NFL Post Game Handshakes, Week 11: Mularkey Plays to Win, Andre Johnson Wins, Quarterbacks Dominate in Atlanta
This week’s post game Handshakes extends a laurel and hardy handshake to Mike Mularkey for trying to win rather than hoping for a tie on the road at Houston with his 1-8 team. We also go back to the 1980′s for the second week in a row with a Norv Turner and Ron Rivera connection, cover our eyes at what happened in Atlanta, and congratulate the AFC division winners.
Mike Mularkey Played to Win the Game: Jacksonville played their hearts out yesterday trying to pull the massive upset (something we can’t say about the other 1-8 team). Chad Henne’s improbable day almost made it possible. In overtime, the Jaguars faced a 4th and 10 with 2:36 left at the Houston 47. Punt, which is what many coaches might have done, and you most likely get a tie, if you can stop the opponent (still no guarantee on this day). Jacksonville, like they had been all day, was an underdog to win at that point, and the only legitimate chance to win was to go for it.
Mularkey kept the offense on. The only other time that a team went in this situation in the last decade was Cincinnati in 2009 (and Marvin Lewis had to be convinced by Carson Palmer and the players) and the Bengals won after converting a 4th and 11 with just over a minute left in OT. Jacksonville failed, and Houston immediately scored the game winner. Congrats to Mularkey–on a day filled with plenty of negative and head scratching decisions–to actually play to win a NFL game.
Chad Henne approves with the Rocking Movember mustache. (gif via SB Nation)
Congratulations, AFC Division Winners: Remember just a month ago when people were talking about the AFC East being all tied, and Denver trailed San Diego in the West. I’ve been projecting the division winners, except Baltimore, to win comfortably. That then changed with the Roethlisberger injury and the Ravens going into Pittsburgh to win and take a two game plus tiebreaker lead. Denver has a three game lead and the tiebreaker locked up against San Diego, making their magic number three. Houston has a three game lead in the South. New England has a three game lead in the East.
All the drama in the AFC will be how the seeding shakes out, whether Pittsburgh can get just enough while Roethlisberger is out, and/0r get him back for home games against San Diego and Cincinnati, and whether the Colts can do the improbable and go from worst record to the postseason in a weak AFC middle class.
Ron Rivera learned it from watching you, Norv: The Carolina Panthers have held a fourth quarter lead in six of the ten games this year. They have now lost four of those six games, including two inside the final minute. In both late losses, Carolina faced a 4th and 1 at midfield in a situation where a first down wins the game. In both divisional games against Atlanta and Tampa Bay, they punted and watched the opponent go down and score. This week, it was Vincent Jackson doing the deed, as the Buccaneers have rocketed past the Panthers in the division and are now 6-4.
Ron Rivera is often too conservative in these situations, and is now 4-12 over the last two years in close games. The close game mark can be deceiving–San Diego was down by 14 late yesterday and cut it to a touchdown but had a very slim chance, for example–but in many of Carolina’s, they had a very real chance to win. Rivera was the defensive coordinator under Norv Turner, who is 49-70-1 in close games in his long and illustrious career.
I picture the conversation where Norv asks Ron Rivera why his team is so bad in close games going something like this:
Quarterback Play in Arizona-Atlanta Set Game Back Fifty Years: Matt Ryan threw five interceptions, and his team won. How does that happen? John-Ryan Skelton-Lindley, that’s how. The Arizona quarterbacks combined for 11 of 27 for 66 yards, in a game where they had a lead early and were in it throughout because of those turnovers.
Matt Ryan becomes the fourteenth quarterback since 1960 to throw five interceptions in a game his team won. Half of those came by 1970, when interception rates were much higher. The most recent was Tony Romo’s game against Buffalo on Monday Night in 2007. Before that, you have to go back to Mark Rypien in 1990. The only other game where a quarterback threw no touchdown passes, five interceptions, and won was Bart Starr in 1967. In that crazy game, the Packers had a -7 turnover margin and still won 13-10 against the Bears.
Meanwhile, for Arizona, add in the three sacks, and they had 40 net passing yards on 30 pass attempts. That’s almost as bad as Michael Turner’s per play output.
