NFL Post Game Handshakes, Week 10: Quarterback Headaches, Rams Fake Punt Craziness, and the Giants are Right Where They Want to Be Again
This week’s Post-Game Handshakes involve a few slaps to the face to check you for a concussion, sort of like second hand smoke. In addition, the Colts are running away from the pack for a playoff spot, John Harbaugh wants all your points, and all of you thought the Giants were the best team in the league just four weeks ago, and I have the proof. Good job, good effort.
Concussions Knocked Three Starting Quarterbacks Out Late Yesterday, and Why That’s A Good Thing:
Four games were played after 4 pm yesterday. Three of the eight starting quarterbacks were knocked out of the game with head injuries, starting with Michael Vick, then right after that Alex Smith, followed by Jay Cutler on this close play that was penalized as an illegal forward pass and unnecessary roughness.
So some will point to that many quarterbacks in a short window of time as a bad sign. Unless you live under a rock and don’t realize that this can be a brutal game, though, I don’t see how that is the take away. As recently as five years ago, and certainly for much of this game’s history, there is a good chance that at least one of these guys would have finished out the game, subject to making decisions while concussed that would have otherwise led the team to pull them. All of them, I’m sure, wanted to keep playing.
It took one more play for Michael Vick, Alex Smith was out right away (played out the offensive series then was removed), and Cutler played a few more offensive snaps before the end of the half, when the Bears had almost five minutes to evaluate during the review of that play. Going forward, we’ll probably get to a point where not only do we have reviews for things like challenges, but somebody will be responsible for monitoring in real time hits like Cutler’s. The presumption would be that type of contact resulted in a concussion, and the player would have to clear that presumption by passing a test right away.
Even though there were three prominent injuries yesterday, and quarterbacks are more likely to be removed for head injuries now, injuries at the quarterback position are way down. We’ve only had three teams actually start multiple quarterbacks this year as we exit week 10 (Arizona, Kansas City, and Tennessee).
Only 36 quarterbacks had thrown 20+ passes through week 9 (Henne in relief of Gabbert was the only non-starter). Some of that is because of young quarterbacks starting right away and not moving into the lineup a few weeks in, most of it, though, is injuries. Compare that to the previous four years, where the average number of quarterbacks at the same point is 44.25. A decade ago, it was 48 quarterbacks. In 1992, it was 45, at a time when there were only 28 teams (1.6 per team). The difference between 36 and 44 or 48 may not sound like a lot, but it means at least a third of the starters were missing a game in past years compared to this one.
New York Jets, where train wrecks have resulted in smaller cleanups: That is all. Hey, at least Tebow went 3 for 3, and throws like Golden Tate (who has a perfect passer rating, haters!), thus providing material for the five pictures of Tim Tebow. Positive spin.
The Rams with all your fake punts: In the 24-24 tie against the Rams dialed up two successful fake punts. The first came right before the end of the first half, up by a touchdown and punting out of their own end zone. Johnny Hekker read the play and threw a pass to the wide open gunner on 4th and 4, when the guy covering blitzed for a punt block. This wouldn’t be a fake you would call ahead of time, it was an adjustment based on what the 49ers did. What chances would you have to have that a punter could complete a pass to a wide open receiver 10 yards downfield? I ran the numbers, and the break even point for going for it rather than punting there is 60%, given the time remaining and score. Hekker was a backup quarterback in college, so I think his chances were better than that.
The second one came down by 4 with 5:23 left in the game, at their own 33. This was a called fake, and brilliant. Hekker faked a reverse handoff and hit the backside receiver. The Rams scored to take the lead, but alas the 49ers tied it, and it remained tied.
Are we all non-believers in the Giants again? They probably like that: Just one month ago, the Giants went into San Francisco and destroyed the 49ers. I ran a poll in this column asking who the best team was, and the Giants at 4-2 ran away with the most votes.
Now, we are doubting them again, and Eli “dead arm” will be this week’s freak out point, and the Giants have us right where they want us. The only time they have been considered the best has been when they walked off the field twice in February. In the front runners role, they look beatable, and in the underdog role, they can beat anyone.
