Andrew Luck is 4th in the NFL in 3rd & 4th Down Passing; Robert Griffin III is 25th
On Monday, I went with Andrew Luck instead of Robert Griffin III for my Offensive Rookie of the first half. Griffin would be a great choice many years, and his raw numbers stand out, with a much higher completion percentage and a higher yards per attempt.
Today, Chase Stuart at Football Perspective has a post looking at third down and fourth down passing. In it, he not only looked at raw passing numbers, but also adjusted conversion rates by the situations faced, so that quarterbacks who had longer yardage situations will be adjusted upward because we would expect their conversion rate to be lower.
Among the highlights:
* Andrew Luck checks in at 4th, behind Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, and Matt Ryan, and just ahead of Tom Brady. A month ago, I talked about QBR and how once we adjusted for schedule, Luck rated very highly. Third down performance is one of the reasons for that. Griffin meanwhile, came in at 25th, converting 29.5% when the expectation based on yards to go was 35.1%.
* Griffin is just ahead of both New York quarterbacks on the list, Mark Sanchez and Eli Manning. Eli Manning’s conversion rate is near average, but he has faced easier situations than most quarterbacks. His brother, Peyton Manning, is first and another reason to view him as a legitimate MVP candidate.
* Blaine Gabbert is, of course, near the bottom (32nd), but two AFC North quarterbacks, Joe Flacco and Andy Dalton rank in the other bottom slots. Dalton has only converted 20.8% of passing first downs so far.
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November 7th, 2012 at 12:22 PM
Joe Flacco sucks.
November 7th, 2012 at 12:24 PM
These numbers are wrong. Flacco is elite.
November 7th, 2012 at 12:25 PM
Thank you for not attaching Brandon Weeden’s stats
November 7th, 2012 at 12:26 PM
I was actually surprised that Flacco wasn’t last.
November 7th, 2012 at 12:30 PM
Blaine Gabbert is in elite company
November 7th, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Romo > Flacco
November 7th, 2012 at 12:33 PM
Denard > Flacco
November 7th, 2012 at 12:36 PM
But I thought he was
elitetop 10really goodabove averagemiddle of the packoverrated because his team wins./really really hope he gets over paid by the Ravens.
November 7th, 2012 at 12:36 PM
I wish I could get one fucking PSU alumni email that doesn’t try to use THON as a reason why they shouldn’t get a negative image. Jesus Christ, nut up and accept that you are forever going to be tarnished.
November 7th, 2012 at 12:38 PM
THON?
November 7th, 2012 at 12:41 PM
Still waiting for the Lisk post:
Robert Griffin III rookie season stats are eerily similar to Michael Vick’s”
November 7th, 2012 at 12:42 PM
TRON?
November 7th, 2012 at 12:43 PM
and, cutler was the league’s highest rated passer in the fourth quarter, at least before last week
probably not as important as 3rd and fourth down stats
November 7th, 2012 at 12:43 PM
But, I thought the best way to judge an individual is the performance of 21 other individuals.
November 7th, 2012 at 12:44 PM
THON?
Dickie, you mopes
/get it, DICKie?
November 7th, 2012 at 12:44 PM
and, cutler was the league’s highest rated passer in the fourth quarter, at least before last week
This is true?? Interesting, but probably says more about QBs playing with a lead vs those attempting a comeback.
November 7th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
his stats suck but im pretty bullish on him. browns lead the league in drops and he’s still a rookie…i think he’s got a place in the league.
November 7th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
Blaine Gabbert is, of course, near the bottom (32nd)
No idea how Gene Smith still has a job. Gabbert has been so bad it’s basically wasted the Blackmon pick, too.
November 7th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
… and of course, most everyone is waiting for the one game where Cutler absolutely implodes and pouts for the following 3 games, returning to form.
November 7th, 2012 at 12:46 PM
The House Of Naked?
