Justin Verlander is Now 0-3 with a 5.14 ERA For His Career in the World Series

All, Baseball Jason McIntyre October 25th. 2012, 9:26am

Justin Verlander has started three World Series games in his career – two in 2006 as a flame-throwing rookie and Game 1 last night. Here’s how he’s done:

vs. St. Louis 2006, loss: 5.0 innings, 6 hits, 7 runs, 6 ER, 2 HR, 2 BB, 8 K
vs. St. Louis 2006, loss: 6.0 innings, 6 hits, 3 runs, 1 ER, 0 HR, 3 BB, 4 k
vs. San Francisco 2012, loss: 4.0 innings, 6 hits, 5 runs, 5 ER, 2 HR, 1 BB, 4 k

Combined ERA in those three games: 5.14.

Sample size!

Verlander – who wasn’t as quick to blame the week-long layoff the way everyone else did - is expected to pitch Game 5 on full rest.

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58 Responses to “Justin Verlander is Now 0-3 with a 5.14 ERA For His Career in the World Series”

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KC Resident Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:32 AM
Sample size!
I was expecting FRAUD! or CHOKER!
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Some Random Old Dude Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:35 AM
It’s a long season. Even the best of pitchers are subject to fatigue in October. I’d still take my chances with this guy for game 5 “if necessary”.
/last night’s comment ’bout Giants’ sweep
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Scalia Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:36 AM
Combined ERA in those three games: 5.14.
Sample size!
I’m enjoying the gradual decline of your typical contempt for anything statistical. Oddly, part of me is missing the posts with psychoanalysis and FRAUD!
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Sickey Dimpkins Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:39 AM
is expected to pitch Game 5 on full rest
For a guy that thinks he can throw 170 pitches in a game they should move him up to throw Games 4 and 7.
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ButtersBC Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:40 AM
Verlander hadn’t given up a home run on an 0-2 pitch all season before the first inning last night and Sandoval is the first Giant to ever hit three home runs in that ballpark, sadly I read that instead of hearing Tim Kurkjian giggle while delivering the information
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#pettycowards Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:40 AM
Shut him down!
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VladimirCrouton Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:41 AM
Fraud of the highest order. Prince Fielder sucks too. Sweet throw by Delmon last night.
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chatterbox Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:45 AM
Is he waiting for game 5 the way Lou Pinella held back Big Z for game 5???
He’s gotta go 4 and 7 if they lose either of the next two games, because if they do, then the series will get back to SF.
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VladimirCrouton Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:46 AM
Can we get more screen time of Barry Zito in the dugout and that old lady cheering tonight!? That was ridiculous.
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The Wayne Fontes Safari Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:46 AM
//Sad face
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mrejr8234 comes for the sports posts but stays to kill the local inhabitants Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:47 AM
Wonder if he is pumped up by the weak AL hitters.
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The Wayne Fontes Safari Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:48 AM
Can we get more screen time of Barry Zito in the dugout and that old lady cheering tonight!? That was ridiculous.
I liked the shots of Jerry Garcia’s corpse holding Pablo’s first HR ball.
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ButtersBC Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:48 AM
Can we get more screen time of Barry Zito in the dugout and that old lady cheering tonight!? That was ridiculous.
I was watching at the bar and couldn’t hear, was she his grandma or something? They just kept going back to her…this is why baseball needs marching bands to distract the FOX cameras during every little break in the action
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scripty Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:52 AM
Greg Maddux was 11-14 in the playoffs.
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VladimirCrouton Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:56 AM
I liked the shots of Jerry Garcia’s corpse holding Pablo’s first HR ball.
ITS THE BEST AND MOST LOUDEST STADIUM IN THE WORLD WITH THE GREATEST FANS IN MLB!
/Joe Buck
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H.E. Pennypacker Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:04 AM
3 games using record and ERA. Good times.
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#pettycowards Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:12 AM
atl badger, what stats should be used? whip?
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ButtersBC Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:15 AM
I don’t hate ERA like some do (although considering the rot Detroit has for a defense stuff like FIP probably tells a better story) but W-L record should have no place in civilized sports discussions
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Tim Ryan Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:17 AM
Absolutely love Verlander getting lit up. Too bad the Yankee bats didn’t come through. Pettitte would’ve pitched a complete game.
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scripty Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:18 AM
He should do a Dave Stewart homage and where yellow contact lenses for his next start.
Stew’s eyes were freaky man.
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vajayjay redick Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:20 AM
Jason,
You’re actually making Verlander look better….12 ER given up in 15 innings is an ERA of 7.20, not 5.14. Also he gave up 3 unearned runs so he’s given up 15 runs in 15 innings. Yeah small sample size, but arent all WS numbers (except Jeter) small sample sizes?
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ButtersBC Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:21 AM