Indianapolis Colts, playoff contender: In case you haven’t checked the standings this morning, the Indianapolis Colts not only are in playoff position, but are two games clear of all other contenders for the last spot, after the Dolphins got destroyed at home and the Chargers played well in the fourth quarter again at Tampa. Only the Bengals stepped up with a win to join those teams at 4-5, while the Jets, Bills, and Raiders fell to 3-6 and basically confirmed what we already knew. They are out of it.
Basically, the Colts are in if they can get three more wins, unless you think the Chargers or Bengals have a 5 of 7 stretch in them (they could still get tiebreaker), or the Dolphins have a 6 of 7 (Colts have head to head tiebreaker). Indianapolis has the Titans and Bills at home, the Chiefs on the road among their last seven.
Andrew Luck would become the fourth first overall pick since the merger to play in the postseason his rookie year, and first quarterback, joining Jake Long (2008), Russell Maryland (1991) and Earl Campbell (1978). Maryland and Campbell were part of trades, though, so the 2008 Dolphins are the only one to go from worst to playoffs. In a year where we may not have any worst to firsts to win divisions, worst overall to playoffs will have to do.
John Harbaugh plays to win the game, by more than 30 points: Baltimore was up 41-17 with 5:40 left in the third quarter, when they ran a fake field goal right up the middle with the holder Sam Koch for the touchdown. “If they are going to give us an opportunity for four points that we normally wouldn’t have, then we feel like we are obligated to take advantage of that,” said John Harbaugh. For the record, I’m on Harbaugh’s side that you try to gain points here, and this isn’t high school or college since everyone is paid. Still, I suspect some trash talk by the Raiders DB on the previous play after denying the third down pass may have played a role in pushing the fake in.
Should Mike Smith have gone for two early in the fourth quarter? Several close decisions in the Atlanta-New Orleans game, which is what always seems to happen for Mike Smith when these two teams get together. When you are the last undefeated and take a close loss, though, the decisions become amplified.
Mark Bradley thinks that Smith should have gone for two after a touchdown with 13:32 left in the game to cut it to 28-23, in order to be within a field goal. Mike Smith reportedly said that you don’t look at the chart until 7 minutes left in the game, which makes me cringe, this is a close call that would have been second guessed either way. Smith’s right that there are multiple possessions left (if that is what he was implying) and so the states of being down 4 (and potentially down 7 with another opponent field goal, or up 3 with a touchdown by your team next) and down 3 vs down 5 are relatively similar.
The larger swing was the field goal on 4th and goal from the 2 with 9 minutes left, to cut it to 28-27. This isn’t a Marvin Lewis situation because there is still time remaining, but the Falcons were also the equivalent of a two point conversion away from adding 7 points. The decision cost the Falcons, and here’s why. Coaches tend to think downside (we’ll still be down 4, they can make it a two possession game with a touchdown, etc). The upside of being ahead at this stage with a 3 point lead is bigger than the downside. Plugging in the WP calculator at Advanced NFL Stats, the chances were as follows:
- 26% chance of winning if fail (New Orleans at own 2 up by 4)
- 40% chance of winning if kick field goal (assuming New Orleans starts at own 22)
- 68% chance of winning if score touchdown (assuming New Orleans starts at own 22)
As you can see, the size of the jump is double, so some quick math tells you that they should be going for it if they have a 1 in 3 chance (and Atlanta’s chances of making the equivalent of a two point conversion have to be better than that). If we assume a 50% chance, then the decision cost them a 7% chance of winning the game.
FOURTH AND ONE LOG
1. San Francisco went at the STL 48 in the second quarter, down 14-0. They converted and eventually scored a touchdown. The 49ers also went at the Rams’ 21, trailing by 10 early in the fourth quarter, and scored a touchdown two plays later.
