Chicago is the Worst NFL City for Punting Average, the Best is More of a Shock
Adam Podlesh engaged with a trolling Bears fan who called him out on Twitter for his net punting average. Because I am weird, that got me thinking about punters, and just how bad of a situation it is to punt in Chicago. No, I’m not referring to the fans, I’m talking about the wind conditions, the cold, and the weather extremes.
So, here’s what I did. Using the amazing game play finder now available at pro-football-reference.com, I went through the last five years (2007-2011), and found the road punter’s gross average for each of the 32 teams. Why the road punter? Well, it gives us a more diverse group of punters, and doesn’t skew the results when half of Oakland’s punts are coming from Shane Lechler. There is still the potential for some stadiums having different quality punters, but it is muted.
I then looked for all punts that occurred from the team’s own 40 yard line or further back, so we are looking at full field punts and not getting the effect of touchbacks and shortened opportunities. The results are mostly intuitive, though there a few surprises, starting with which stadium has the highest gross average on punts.
Chicago is dead last, so there’s your excuse, Adam Podlesh. They are dead last by so much that the difference between Chicago and 31st ranked Philadelphia is as much as the difference between Philadelphia and Buffalo (ranked 21st). The bottom eight teams are all outdoor teams from the Northeast or Upper Midwest.
The Dome teams are all bunched up, and above average, which makes sense. Only New Orleans is below average for road punters among domed stadiums.
The shock is that Kansas City is at the very top. I mean, I would have pegged Arrowhead for near the bottom, considering the temperature extremes, that is a Midwest outdoor city like Chicago. Part of that ranking, but only a part of it, is explained by the fact they have two very good punters in their division. Shane Lechler of Oakland and Mike Scifres of San Diego account for 31 of the 109 punts in Kansas City from 2007 to 2011. Even removing those two, the average of all other road punters in KC is 47.9, though.
The other top stadiums for gross punting average are Miami (heat, humidity), Denver (altitude), St. Louis (dome), Dallas (humid in early months), Houston and Arizona (humid, roof that closes), Minnesota, Atlanta, Indianapolis and Detroit (domes).
The other interesting thing? The returns are included as well. The correlation coefficient between gross punting distance by stadium, and average return? -0.03. That’s basically zero, so the returns don’t seem to be impacted by where they are occurring, but more related to the quality of the return men for the home team.
Chicago ranks first there, but last in how punters not named Adam Podlesh have performed over the previous five years.
[photo via US Presswire]

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November 28th, 2012 at 3:06 PM
You’re a strange duck, Jason Lisk. Good one. But strange.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:06 PM
Why does this not hold true for Tampa? Twenty spots seems like quite the drop or is this also due to the quality of punters like in Arrowhead?
November 28th, 2012 at 3:07 PM
who is Cincinnsti?
November 28th, 2012 at 3:08 PM
He means the Bungles
November 28th, 2012 at 3:08 PM
The caption, and the fact he’s punting in Denver in the photo, make that an all-timer.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:10 PM
Could the stat be skewed some what for teams that have had bad defenses during the time period studied, (i.e. NO & OAK) ?
November 28th, 2012 at 3:10 PM
agreed.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:11 PM
It also could be that the Eagles punters have sucked a big one for the past few years?
November 28th, 2012 at 3:11 PM
the key to good punts is not the stadium. its having an ERECT back, making HARD contact with the ball, and being able to stay ERECT after release.
/viagra punting
November 28th, 2012 at 3:11 PM
who is Cincinnsti?
He means the Bungles
i didn’t know if it was supposed to be Cincinnati or Cincinnasti.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:12 PM
jim rome constipates this site.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:13 PM
He only used the road punters in those stadiums I believe.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:15 PM
Solid Attempt. But this doesnt take into consideration the “Hester Factor”. I’m a Bears fan and the reason the average is so low is because for the past half decade punters have been trying to either (1) pin hester on a sideline and end up shanking a 20 yarder out of bounds – or – (2) just kick it straight up in the air for a fair catch.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:16 PM
Punting? You wanna talk punting? Punting?
/at least give us young Andy
November 28th, 2012 at 3:16 PM
Yup. Come over to the sight, BOOM, Jim Rome and his balls right in your face.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:16 PM
Yay! Good post. I liked it.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:16 PM
Even people in Cincinnati have trouble spelling it. Doesn’t have one of those fun, rhythmic spellings like “ehm-eye-ess-ess-eye-ess-ess-eye-pee-pee-eye”.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:17 PM
haha
November 28th, 2012 at 3:17 PM
clones…ever have those days where your life lock 5-hour energy jr13 metamucil god damn i hate jim rome fuck trying to impersonate him.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:19 PM
south park is very, very good at it.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:22 PM
I thought a road punter is when you assume your female hostage was travelling alone?
