Nate Silver Nailed the Presidential Election, So Why Is No One Doing This in Sports?
Nate Silver looks to have gone 49 of 49 in projecting states in this year’s Presidential election, and called Florida “too close to call” and within the margin for a recount in his last projection before the election. Even that is right on, as we still await the final tally from Florida.
Leading up to the election, he was pilloried by many in attacks that made Murray Chass vs. Bloggers look sane. There were ad hominem attacks about his appearance or that claimed he was too effeminate. The guy that “unskewed” the polls by making them match what he believed would happen, and who took those shots, has now admitted he was kind of wrong.
Nate Silver is not the only one. There were plenty of analytical types who had Obama as a heavy favorite, even as pundits on television kept proclaiming it a tossup and some on the right were calling for a big victory the other way.
So why are analytical types not popping up left and right to nail sports results so much across the board? There are plenty of us who like to analyze things in baseball, or football, or basketball. No one can claim anywhere near the success of going nearly 99% over two elections, though.
Well, the difference is what we are measuring. Predicting the outcome of an election based on polling data is not the same as trying to predict an athletic contest before it occurs. When Nate Silver got involved in the SPI (Soccer Power Index) before the last World Cup, his results were not the same. It was a cool rating system to try to incorporate factors like looking at the best rosters, and performance in professional leagues. It still only barely outperformed the FIFA rankings in the final tourney results, and the best team by SPI went 33-13-18 compared with 34-12-18 for the FIFA rankings.
If we are going to try to draw some better analogies to sports, we have to look at what would happen if we knew some of the in-game results, and could then try to project outcome. In Silver’s case, he’s relying on the state polls over the last several months. He has his internal proprietary formulas for how to tweak and which ones to put the most weight on, but the basis is those polling numbers. They consistently showed Obama with a lead in key swing states that would decide the election.
If you showed me a snap shot sampling of the plays from a game before it occurred, and I was confident there was no fraud or manipulation to deceive me, I could do a much better job of predicting who would win the game. Football’s not even the best sport to use here, though, because I might miss THE key play, like a 90 yard interception return, that accounts for a huge amount of the outcome. There are no 90 yard interception returns in politics, unless a candidate gets legitimately raked at the polls because of comments that swing states that went strongly for their party otherwise (looking at you, Mourdock and Akin).
Basketball is probably a better one, where knowing the outcome of possessions, all of which have roughly the same value, matters. Let’s say you gave me a sampling of 30% of plays from a Bulls-Pistons game and I knew the Bulls “won” 54% of those plays. Even though it sounds like a close margin, I could probably project that it is more than a toss up that the Bulls won the game. Maybe there was some systematic bias in my sampling, and maybe I just got unlucky with what I sampled. If I get to take small sample slices over and over again, though, and they are generally consistent, I can be a little more confident I am going to get it right.
Another sports example that more accurately fits what is going on here, rather than comparing what Silver accomplished to predicting the outcomes of future games, is looking at punditry and prognostication for the NCAA tournament selections. Joe Lunardi went 67 for 68 in projecting the field last year, and I broke down why that wasn’t as impressive as it sounds.
Just like elections, those at-large spots are like up or down votes on the candidates. Most of them are obvious. There are a few that are uncertain. Now, if I could actually sample some of the people voting on those spots, my predictions would be even better with that information.
The difference, though, is that the political arena has a lot of people braying about intangibles and gut feelings, and those like Silver stand out more. At least when it comes to the basketball selections, everyone knows about the RPI, even if they don’t believe in it. No one is predicting a team will make it just because they think the electorate is blowing one way or another like the wind without proof. Nate Silver did a great job, but he stands out even more because of the competition.
In sports, there are bounces, luck factors, and huge swings, and we don’t have any polling telling us how the plays will likely vote. In politics, if you are getting good data, the luck factors aren’t as big as those networks that want us to tune in want us to believe.