2. Atlanta punted from NO 49, up 10-7 in first quarter. New Orleans went 90 yards for touchdown on the drive that followed. The final play of the game for Atlanta also came on 4th and 1, incomplete to Tony Gonzalez with 16 seconds left.
3. Trailing 21-17 in the middle of the third, Tampa Bay went for it at the 50, converted, and scored a touchdown to take the lead for good two plays later.
4. In the first quarter down 3-0, Chicago went at the Houston 43. Michael Bush picked up the first down, but fumbled the ball after an 11 yard gain.
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November 12th, 2012 at 12:11 PM
There better not be any knee jerk punter protection rules next year just because one punter was brutally murdered.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:16 PM
followed by Jay Cutler on this close play that was penalized as an illegal forward pass and unnecessary roughness.
Oh, it was necessary.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:16 PM
thank you for not mentioning that dreadful Lions performance.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:18 PM
Uh no he was not. He finished the drive and threw a touchdown, and then came out.
Your narrative of “it’s getting better” doesn’t exactly hold up here given the fact that each of the three QBs that suffered concussions kept playing, no matter for how long, after suffering a concussion.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:19 PM
Eagles will be drafting in the top 10 for at least the next 2-3 years. Garbage team.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:19 PM
I mean I get what you’re saying about them probably having finished the game in the past, but players continuing to play with a concussion is in no way a good thing.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:19 PM
The lack of any sort of urgency by the Rams at the close of the game, followed by some players admitting after the game that they thought there’d be another overtime.. is sad the right word? I still like a tie better than what CFB does.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:20 PM
In the PR world it’s called getting ahead of the story and the NFL would really appreciate if you would get on board.
/Goodell fines Mole
//He can do that?
///Goodell can do anything
November 12th, 2012 at 12:20 PM
thank you for not mentioning that dreadful Lions performance.
Vlad can only vent so much.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:20 PM
Until the other team promises to not try to come back, fuck it. I don’t think any teams that came back in miracle-style victories apologized because the other team played conservatively. If you are a fan whining about a team running up the score, you are seriously misplacing your anger.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:21 PM
Go Vikings.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:25 PM
What the fuck are you talking about?Settle down… Playing a series then being taken out is still better than playing a full game, and exposing yourself tot he risk that comes along with it. He said it’s “better”… not “perfect”. Ten years ago, those guys finish the whole game likely.November 12th, 2012 at 12:25 PM
Good thing Nick Foles got plenty of reps with the backups in pre-season, because he’ll be finishing out the year with many of them now starting.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:26 PM
These guys are going to die as young as the guys from ten years ago do, book it.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:27 PM
Not with that protection.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:27 PM
In broad daylight, no less. Oh, the humanity! “Y’all officials don’t like mah team! I’m outraged!”
November 12th, 2012 at 12:29 PM
Has Cris Collinsworth taken the Bears’ dick out of his mouth yet?
November 12th, 2012 at 12:29 PM
Looking forward to losing to the Redskins at least once, Tampa, Dallas, the Giants and the Bengals. 5-11 here we come!
November 12th, 2012 at 12:29 PM
Uh no he was not. He finished the drive and threw a touchdown, and then came out.
Your narrative of “it’s getting better” doesn’t exactly hold up here given the fact that each of the three QBs that suffered concussions kept playing, no matter for how long, after suffering a concussion.
My bad. I missed that because I was working on the Vick concussion post and while I was getting it ready, reports of Alex Smith getting knocked out, and by time I switched over he was done.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:30 PM
Nick Foles era will take a predictable turn when the Eagles go QB in the first round.
/although they need a line
November 12th, 2012 at 12:30 PM
The Pistons think the Lions were an embarrassment yesterday.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:30 PM
Also I think what Jason mentioned about the time elapsed where the Bears didn’t evaluate him is indicative that things aren’t getting as better as the NFL PR wing would like us to believe.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:31 PM
Agreed. I would prefer they go O-line in the first round this year. The D-line is ok…but they gotta cut Babin. He’s absolute garbage this year. Dude had 18 sacks this year and 1 so far this year.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:31 PM
Not your fault, I mean the video on NFL.com is titled “Alex Smith suffers concussion, leaves game.” They’ve gotta work that angle of player safety for Ray Lewis’s mom to feel safe!
