NFL Post Game Handshakes, Week 9: Doug Martin’s Big Day, Chuck Pagano’s Speech, and Red Dawn is to Blame
This week’s Post Game Handshakes continue to marvel at Doug Martin’s huge performances, cry a little and give Chuck Pagano a hug, and then figure out how it’s come full circle between 1984 and 2012.
Meet the New Playoff Teams, Same as the Old Playoff Teams: If the season ended today, nine of the twelve playoff teams would be repeat contenders from last year. The only exceptions to that are two teams that had quarterback injuries last year, and were in the playoffs the year before (Indianapolis and Chicago), and Seattle. Detroit is lurking at 4-4, with the tiebreaker over Seattle, so they could make it an even ten.
Two of the new playoff teams are currently holding on in the final sixth position. Two of the three from last year who are out were the sixth seeds (Cincinnati and Detroit). Only New Orleans really fits the bill of a recent power to be having a down year, and they have their own very specific issues. The top ten seeds could look very similar, with only Chicago replacing New Orleans.
When was the last time nine playoff teams repeated? Well, never. 1995 was the only year in the expanded playoff era (12 teams) that as many as eight repeated. The average is 6.2 repeating playoff teams.
I might take a look at this further, but a cursory analysis would suggest Red Dawn is at fault. The remake is due out this year, and the last time at least 75% of playoff teams repeated was 1984. In that season, eight of the ten teams repeated, including all five from the AFC.
Chuck Pagano’s Inspiring Speech: I mean, what is there to say about this? Inspiring, heart wrenching stuff from Chuck Pagano as he addresses his team and talks about dancing at his daughters’ weddings and hoisting the Lombardi trophy. The Colts are an improbable 5-3 this year, and probably the story of the first half, and always a must find near the end of games on Sunday.
Doug Martin Is Spinning His Hamster Wheels in Elite Company: Yesterday, I wrote about how Doug Martin was the first back, since at least 1940, to have three different touchdown runs of 40+ yards in the same game. He also had a pretty big game against Minnesota the week before that. Here are the most yards from scrimmage in consecutive games, going back to 1960 (all data via pro football reference):
Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning Just Can’t Avoid Comparisons: First overall picks, one replacing the other in Indianapolis, and now this. Through eight games, both quarterbacks have exactly 2,404 passing yards (via Don Van Natta, Jr.). They also now have an outside possibility of playing each other–if it happens in the #3 vs. #6 matchup in the postseason.
Bears Defense, Again, With All Your Touchdowns: It’s getting ridiculous at this point. Chicago added another interception return yesterday as Brian Urlacher rumbled for the score. That puts them at seven interception return scores this year, and we just hit the halfway point. They just tied the 1999 St. Louis Rams and the 1984 Seahawks, and trail only two teams: 1998 Seattle (8) and 1961 San Diego (9). San Diego was in the AFL at the time, though, so the NFL record is just one away.
Charles Tillman, meanwhile, forced four fumbles . . . in one game. That’s the most in at least twenty years (via Bears Rapid Reports). Last year’s season leader, Defensive POY Terrell Suggs, had 7 all season.
Baltimore’s Boom or Bust Offense: The Ravens came out and took control of the game at Cleveland early with two touchdown drives. After that, they were fortunate they were playing the Browns. Cleveland could not score touchdowns, and had five field goals between the start of the second quarter and the middle of the fourth. Here were Baltimore’s offensive numbers during that span:
7 possessions, 1 first down, 6 of 14 passing for 40 yards, 1 sack. 7 rushes for 11 yards.
Then, down 15-14, Baltimore put together their third drive of the game, to take the lead back. The final field goal came after the Browns were forced to go for it and Baltimore gained no yards. The final result was three long touchdown drives, and eight others that resulted in 43 yards total. The good news is Baltimore is at 6-2. The bad news is that this was not the kind of performance that gives you confident going forward.
Steelers Overcome Early Injuries, and Now Bad Calls: Pittsburgh showed the resolve of a good organization to get to 5-3, and the way Baltimore looks, likely the favorite in the AFC North while trailing by one game. They were not playing well early, but have now put together impressive wins at Cincinnati, at home against Washington, and at the Giants.