Shawn Jefferson Wanted Titus Young Out: The Detroit Lions wide receiver coach Shawn Jefferson was caught yelling at offensive coordinator Scott Linehan, “Take him out, I can’t do it anymore.” This occurred right after a key late series that basically ended the game for the Lions, where Titus Young was targeted twice on incompletions. Young is a talented player physically, but has been a bit of a knucklehead so far, and is getting this opportunity because of the Burleson injury.
Young wasn’t on the field when the Lions came back out for their desperation attempt to score, after the Packers added the field goal to make it 24-20 with very little time remaining.
When asked about the exchange, Jim Schwartz said, “I’d rather not go into it. Everybody was disappointed not to be able to score a touchdown on that last drive.”
A.J. Green, Touchdown Machine: Nine times in a row, A.J. Green has played a game where he scored at least one touchdown. That’s the longest streak since Jerry Rice in 1987. Here’s his latest one-handed grab against Kansas City.
New Orleans Saints, Meet the 1992 Chargers: New Orleans has now climbed back to 5-5 after an 0-4 start. Do you think they would like to have that last improbable quarter and overtime back against the Kansas City Chiefs? As it stands, we can now officially put the Saints in the playoff discussion. Their main problem is the number of teams ahead of them, and not the distance now. Out of Seattle, Minnesota, and Tampa Bay, if one of those three wins more than half their games, that puts it at 10, meaning New Orleans would have to go 5 of 6 down the stretch to get in a tiebreaker discussion. Minnesota’s schedule is too tough for that, but the others can get their with close wins like the Bucs got yesterday.
The good news, though, is that it is now directly in front of the Saints. Their next five opponents are either ahead or tied with New Orleans for playoff position. A tough schedule for sure with home games against San Francisco and Tampa Bay, and road games at Atlanta, New York, and Dallas. When you are chasing, you want to have those huge swing games. New Orleans is very much in play, and will have to run that gauntlet.
Matt Schaub and Andre Johnson, partying like it’s 2009: The Houston Texans don’t throw it like they used to, when the defense was putrid and they needed to outscore people. Andre Johnson had 597 yards in his previous nine games this year. He had 273 yesterday, the seventh most since 1960, and most since Terrell Owens had 283 in 2000. The last 48 came on the game winner in overtime. On a day when the Texans defense was in trouble, Schaub and Johnson showed they still had it, and Andre Johnson looks like he just might be healthy again.
FOURTH AND ONE LOG:
Week after week, I log these results in close game. Almost without fail, the aggressive decisions turn out to be better than the conservative ones. It’s not data and numbers, they are real events every week. Yet, coaches are getting more conservative? Amazing. Here’s this week’s results in close games and reasonable situations where some coaches might go for it, midfield and toward opponent’s goal line (10 points or less).
1. On 4th and 1 at the Atlanta 9 up 10-0, Arizona kicked the field goal to take a 13-0 lead. THEY LOST 23-19. GEE, That 4 points from A-Gamblin’ Might Have Come in Handy!
2. On 4th and 1 at the Miami 16, Buffalo kicked up 10-0 in the first. They eventually held on for a 19-14 victory, in a game they dominated and should not have been close.
3. On 4th and 1 at the Carolina 2 in the fourth quarter, trailing by 4, Tampa Bay went, Doug Martin got the first down, but allegedly fumbled before crossing the end zone, though it looked like a touchdown to these eyes. Still, fortune favors the Bold . . .
4. On 4th and 1 at midfield, Carolina punted to Tampa Bay with 1:02 left up 8. A conversion wins the game outright. It’s not a clear choice, it would have been unconventional, but we’ve seen Carolina blow games again, and again, and again, after having the lead. You are still a heavy favorite to win if you fail, and you clinch. Of course, Tampa Bay scored, made the two point conversion, and won in overtime. Fortune favors the Bold.
5. Cleveland punted at midfield in the first quarter. Dallas didn’t do anything with it, Cleveland got the ball back at midfield after a big Cribbs return and scored on the next drive. One point for the Shurmurs and punting.
6. In the 4th quarter, down 14-10, Dallas went, converted, and took the lead on a touchdown pass to Dez Bryant a few plays later.