November 7th, 2012 at 12:47 PM
i think he’s got a place in the league
Uh oh … here it comes …
November 7th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
… selling hotdogs? Can’t sell peanuts, too many overthrows.
November 7th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
whatever.
November 7th, 2012 at 12:49 PM
squawk, here you go
November 7th, 2012 at 12:49 PM
Spencer how do you feel about Ray Horton as future browns coach. Fight Pittsburgh with Pittsburgh guys.
November 7th, 2012 at 12:49 PM
just kidding, couldn’t resist. I actually like Weeden.
November 7th, 2012 at 12:49 PM
Have to be bullish, he could be senile for his first start if the organization was bearish.
“Play in Weeden: Slot Right 36 slant”
“Is this Denny’s?”
“SLOT RIGHT 36 SLANT”
“I have a nephew who used to be your age”
November 7th, 2012 at 12:51 PM
gene smith will be fired by the end of the month.
November 7th, 2012 at 12:52 PM
damn it Soused
November 7th, 2012 at 12:52 PM
Do you think Griffin would move up the list at all if you included running for those first downs?
November 7th, 2012 at 12:53 PM
all missouri quarterbacks are shit.
todd reesing > fat face daniels
November 7th, 2012 at 12:53 PM
75 yd avg in 4th quarter. meh. No avg per attempt numbers.
November 7th, 2012 at 12:53 PM
his stats suck but im pretty bullish on him. browns lead the league in drops and he’s still a rookie…i think he’s got a place in the league.
Keep fucking that chicken spencer.
November 7th, 2012 at 12:53 PM
Huh?
November 7th, 2012 at 12:55 PM
Me appraising Joey’s first season.
November 7th, 2012 at 12:55 PM
Him or McCoy from Denver would be good hires I think. Probably depends on if Cle wants offense or defense.
November 7th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
Weeden is progressing. He wasn’t expected to be as good as Luck or RGII and he hasn’t been. But he sure as shit aint being helped out by his head coach. The failures of short yardage execution and the playcalling are hindering him. And the drops.
November 7th, 2012 at 1:04 PM
I’d rather CLE just replace Shurmur, and have the new coach bring in a guy like Turner who cant be a HC but is a damn good Off Coordinator. Let the head coach be somebody that can set the agenda, ensure SP aren’t a mess and understand the use of time outs and challenges.
Shurmur just thinks he can call plays like Bill Walsh. He does little terrible but nothing well either.
November 7th, 2012 at 1:21 PM
that’s the buzz from the “insiders” in Jacksonville.
November 7th, 2012 at 1:26 PM
not really sure, to be honest.
cmon naw…we both know, between the two of us, im the only one who’s actually watched him this year.
November 7th, 2012 at 1:28 PM
Really interesting post. RG3s ability to rectify this will determine whether or not he becomes Steve Young 2.0 or Michael Vick 2.0. Having a QB who can steal a first down or extend a play with his legs is valuable but not as valuable as being able to sit in the pocket and get 1st downs on 3rd and 10. If he can stay healthy I’m bullish but you never know, the track record of guys transition from a spread based offense to the NFL is pretty dismal.
November 7th, 2012 at 1:29 PM
Raycess?
November 7th, 2012 at 1:32 PM
RAYCESS!!
November 7th, 2012 at 1:37 PM
No, they are not.
RG3 (9 games): 172-262, 65.3% comp, 1,993 yds, 8 TD, 3 INT, 93.9 rating.
81 rushes, 529 yds, 6 TD.
Vick (8 games): 50-113, 44.2 % comp, 785 yds, 2 TD, 3 INT, 62.7 rating.
31 rushes, 289 yds, 1 TD.
November 7th, 2012 at 2:16 PM
cmon naw…we both know, between the two of us, im the only one who’s actually watched him this year.
I wasn’t arguing that. I was exhorting you to continue having manual sex with that chicken in your left hand.
November 7th, 2012 at 2:17 PM
/lights cigarette angrily