ITS THE BEST AND MOST LOUDEST STADIUM IN THE WORLD WITH THE GREATEST FANS IN MLB!
/Joe Buck
It does look like a fun time without the sense of fear and dread that I imagine exists for fans attending playoff games in Oakland
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#pettycowards Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:23 AM
but W-L record should have no place in civilized sports discussions
i do know that much, but at some point, unless unearned runs were a factor, doesn’t ERA tell a convincing tale of a pitcher’s performance?
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cleet Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:23 AM
Pettitte would’ve pitched a complete game.
And you wouldn’t have stopped touching yourself until the sun came up the next day.
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#pettycowards Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:24 AM
beautiful setting and park
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Tim Ryan Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:27 AM
Pettitte would’ve pitched a complete game.
And you wouldn’t have stopped touching yourself until the sun came up the next day.
Probably.
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spencer096 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:30 AM
looks like a fraud, sounds like a fraud, smells like a fraud…FRAUD.
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Flaccid Indigestion Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:38 AM
Outlier!
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rodmansrage Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:41 AM
realize its one game but just feel terrible for detroit, city (hell, the state for that matter) has absolutely nothing going for it besides this world series. san francsico on the other hand; money and ample jobs in non-blue collar areas.
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vajayjay redick Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:41 AM
Between the WS and his All-Star game appearance this year, it would seem like Verlander’s powers are useless vs the NL. But he’s 19-2 all time in interleague play with a 2.64 ERA.
/small sample size alert!
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I'm a Horse Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:44 AM
Wonder if he is pumped up by the weak AL Central hitters.
/fixed for accuracy
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Scalia Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:50 AM
but W-L record should have no place in civilized sports discussions
Yeah, I cringe anytime someone references it as a “stat” for pitchers. It is completely meaningless.
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vajayjay redick Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:50 AM
realize its one game but just feel terrible for detroit, city (hell, the state for that matter) has absolutely nothing going for it besides this world series. san francsico on the other hand; money and ample jobs in non-blue collar areas.
I’m guessing the media covering the games would rather all the games be played in SF.
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ms621 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
Yeah, I cringe anytime someone references it as a “stat” for pitchers. It is completely meaningless.
The Daryl beacon has been lit.
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Wally's World Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:04 AM
Pettitte would’ve pitched a complete game.
And he would have done it while having a bag of the clear attached to his hip, being fed intravenously into his arm.
/Cheating fucker
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Dawgfather Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:05 AM
Greg Maddux was 11-14 in the playoffs.
Uncalled for. Leave the Mad Dog out of this.
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Wally's World Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:08 AM
And, from a statistics perspective… Wins and losses are not the end all, be all. However, great pitchers will coast through 6-7 innings if given a big lead. By coasting to just get the win, it could skew all the REALLY IMPORTANT METRICS that stat heads get so worked up over.
I’m not saying those metrics aren’t important. But, it would be good to realize that the pitcher’s primary goal is to allow less runs than their opponent. It isn’t to allow less hits or baserunners per 9 innings, or allow fewer HR’s, or strike out more guys (although some guys might argue).
I think there is a middle ground where Wins and Losses can have some meaning (including bad luck as a meaning), statistics like ERA have meaning, and advanced measures have some meaning together.
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ms621 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:10 AM
It isn’t to allow less hits or baserunners per 9 innings, or allow fewer HR’s, or strike out more guys (although some guys might argue).
Yes it is because if a pitcher allows a lot of those things to occur runs will invariably follow.
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Wally's World Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:13 AM
Yes it is because if a pitcher allows a lot of those things to occur runs will invariably follow.
A good pitcher will pitch differently with a large lead than one where he is up by 1 run. That’s where advanced metrics are sometimes misleading.
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ms621 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:15 AM
A good pitcher will pitch differently with a large lead than one where he is up by 1 run. That’s where advanced metrics are sometimes misleading.
Advanced statistics don’t tell you to do anything differently. They show that if you allow a lot of base runners many of them are likely to score and you are not likely to be a successful pitcher. Anything beyond that is just verbal masturbation.
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Scalia Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:16 AM
However, great pitchers will coast through 6-7 innings if given a big lead. By coasting to just get the win, it could skew all the REALLY IMPORTANT METRICS that stat heads get so worked up over.
Someone out there can probably confirm this, but I’m pretty sure studies have been done to basically show that this isn’t the case.
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Career High Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:17 AM