7. Down 4 at the two minute warning, Cleveland went, failed on a fade, but forced a punt and got the ball back in great field position, scoring a play later to temporarily take a 20-17 lead.
8. Houston kicked on 4th and 1 at the Jacksonville 9, trailing by 10. This is actually a fairly bad call given the score (trailing by multiple scores in second half), and the fact that Houston is one of the best rushing teams in the league and the Jaguars one of the worst rush defenses. Houston did get to overtime and win, though, so it didn’t cost them.
9. Denver and John Fox have all your fourth and ones. It cost you your cover. Denver kicked a FG on 4th and 1 at SD 1, tied at 7. Fourth and 1 at SD 12 up 8, they kicked.
10. There were actually 8 different fourth and one’s in Denver-San Diego, with the teams kicking on the first seven. San Diego went on the final one down by 14 and scored a touchdown pass on the play, to make it a one score game.
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November 19th, 2012 at 12:11 PM
Broncos
November 19th, 2012 at 12:13 PM
Has Den given up a 3rd down conversion yet? Because that stat was getting ridiculous.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:13 PM
Kubiak’s kicking on that 4th and 1 befuddled me. Still does.
Most surprising thing about this column was that the “I learned it from watching you” PSA came out 25 years ago. Damn.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:13 PM
Looks like Johnson Wagner. I’m fired up for when Arizona/KC/Philly gives him a nice contract where he can fulfill his destiny as Ryan Fitzpatrick the sequel.
I said this yesterday, but he’s been incredible, the Roy Green of this generation. Underappreciated bigtime. Just ask Phil Rivers.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:15 PM
I still don’t think Baltimore is in a great spot, Lisk. Ravens still have @SD, Pittsburgh, Denver, @Washington, NYG, @ Cincy. Given their injury problems (both starting corners now out for the year) and road woes and brutal schedule compared to Pittsburgh, there’s no reason to think they’re solid.
Hell, there’s a very real possibility that the Ravens and Steelers enter December statistically tied at 8-4.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:16 PM
Lisk, do you have a win probability estimate for the Jags when Mularkey went for it on 4th and 10?
/had no problem with a 1-8 team going for it.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:16 PM
I think Cincy drags itself to the 2nd wildcard somehow, just because it’s not a proper playoffs season unless Cincy is blown out in the first round in a totally forgettable game.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:16 PM
Good Lord. Green Bay fans are disgusting.
http://www.freep.com/article/20121118/SPORTS01/121118028/detroit-lions-coaches-argument-loss-green-bay-packers
November 19th, 2012 at 12:17 PM
crazy the texans scoring that much after the shitshow in chicago. part of the reason i bet on jax to cover the 16 was a feeling that the texans might still be beat up a bit
schaub with 5 TD is lightning in a bottle
November 19th, 2012 at 12:17 PM
Kubiak ordered a punt on 4th and 4 from the JAX 36 in the first half.
Gained 18 yards net by the effort.
Jacksonville promptly scored on a long TD pass.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:19 PM
statistically tied at 8-4.
this is very wwos
November 19th, 2012 at 12:21 PM
They’re going 3-3 on that stretch at worst. Even 2-4 would put them at 10-6. They’re fine.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:21 PM
is confused
November 19th, 2012 at 12:21 PM
You just can’t quit me, can you Vez?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:23 PM
I dunno. Pittsburgh’s schedule is a joke and if you assume every road game is a loss, they’d have to sweep Denver, Pittsburgh and NYG at home to get to finish .500. I don’t like those odds.
More importantly though, this isn’t a team that can win a playoff game outside of Baltimore. Having to travel to NE, Houston or Denver is a stone cold lock loss. They need to somehow get the two seed and hope Houston trips up. Don’t see that happening with the schedule they have left.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:24 PM
Henne played great. Remember this butthurt?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:24 PM
As am I – not sure that’s the link you wanted there KC.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:24 PM
Yes….that article was all about Green Bay fans
November 19th, 2012 at 12:25 PM
Shut the fuck up. Fire this bum.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:26 PM
So how peeved is J-Mac that he didn’t get to ‘break’ the Heidi Watney to MLB Network news?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:26 PM
off-topic:
this story we wrote a month ago is now official
http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/10/26/heidi-watney-to-the-mlb-network-thats-the-rumor/
November 19th, 2012 at 12:27 PM
That’s pretty dumb. They’re much better than Washington. They’re 100 times better than San Diego.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:27 PM
Good Lord. Green Bay fans are disgusting.
is confused
Slide #2.