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November 7th, 2012 at 3:42 PM
Joe Lunardi went 67 for 68 in projecting the field last year, and I broke down why that wasn’t as impressive as it sounds.
Joe Lunardi is the worst. That isn’t impressive at all. He puts out a bracket every week. If he got his December bracket correct, then I’d be impressed.
November 7th, 2012 at 3:43 PM
The dumbass has one out now. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
November 7th, 2012 at 3:45 PM
awesome pic of Lunardi.
November 7th, 2012 at 3:45 PM
his hands look weird in that photo
November 7th, 2012 at 3:48 PM
Easy path for OSU to the Final Four. I like it!
November 7th, 2012 at 3:48 PM
I’m not into politics, in fact I kind of dislike it, but I thought it was assumed that Obama would win. Whenever I heard otherwise, I just thought it was either Romney’s campaign trying to trick undecidedes that the bandwagon was leaving the station, or the media trying to keep it close for ratings.
November 7th, 2012 at 3:49 PM
“I’m not sure what to do with my hands.”
November 7th, 2012 at 3:49 PM
//Books ticket to Washington DC
November 7th, 2012 at 3:50 PM
Bit of both.
November 7th, 2012 at 3:51 PM
Exactly, so why is this guy being lauded so much?
November 7th, 2012 at 3:51 PM
Next year I will predict all 44 players who make the cut at the Masters.
November 7th, 2012 at 3:52 PM
Also, Lisk, I think it’s time we talked to you about your picture captioning, or lack there of.
November 7th, 2012 at 3:53 PM
Why do they even bother?
November 7th, 2012 at 3:54 PM
In part because he was being criticized so much in the last few weeks by idiots. I like Silver but he does get more credit than he deserves since a) there were other people doing the exact same thing and showing the same results, and b) the people doing the polls are doing most of the work. He is good at explaining how his shit works though.
November 7th, 2012 at 3:55 PM
I think everyone realized Obama was going to be reelected early and the media was scared about being unable to report the campaign “horse race” style breathlessly keeping viewers/readers tuned in. After the first debate I thought the media ran with the idea of Mitt as a possible winner and that narrative lasted until amount Monday.
Why pundits dislike Silver, ruins their ability to turn the election into a narrative of alleged gaffes, swings and trends which they purport to be “game changers” or whatever.
November 7th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
I hope people realize Silver is the same Lunardi. Predicting the winner of a presidential election is very easy and tons of people do it accurately. Silver’s innovation is imply publicizing it. There is nothing methodologically complicated or innovative about his analysis.
November 7th, 2012 at 3:57 PM
Exactly, so why is this guy being lauded so much?
He nailed almost every single state prediction. It’s not that he correctly predicted that Obama would be reelected it’s that he accurately predicted which states would go for Obama and which would go for Romney. That is not as easy as it sounds.
November 7th, 2012 at 3:57 PM
All these people saying it’s easy…show me all of these people predicting it with the accuracy that Silver did.
November 7th, 2012 at 3:57 PM
Why do they even bother?
State laws generally require that all valid ballots be counted and certified by the Secretary of State, even if one side has already conceded.
November 7th, 2012 at 3:58 PM
Because if they were and it was a strong model (for the obvious reasons that it wouldn’t be) troglodytes like your boss would clown on them non stop for being nerds?
November 7th, 2012 at 4:00 PM
Huh.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
Huh.
And? I do enjoy that you seem to get great pleasure out of partial statements/comments.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
I don’t know if I would say effeminate, but he definitely looks like he’s the kind of person who likes a band until you do, then says that “they’ve changed since they sold out.”
November 7th, 2012 at 4:01 PM
Agreed RCP got Florida wrong and Silver didn’t.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:02 PM
Whatever man, Stevie Nicks fucking ruined Fleetwood Mac.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:03 PM
Here’s one. Here’s another.