November 12th, 2012 at 12:31 PM
Eagles need to sign a QB this week, right? I heard during the game yesterday that their emergency QB was Avant. Why the heck did they keep injured Edwards and release Kafka?
November 12th, 2012 at 12:32 PM
I won’t argue with that. But it is important to not confuse an increase in diagnosis capacity with an increase in incidence.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:33 PM
Oh absolutely agreed. Like in hockey people kept asking last year “why are so many players getting concussions?” Well, dipshits, because they were getting them before but until the league’s star got scrambled they could ignore it and not have to talk about it in public.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:34 PM
Here’s a great gif of Smith’s concussion hit by the way.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:34 PM
I’d also say that repeated microtrauma that linemen suffer is likely worse than a few ‘significant’ concussions. If you compared the brain of Matt Schaub vs. the brain of Matt Birk, whose has more damage?
November 12th, 2012 at 12:35 PM
Autism: Exhibit A?
November 12th, 2012 at 12:35 PM
I just want to know where the post is about Texas A&M having a team good enough to beat the Chiefs.
You let me down, Jason.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:37 PM
This is where I bite my tongue on an inappropriate comment… but suffice it to say that increased diagnosis of the ASD has certainly affected the published incidence rates used to drum up (necessary and valid) support for research.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:38 PM
Please let it be Jeff George, Jeff Garcia, or Steve DeBerg.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:38 PM
Who Dey.
Backdoor Wild Card playoff berth is still a possibility.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:38 PM
Like Boxers vs UFC fighters, UFC fighters get knocked the fuck out but boxers who take punches to the face for 10 rounds and stay conscious are much worse off.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:39 PM
Also I think what Jason mentioned about the time elapsed where the Bears didn’t evaluate him is indicative that things aren’t getting as better as the NFL PR wing would like us to believe.
If I was inartful, I don’t mean that delays are a good thing. In Cutler’s case, I think it is a good thing long term that we pay more attention to it. The Bears should have diagnosed him before halftime.
I can understand the Vick one not being noticed right away. I was watching and didn’t notice his head hitting the ground to cause a concussion. Cutler got rocked, helmet to helmet, severely. Smith got helmet to helmet and his head snapped forward. Those are cases where in the future, need to be given test right away.
It’s a good thing that injuries are down, and that they are, eventually, being removed from game though, even if not perfect. Teams and players don’t want them to come out.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:39 PM
Because it’s really important that Dion Lewis is activated and sitting on the bench doing nothing.
I’m just glad I wasn’t drinking during that game. I’d be hungover as shit right now.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:40 PM
Oh nah I didn’t mean you were saying it was a good thing, I just mean it’s another example of the coaching and medical staffs not being on top of their shit. Not quite to the level of McCoy last year, but still really really bad.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:40 PM
Someone tweeted that AJ Feeley was at the game yesterday. I fully expect him to be signed by the Eagles this afternoon.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:40 PM
Someone tweeted that AJ Feeley was at the game yesterday. I fully expect him to be signed by the Eagles this afternoon.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:41 PM
No, yes, no.
/Philly racism was rampant when Garcia led the Eagles to the playoffs in ’06
November 12th, 2012 at 12:42 PM
Agreed 100% and what I’m saying is I do not understand why the future you mentioned at the end is not the present.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:42 PM
He just always seems to land in the most awkward way possible. Looked like he dinged his elbow on the first drive. Even if he’s just falling and not getting tackled, it looks like it hurts.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:42 PM
Why not have a medical timeout and independent diagnosis? Is it that expensive? We know the NFL certainly wouldn’t mind throwing it to commercial a couple extra times a game.
/scores a TD
//commercial during review
///kicks extra points
////commercial
////kicks off
/////commercial
November 12th, 2012 at 12:43 PM
Because he was making poor decisions and bad throws… certainly seemed normal.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:44 PM
I believe I was still on the Houston wagon, sir. I expect an Oklahoma Joe’s sammich delivered to my home in dry ice as compensation for this assumption.
