Mitch Albom Weighed in On Trout vs. Cabrera, Annoyed Everyone Who Thinks
The Trout/Cabrera MVP debate became a flash point, hitting perfectly the divide between traditional baseball card stats and new wave metrics. The debate instantly became loud, unedifying and ugly.
Stat heads ridiculed with snark and numbers. Curmudgeons played up a false dialectic between “nerds with acronyms” and “people who like baseball.” No resolution was reached. Most voters fell into the latter camp. How was the common man supposed to make sense of this? Enter Mitch Albom.
Detroit’s favorite columnist infused his smug, yet folksy wisdom with ignorance and dashes of old-school baseball rhetoric. It was nonsensical and silly, but spoon-fed just the way his target audience likes it.
Today, every stat matters. There is no end to the appetite for categories — from OBP to OPS to WAR. I mean, OMG! The number of triples hit while wearing a certain-colored underwear is probably being measured as we speak.
So in areas such as “how many Cabrera home runs would have gone out in Angel Stadium of Anaheim” or “batting average when leading off an inning” or “Win Probability Added,” Trout had the edge. At least this is what we were told.
OMG! Indeed. Acronyms! Confusing right? Not really. This is not adding stats or adding superfluous stats. It is replacing stats that tell one little with stats that tell one a little bit more. Clarifying not obfuscating.
Batting average tells you how often a player hits. Since a walk accomplishes the task of a single, it’s more useful to know how often a player gets on base. Slugging percentage tells you what type of hits a player might get as opposed to just “hits.” Add the two together you get on base plus slugging. OPS. That’s more useful or prediction than batting average or underwear color.
That concept is simple. Moreover, it should not need to be explained, because that point has already diffused to the masses. Moneyball was published in 2003. Kevin Youkilis won two World Series with the Red Sox. It has been incorporated. Everyone who has watched baseball the 10 years grasps this. Those are no longer the acronyms that scare people. Where have you been, Mitch?
I mean, did you do the math? I didn’t. I like to actually see the sun once in a while.
Of course, why would you put that type of effort in? It’s not like you’re getting paid to write about this sport or anything…
Besides, if you live in Detroit, you didn’t need a slide rule. This was an easy choice. People here watched Cabrera, 29, tower above the game in 2012. Day after day, game after game, he was a Herculean force. Valuable? What other word was there? How many late-inning heroics? How many clutch hits? And he only missed one game all year.
Clutch hits are quantifiable. Make the argument. Herculean? We’re not sure. Towering above the game? He hit .004 higher than Mike Trout, he had one more home run than Josh Hamilton with 60 more at bats.
Why not also consider such intangibles as locker-room presence? Teammates love playing around — and around with — Miggy. He helps the room.
Because they are intangibles. They are not finite. We’ve found no way to value them for comparative purposes. They are imprecise and irrefutable. It’s not clear what they are and whether they have an effect. How many players liked playing with Michael Jordan on an every day basis? Would the Bulls have been better if they did?
Is Cabrera a better person than Trout? Is Mr. Clubhouse Presence of 2012 different from Mr. “Public Menace” in 2011 or Mr. Astoundingly Drunk During a Pennant Race in 2009?
How about his effect on pitchers? Nobody wanted the embarrassment of him slamming a pitch over the wall. The amount of effort pitchers expended on Cabrera or the guy batting ahead of him surely took its toll and affected the pitches other batters saw. Why not find a way to measure that?
The problem is “surely.” The notion of lineup protection makes sense. Evidence of it has not been found. It may not exist. It may exist in certain situations but be far less significant than the quality of player in the batters box. Just looking at the Tigers. By most measures, Cabrera hit worse in 2012 with Prince Fielder behind him than he did in 2010 and 2011 without him. The Tigers got league average production from the player in the No. 2 spot, hitting ahead of Cabrera and Fielder.
How about the value of a guy who could shift from first to third base — as Cabrera did this past season — to make room for Fielder? Ask manager Jim Leyland how valuable that is.
In the field, a below average third baseman is less valuable than someone who can play center field well. We can quantify that and translate into runs and win probability.
Those performing baseball Calculus should realize most are still struggling with the Algebra. Those paid to write about baseball should make some effort to learn about it. Everyone in Detroit will still think Miguel Cabrera should have won. Everyone passionate about this enjoys warm summer nights, beer and hot dogs. The award means very little. Let’s move on.

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November 16th, 2012 at 3:38 PM
Sportswriters fight change like old rich women fight aging.