I just linked to the RCP which hit 49 of 50 and is simply a plain average of all the polls.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:05 PM
He’s referring to this.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:05 PM
Pre-election: Silver is a hack!!!!!!1
post-election: Anyone could have done what he did
November 7th, 2012 at 4:05 PM
Is RCP the one that had California for Bush in 2000?
November 7th, 2012 at 4:07 PM
I know, I read the Gawker takedown of that. I was just inferring that he looks like a hipster, which I would argue is worse than being called effeminate.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:07 PM
Nate Silver is a rare breed genius!
November 7th, 2012 at 4:07 PM
Ah, gotcha. Agreed hipsters are the worst.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:08 PM
I’m more impressed by the guy who hit the 10 and 11 team parlays
November 7th, 2012 at 4:08 PM
I just drink the cheapest I swear.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:08 PM
Pretty crazy that California went for Bush 1 in ’88. Republicans just giving away 55 every election now.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:10 PM
So 4 people/companies. Seems like a nice niche market to be in.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:11 PM
I don’t get this shitting on Silver after he nailed everything. He’s been pretty humble about it too. What did you want him to do?
People around here got upset at the idiots who said Silver methodology was flawed and he was wrong.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:12 PM
Nate Silver is a rare breed genius!
Nobody was saying this though. They were calling people who don’t understand how statistics work knuckle dragging neanderthals.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Pre-election: Silver is a hack!!!!!!1
post-election: Anyone could have done what he did
Standard practice, Kaiser. Demonize the other side at the onset. If they win or accomplish whatever they sought to achieve, then immediately undercut and act like it was going to happen anyway and that YOU’RE the idiot for paying so much attention and putting so much stock in these things in the first place.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Silver isn’t the only one who does it, though he does present it in the best and most accessible fashion in my opinion.
The reason that I like his and others approach of looking at all the data and looking at historical trends is this: the day before the election CNN’s lead article is “final national poll, dead heat!” Bullshit. The focus on national polls – and more importantly, just ONE national poll per outlet – to gauge the election is so simplistic and stupid and creates a completely different narrative.
Yes Silver is not the only one who approaches it the way he does. But this way hasn’t supplanted the “horserace” friendly approach the MSM takes, and that’s infuriating.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:13 PM
I’d be more impressed if he could recite all 50 state capitals.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:15 PM
I’d be more impressed if he could recite all 50 state capitals.
I used to be able to do this due mainly to my third grade teacher.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:15 PM
Agreed.
Comment #15 sums this up nicely.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:15 PM
Montpelier, VT.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:17 PM
Augusta, Maine.
/bet you fucks thought it was Bangor, didn’t you.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:17 PM
I used to be able to do this due mainly to my third grade teacher.
I had a jackass social studies teacher my Freshman year in high school.. made every student memorize every country and capital in AFRICA.
True story: the guy got busted for jerking it on a web cam for some police officer posing as a 14 year old girl. (He coached the girls track team) He’s now a registered sex offender.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:18 PM
I think I could.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:18 PM
Also, I think Silver did do a better job (reading the RCP predictions)…they list 11 “toss up” states. Silver had one…Florida. He had PA as 98.6% Obama, MI at 99.3%, WI at 96.7%…
He shat and then got off the pot. RCP hedged like a TBL Jets prediction.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:19 PM
I’d be more impressed if he could recite all 50 state capitals.
I think I could.
I think I’d come pretty close too. 8 years ago I know I could.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:19 PM
Frankfort always gets me.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:19 PM
mobilehoma city
November 7th, 2012 at 4:19 PM
My junior year history teacher made us memorize the country and capitals for Africa and the former Soviet Union, and all major rivers. Then had to fill them in on a map.
And spell them correctly.