But for real, Houston’s real good. Their balance can’t be matched by any other team in the league.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:44 PM
Soccer is boring?
November 12th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
The Ginger Hammer is furiously scribbling this advice in blood in his notebook.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Their offensive line is clearly not run-blocking as well as last year. Hope that doesn’t cost them.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
fuck the Giants. fuck Eli. these last two games only convinced me more that they’re going to win another Supberbowl just to make me hate football.
Also, dunno how everyone else did, but the early games really surprised me, and rolled me. Had to sweep the late/evening games just to get back above .500 for the week.
/now 9-0 on Pats games for the year
November 12th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
Run defense will be Falcons undoings come play-off time. I knew Falcons weren’t going undefeated, but damn does it hurt to have the first loss against that shitty under water village.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
Giants are still a team that no one wants to see in the playoffs. Since the rest of their division has Jekyll and Hyde problems, it’s a safe assumption New York will be there to give somebody problems in the postseason.
John Harbaugh is a dick. Run up the score all you want, but the fake field goal was not necessary. If you’re up by that much, just go for it to run up the score.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:49 PM
I’ll take Vick on the Lions if he can convert 3rd downs.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:50 PM
I think it’s been discussed before, but it seems awfully easy to knock a helmet off in today’s NFL. I have no idea if this has any direct correlation to increased concussions or if it’s due to poorly designed helmets or players not wearing them properly. Just an observation.
Also, I sincerely hope Harbaugh’s decision to run a fake FG was directly related to Juselio Hanson trash talking Anquan Boldin on the previously play.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:53 PM
He can convert them into turnovers.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:55 PM
Homeboy that drilled Cutler had some interesting post-game comments: “We supposed to try and knock him out the game, right? That’s a good thing. I hit him in the chest. Wasn’t no helmet to helmet.”
I’d say they should check him for a concussion too but he’s probably just stupid.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:56 PM
John Harbaugh is lucky that Tom Cable is no longer coaching the raiders. Cable probably would have punched John Harbaugh in the face after the game.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Tom Cable likely would have incurred a heart attack chasing Harbaugh before this scenario ever played out.
November 12th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
Finally, what’s with Walter White’s slightly older, possibly monocle wearing, brandy-sipping brother in the home refinaning ad in the top right corner?
November 12th, 2012 at 12:59 PM
I don’t know what to think of the Bears. Even with Cutler, that offense worries me.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:04 PM
Though no longer rooting for the New Orleans National Football League squad, let me take this opportunity to say: haha, fuck you, Dirty Turds.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:04 PM
Whose blood is he using? Gregg Williams? Leftovers from the Salvadoran children killed to make his supple loafers? Or is it one of those $18.6 million “never-runs-out-of-blood” models he bought with the Redskins’ 2012 cap penalty?
November 12th, 2012 at 1:06 PM
Not panic time. They’re a team that has to win the turnover battle to win the game 9 times out of 10. Even coughing it up 4 times last night only cost them the game by 7 points. They’re still a good team that could beat any other NFL team… and probably lose to 30 of them as well. Hopefully Jay is OK and back for Week 12 (rather he sit against SF, just to be safe).
Bears have a flawed offense, for sure. But every NFL team is flawed.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
Mole sues Goodell for libel, Goodell turns everything over to Tagliabue to smooth it all out.
Truthier.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:08 PM
I have a few Saints fans friends on FB. Let’s just say they haven’t yet given up on a Superbowl run this year.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:09 PM
Dunno what you are talking about. The Patriots traded for a CB with a sketchy past, plugged him into the starting lineup, and rolled over the Bills easily.