November 16th, 2012 at 3:39 PM
False.
Women are making some advances on that front.
November 16th, 2012 at 3:43 PM
Reading Mitch Albom is like staring at Nicole Kidman’s face for 10 minutes.
November 16th, 2012 at 3:45 PM
What the hell is baseball doing announcing these things months after the season is over in the middle of NFL/college football. I dont even remember who won the world series, and you’re handing out regular season awards.
November 16th, 2012 at 3:45 PM
Mitch Albom almost makes me like Craig James. Almost.
November 16th, 2012 at 3:45 PM
I hate that Miguel Cabrera, by no fault of his own, has become the face of the wrong side of this argument.
November 16th, 2012 at 3:48 PM
fixed.
November 16th, 2012 at 3:49 PM
Women are making some advances on that front.
We’ve got a ways to go.
November 16th, 2012 at 3:49 PM
You work for a guy who is derisive as shit toward stat guys and mocked them for saying Trout should win.
So you’re saying he doesn’t think?
November 16th, 2012 at 3:49 PM
What the hell is baseball doing announcing these things months after the season is over in the middle of NFL/college football. I dont even remember who won the world series, and you’re handing out regular season awards.
I asked this yesterday in some baseball post. I forgot to check back for an answer. This probably shows my sum interest in baseball.
November 16th, 2012 at 3:53 PM
I think colleges should make statistics classes mandatory for all future sports journalism writers. Or writers in general.
November 16th, 2012 at 3:53 PM
You work for a guy who is derisive as shit toward stat guys and mocked them for saying Trout should win.
Untrue. He works under that guy. He works for USA Today.
November 16th, 2012 at 3:53 PM
Obligatory.
November 16th, 2012 at 3:53 PM
Or all students in general.
November 16th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
If I had voted, I would have voted for Trout. But, anyone who voted for Miggy is not an idiot either. They were both MVP worthy seasons in any season.
The only real moron in this situation is Sheldon Ocker of the Akron Beacon Journal. Why, you ask? Sheldon decided that Adrian Beltre deserved a 2nd place vote over Mike Trout. He is the only one of the 28 writers that flat out didn’t watch baseball. He couldn’t have.
I decided a month ago (that is when the season ended, right?) that either Miggy or Trout would make a fine MVP. But, I was going to rail on anyone that didn’t make them 1 AND 2.
Well, Sheldon. You’re the douche. Fitting really, since I’ve been reading your garbage on the Tribe for years and years. What an idiot.
November 16th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
I’d be fine with this. The lack of understanding of stats or general math in the past few months is pathetic.
November 16th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
You mean 0.4% or 0.004
November 16th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
I dont even remember who won the world series, and you’re handing out regular season awards.
Is this a baseball only problem, though? I feel like all sports awards other than the Heisman are announced way later than they should be.
November 16th, 2012 at 3:59 PM
Did he write an article justifying it? The old “make unjustifiable vote to make it easy to churn out a trolling article supporting it” trick is a staple of a dying medium.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:00 PM
I didn’t read the post (obviously) but based on the headline I thought he was saying that most people who voted for Cabrera can make a reasonable argument in favor of it, and they would be annoyed by Albom’s piece too. Not that TBL has any interest in making reasonable arguments about anything. So, in conclusion, I agree with what you’ve said.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:05 PM
Well, Sheldon. You’re the douche. Fitting really, since I’ve been reading your garbage on the Tribe for years and years. What an idiot.
Self deprecation – good job, good effort.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:09 PM
In that photo, that sweatshirt he’s wearing was stolen from either Billy Crystal or Gregory Hines on the set of Running Scared.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:09 PM
Stat guys carry this air of being revolutionaries based on supporting this new aged measurement of player worth. There are some good new stats out there. OPS is legit. I happen to think WAR is some bullshit. It doesn’t mean I can’t “think”, it just means I don’t believe in the value given to a nonsensical stat. I’ve never seen a bum hit for .340, so you’ll have to give a better explaination as to why BA doesn’t mean anything other than the support of some new stat. I’ve never seen a bum drive in 150 runs, so a better explaination than “luck” has to be provided as to why RBI’s are worthless.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:11 PM
Fuck OPS.
This was pretty well done, Duffy. I don’t have a problem with people making a case for Cabrera. I don’t even have a problem with people voting for Cabrera as a ‘lifetime achievement’ award, but just be honest with why you are doing it. But to come up with a forced defense because that’s the town you work in is terrible.