FUCK HIM
November 7th, 2012 at 4:20 PM
Ok, I probably would’ve gotten this one wrong.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:20 PM
montgomery juneau phoenix little rock sacramento denver hartford dover tallahassee atlanta honolulu boise springfield indianapolis des moines topeka frankfort baton rouge augusta annapolis boston lansing st paul jackson jefferson city helena lincoln carson city concord trenton santa fe albany raleigh bismarck columbus oklahoma city salem harrisburg providence columbia pierre nashville austin salt lake city montpelier richmond olympia charleston madison cheyenne
That’s in alphabetical order by state, thanks elementary school.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:20 PM
But then you kill it at Sporcle…and it’s all worth it.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:21 PM
Frankfort always gets me.
Worst state capital? It’s in the middle of nowhere in Kentucky in a town of 25,000.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:21 PM
It’s not that hard to predict State by State. You take out the obvious ones like NY, CA, TX, the deep south, etc, that takes out half the states. The election this year came down to about 4 or 5 states. So his accurate measurement is getting 5 states right, which is alot easier to do than getting 50.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:21 PM
Parlay with Obama, 5 heavily favorite Senators, and Colorado 64 paid out 3-2, so anyone that wanted to make a quick buck last night could’ve ran to the bank (except throwing in the North Dakota republican that lost)
November 7th, 2012 at 4:22 PM
Pierre has like 14,000 and it’s in South Dakota so by definition is in the middle of nowhere.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:22 PM
Used to be able to get perfect scores 1/3 in this, those brains cells are gone.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:23 PM
I am also talking about the accuracy within each state…not just getting the states right.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:23 PM
Pierre has like 14,000 and it’s in South Dakota so by definition is in the middle of nowhere.
Well yeah… the assessment was based on there actually being cities in Kentucky that are actually located off interstates… and have airports.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:23 PM
**applauds**
November 7th, 2012 at 4:23 PM
I always wanted to travel to Des Moines as a kid…I think I’ll abandon that dream.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:24 PM
RCP literally cannot “hedge.” They are simply doing a simple average of the state/national polls.
That’s it.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:24 PM
There are?
November 7th, 2012 at 4:24 PM
Jefferson City Missouri is pretty bad too.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:24 PM
Outstanding time sink geography game.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:25 PM
I always wanted to travel to Des Moines as a kid…I think I’ll abandon that dream.
I was shocked that Des Moines had some semblance of a skyline. Did not picture it that way at all.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:26 PM
So Dick Morris blames bipartisanship for Romney losing. No wonder Republicans keep losing POTUS elections.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:28 PM
The “hedge” comment was just forcing a TBL/Jets joke. My point was that Silver’s model didn’t list these states as “Toss Ups”…his model showed stronger confidence.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:29 PM
Pierre has like 14,000 and it’s in South Dakota so by definition is in the middle of nowhere.
South Dakota also has something like 800,000 residents total and until about 10 years ago the tallest building in the state was a grain elevator.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:30 PM
Level 6
Score: 6778
/time to go play in the snow
November 7th, 2012 at 4:30 PM
Well, it’s usually buried under 1,000 feet of snow.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:31 PM
Bismarck
Pierre
November 7th, 2012 at 4:31 PM
So Dick Morris blames bipartisanship for Romney losing. No wonder Republicans keep losing POTUS elections.
He said that the storm “made all the difference in the world”. This is a sign to me that either A) he refuses to admit that his Electoral College was based on wishful thinking or B) he’s a complete and total moron.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:31 PM
I don’t think I’ve gotten above ten, I think at seven or eight the borders disappear and it gets a LOT harder.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:36 PM
Level 6 6221
I fucked up Winnipeg badly, motherfuck.
/First time was a shit show though did not make it past level 2
November 7th, 2012 at 4:39 PM
Suckramento
November 7th, 2012 at 4:39 PM
Borders disappeared at 7…getting frustrated without knowing where the fuck cities are in Australia…
Clicked on a random spot in Australia in frustration…they were looking for Austria….level 8 denied.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:39 PM
Still better to get the US Map than the African one on Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:42 PM
The “hedge” comment was just forcing a TBL/Jets joke. My point was that Silver’s model didn’t list these states as “Toss Ups”…his model showed stronger confidence.