They also overcame a questionable penalty that set up the Giants first touchdown, where there was no helmet contact and if the ball isn’t knocked away a split second before (and Clark can’t rely on that in the end zone), it’s a tremendous play. Then, the second touchdown should have been a non-fumble that stood on review, and involved a clip. Even with those 11 points, the Steelers came back to win a game they trailed by 10 on the road.
How? Defense. Hakeem Nicks still isn’t right, and they went toe to toe, often in man coverage, against the Giants wide receivers and frustrated Manning. He went 10 of 24 for 125 yards and an interception. A very impressive four point road win.
Jaguars and Chiefs are neck and neck: Man, the Jaguars are bad. They get to showcase their badness for a national audience on Thursday. On Sunday, they turned Mikel LeShoure into a sensation with three touchdowns in the second quarter. Detroit backs accounted for 196 yards and 4 touchdowns. The final score, 31-14, flatters the Jaguars, as all 14 were scored in the fourth quarter after the game was way out of reach.
Cam Newton victory = Mitt Romney? Yeah, yeah, you’ve heard about this presidential thing. The Redskins lost at home to the Panthers the Sunday before the election, which is supposed to mean that the incumbent is in trouble. I’m guessing there is no cause/effect relationship here, but what do I know?
At least there’s this: no body language analysis this week. The Panthers controlled the Redskins from making big plays, and the Redskins offense is struggling with Fred Davis and Pierre Garcon out. Last two games: 53% completions, 5.4 yards per attempt.
FOURTH DOWN LOG
We continue with the Fourth and One Log, looking at games decided by 10 or less, and situations where going for it is arguable based on past behavior (not including those deep in one’s own territory early in a game, for example).
1. Cincinnati on final drive went on 4th and 1, down 11, went and converted, eventually kicking a field goal.
2. On 4th and 1 on the opening drive, Indianapolis refused to gamble and took the points. They got called for a delay of game, and then Vinatieri missed the field goal.
3. Washington went in the second quarter, converted, but then were stopped on 4th and goal from the 2. Carolina then marched 98 yards to score a TD of their own.
4. Carolina faced a 4th and 1 from their own 46 in the third quarter, and punted, it was shanked for 14 yards to the Washington 40.
5. At midfield near the end of first half, Seattle ran a QB sneak, converted, and scored a touchdown four plays later to take a 20-17 lead. With 3 minutes left, up 10, Seattle went at the Minnesota 32, converted, and ran out the rest of the clock.
6. New York Giants punted from PIT 44 on the opening drive, downing it at Pittsburgh 2.
7. Pittsburgh went at NYG 48, converted, and later punted after a Roethlisberger sack. In the fourth quarter, Pittsburgh faked a field goal from the NYG 3, failed, but stuffed the Giants, got the ball back, and scored the winning touchdown on the next drive that started at midfield.
8. With 1:11 left in the second quarter, Dallas punted from own 49. Atlanta went down and scored the tying field goal at the end of the half. Dallas lost 19-13.
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November 5th, 2012 at 11:46 AM
The original Red Dawn was just dumb. The new one looks downright idiotic.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:46 AM
Right call to go for it, but wrong play. Should have ran Redman, who was gashing up that vaunted DLine.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:47 AM
I know they ended up winning the game, but this baffling by Mike Tomlin. I realize it’s one of those calls that he’s a genius if it works and a goat when it doesn’t… but if you’re on the 6 yardline or whatever and it’s 4th and 1, just go for it if you’re going to go. The fake seemed unnecessary as the Giants weren’t really trying to block from that close. They didn’t even rush, probably trying to avoid the mind-numbing leaping penalty.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:47 AM
That would be awesome.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:48 AM
Texans played very poorly.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:49 AM
Please make this happen. The AFC is dreadfully dull and needs a matchup like this.