Usage:
Lady walked right past the ice machine, she’s all alone, time for an old school road punter.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:23 PM
Bum Phillips’s epitaph will be “Punt From Your Opponent’s 30, Dagnabit.”
November 28th, 2012 at 3:23 PM
that’s smack off material. rack em.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:25 PM
I have used the words “epithet” and “epitaph” in the last two posts, and used them correctly. I think four days of NyQuil binging has worn off.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:26 PM
The Bangles?
November 28th, 2012 at 3:26 PM
south park is very, very good at it.
that was the best episode in 3 years.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:26 PM
So is Frank Caliendo.
Though I know it’s gauche to admit he can be funny instead of thinking Louie is the funniest goddamn show of all time.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:29 PM
doesn’t skew the results when half of Oakland’s punts are coming from Shane Lechler.
because Oakland is Oakland and teams have to punt less than usual against Oakland , I’ll bet Shane Lechler accounts for more than half of the punts at whatever stadium they play at, with the baseball diamond on it.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:29 PM
Though I know it’s gauche to admit he can be funny instead of thinking Louie is the funniest goddamn show of all time.
i think caliendo’s impressions are spot on and impressive. he is just not remotely close to funny.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:30 PM
Spencer, that was hi-larious…my office coworkers think I am a crazy person because I am laughing so hard. I am going to need some more napkins to clean the coffee that I spit out on my computer screen
/(sound of paper crumpling)
November 28th, 2012 at 3:30 PM
I admit his schtick can get stale. But I saw him do a recent one of Gruden. Spot fucking on.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:32 PM
Perhaps teams punt directionally out of bounds away from Devin Hester thus sacrificing gross yardage for net yardage.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:33 PM
You know god-damned well that’s the famed O.co Coliseum. That refers to Overstock.com, who tried to rebrand themselves as O.co, but that last about 2 years and didn’t work. They bought the naming rights damnit, and their going to stick with them.
/Formerly Network Associates
//Formerly McAfee
Oakland doesn’t get much for naming rights
November 28th, 2012 at 3:33 PM
Though I know it’s gauche to admit he can be funny instead of thinking Louie is the funniest goddamn show of all time.
you must have come in at season 3, episode 6 or something. That show had a down year, outside of the sex in a truck one. But the season that spent a whole year getting celebrated was really very good.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:34 PM
Then you and Mole would love Jeff Dunham’s impression of Rome. Hilarious.
/according to my Mom
November 28th, 2012 at 3:34 PM
You know god-damned well that’s the famed O.co Coliseum.
I thought they played in the Oakland/Alameda County Coliseum. But I didn’t want to type that, so nobody would say that I was doing a bermanism.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:40 PM
Most foul territory in the majors
November 28th, 2012 at 3:41 PM
Excellent point.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:41 PM
Interesting that there’s a Giants-Jets discrepancy, just a variance thing?
November 28th, 2012 at 3:42 PM
Listening to Gruden makes me want to stab myself in the ears with flaming hot fireplace pokers. Can’t imagine I’d want to hear an imitation of him.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:43 PM
Definitely could be a factor, same with Philly and DeSean Jackson.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:43 PM
That’s how I always think of it, just like the Louisiana Superdome, Mile High Stadium, and the Murph.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:44 PM
“What does Chris Kluwe think about all this?”
-nobody
November 28th, 2012 at 3:45 PM
Hester is no longer a threat unless they’re now giving points for running backwards and sideways. He should retire before he ruins a borderline HOF candidacy
November 28th, 2012 at 3:45 PM
That leap was made long ago, the final season is just the icing on the duck.
November 28th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
Susana Hoffs Legend.
November 28th, 2012 at 4:08 PM
Jhs three of the four bangles were fine
November 28th, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Perhaps teams punt directionally out of bounds away from Devin Hester thus sacrificing gross yardage for net yardage.
This would seem to make sense.
However,
Gross average in Soldier Field, 2001-2005, pre-Hester = 41.8
Gross average for teams punting to Chicago in other stadiums = 45.5 (league avg. 46.4)
So the evidence that teams actually punt away from Hester pretty weak. They should have been punting out of bounds. Not sure they did enough to make it show up, though.
November 28th, 2012 at 6:08 PM
Thanks for that note Lisk. Awesome article.
November 28th, 2012 at 6:26 PM
Watched the Wolves at Kings game last night, you know what the Kings play in now? Sleep Train Arena. A mattress store bought the naming rights.