MikeNYC makes all kinds of $$$ betting on the “Toss Ups”, they let you wait until after the game is over to pick who won
November 7th, 2012 at 4:44 PM
ms621 – Chris Matthews implied the same thing in regards to the storm playing a part in the election. Is he also a Moron?
November 7th, 2012 at 4:45 PM
Well looky here.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:46 PM
Cal grad/reporter I knew once wrote a story about how geographically illiterate Americans were, and to drive home his point wrote that many would name Sante Fe as the capital of N.M. when in fact it was Albuquerque.
Same dude did a feature on jazz vocalist Nancy Wilson and ran a picture of Heart vocalist Nancy Wilson with the story.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:46 PM
Can’t speak for ms621, but yes, he also is a moron.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:47 PM
ms621 – Chris Matthews implied the same thing in regards to the storm playing a part in the election. Is he also a Moron?
Yes. But I thought that was common knowledge.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:48 PM
It is.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:49 PM
sarah: mittens will be ok, don’t get so upset…
November 7th, 2012 at 4:51 PM
I see Watsonian and Hef0 are playing that map game too…
Level 9, 12k…may have peaked.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:55 PM
Hahahaha, yes.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:56 PM
Svalbard? Blow me.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:56 PM
Ty_Webb Clever. Mittens. That’s good. Did you tweet that out to your followers today? Or just post it on Facebook.
There is nothing crazy about suggeting that people voted for Obama after seeing the way he handled the storm. He was a leader. He was reassuring. He got one of his biggest detractors to say as much. There’s nothing insulting about suggesting that.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:58 PM
I saw Chris Matthews debate Bill Bennett earlier this year (David Gergen “moderated” which is to say he sat there and occasionally made gurgling noises). Bennett I thought was intelligent and funny but also testy and much quicker to use personal, biting remarks. Matthews is also quite intelligent and very well-spoken but like all TV talking heads he is enamored with the sound of his own voice and thinks any nugget that extrudes from his mouth is straight from the political gods. For every intelligent thing he says he supplements with two or three assertions that are completely baseless.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:58 PM
sarah – what are your thoughts on this and this? I’ll hang up and listen.
November 7th, 2012 at 5:00 PM
There is nothing crazy about suggeting that people voted for Obama after seeing the way he handled the storm. He was a leader. He was reassuring. He got one of his biggest detractors to say as much. There’s nothing insulting about suggesting that.
It’s not insulting but it ignores the fact that numerous studies have shown that the vast majority of individuals make up their minds about who and what they are voting for several weeks before Election Day.
November 7th, 2012 at 5:01 PM
I seem to remember seeing Chris Matthews on Jeopardy getting his ass handed to him. Not by HTown though (/no coop).
November 7th, 2012 at 5:01 PM
This is a true story about Chris Matthews. One time he was sitting on a bench outside where I worked. He was yelling into the phone, swearing.
What was interesting about the call wasn’t that he was angry but that he was sitting on a bench on Nantucket. I always appreciate seeing him stick up for the little people while he hangs out on Nantucket
November 7th, 2012 at 5:03 PM
1000 times this.
Sure righties, it was the storm. It was a dumb electorate. It was Chris Christie. It was skewed polls. It was voter fraud. It was a poor candidate. It was biased media coverage. Whatever it takes to convince yourself that its not your ideas and positions that are terrible, it’s the American electorate.
November 7th, 2012 at 5:08 PM
There is nothing crazy about suggeting that people voted for Obama after seeing the way he handled the storm. He was a leader. He was reassuring. He got one of his biggest detractors to say as much. There’s nothing insulting about suggesting that.
I would wager that <1% voted for Obama for that reason
November 7th, 2012 at 5:09 PM
mizerle06 is sarah phillips
I appreciate the questions.