/grrr
November 12th, 2012 at 1:10 PM
The 3 WR set highlights where the Giants miss Mario Manningham. The Giants have to come to the realization that the way they’re set up, balance on offense isn’t something they can achieve. Their running gane doesn’t scare anyone. It didn’t do it last year either.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:11 PM
I don’t understand how Dobbins got a flag on that hit on Cutler, given the call that it was an illegal forward pass. If it was in illegal forward pass, that means that by definition he has crossed the line of scrimmage and is thus considered a runner/ball carrier.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:13 PM
Lisk, a hypothetical for you. I was watching the end of the Saints/Falcons game yesterday with NO up 1 going for the TD. Had they scored the TD there instead of settling for the FG, what are your thoughts re: extra point vs. two-point conversion?
If the Saints score the TD and kick the XP they’re up 8. Falcons still have a chance. They go for the 2pt and they ice the game if successful. If NO fails, they’re still up 7 and there’s no chance Mike Smith (or any coach for that matter) goes for two there and risks the loss. Seems ultra low risk and ultra high reward to go for 2 there, but what do the numbers say?
November 12th, 2012 at 1:13 PM
Think they went with the “blow to the head/helmet-to-helmet contact” rationale on that one.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:15 PM
“Think they went with the “blow to the head/helmet-to-helmet contact” rationale on that one.”
But that doesn’t apply if the player is a runner/ball carrier. You can blast their heads in that situation. And given the penalty called on Cutler, he was by definition a ball carrier at that point.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:17 PM
We talked about this before and I don’t remember the conclusion… one thing to remember is that up 8, the worst case scenario still leaves you a 50-50 chance to stop a 2-pt conversion and win.
In general I prefer to delay going for two as long as possible. Chase Stuart from football prospectus wrote a piece about it, and just linked to this.
If you are down 15, let’s say, I understand why you’d go for two early, so you know what you need, but where I disagree with him is ONLY do it if you are going to onside kick… otherwise you play the game trying to predict scores, what if they score a FG, etc.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:19 PM
You realize he was still suspended this week, right?
November 12th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
He’s still a passer, albeit an illegal one. Your technicalities aside, the point is to protect the passer, not to protect anyone who hasn’t strayed a few inches over the line of scrimmage. The defender had no idea he was over the line, so there’s not much justification to let him off on a technicality.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:21 PM
But NFL coaching tendencies have to factor in decision making. You’re up 9, it’s over. You miss the 2pt and worse that happens is OT because the opposing coach isn’t going to go for two after scoring the typing TD (and even if he does that 50-50 chance still applies).
I’m generally in agreement about waiting to go for two as long as possible. But if you have the chance to go up two scores with three minutes to play and the worst possible failure outcome is a tie, I think you have to take the shot.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:22 PM
What WWoS said — he’s still a passer.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:22 PM
Sam Bradford purposely falling over and laying in the fetal position at the end of that game was putrid.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:22 PM
I actually thought he was off this week till I realized Sunday AM he wasn’t going to play. But I don’t think he’ll make a huge difference (I hope I’m wrong), and I’ve heard some mixed reports on coverage skills. Mostly, I just wish that just once the Pats would close the door on a team in the 4th quarter.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:24 PM
If you are ever up 9/10 on Jeff Fisher it’s a real safe place to be. He seemed to always get stuck wasting time going for a touchdown, instead of a FG/onside.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:24 PM
I thought it was a nice impression of the 49ers’ first quarter.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:25 PM
He doesn’t need coverage skills against the QBs in that division. They’ll throw it right to him.
/Fitztragic
November 12th, 2012 at 1:25 PM
Agree that 4th quarter defense has been putrid, but it sure would help if the offense did more than go 3 and out in a critical late game ‘put-away’ situation. Welker made sure to stay in the league lead in drops yesterday too.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:26 PM
I actually was referring to the offense. I think it was Seattle the had 2nd and 2 or something, and got fancy, and ended up losing the game.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:28 PM
I think out of everything shitty yesterday, I was most frustrated with what happened after Ridley got them a first and goal at around 3 minutes left. They proceed to give the Bills free time by calling 3 straight passes and settling for a field goal.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:48 PM
Pretty soon, they’ll have to have 3 full offensive and 3 full defensive teams.
