James Franklin Ranked Notre Dame Fourth Behind Three SEC Teams in the Final Coaches Poll
The final Coaches’ Poll was released in its entirety. Even when it is transparent, it remains wantonly biased. We’re not here to chastise coaches for acting in their own self-interest when afforded the opportunity. We just found a few things interesting.
SEC, SEC. James Franklin is staying in the SEC long term. He voted like it. The Vanderbilt coach ranked Notre Dame fourth, behind Alabama, Georgia and Florida. He placed SEC teams in six of his top eight places. He also included his own Commodores team at No. 16 and Mississippi State at No. 21. Clay Travis doesn’t think he went far enough.
Self-Interest: Bob Stoops needed Northern Illinois to finish outside the Top 16, to ensure his Oklahoma team could get rewarded for being Oklahoma. He voted them 24th. He also voted his own team 6th.
Brady Hoke: Hoke ranked Michigan at No. 15 with two other coaches, Brian Kelly and Rich Rodriguez. After moving on up, he has apparently forgotten his lower conference roots. He left Utah State, San Jose State and his former employer San Diego State off his poll. He was the only voter who included USC at No. 24.
Everyone loves Bill Snyder, except Joker Phillips. Phillips voted Kansas State 11th, behind two-loss Florida State and Clemson teams.
Bias: We would have loved to single out Todd Graham for voting Arizona State No. 20, but Gus Malzahn voted Arkansas State No. 17, Tim DeRuyter voted Fresno State No. 19, Jimbo Fisher voted Florida State No. 7, and Rocky Long voted San Diego State No. 20.
Gracious in Defeat, Sort of… Two voters ranked Wisconsin No. 16. One was Bo Pelini. That said, he had Nebraska just behind at No. 17.
Picking Up The Baton: Craig James did not vote this year, but Mark Richt reflected his sentiments. Richt left Boise State out of his Top 25. No other coach had them lower than No. 22. Getting beat by two touchdowns in his home state last season did not convince him.
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December 3rd, 2012 at 12:09 PM
anyone going to a bowl game?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:11 PM
The internet would literally plotz if Saban pulled this nonsense.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:12 PM
So get rid of the coaches poll?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:12 PM
in James Franklin’s world, a win over Tennessee merits teams’ higher-than-expected rankings.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:13 PM
Duffy how far do the rankings go? Is there any way to see if a smartass coach voted Vanderbilt 64th?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:13 PM
Anyone setting up an official TBL Bowl Pick ‘Em thing?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:14 PM
ms, i’m giving blind man’s bluff a go. so far so good. worried about getting overwhelmed by technical stuff but not yet through 10 pages
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:15 PM
Is there any way to see if a smartass coach voted Vanderbilt 64th?
You can’t vote for a team to be 64th.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:15 PM
Na. SC got what is deserved. A trip to lovely El Paso, where beheadings are within a stone’s throw (or Max Wittek bomb)!
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:15 PM
ms, i’m giving blind man’s bluff a go. so far so good. worried about getting overwhelmed by technical stuff but not yet through 10 pages
The first chapter is a little heavy, the juicy stuff comes later. But it’s interesting to see how horrible our first attempt at Cold War spying via submarine went.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:16 PM
Why the fuck should he take the 2011 season into account for his voting?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:17 PM
That reminds me I’m meeting Spence’s mom for dinner.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:17 PM
I hate Clay Travis almost as much as I hate Lenny Kravitz, but not as much as I hate water chestnuts
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:17 PM
Clay Travis doesn’t think he went far enough
Love his radio show, but he comes off poorly trying to make a splash or be funny sometimes. His current bender on Arkansas fans is pretty great though.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:17 PM
That reminds me I’m meeting Spence’s mom for dinner.
