from that box score: Al Del Greco. Another name that Summerall used to have fun saying.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:25 PM
Except for the in his prime TO in 2004.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:25 PM
I’ll always remember McNabb with McNair. Great physical talents whose careers petered out prematurely due to sub-par decision making, fundamentals, and conditioning
December 5th, 2012 at 4:25 PM
Pitts favored by 17
I dont want my air traffic guys tweeting
December 5th, 2012 at 4:26 PM
/Breaking Bad
December 5th, 2012 at 4:28 PM
I don’t want my air traffic guys having meth head daughters either.
/Breaking Bad’d
December 5th, 2012 at 4:30 PM
Wait, isn’t that what this site is built on?
Dong pics
December 5th, 2012 at 4:36 PM
I guarantee I’m all alone in this but I’ll take McNair over McNabb any day. McNair in his prime, 99-03, took an absolute ass kicking every week and only seemed to play better the more he got hurt. I’m a total sucker for McNair types
December 5th, 2012 at 4:37 PM
I glanced at your first chart without reading all the way through, saw “Charlie Batch” and “1920″ and was not surprised that his stats would date that far back.
He threw the first forward pass for the Decatur Staleys.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:43 PM
I was just going to show mock outrage over Lynn Dickey not being mentioned anywhere here but there he is as one of Rivers’ comps…that man is the Forrest Gump of PFR stat searches
December 5th, 2012 at 4:45 PM
Perhaps Lt. McIntyre will let you take over his investigation into the real killer, then.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:48 PM
We built this website
We built this website on dong pix, y’all
/ Starship’d
December 5th, 2012 at 4:59 PM
I guarantee I’m all alone in this but I’ll take McNair over McNabb any day. McNair in his prime, 99-03, took an absolute ass kicking every week and only seemed to play better the more he got hurt. I’m a total sucker for McNair types
all day every day. McNair was so great. And I liked McNabb for a while there.
December 5th, 2012 at 5:33 PM
This is exactly why it’s so funny.