/Middle finger to slideshows.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:28 PM
cracker jack Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:26 PM
So how peeved is J-Mac that he didn’t get to ‘break’ the Heidi Watney to MLB Network news?
21Jason McIntyre Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:26 PM
off-topic:
this story we wrote a month ago is now official
http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/10/26/heidi-watney-to-the-mlb-network-thats-the-rumor/
Well, that is awkward.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:29 PM
Chad Henne absolutely needs to start every game the rest of the season for the Jags.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:30 PM
AFC title game will be Pats/Broncos, continuing the Joe Montana parallel who took the Chiefs to the title game his first year there, only to lose to the previous year’s SB loser.
/just making shit up now
November 19th, 2012 at 12:31 PM
You just can’t quit me, can you Vez?
i miss the scent of your spreadsheets
November 19th, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Lisk, do you have a win probability estimate for the Jags when Mularkey went for it on 4th and 10?
real life cases at end of overtime will be too infrequent. i would say about 1 in 3 of converting there, which would put them inside Houston 35. Highly likely to score and if fail, little time for Houston.
If we treat ties as half-wins, I would estimate about 0.4 WP by going, 0.33 WP by punting. Most of punting WP is for a tie.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:33 PM
Broyles > Young SENIOR
Earlier in 2nd half he jumped off sides then got a offensive PI on a critical third down in the Packers side of the field.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:33 PM
Such a wishy washy post, though. A real reporter/journalist these days wouldve just gone with “multiple sources confirm that Watney has accepted a position with the MLB network”. Then I could buy that you ‘broke’ the news. That post was nothing more than throwing out some rumors that you heard on Twitter, that you could always back out on, but then if it happens you claim you broke it? Anyways, that’s a lot to write about something I really, really don’t care a lick about.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:33 PM
“AFC title game will be Pats/Broncos,”
Nah, Texans are better and more balanced than both of those teams.
Hopefully yesterday reminded Kubiak that he truly does have a two dimensional offense at his disposal. While I love the idea of taking the ball and playing keep away with a solid running game and stingy defense, they need to open it up at times.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:35 PM
Looks like they finally gave up a conversion.
/apparently I’m the only one that finds this interesting.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:35 PM
Pats look like SB winners
November 19th, 2012 at 12:35 PM
“AFC title game will be Pats/Broncos,”
Nah, Texans are better and more balanced than both of those teams.
I’d wish that to be the case, but Kubiak vs Bellichick/Fox in the playoffs? I don’t know.
Meanwhile, Saints have dug themselves out of that 0-4 start. Big game this weekend against Frisco. If they have any aspirations of anything this year, the next 3 games are must wins.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:35 PM
Ouch!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 12:35 PM
On paper, yeah. But 1, I don’t trust their coach and 2, only a matter of time before Schaub or Johnson or both get hurt again.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:37 PM
I mean, I didnt mean it to be a slam, as I dont think he’s ever claimed to be either.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:37 PM
The Colts don’t have a defense. I did love seeing the Alfonzo Dennard pick 6. Another guy I wanted the Lions to draft. Mayhew was to busy drafting LB’s who are playing on that spectacular Lions special teams unit.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:38 PM
Anything worse than 4-2 and they’re done. 10-6 minimum is the wildcard in the NFC
November 19th, 2012 at 12:39 PM
Journalist…it spawned a short-lived meme.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:40 PM
He’s cut! – It’s a bad cut!…. Keep chopping away! – Chop him down!
November 19th, 2012 at 12:40 PM
Time for their annual Run The Table and Look Like Worldbeaters Against Mediocre Competition Than Struggle In Playoffs Against A Team With A Passrush(TM)*.