Also, the Vikings are who we thought they were. I will continue to be a pathetic, shameless Ponder apologist though by saying he hasn’t been nearly the same since he hurt his knee in the SF game.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:51 AM
Jason Garrett deserves a post of his own on coaching decisions. In fact, so does Mike Smith. Why are you passing with 3 minutes left while Dallas can’t stop the clock? Of course Dallas is in a game where they have no timeouts inside 3 minutes and are trailing. The missed tackles aren’t on Garrett of course but the last 5 minutes of that game were baffling from a play-calling and time management perspective.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:51 AM
Yesterday was really the first extended view I’ve had of him this year. Boy, was he inaccurate.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:52 AM
They’re in deep shit if Harvin’s injury is anything close to serious.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:53 AM
Dallas can’t convert any short yardage play, so punting or going for it doesn’t make a shit anyway.
/fire Garrett
//hope Jerry dies of colorectal cancer this afternoon
November 5th, 2012 at 11:54 AM
“They’re in deep shit if Harvin’s injury is anything close to serious.”
We need to make a bet on this Texans – Bears game.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:55 AM
Baddies were Chinese originally, edited it to North Koreans in post production. Don’t think I have ever seen a movie trailer where the names are listed and I’ve had more “who?” reactions.
Also I don’t know why Steelers fans were pissed that Tomlin challenged the spot on that one play, it was an absolutely atrocious spot and a smart move. Trust your defense to make a play.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:56 AM
Peanut Tillman…HOFer
/solid opinion bud
November 5th, 2012 at 11:57 AM
It doesn’t even matter, with him healthy it just means they cover the spread more often than not. Rookies on defense are hitting a wall, especially Josh Robinson who’s getting schooled. Kevin Williams has been incredible this year considering he’s been essentially playing next to a 320 pound sack of potatoes. John Sullivan might simultaneously be the best run-blocking center and the worst pass-protecting center in the league.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:58 AM
this is just a place to them. for us, it’s a land of limited opportunity depending on the family you;re born into
November 5th, 2012 at 11:58 AM
Excellent. F’in Russians man.
While I dont like the fake FG, it was only a yard. Les Miles somehow expected his kicker to run for TWELVE YARDS. Against Alabama.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:00 PM
I’ll pass. Especially if the Bears are favored. I think it should be a pick ‘em at best even though it’s being played on the lakefront. If forced to bet, I would not pick Chicago. They can win, I just don’t think they will. Bears are looking at 7-3 heading into the Minnesota and Seattle games if you ask me.
Here’s hoping I’m wrong and Matt Schaub throws a couple picks or Houston’s ball security falls victim to the ball-punch. It should be an entertaining night game though. Can’t see it being decided by more than 7 points.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:01 PM
Meanwhile, Adrian Peterson continues down the Barry Sanders career path. Both all-time greats saddled with mediocre (save one Favre season) quarterbacks. Both go to the NFC title game their 3rd year. Both miss 1/3 of a season in their 5th year. Both bounced back with career seasons. (Sanders with 1883 yards, 5.7 yards per carry, AD on pace for nearly the exact same.)
November 5th, 2012 at 12:01 PM
What’s the lowest O/U this year? Gotta’ think that game will surpass it, no?
November 5th, 2012 at 12:02 PM
i’d take the bears especially in a pickem at home. and the under
November 5th, 2012 at 12:03 PM
you think this under will be low. wait til the bears-niners
November 5th, 2012 at 12:04 PM
Bears beat the hair off a shitty team…which is good…means they might be done playing down to their competition..I look forward to this Texans game…
November 5th, 2012 at 12:04 PM
Pretty sure Eli didnt complete a pass on 3rd down yesterday. At home against a defense thats been carved up by the likes of Palmer and Hasselbald.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:05 PM
He’s overthinking everything. Needs to go with the Nuke LaLoosh mantra, “Don’t think, just throw”
November 5th, 2012 at 12:05 PM
Another thing about the Bears…everyone is practically forgetting how shitty the offense was in the first half..oline was awful in pass protection(great with the run though)..Cutler’s stats were had when the game obviously over.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:05 PM
going to see it with a few friends at one of those theaters that serves liquor and food. great atmosphere, food, beer selection, picture and sound
November 5th, 2012 at 12:05 PM
The SF-CHI game should have a lower one. Like, 35-36.5.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:05 PM
The original Red Dawn was just dumb.