Are you going to have the veal?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:19 PM
The first part does not seem egregious. The 2nd part would…if he had taken 2011 into account.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:19 PM
That reminds me I’m meeting Spence’s mom for dinner.
you’re going to want to bring a wet washrag with you. For before.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:19 PM
How do you still get a vote if you’re fired. I’m just going to assume this is the SID voting they do at most places ?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:19 PM
That reminds me I’m meeting Spence’s mom for dinner.
aged cheese
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 PM
different show than 3 Hour Lunch? I haven’t listened to that one much but my father-in-law likes it. I’m not a big Clay Travis fan.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:22 PM
I sure hope so, because if I were an AD, I would not want my coach watching large amounts of games of teams that they don’t play.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:22 PM
different show than 3 Hour Lunch?
That’s the one. Usually pretty good. He’s trying to get his name out there nationally with outlandish statements/crusades against fans of teams and I get that, because it’s working. Just have to ignore the obvious trolling sometimes
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:23 PM
And I think we can wrap this up now and move to the next post.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:23 PM
Arkfans – I was sent a link to some Arkansas reporter who is saying Chris Peterson is likely the next head coach. I was told by a Ark friend that this particular reporter doesn’t have a spotless track record, though. You hearing anything about this? I’m interested because as a UT fan, Peterson is one guy I wouldn’t mind seeing them use to replace Mack.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:23 PM
Bret Bielema to Tennessee!
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:24 PM
Whoever is the “3HL Mayor” is a douche.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:25 PM
They just list the vote getters 1-25.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 PM
hot & sour soup >>> wanton soup
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 PM
And I think we can wrap this up now and move to the next post.
you squeamish, bro?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 PM
Well teams that got a top 25 vote. But FYI Vandy is 27th in both polls.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 PM
Don’t get abashed at any point or at least bring the stain remover in case you do.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 PM
Peterson is about as overqualified for that job as Kiffin was unqualified for the SC job.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:30 PM
Nick Foles named the starter for the remainder of the season.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:30 PM
who was the reporter? the three names I heard this morning were Petersen, Gundy and Patterson, but there have been so many names thrown out lately that it is tough to get a read.
unless of course you are Tyberious Q. Duffy, who officially ruled out Petersen going to Arkansas over 12 hours ago.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 PM
wasn’t Joker shit canned? how can he vote?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 PM
DAMNIT
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 PM
Going to try. I hear Miami is nice this time of year.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 PM
hey, dreamers/writers/fans
you too could share links to your work. get in on the fun!
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Why would Peterson turn down all those job offers over the years, just to take a gig at Arkansas?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 PM
I can’t be the only one hoping Oregon beats K-State by 40, right?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 PM
I can’t be mad about the ND ranking, or NIU. It’s probably where they actually fall. OU sixth? Well, that’s not so good.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:33 PM
Could we edit your work and insert the word ‘cum’ in places that don’t make any sense but insist that is how it was initially written?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:34 PM
“who was the reporter?”
I think it was Andy Hodges? I deleted the e-mail so I’m going off memory and I don’t regularly read Arkansas journos.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:34 PM
I could pretty easily get tickets (Vandy staying in Nashville) but I doubt I’ll bother, esp on New Years Eve. Still might head down to the MLB winter meetings tomorrow if I can get a few hours off, and see what I can find.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:35 PM
anyone going to a bowl game?
going to try to make holiday and cotton.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:35 PM
I go to Motor City bowl pretty much every year. good times. Went to the last two Gator Bowls, won’t be going this season.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:36 PM
Who can be? Who gives a shit… they’ll have a chance next month. If they beat Alabama, ND can walk around with both middle fingers up. If they get shellacked, then they get a whole offseason trying to defend their crappy schedule and probably 5th place conference finish had they played in the SEC, and whatever other talk will come up.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 PM
Could we edit your work and insert the word ‘cum’ in places that don’t make any sense but insist that is how it was initially written?
too late for mine, but perhaps our unpaid interns can grab this and run to daylight.
you’ve given me a horrible idea tho…all commenters could follow your advice re ‘cum’ insertion in their comments. let’s choose one at random…
Why would Peterson turn down all those job offers over the years, just to cum at Arkansas?
not that fun really. nm
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 PM
A coup if Ark get either. Peterson and Patterson are immensely overqualified, and Gundy is at his alma mater, beating OU with regularity, while T. Boone cuts him nice checks.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 PM
From what I can gather, Boise asked Petersen if they could try to counter Ark’s offer. Supposedly, that was going to happen overnight. I think the fact that Petersen gave them the opportunity to counter is good news for Boise. I guess Gundy is either going to Tenn or Ark. Tenn was in his home yesterday. At his weekly tele-conference last night, he wouldn’t deny any of the reports.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 PM
I should say Gundy MAY be a good hire. I hate his style of play
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:38 PM
The closest games to here are Detroit and DC. Woof.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 PM
see what I can find.
