The NFL’s No Review Rule on Improper Challenges Doesn’t Fit the Crime, Needs to Be Reviewed
I’m throwing the challenge flag on the NFL rulebook and want a review. By asking for it, though, I probably just insured it would never happen.
Here’s what happened yesterday, in case you missed it. Justin Forsett ran the ball up the middle, hit down with his elbow and knee, and then got up and ran for an 81 yard touchdown when he was never called down. It came at a pretty big moment, as the Texans were down by 10 in the second half, and would use that score to get to overtime and win.
Because it was a scoring play, it was going to be automatically reviewed. That is, until Jim Schwartz threw the challenge flag because he wanted it to be reviewed. Because he made the mistake of wanting it reviewed, it was not. Makes sense, right?
Here’s the NFL Rulebook at Rule 15, Section 9 on coaches challenges.
Penalty For initiating a challenge when a team is prohibited from doing so: Loss of 15 yards.
Replay Official’s Request for Review. After all scoring plays . . . any Replay Review will be initiated by a Replay Official from a Replay Booth comparable to the location of the coaches’ booth or Press Box. There is no limit to the number of Referee Reviews that may be initiated by the Replay Official. He must initiate a review before the next legal snap or kick and cannot initiate a review of any ruling against a team that commits a foul that delays the next snap. [emphasis ours]
We can probably agree on a couple of things. In the heat of the moment, Jim Schwartz got caught up and threw that challenge flag when he shouldn’t have. It was dumb. Also, we don’t want clear errors being allowed to stand, at least most of us don’t.
This is a case of having the rule fit the rationale, or if you prefer, the punishment fit the crime. If you don’t want to have coaches delaying the game by throwing challenge flags, you have to do something to incentivize them not to do so.
They’ve done that. You get a 15 yard penalty. That’s a pretty severe penalty in the NFL world, and we know this because it matches the penalty imposed for the most egregious or serious acts on the field: face mask, unnecessary roughness, illegal chop blocks, and the like.
The only penalty more severe than that part already imposed on coaches is pass interference. We can have debates on that “spot of the foul” penalty, but at least you can argue that if it had not have occurred in many cases, the opposing team would have had the ball in as good or better of a situation (it eliminates YAC). Other penalties–holds, blocks in the back–can negate big plays, but at least there, you can argue that the play would not have happened but for the penalty.
The most severe penalty, though, in the entire rulebook is reserved for a coach who drops the red challenge flag after a play that used to be challengeable but is now subject to replay official review, like a turnover or score. Fifteen yards, and no review on the play in question. As we saw yesterday, that can have a monumental impact. Is that really the most egregious thing that can occur on a football field?
Rules or laws should be proportionate with your goals, and make logical sense. You don’t reserve the most severe punishment for failing to timely get your tags on a vehicle. They should also promote justice, and in the NFL world, this means getting it right. This is the whole point of replay.
Choosing to get it wrong, like yesterday, because of some laundry seems way out of line. The fifteen yard penalty is enough. Review the review rule, NFL. Don’t let coaches get in the way of getting right. You want to punish them in other ways (fines for repeat offenders) then so be it.
Most important, though, get it right.
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November 23rd, 2012 at 9:06 AM
If he’d hold that finish and extend through the kick, keeping that toe pointed out and not up, he could of added another 2-3 feet on that binder kick,
November 23rd, 2012 at 9:08 AM
That was a retarded series of events. But I’m glad it happened to the Lions.
November 23rd, 2012 at 9:08 AM
Justin Forsett ran the ball up the middle, hit down with his elbow and knee,
squarely in the middle of the field, in the field of vision of several officials. And then all the Detroit-o’s stopped, because they had knocked him to the ground.
The fifteen yard penalty is enough.
it would have made the undisciplined coach the bad guy. Instead, the NFL made the officials officious pricks.
November 23rd, 2012 at 9:10 AM
If he’d hold that finish and extend through the kick, keeping that toe pointed out and not up, he could of added another 2-3 feet on that binder kick,
right before he kicked it, Schwartz called timeout to freeze him, so that doesn’t count.
November 23rd, 2012 at 9:10 AM
Competition Committee should be able to help with this issue in the future, IIRC. I agree, though – bottom line is get it right.
November 23rd, 2012 at 9:13 AM
great post lisk.
i think all of this is painfully obvious and shows the rules committee didn’t go deep enough when revising the challenge rules in the offseason last year, they didn’t think of the most obvious outcome if a coach tosses the flag when he shouldn’t on a scoring play.
are there any other penalties in the rule book that negate an automatic review that the rulebook states should take place?
does a block in the back negate review of an interception if it’s committed on the return?
this penalty was a one in a million perfect storm, i’d rather the NFL review the inconsistencies of judging a catch in the end zone versus a catch in the other 100 yards on the field.
and how the ground can’t cause a fumble but it can cause an incomplete pass if the WR drops it when hitting the ground.