False on many levels. Sorry all your commie friends got wasted.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:06 PM
The only thing that makes me feel better about the Vikings is watching the Cowboys. Every single game is excruciating and I love it.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:06 PM
Also I don’t know why Steelers fans were pissed that Tomlin challenged the spot on that one play, it was an absolutely atrocious spot and a smart move. Trust your defense to make a play.
I agree. People seem to think because they got the first down it was stupid.
Lisk, I’m surprised the bad calls against the Steelers didn’t include the first PI call.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:07 PM
mrejr, that’s nothing new and keeping bears confidence low. cutler leads the league in fourth quarter passer rating. o-line still a problem, bush not having the effect i was excited about. nice to see forte get off, especially with at least one catch
November 5th, 2012 at 12:07 PM
In fact, so does Mike Smith. Why are you passing with 3 minutes left while Dallas can’t stop the clock?
They needed to get a first down to keep the Dallas offense off the field. And the Dallas D was crowding the line.
And the passes were extremely safe.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:08 PM
That’s definitely part of it, but if you’re throwing 5 yards behind a wide open guy, a pass you were making with ease several weeks earlier, then something is wrong mechanically. Thankfully Ponder’s going to get booed out of the building the next home game which means he’s that much closer to sitting.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:08 PM
Giants definitely received the benefit of a few calls yesterday. The Rothlesiberger fumble wasn’t one of them, that was legit. But then again, a clip should have been called on Pierre-Paul on the return. I think most of the Steeler ground gains early on were based on delayed hand offs to slow down the Giants pass rush. On plays where the Giants were looking run, they pretty much shut it down, which is why Tomlin went with the trickery on 4th and 1 instead of going head up.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:09 PM
Who was the genius on here the other week saying that forced fumbles were a byproduct of “luck”?
Also these terrible — and possibly also copyright-violating — GIFs are making this already painfully site even slower.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:09 PM
Loved the original Red Dawn when it was out in the 80′s, but yeah, that film and other 80′s films have aged poorly.
For example, how much cocaine did casting producers do to talk themselves into making Glenn Close a significant love interest in both “The Natural” and “Fatal Attraction”?
November 5th, 2012 at 12:10 PM
Texans played very poorly.
agreed. sunday night will be very interesting.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:11 PM
Agree with Mike on the GIFs.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:13 PM
Pretty sure Eli didnt complete a pass on 3rd down yesterday.
That’s because he lives in an apartment.
/Cracker Jack’d
November 5th, 2012 at 12:13 PM
Texans played very poorly.
agreed. sunday night will be very interesting.
just poorly enoiugh to cover the 10.5
did not appreictae sweating it tho
November 5th, 2012 at 12:13 PM
I think they probably meant fumble recoveries…?
November 5th, 2012 at 12:14 PM
how much cocaine did casting producers do to talk themselves into making Glenn Close a significant love interest
A blindingly massive amount?
But you have to admit – the creepiness of her looks fit well with the whole fatal attraction plot.
But you’re right, no I wood not, so why wood Michael Douglas?
November 5th, 2012 at 12:14 PM
Tillman’s forced fumbles are a byproduct of punch the damn ball out like a fucking beast. Watch any of his replays…and it isn’t like the ball is hanging out there all sloppy and shit, he’s knocking out protected balls..
November 5th, 2012 at 12:15 PM
Who was the genius on here the other week saying that forced fumbles were a byproduct of “luck”?
Tyberious Duffy. And, technically, it was recovering the fumble. Of which, one gets more opportunities to recover when they force more fumbles. It was a tortured statement he made and won’t walk back from.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:15 PM
Don’t want to upset our soon-to-be overlords, amirite?