1. Generally, I’m against regulating business.
2. Here’s a quote from the article: “”We’re doing okay, but we could do better. We would receive more benefits, a lot more financial help.”
November 7th, 2012 at 5:09 PM
This is a true story about Chris Matthews. One time he was sitting on a bench outside where I worked. He was yelling into the phone, swearing.
What was interesting about the call wasn’t that he was angry but that he was sitting on a bench on Nantucket. I always appreciate seeing him stick up for the little people while he hangs out on Nantucket
sarahlerange = Mrs. MikeNYC
November 7th, 2012 at 5:10 PM
It was a poor candidate
I don’t think this was the case. Romney was probably the best candidate that the Republican Party could have hoped for in this cycle. Romney is a good general election candidate but his relatively moderate views got him in trouble in the primary in 2008. His answer in 2012 was to veer far to the right to insulate himself from attacks. Against a less saavy Democratic opponent (more specifically Obama’s political strategists than Obama himself…especially Axelrod, Messina and Plouffe) Romney might have been able to trim back towards the middle more successfully than he did this year. Obama’s people though effectively reminded voters what Romney said in the primary though. And given that there were an absurd amount of primary debates this cycle, Obama’s team had plenty of material to work with.
November 7th, 2012 at 5:12 PM
Either/or much?
November 7th, 2012 at 5:12 PM
Ty_Webb – Does MikeNYC also advocate for a 3rd party?
November 7th, 2012 at 5:13 PM
Another Romney mistake was the way he spent money. He was outraising Obama this summer and had a decently large cash on hand advantage. But instead of beginning to attack Obama in the summer or early fall, but chose to bide his time and keep building up his war chest. Meanwhile Obama unloaded on Romney starting around the time of the Republican Convention. By the time of the debates, when Romney’s advertising began to kick in, Obama had already successfully defined Romney in the eyes of many previously undecided voters.
November 7th, 2012 at 5:15 PM
Ty_Webb – Does MikeNYC also advocate for a 3rd party?
No, I stand corrected!
November 7th, 2012 at 5:15 PM
Only if that 3rd party is a corporation (likely Apple).
November 7th, 2012 at 5:16 PM
ms621…who ended up raising more money? I remember when Romney had the lead…
November 7th, 2012 at 5:17 PM
That might be true, but it doesn’t change the fact that Mitt was still a shitty candidate.
November 7th, 2012 at 5:17 PM
Ty_Webb Clever. Mittens. That’s good. Did you tweet that out to your followers today? Or just post it on Facebook.
Yeah, dickface. Try to pick up the pieces of your shattered ego now.
/high fives the new commenter
November 7th, 2012 at 5:18 PM
At this point, it is being reported that Romney got 2 million fewer votes than John McCain.
November 7th, 2012 at 5:19 PM
/high fives the new commenter
//posts “the U” gif
November 7th, 2012 at 5:39 PM
//posts “the U” gif
Did you tweet that out to your followers today? Or just post it on Facebook.
/ka.boom.
November 7th, 2012 at 5:45 PM
Ms, I agree that Romney was the best they can hope for. As long as evangelicals dominate the primary process the democratic candidate will always have fodder. And if Obama gets immigration reform through? Ballgame.
November 7th, 2012 at 5:50 PM
There wasn’t enough money to cover his stench as a candidate which just further highlights how bad of a candidate he truly was. The fact that he had to blow his wad in cash just to get out of the primaries against that group of clowns highlights how bad of a candidate he was. Obama wouldn’t have been able to label him so easily if he was about something.
November 7th, 2012 at 6:01 PM
That might be true, but it doesn’t change the fact that Mitt was still a shitty candidate.
We can argue back and forth on whether Mitt was a shitty candidate or whether he was put in an awkward position for the general election by the intense focus given to the Republican primary….I think it more the latter than the former as Romney is certainly a better, more polished candidate than McCain was. I take it you think he was more of the catalyst of his own situation. Ultimately I think that we’ll have a better idea once more concrete numbers from the election come out over the next month or so.