November 23rd, 2012 at 9:23 AM
That was a retarded series of events. But I’m glad it happened to the Lions.
This times infinity.
A justifiable make-up call for having Suh on your team.
November 23rd, 2012 at 9:27 AM
When this penalty was assessed last week against the Falcons, the first words out of my mouth were “dumbest rule in the book. Evar.”
So yesterday, whoever the “Fox Official Referee Analyst” is (the ex-ref who reviews reviews for Fox) says the same thing “worst rule evar.”
November 23rd, 2012 at 9:30 AM
My dad and I were shocked at this when we learned what was going on. The severity of it is one thing, but even beyond that, it’s just stupid to have such a penalty in place. Coaches throw challenge flags on plays that can’t be challenged all the time, and it’s just picked up and everyone goes on. Why wouldn’t this situation be any different?
November 23rd, 2012 at 9:37 AM
Hope you guys who have today off are having a good morning.
Currently at my desk and bored off my ass
November 23rd, 2012 at 9:39 AM
They need to get those lasers shooting up into space from the top of the FG posts… these FG kickers can really kick them now so there is going to be a major, major game (realize this happened in the Drive game) that is gaffed that way, on some FG over the uprights.
November 23rd, 2012 at 9:40 AM
I think this happened to Mike McCarthy of the GB Packers in the Browns-Packers preseason game.
November 23rd, 2012 at 9:44 AM
They could always make the goal posts 5-10 feet taller
November 23rd, 2012 at 9:47 AM
yeah I think there is some wind consideration, etc, cost of newer materials and probably a needed stability-driven redesign. Just adding some lasers seemed more efficient although just making them higher is simpler idea.
November 23rd, 2012 at 9:47 AM
What’s to stop the scoring team’s coach from incorrectly challenging and then prevent a review they know will overturn the score ?
November 23rd, 2012 at 9:47 AM
What’s to stop the scoring team’s coach from incorrectly challenging and then prevent a review they know will overturn the score ?
November 23rd, 2012 at 9:48 AM
“Know the fucking rules asshole” – Jim Schwarz on Jim Harbaugh challenging a scoring play in last years Niners-Lions game.
November 23rd, 2012 at 9:52 AM
During the broadcast the anouncers said the intent of the rule was to prevent the challenging team from gaining an advantage by tossing an “illegal” challenge flag. They obviously didn’t think through the other sside, an opponent benefiting from an obviously wrong (non) call. Keep the review, penalize on the kickoff or, if overturned, the next play. Or better yet, get rid of the challenge flags and have the replay booth watch everyplay ala college.
November 23rd, 2012 at 9:54 AM
devious, and pretty interesting if in the right situation where a 15 yard penalty on the kickoff won’t matter… such as the closing seconds of the half or game
November 23rd, 2012 at 10:00 AM
Whatever. The Lions still had plenty of chances to win and blew it hard. Stafford sucked late in the game. And Brandon Pettigrew should be executed along with Scott Linehan.
November 23rd, 2012 at 10:04 AM
They could always make the goal posts 5-10 feet taller
No one would be concerned about high winds making them unstable.
/Brian Kelly’d
I like the laser idea. I think they just need to get rid of the bars altogether. Stadiums install lasers for the bars and before each field goal, release the fog machine so everyone can see the “goal posts”.
Kickers are equipped with special 3-D goggles/visors for practice.
November 23rd, 2012 at 10:06 AM
“Know the fucking rules asshole” – Jim Schwarz on Jim Harbaugh challenging a scoring play in last years Niners-Lions game.
Serious? If so, that’s beyond fantastic.
November 23rd, 2012 at 10:07 AM
While I was glad to see it happen to the Lions, it was ridiculous. Why not just have the coach automatically lose that challenge opportunity? Scoring and turnover plays will be reviewed regardless. But, if the coach throws a challenge flag, he just doesn’t get it back. That’s still a pretty severe penalty, but seems to be more proportional than just not reviewing the play.
November 23rd, 2012 at 10:08 AM
That hawks cheerleader picture and video but a big fat smile on my face.
November 23rd, 2012 at 10:09 AM
Schwartz is a clown. Should’ve been him that died at the Macy’s day parade.
November 23rd, 2012 at 11:28 AM
I enjoy that it happened to Schwartz. Hilarious.
November 23rd, 2012 at 11:43 AM
I agree the rule is stupid, but it is false when you say the Texans used that score to get to OT. Sure, they would have needed to score a TD eventually on that drive, which they could have done on the very next play.
Also, they still had to drive 96 yards for a TD at the end of the game, which was the actual TD that sent them to OT.
And as dumb as the rule is, coaches make millions of dollars to manage games and know the rules. He should have known the situation.
November 23rd, 2012 at 12:33 PM
What’s to stop the scoring team’s coach from incorrectly challenging and then prevent a review they know will overturn the score ?
Because the rule only stops the review if a foul is committed by the team that would benefit from an overturn. Thus, a team that would be hurt by an overturn would have no impact by committing a penalty.