And, from a statistics perspective… Wins and losses are not the end all, be all. However, great pitchers will coast through 6-7 innings if given a big lead. By coasting to just get the win, it could skew all the REALLY IMPORTANT METRICS that stat heads get so worked up over.
This is a common argument that really doesn’t make much sense. So a good pitcher with a big lead is going to now allow the opposing team to hit him? Isn’t this the Jack Morris argument?
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Wally's World Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:20 AM
And who cares if you allow baserunners when up 7? That’s the point. Pitchers don’t pitch to the statistics. They pitch to win a game. In some cases, that is reaching back for everything on every pitch. In other cases, where you are staked to a lead, the pitcher can coast a bit. Those numbers don’t provide that type of story telling.
I work in an advanced metrics area. The same struggles happen there. Numbers tell a story, but sometimes don’t tell the right one without the correct context. But, those advanced metrics are needed. They just need to be taken in context and not as the gospel.
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Scalia Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:20 AM
This is a common argument that really doesn’t make much sense. So a good pitcher with a big lead is going to now allow the opposing team to hit him? Isn’t this the Jack Morris argument?
It’s also contradicted by the fact that these are some of the most competitive people in the world. You always see quotes froma pitcher with a big lead that they don’t want to get too complacent and imagine the game is 1-0.
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ms621 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:20 AM
W-L record is a bad way to measure a pitcher’s worth but I save most of my disdain for Saves. They have twisted the game to a point where you have one guy on the pitching staff come in and get some outs (rarely more than 3 these days) in what is usually not the pivotal moment of the game. And these guys usually cost more than middle relievers too…it’s ridiculous.
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ms621 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:22 AM
And who cares if you allow baserunners when up 7? That’s the point. Pitchers don’t pitch to the statistics. They pitch to win a game. In some cases, that is reaching back for everything on every pitch. In other cases, where you are staked to a lead, the pitcher can coast a bit. Those numbers don’t provide that type of story telling.
Statistics measure things that directly lead to whether or not a team will win a game and a pitcher will be successful. I’m not sure why there is a perceived divide between the two because they are directly related. So I’m not sure what you mean when you say “pitcher’s don’t pitch to statistics”….they are producing statistics that measure their worth whether they mean to or not.
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ButtersBC Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:23 AM
Numbers tell a story, but sometimes don’t tell the right one without the correct context
I don’t think anyone’s disputing this, it’s still not a valuable argument for W-L record ever being used as a measurement tool
but I save most of my disdain for Saves
Absolutely, wonder what the odds are for any team to score 3 runs in any given inning…the requirements for a save are ricidulously low
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H.E. Pennypacker Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:25 AM
A good pitcher will pitch differently with a large lead than one where he is up by 1 run. That’s where advanced metrics are sometimes misleading.
I hope you know this has been proven false
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Career High Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:29 AM

Absolutely, wonder what the odds are for any team to score 3 runs in any given inning…the requirements for a save are ricidulously low
Which is why I’ve never understood why the idea of a relief ace working any late inning in a high leverage situation hasn’t worked. It has always been blamed on bullpen pitchers needing to know their role.
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ButtersBC Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:32 AM
Which is why I’ve never understood why the idea of a relief ace working any late inning in a high leverage situation hasn’t worked. It has always been blamed on bullpen pitchers needing to know their role
“Outs in the 9th are the hardest to get” chaps my ass…if there are three better hitters coming up in the 8th have your best go after them then
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ms621 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:34 AM
I do want to take issue with the statement “statistics can be misleading”. Statistics tell you exactly what they purport to show. It’s how people use, and misuse them, that is the problem. By just about every measurement Roger Clemens had a ridiculously good year in 2005: 200 IP, 1.87 ERA, an absurd ERA+ of 226 (100 is league average), 7.9 K/9, only 2.6 BB/9 and he only gave up 11 home runs all year. But he was 13-8….why? Because the Astros had a horrible offense that year (Bagwell’s career was done, Biggio’s was on the downslope, and Berkman missed the start of the season after tearing his ACL in the off season). Clemens had some of the worst run support in the league. But if you look solely at his W-L it looks like he had a pretty OK yeah….nothing spectacular. He in fact had a ridiculously good season but was let down by his teammates. You cannot divine any of that from simply looking at his W-L.
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Career High Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:34 AM

“Outs in the 9th are the hardest to get” chaps my ass…if there are three better hitters coming up in the 8th have your best go after them then
Or even if it’s 2nd and 3rd with one out in the 7th and your up by a run or two.
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Nada Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:35 AM
But what are the ratings for World Series games that Verlander has started?!
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Nada Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:38 AM
beautiful setting and park
My favorite MLB stadium.
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ButtersBC Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:40 AM
Because the Astros had a horrible offense that year
Fitting that their season ended in a beautiful 1-0 shutout
/Uncalled for
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ms621 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:41 AM
Fitting that their season ended in a beautiful 1-0 shutout
/Uncalled for
Pistols at dawn.
/you couldn’t be more right though
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Scalia Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:44 AM
Fitting that their season ended in a beautiful 1-0 shutout
Pitcher should have done a better job pitching to the score.
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Wide Word of Sport (?) Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 12:26 PM
small sample size
Define this for me, Jason.
/taps foot