Each play, the whole team comes out and gets evaluated over the next two plays. The roster swells to 185 and Charlie Whitehurst actually gets playing time.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:49 PM
ban tackle football for anyone under 30
November 12th, 2012 at 1:51 PM
The defender had no idea he was over the line, so there’s not much justification to let him off on a technicality.
not sure if it’s been mentioned (i’m reading from the bottom up) but the defender actually said after the game it was cutler’s fault, that cutler moved into him
November 12th, 2012 at 1:56 PM
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Agreed. I’m not jumping off a bridge here. I just would like to see them win a game because of the offense. Would give me more faith.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:57 PM
Homeboy that drilled Cutler had some interesting post-game comments: “We supposed to try and knock him out the game, right? That’s a good thing. I hit him in the chest. Wasn’t no helmet to helmet.”
odds on a fine/suspension? real good
/no math wiz
November 12th, 2012 at 1:59 PM
angry, part of the problem is tice. we forget that this is the third OC in what four years? it was a M. Bush kind of night last night, and he had single digit carries. and the martz effect lives on. no greg olson bc of martz and wouldn;t he look good in bears blue right now? kellen davis should have been cut before the clock ran out
November 12th, 2012 at 1:59 PM
“What WWoS said — he’s still a passer.”
So, if he’s 5 yards past the line of scrimmage and throws a pass and gets blasted, what then? I don’t think it’s a “technicality” – it’s a fact. He was past the LOS, thus no longer a passer. You guys and your pussy assed Cutler love.
November 12th, 2012 at 2:08 PM
I’m predicting $50,000, based on the fine after the Schaub decapitation.
November 12th, 2012 at 3:36 PM
So, if he’s 5 yards past the line of scrimmage and throws a pass and gets blasted, what then? I don’t think it’s a “technicality” – it’s a fact. He was past the LOS, thus no longer a passer. You guys and your pussy assed Cutler love.
It’s a clear penalty by the rules. If he was in the act of throwing a pass or just after, he is defenseless, just like a receiver who has stepped out of bounds cannot legally catch a pass, but can be defenseless still by going up for one and getting blasted. There is no requirement that the pass be legal. Other rules penalize for that. You don’t get to hit him with the helmet into his while he is still in the process of throwing.
November 12th, 2012 at 3:37 PM
odds on a fine/suspension? real good
extremely good. He could have pulled up or at least not led with the helmet.
November 12th, 2012 at 3:40 PM
But from a pure advantage standpoint, they should try and murder the QB. It’s an offsetting penalty. You essentially get a free shot to try and take the QB out of the game. Having Cutler on the sidelines for the rest of the game is far more valuable than the five penalty yards the defense would gain.
Dirty? Yes. But its also smart.
November 12th, 2012 at 3:50 PM
Lisk, a hypothetical for you. I was watching the end of the Saints/Falcons game yesterday with NO up 1 going for the TD. Had they scored the TD there instead of settling for the FG, what are your thoughts re: extra point vs. two-point conversion?
If the Saints score the TD and kick the XP they’re up 8. Falcons still have a chance. They go for the 2pt and they ice the game if successful. If NO fails, they’re still up 7 and there’s no chance Mike Smith (or any coach for that matter) goes for two there and risks the loss. Seems ultra low risk and ultra high reward to go for 2 there, but what do the numbers say?
http://www.footballperspective.com/up-by-1-after-scoring-a-late-touchdown-should-teams-go-for-two/
Chase talked about it here and I generally agree with them. The Saints/Falcons might be an exception because both offenses are really good and the Saints D is bad.
November 12th, 2012 at 3:52 PM
But from a pure advantage standpoint, they should try and murder the QB. It’s an offsetting penalty. You essentially get a free shot to try and take the QB out of the game. Having Cutler on the sidelines for the rest of the game is far more valuable than the five penalty yards the defense would gain.
Dirty? Yes. But its also smart.
Which was interesting because most personal fouls are not offsetting with 5 yard penalties.