GMs and hookers
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 PM
hmm, that name doesn’t ring a bell, so I can’t really help. the Gundy talk has stepped up quite a bit lately, and everyone is expecting a hire within the week, but I’ve heard Gundy’s name mentioned with Tenn. quite a bit as well, so who knows.
good question, I really don’t know. maybe he thought he had more to prove at Boise so he wanted to stay there for a couple more years, and Arkansas just came up at the right time? I honestly don’t have the first idea.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 PM
probably. Go Cats.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 PM
This must have been what it was like to get a field promotion on the Titanic.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:41 PM
And in fairness, if ND wins, SEC fans are never allowed to talk about their conference again.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 PM
I guess Gundy is either going to Tenn or Ark. Tenn was in his home yesterday. At his weekly tele-conference last night, he wouldn’t deny any of the reports.
Gundy needs to buck up and realize he is an employee. 10 years from now when he is coaching a directional school after failing in the SEC he’ll be kicking himself for being an assclown about OSU.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:43 PM
Is there a way to enforce this rule if they lose, too? Or at least force any fans of an Alabama rival who root for the Tide vs. ND to never mention the conference again?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:43 PM
the hot number Arkansas has been throwing around for a while is 4-5 million a year. I think Petersen makes 2 million a year right now at Boise. if he is Arkansas guy, I don’t doubt they would throw a number at him that they about know Boise wouldn’t be able to cover.
I’ve heard that Gundy doesn’t get along with the AD at T Boone Pickens U., plus a move would get him out from the OU shadow. I could see him at Arkansas or Tenn. pretty easily.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 PM
If you are a Tennessee or Auburn fan rooting for Alabama, you better have a reason for rooting against Notre Dame that starts with “back when I was an altar boy…”
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Other than the shortened life expectancy that comes from living in SEC states, probably not, sadly.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 PM
It’s fascinating to me the number of people I’ve seen jump on the Irish for this game because they hate the SEC. People hate the SEC more than Notre Dame.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 PM
i just know briles is a goner.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Bret Bielema made a mistake (or despises Bob Stoops)
So what did Bielema do? His OK and NI rankings seemed reasonable.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 PM
THAT IS SO RACIST!!
/TBL impersonation
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:55 PM
i just know briles is a goner.
Why is that? Leaving for greener pastures or is the school disappointed in the season?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 PM
Duffy going to do a post on Jerry Moore retiring? Last time Michigan was talked about on a national stage.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:00 PM
only a team mighty enough to not belong to a conference can dethrone the fierce SEC!
/GodsofTheGridiron
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:01 PM
Sun Bowl bound. Not a fan of either team but I’ll be in town for the holidays. I was hoping for GT to upset Florida St. to avoid having to watch them play against USC.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:04 PM
Craig James did not vote this year, but Mark Richt reflected his sentiments.
Having those two names in the same sentence is interesting.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:04 PM
It’s probably about even. There’s really no one to root for in this game other than motivated terrorists and lax stadium security.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:08 PM
Curious about the SEC and ND hatred. To the haters, is it just the perceived arrogance of the two fan bases? What are the reasons? I like SEC and ND
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 PM
And in fairness, if ND wins, SEC fans are never allowed to talk about their conference again.
Not an absolute. I’m an SEC guy and will be rooting for ND. I’m a bit tired of the SEC homers.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:15 PM
I like the idea of Gundy coming to the SEC. And I assume Petrino will be at Auburn. The conference desperately needs better QB play.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 PM
Plus he hands out ice cream to the students.