November 5th, 2012 at 12:15 PM
I get what you’re saying, but in many instances my work “nanny” would otherwise block a video (Youtube is OK, but everything else doesn’t work). So, sometimes I need the .gif just to see the reference
November 5th, 2012 at 12:15 PM
bears have three and maybe four future HOFers on D
November 5th, 2012 at 12:15 PM
Also, fuck Killer Kelly and his supplicant referees.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:16 PM
i can see luck being a huge part of recovering the fumble…shape of the ball and goofballs deciding to try to scoop it instead of secure it
November 5th, 2012 at 12:19 PM
That is pretty weak, poor people and lazy people live in apartments.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:19 PM
he’s knocking out protected balls..
Well played, Coop.
Recovering fumbles is pure luck. Often times, recoveries are made by guys completely out of position or completely blocked out of a play or pushed onto the ball.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:20 PM
.gifs vote Republican…you better back off, Barista Mike.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:23 PM
recovering fumbles is lucky like winning a raffle. you can’t win if you don’t buy into the raffle drawing. likewise, you can’t recover a fumble if the other team isn’t fumbling. also, there’s a good chance you’ll win a sweet boombox if you punch a ball out.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:24 PM
his refusal to throw away some of those balls where he has 3 defenders in his face are baffling.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:24 PM
i am in the market for a sweet boombox
/team can’t throw away my hundreds of cassettes
November 5th, 2012 at 12:27 PM
Tyberious Duffy. And, technically, it was recovering the fumble. Of which, one gets more opportunities to recover when they force more fumbles. It was a tortured statement he made and won’t walk back from.
Fumble recoveries are luck. Forcing fumbles is not. When teams force lots of fumbles but don’t recover a large percentage of them, or don’t fumble much but lose a lot of them, it tends to even out over time.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:32 PM
/ Monster Is Meth shows up bearing gym bag
// Unzips gym bag
// “What the fuck are those?!”
November 5th, 2012 at 12:33 PM
Jags are lucky they got that one win early in the season. I don’t see them getting another one.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:39 PM
Here’s the fumble post. Duffy sticks to recovery, Queefer says causation and recovery are lucky.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:40 PM
Even forcing fumbles has a lot to do with luck. When there are multiple 270-pound monsters smashing into a runner from multiple angles, sometimes shit happens. You see it all the time. Hell, the Pittsburgh RB straight up dropped the ball and kicked it OOB yesterday. NYG didn’t do anything.
I went back and looked at FF for the last decade. No team has led the league more than once over that span. And the difference between first and 10th is a few fumbles.
It’s luck.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:41 PM
As an aside, I think teams can do things to try and increase fumbles. Whether that works or not — especially when every player on every team is taught the same thing — is highly questionable.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:42 PM
I was going to say “it was Queefer” buuuuuuuuuuuut comment 60 clears that up.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:42 PM
Super Bears, Super Bowl! Super Bears, Super Bowl! Super Bears, Super Bowl!
November 5th, 2012 at 12:44 PM
Also worth mentioning that the Bears haven’t yet beat a team with a winning record.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
Indianapolis has a winning record, but yeah overall that schedule has been dogshit.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
Forcing fumbles is a skill, and because a defense is actually pursuing the ball (carrier), while most of the offense is running away or looking away from the ball (blocking, going out for a pass etc) luck would more accurately describe the offense recovering a fumble.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
Shit, forgot they won yesterday.
If they stomp Houston out next week I’ll be impressed. Until then, I dont much care that they’re blowing out Jags, Rams, Lions, Cowboys, Panthers, Titans. Ughhhhh.
November 5th, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Some great names in this quiz. Stoney Case! Rusty Hilger! Dave Ragone!
November 5th, 2012 at 12:53 PM
I agree that there is skill involved. I become skeptical when some claim that certain teams possess this skill in greater concentration than others because of “coaching” or “drills.”
You see every corner in the NFL try and punch the ball out after a completion. Every linebacker in the league goes for the RB strip. Every defender is taught to do this. And the fact that a different team leads the league every year shows that there’s pretty much one way to do it, and sometimes the ball comes out and sometimes it doesn’t.
Not every FF is a result of luck. But I’m saying that you can punch the ball twice the exact same way and once it may come out and the other time it won’t. I don’t know a better word for it than luck. Randomness?
November 5th, 2012 at 12:55 PM
Things get pretty vague before 1999.