*All Rights Reserved
November 19th, 2012 at 12:41 PM
The Saints have a lot of games left against teams in front of them for a WC, though. They make the playoffs and Brees has to be MVP.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:41 PM
I’ve actually heard that slideshows are all the rage.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:42 PM
Beat me to it. The Pats do this every year, just like the Colts used to before them.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:43 PM
As usual I didn’t get the game, but I’ve heard that the defense has some nice plays, but that Talib got beat for two TDs. I swear, if he pulls an Asante Samuel and loses the Superbowl this year…
That said, as a Patriots fan, the teams I’m most scared of in the playoffs:
1) Houston
2) Denver
3) …
If Pats get a bye, with McCourty at safety the rest of the year, another Superbowl run wouldn’t surprise me at all. This team really has seemed all year like either a really flawed team, or one waiting to peak at the right time. I’m hoping the latter, and I think they have the personnel for that to happen, eventually.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
WWOS, did you continue your historic run of correctly picking Patriots’ games this year?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
If a team as awful as the Colts makes it out of the NFC, sure.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:46 PM
The Saints have a lot of games left against teams in front of them for a WC, though.
All their games are against NFC opponents — including games against Dallas and Tampa, who will also be fighting for that #6 spot. They could arguably lose to Frisco and the Giants while beating the other 4 teams (DAL, TB, CAR and ATL) and be OK.
They make the playoffs and Brees has to be MVP.
Even I don’t think that’s happening. Peyton and Purple Jesus have too much of a headstart with the national media for that to even happen.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:47 PM
If a team as awful as the Colts makes it out of the NFC, sure.
You mean the AFC? Colts are in the winning for the wild card right now. And the Steelers losing Brown and Roeth for a couple of weeks isn’t going to help their cause.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
In the winning? Shit, I meant ‘running’.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
vladdy, bush and gould are taking you down tonight
November 19th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
I think any Cowboys fan would tell you, you don’t have to worry too much about Dallas.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
Whose award candidacy collapsed faster this weekend, Matty Ice or Optimus Klein?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:49 PM
No, fuck that. Wasn’t putting money on it this week anyway, but I had the Pats in Pick’em all week and then last minute got scared of the Chuck Pagano speeches. Still 9-1, but man I was pissed at my stupidity. You have to have balls and conviction (or arrogance) to be a good gambler, and I failed miserably.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:49 PM
No I meant the NFC. As in the Patriots have to play a team from the NFC to win the Super Bowl.
Correct me if I’m wrong here.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Indeed. Amendola and Houston defense killed me.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:50 PM
ms, he meant nfc, because that’s who the afc champ faces in the sb
/jmorris’d
November 19th, 2012 at 12:50 PM
He’s cut! – It’s a bad cut!…. Keep chopping away! – Chop him down!
WWOS as the Rocky trainer. Nice.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Optimus. Which is a shame, too, because now the Manti Teo Sports Media Narrative is a lock for the Heisman despite being the fourth of fifth best defensive player in the country.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:51 PM
He meant that the Pats only look good because they got to play the Colts, so the only way they win a SB is if a team as shitty as the Colts is their opponent in the game. He just wasn’t very clear.
That said, I think the Patriots are undervalued by many of you. They are flawed, but they are in a better position than most to fix those flaws. Their pass defense and pass rush is shitty, but they do have the ability to make a few plays.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Risin’ up, back on the blog
Took her time, took her chances
Went the distance
Now CJ’s back on her feet
Just a commenter tryin to survive
November 19th, 2012 at 12:52 PM
niners favored by 3.5 now. kazzy said it was 5.5 in the roundup. still bears on that
November 19th, 2012 at 12:53 PM
Manning plays in a dogshit division and has put up a ton of garbage time stats so far this season. I’m not sure why the’s the de facto MVP. If Brees were to lead this banged-up, coachless squad to the playoffs he’d have my (nonexistent) vote without question.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:53 PM
He just wasn’t very clear.
p-value for this?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:55 PM
because now the Manti Teo Sports Media Narrative is a lock for the Heisman despite being the fourth of fifth best defensive player in the country.
ugh. i can live with nd in the bcscg, but not him as heisman. that said, this would be the year, with shit for competition
November 19th, 2012 at 12:55 PM
I wasnt expecting him at top speed or anything so I was pleasantly surprised with his performance. The first TD he actually played pretty well, it was a great catch. One of the best plays on defense was when he was beat on a throw and McCourty came sprinting in to break it up. Really excited to see those 2 work together.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:56 PM
No I meant the NFC. As in the Patriots have to play a team from the NFC to win the Super Bowl.