I like the cut of this guy’s jib.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:20 PM
Brian Kelly, intern killer.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:23 PM
Same here.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:25 PM
Fair, fair. The homers are obviously the loudest ones.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 PM
That fair, but ND hatred long precedes that
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:27 PM
Fixed.
Btw as an LSU fan i’m Irish all the way. Kelly could kill a dozen interns and i’d still root for him over Saban.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:27 PM
Here you go.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:29 PM
I will be rooting for Notre Dame because I’m a Tennessee fan and fucking hate Bammer.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:29 PM
On the other side: George Wallace.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:30 PM
Also after the way the SEC screwed LSU both in this year’s bowl selection process and next year’s schedule (@ Georgia while Bama gets Kentucky), fuck the SEC.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:31 PM
Why is that? Leaving for greener pastures or is the school disappointed in the season?
greener pastures. we could not be happier with what he has done.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:33 PM
you’re aware of the way the conference rotates out-of-division games, right? they don’t just pick that stuff to satisfy some narrative or generate ratings like the NBA and NFL do.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:33 PM
Bama not making it easy to cheer for them but unless they spend a billion in rape victim hush money after decades of tacit pederast abetment between now and the game I’m comfortable with the pick.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:34 PM
Does this mean we have to root against BC, Villanova, Marquette, DePaul, Georgetown, Gonzaga, etc in basketball as well?
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:36 PM
Mormon teams to, fuck them.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:37 PM
I underestimated the Catholic angle I suppose. I’m a Catholicism hater to be sure, but I’ve come to view ND as just another football factory, that happens to be on an academic high horse. The Catholic fan base is good reason to hate them though.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:39 PM
BC was founded by Jesuits. So no.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:41 PM
As were Marquette, Georgetown, and Gozaga.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:42 PM
You’re aware both NBA and NFL have rigid scheduling formats and don’t “pick” a single game, right?
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:42 PM
ND is very, very catholic. The students set out BBQ’s on campus on game day to raise funds for clubs/whatever. I bought a hamburger and the young woman invited me to church after the game to “rejoice in the Lord.” Hamburger was under-cooked to.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:43 PM
STATES RIGHTS!!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:44 PM
The SEC has only scheduled up to 2013, as they anticipate either a) expanding to 16 teams, b) adding a 9th conference game, or c) possibly eliminating the permanent cross-opponent. Nobody knows what the schedule will look like for 2014 or beyond. As of now there is no “rotation” of divisional games, 2013 was a standalone year.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:45 PM
There’s no such thing as an undercooked hamburger, fag.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:45 PM
Are Jesuits not Catholic? Or are they just less rapey than other priests?
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:46 PM
It was fucking cold in middle you cunty slag, cunts probably though Jebus would heat it up with his bounty or some shit. Fucking cannibals and their creepy dead friends.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:49 PM
Drunk as hell I’ve eaten raw burger
/not slang
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:50 PM
Ra does not cook hamburgers you fucking ugly choir child fucking retards.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:52 PM
Jesuits are a branch of Catholics yes but markedly different. Jesuits have some amazing schools, they focus on education, as opposed to Catholicism focusing on oppressing education.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:54 PM
I stand by my statement.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:56 PM
I was priced out of the Cotton Bowl immediately ($140 + parking to get in the door), but then everybody flooded StubHub and tickets skyrocketed to $250 for nosebleeds.
Johnny Football brings ‘em in.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:56 PM
The correct response is, “Ya, but still”
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:58 PM
Ya, but aTm still isn’t a good program. Haven’t you learned anything from boisterous SEC fans?
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:10 PM
you’re right, it has nothing to do with aTm being in a bowl in their home state in their first year in a new conference. and to be clear, I never said ass to mouth wasn’t a good program, I said they aren’t the cat’s meow like everyone of their fans think they are.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:11 PM
holy shit, aTm is 0-6 in their last 6 Cotton Bowl appearances. yep, lots of great football tradition there.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:32 PM
Ya, good point on tradition. Bear Bryant and Gene Stallings were scrubs.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:21 PM
you forgot Jackie Sherrill.
/castrates bull