RBI = Time of Possession. It’s not a perfect predictor of success or skill, but it’s better than a coin flip, and absolutely has value in determining good hitters (in absence of other stats). Or course we have other stats, but I still think the Triple Crown is cool. But any argument I make for OR against Trout, starts with acknowledging that most objective metrics favor Trout.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:12 PM
I saw Freddy Sanchez hit .344 one season.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Nothing. I’m hoping someone calls him on it and it gets published. That guy is stealing money.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:15 PM
You have to be a good hitter to hit 150 RBIs. The problem is there are so many context-dependent factors at play with that stat you can’t say definitively whether you were better at it than someone who drove in 135 or worse than someone who drove in 165. It’s not useful for comparison.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:15 PM
I like this, and it touches on what I said. If you went through history and gave the MVP to everyone who ever got a Triple Crown, it almost always (this year being the first time in >100 years it didn’t) goes to the hitter with the best WAR. I really don’t care for OPS, because I think WPA/RE24 are better and have actual meaning. While I don’t really like WAR either, I can recognize it has some merit, but that doesn’t mean MVP needs to go to the player with the best WAR.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:16 PM
It’s almost like we need a stat that is based upon comparing a player to another in their place. Got anything like that? NERD?
November 16th, 2012 at 4:17 PM
Fuck OPS.
Huh? It’s crude, but it’s still a more effective measurement of a player’s worth than batting average or the eye test. How did we suddenly arrive at “fuck OPS”? Are you trying to be hipsterish and hate a stat before others do?
November 16th, 2012 at 4:17 PM
RBI probably puts hitter success in the context of team success, so it actually is probably a lot more useful in comparison for MVP (by most people’s standards) than you would think.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:18 PM
THey had to choose the best player from like one of 140-200 candidates. It is perfectly reasonable that 1-3 players had a year of consideration. The only fools in the debate here are those namecalling or claiming absolute certainty. There’s tremendous value in being the best all-around hitter or a tremendous all-around talent. Their value also lies in scarcity. Way too many factors for mathematical absolutism IMO.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:18 PM
Did you already forget my first day here? It got sidetracked by the discussion of what WAR meant, but I’ve always disliked OPS, just out of pure mathematical philosophy… it has no real-life meaning. At least WAR tries to.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:21 PM
Did you already forget my first day here? It got sidetracked by the discussion of what WAR meant, but I’ve always disliked OPS, just out of pure mathematical philosophy… it has no real-life meaning. At least WAR tries to.
No I didn’t forget and I apologized for that douchebaggery a long time ago. But OPS is not completely worthless. Saves are completely worthless. OPS has it’s place.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:22 PM
The crudeness is what I don’t like.
But OPS does have a big flaw, in that I (think) it undervalues walks. I’ll have to run the math again, but I just have a general distaste for it. While acknowledging it as a fairly accurate tool in differentiating two offensive players.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:23 PM
Never said it was worthless… just that I don’t like it, I don’t think it’s elegant, and I think there are better ways to quantify a combined ability to hit for power and avoid outs.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:24 PM
You seem like you’re starting to hedge a bit there, WWoS.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:24 PM
the NBA gives out the MVP sometime after the first round of the playoffs, which leads to some humorous situations.
at the same time, RBIs are not very useful for comparing one player to another. unless you happen to think Juan Gonzalez was better than Rickey Henderson.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:25 PM
I’ve never seen a bum hit for .340
In 1977, Youngblood hit .350
November 16th, 2012 at 4:25 PM
Hey, guys, I… Oh, I’ll leave you two alone.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:25 PM
OPS is good for the TV broadcast. What it isn’t good for is to compare players. Saves are useless and need to be eliminated. Ditto to pitcher wins.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:26 PM
And I never implied that OPS is perfect. But it’s an easily accessible and quick to find stat that very roughly equates the degree to which a player is helping his team offensively. I don’t think it takes being caught stealing either, so I acknowledge it’s flaws. But I still think “Fuck OPS” is a bit strong. Save that hate for things that deserve it like pitcher wins and saves.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:27 PM
What it isn’t good for is to compare players.
No argument here.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:27 PM
/Lisk
And one of my favorite Lisk pieces ever.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:28 PM
Huh… how is OPS not good to compare players? And what is, that is an easily accessible stat?
November 16th, 2012 at 4:29 PM
Goddamnit, why you gotta make me defend OPS?
/fuck OPS
November 16th, 2012 at 4:30 PM
Goddamnit, why you gotta make me defend OPS?