November 7th, 2012 at 6:04 PM
There wasn’t enough money to cover his stench as a candidate which just further highlights how bad of a candidate he truly was. The fact that he had to blow his wad in cash just to get out of the primaries against that group of clowns highlights how bad of a candidate he was. Obama wouldn’t have been able to label him so easily if he was about something.
This dovetails nicely with what I wrote in 117. I tend to think that Romney was brought down by the process rather than his own qualities as a candidate (or lack thereof). The Republican nomination process was very much a race to the right and the only two people who didn’t participate in that race (Pawlenty and Huntsman) didn’t last long at all. It’s difficult to imagine any candidate, no matter his or her credentials or qualities, coming out of that and performing well in a general election atmosphere which increasingly seems to value (or at least claims to value) compromise and moderation of views.
November 7th, 2012 at 6:39 PM
Its still amazing to me how closely this race mirrored 2004. So, so many parallels.
November 7th, 2012 at 6:40 PM
The guy has a history of changing his views. He didn’t have to be forced to do anything. He did it willingly and opportunistically.
November 7th, 2012 at 6:45 PM
115 writes: ” As long as evangelicals dominate the primary process the democratic candidate will always have fodder.”
I don’t ever recall a candidate making light of their opponent’s religion?
November 7th, 2012 at 6:50 PM
The guy has a history of changing his views. He didn’t have to be forced to do anything. He did it willingly and opportunistically.
I’m not arguing that he didn’t do it willingly, but do you think he could have won the nomination without doing so? I doubt it.
November 7th, 2012 at 6:58 PM
What’s wrong with changing your mind on things?
Obama was against gay marriage and is now for it.
Romney was for abortion and is now against it.
As you grow your opinions change.
November 7th, 2012 at 7:04 PM
There’s nothing wrong with changing your mind. There is something wrong with saying you’ve changed your mind to find the path of least resistance. I think the public is looking for a degree of intellectual honesty.
Romney extolled the virtues of the Massachusetts state healthcare law, which the Affordable Care Act is largely based upon. Once he was no longer Governor Romney but Presidential Candidate Romney he tried to disown it like a redheaded stepchild. When Obama and his team called him out on it, and when some of the individuals in Massachusetts who worked with Romney on crafting the state health plan, he reversed course and said that he liked some of the Massachusetts plan, but tried to assert the fiction that it was significantly different from the Affordable Care Act.
That is intellectual dishonesty and it was quite obvious and it duly hurt Romney.
November 7th, 2012 at 7:04 PM
Man I need to go home…that comment left out whole words.
November 7th, 2012 at 7:05 PM
Its not the religion that’s the problem. Its the view held by most evangelicals that sabotages moderate candidates during the primaries. Being against gay marriage and abortion in any case is killer with the majority of the electorate.
November 7th, 2012 at 7:16 PM
124 – Great example regarding Romney. Certainly was odd to watch him explain that.
126 – Abortion is a fake issue. There are 1 million+ abortions a year, suggesting abortion will become illegal is not true. And you are right, it’s a brilliant political move, helping garner the 18-29 vote, and evangelical voices opposing it help drive that young vote.
Regarding gay marriage – that too is an issue that garners the young vote, but it’s a political move to for the 18-29 set. And it works.
November 7th, 2012 at 7:29 PM
only gay people between the ages of 18-29 seek to marry?
November 7th, 2012 at 8:02 PM
128 – Great question, I don’t know the average age of gay people seeking to marriage, however I do know, demographically, 18-29 year olds are the most passionate age group regarding Gay Marriage (and abortion).
November 7th, 2012 at 8:45 PM
I wouldn’t say they’re the most passionate, as you will find extreme passion against Gay marriage across the board. I’d say 18-29′s are the most open/least resistant to marriage.