I misunderstood. I thought you meant the Colts only make it out if they have crappy matchups in the AFC.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:56 PM
Also applies to ND as a whole
November 19th, 2012 at 12:56 PM
speaking of rocky
November 19th, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Trying to read actual content with animated .gifs ablazing reminds me of trying to read web sites in the mid 90′s that inexplicably felt the bling tag was the way to go.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:57 PM
or “blink” tag
November 19th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
including games against Dallas and Tampa, who will also be fighting for that #6 spot.
I think any Cowboys fan would tell you, you don’t have to worry too much about Dallas.
Dallas has both games against the Skins as well as games against the Bengals, Steelers and Saints (all playoff chasers). They also face Philly but I think we can give them that W.
Realistically, the top 5 seeds are gone. So it’s 5 teams fighting for 1 spot. Of them, I’d say Minny has the hardest schedule (Green Bay twice, Chicago and Houston) while Seattle has the easiest and the inside track (Miami, Arizona, Buffalo and St Louis all in there).
November 19th, 2012 at 1:02 PM
The Bears could fall hard. Crossing my fingers and toes that Campbell is still the QB for both Vikings games
November 19th, 2012 at 1:02 PM
or “blink” tag
Means something different to me after playing Dishonored
November 19th, 2012 at 1:05 PM
I mean they’re clearly the third best team in the conference I just see a bit of a steep from Houston and Denver.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:08 PM
McCourty at safety might change that defense entirely. His rookie year he was a hell of a playmaker, solid tackler, physical, forcing fumbles… I’m pretty optimistic for that defense right now.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:09 PM
NE beat Denver, no?
November 19th, 2012 at 1:10 PM
“Pats look like SB winners”
Yes, a week after Ryan Fitzpatrick underthrew a sure game winning TD in NE. Whatever.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:15 PM
That they did. Denver has improved a bit since then and really shouldn’t lose more than once again the rest of the regular season (honestly they shouldn’t lose at all). I’m not taking NE going into Denver in the playoffs.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:17 PM
Plus Denver didn’t just lose it’s best scoring threat.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:17 PM
I’m real curious to see how Baltimore plays Denver in a few weeks.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:17 PM
Dallas has zero shot at the wildcard. Their best bet is the 4 seed.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:17 PM
*its DAMNIT
November 19th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
With Gronk and other injuries, that bye is super important for the Pats. Not sure they can get it though, because I think their best case is 11-5, and Den/Balt should get to 12.
Their road to the Superbowl might very well be hosting Indy/Pitt, then at Houston, at Den/Bal. Not gonna be easy, but this is definitely a year for a crappy seed to make the SB.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
Gonna guess “poorly.”
November 19th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
Are the tiebreakers really that much against Dallas? They are only one loss out of the 6th WC spot.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:25 PM
It’s generally a year for a crappy team to make it to the SB. The dilution of quality in this league is fucking depressing.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:28 PM
if anything, the last few years the first round bye hasn’t guaranteed anything other than an extra week of rest.
is it really all that bad for the patriots to have to work a bit harder, mentally, when approaching the playoffs? fighting tooth and nail to get the best seed possible and keeping the pedal to the metal heading into their first matchup?
/wishful thinking. this is probably the year two #1 seeds roll to the SB with easy victories.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:31 PM
I wouldn’t call it a dilution of quality in the league. It’s a dilution of quality in the top teams in the conferences, but a dispersion of quality to other teams in the leagues.
there’s not one complete team right now, each has their flaws, but top 4 in each league are pretty damn good.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:34 PM
The Saints have a lot of games left against teams in front of them for a WC, though. They make the playoffs and Brees has to be MVP.