My plan is coming to fruition!
Well if it undervalues walks, as you said, and if it doesn’t account for things like being caught stealing then OPS could potentially skew any sort of player comparison using it.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:31 PM
link?
November 16th, 2012 at 4:33 PM
I did the math… it undervalues walks if you replace walks with singles. But if you replace walks with the ratio of hits/outs based on BABIP, it values walks a lot. It all depends if you can see stats at the end of the year and say BBs could have been singles, or could have been .3 singles. And I don’t think you can say that either way in retrospect.
The Lisk piece.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:33 PM
JOEL Youngblood?
November 16th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
Because it doesn’t weigh park factors. You can compare players using OPS+, but that’s still OPS. I would much rather use wRC+ to compare players.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
That was painful
November 16th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
WWoS has bed sheets that have the pattern of an Excel spreadsheet on them
November 16th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
It was on a Sunday evening in August, so it wasn’t read much, but was just a really cool exercise in thinking about what stats really mean and what value they have.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
This is everything you need to know about the false bravado and growing, well-deserved irrelevancy of so much print sportswriting: Mitch Albom – who’d play Frankie Valli in a dwarf revue of Jersey Boys – sees himself on the better side of the jocks/nerds faultline he still projects on the world.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:38 PM
WWoS has bed sheets that have the pattern of an Excel spreadsheet on them
And they’re never clean.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:38 PM
Tim Ryan has Ziggy sheets.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:38 PM
Actually, Joel Youngblood did that in strike shortened 1981.
In related news, I had this Joel Youngblood baseball card growing up.
I also think that referencing Joel Youngblood on a sports blog in 2012 on a Friday afternoon means it’s Miller time.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:38 PM
Nice job.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:39 PM
I did the math… it undervalues walks if you replace walks with singles. But if you replace walks with the ratio of hits/outs based on BABIP, it values walks a lot. It all depends if you can see stats at the end of the year and say BBs could have been singles, or could have been .3 singles. And I don’t think you can say that either way in retrospect.
I don’t think we disagree, but I’m just willing to be more pragmatic about the existence of OPS than you are. It’s ok, we all have our peccadilloes. I can’t stand people who take liberties with other people’s names.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:40 PM
Didnt Bill James do that thing that a walk is worth like .71 of a single?
November 16th, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Jeff Francoeur had 103 RBIs in ’06 with a 87 OPS+. That guy’s a certified bum.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:41 PM
ha yeah, wrong season on that. Sorry for that. Youngblood pulled off that 2 alternate teams in a day. bit. Legend.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:42 PM
The 83 fleer project is one of my favorite things. He has done some insane work on that. He’s been nice enough to trade emails with me on occasion. Terrific guy.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:45 PM
Jeff Francoeur had 103 RBIs in ’06 with a 87 OPS+. That guy’s a certified bum.
You might want to read up on this guy and realize your statement is patently false.
November 16th, 2012 at 4:49 PM
explain.
November 16th, 2012 at 5:01 PM
KC’s Jeff Francoeur makes great throw — $100 into stands
November 16th, 2012 at 5:02 PM
Video: Jeff Francoeur steals popcorn from fan
November 16th, 2012 at 5:03 PM
Royals’ Jeff Francoeur delivers pizza to A’s fans
November 16th, 2012 at 5:06 PM
If you think Cabrera should have won, then you think Josh Hamilton, Justin Verlander and dozens of players should have bearing on who is more valuable between Trout and Cabrera.
This would make you illogical.
This really is logic versus gut/emotion.
Nothing against Cabrera or his season, really.
November 16th, 2012 at 5:08 PM
What a smug, dumbo eared dickbag Albom is. If Trout played in Detroit he’d think Trout is the MVP.
November 16th, 2012 at 7:20 PM
Meanwhile, we still don’t know WTF is up with his ears?!?!
November 16th, 2012 at 8:27 PM
I think most of the commenters are missing the main point: Mitch Albom sucks.
As to the Trout/Cabrera debate: yeah, Trout should’ve won. He didn’t. Old white baseball writers don’t understand evaluating players. I’m not shocked. Time to move on.
As to the timing of the announcement of these awards, I’m pretty sure this comes up every year on this site. No one seems to have a good answer. I don’t think anyone would particularly be against the BBWAA announcing the awards during the offday between the regular season and playoffs.
November 17th, 2012 at 8:30 AM
I’m a little sad I missed this yesterday.