Hahahahahahahaha!!! Excuse me, excuse me…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I mean, where do you get off on this nonsense? He leads the league in yardage and TDs, is on pace for 5,000 yards (and would be the ONLY player to throw for 5k 3 times), and has helped lead his team from an 0-4 hole, all without his head coach to “system QB” him so he knows what he’s doing. I mean, you’re hilarious with this MVP bullshit…
/narrative’d
November 19th, 2012 at 1:35 PM
Oh, and I’ll add: broke yet ANOTHER of the NFL’s supposedly “sacred” records that folks was damn near unbreakable, but whatever. You and I both know your MVP talk is a joke anyways…
/narrative’d AGAIN
November 19th, 2012 at 1:36 PM
im surprised chad henne didn’t grow a unibrow and call it a mustache.
/because he throws everything high, you see
November 19th, 2012 at 1:40 PM
Is this the passing touchdown streak? The one that Brady’s about to meet as well?
Saints fans are kinda obsessed with random records.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:42 PM
bobby hebert has an ongoing LSU Tiger Droppings thread that compiles these random record chases, in case you were wondering. and, also in case you were wondering, it’s typed in all caps.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:42 PM
Aren’t Carson Palmer and Matthew Stafford also on about the same yardage pace as Brees?
Also, the “helped them overcome an 0-4 start” kinda’ loses steam when you realize that he was the starting QB during said start.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:43 PM
You could say the same thing about Eli Manning’s 4th quarters. Hey-o.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:46 PM
For example: The Saints are winless in Super Bowls the NFL didn’t pay Peyton Manning ten million dollars to lose intentionally.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:49 PM
I know, right? It’s like imagining Saints fans getting over themselves.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:51 PM
I liked Saints fans a whole lot more in the 80′s when they wore bags over their head.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:51 PM
It’s not nearly as bad as it was in 03-06 when Carolina, Seattle and the Rex Grossman Bears were getting there for the NFC. Stick those teams in today’s NFC and they’re .500 tops.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:54 PM
Talk about dilution, imagine the Internet during the NFC’s run of 12 straight SBs from 84 to 96. People would’ve been saying shit like “Maybe they should just undo the merger.” Some of those teams were total dogs.
November 19th, 2012 at 2:10 PM
aren’t passing yards in today’s NFL basically like home runs in baseball in the 90′s/early 2000′s?
November 19th, 2012 at 2:12 PM
Cincinnati is a RB and a S away from potentially being a team that could possibly win a playoff game.
November 19th, 2012 at 2:13 PM
also, Hochuli was in rare form yesterday.
November 19th, 2012 at 2:24 PM
If you look at Peyton Manning with Indy… for what it is or isnt worth, all his playoff wins came in years they fought to the final week, and the losses when they put it on cruise control.
But yeah, I’m with you. But if round 1 would mean no Gronk (or SB Gronk) and round 2 would be with him at pretty full strength, I’d rather the bye.
November 19th, 2012 at 2:25 PM
Congrats Drew Brees… you are Sammy Sooser.
November 19th, 2012 at 2:29 PM
I really like BJGE, but he’s a 1.5 back. Not good enough to be a #1 star RB, but a little better than a 2. Was a good fit in New England where they didn’t run the ball anyway.
November 19th, 2012 at 2:32 PM
and Matt Stafford would probably be Luis Gonzalez. you just know that in like 20 years someone’s going to be on pro-football-reference (or whatever site) and say, “THAT guy threw for 5,000 yards?”
along those lines, any word on Chandler Jones? the Pats definitely can’t afford him missing any extended time.
November 19th, 2012 at 2:34 PM
Neil Lomax
November 19th, 2012 at 3:03 PM
Now that SD is essentially out of the running, watch ‘em start to light up the league. I’m hearing Johnny Mathis & Deniece Williams…
/Too Much, Too Little, Too Late‘d
November 19th, 2012 at 3:04 PM
You guys are the best. I’m gonna cherish these moments when I’m in the stands at Canton one day for the Brees enshrinement.
November 19th, 2012 at 3:13 PM
Are the tiebreakers really that much against Dallas? They are only one loss out of the 6th WC spot.
they are terrible, that’s the first thing. They won’t keep pace.
Second, they lost head to head to Seattle and Chicago. They play the Saints head to head later in the year. They’re barely beating bad teams, and have been blown out twice, by Seattle and Chicago.
They’re really not a factor for the wildcard.