Cam Newton as Vince Young? Don Banks Has Lost His Mind
Don Banks has lost his mind. He comes out and says that Cam Newton’s struggles bring to mind those of another quarterback, Vince Young. Why is he making this comparison?
Consider the similarities: Both quarterbacks won hugely celebrated national titles in their final collegiate season, then entered the NFL to great fanfare and acclaim, becoming the first passers selected in their class and going on to win the league’s Offensive Rookie of the Year award and earn a Pro Bowl trip.
Yeah, those are the similarities that I’m sure are driving this. Consider the similarities that Cam Newton had with JaMarcus Russell. Both played at SEC schools, in BCS bowl games, both were the first overall pick, and one year stars in college. Remember those comparisons?
Let’s consider the other similarities about these two, based on their play. Hmmm, well, It seems to me that they were the complete opposite. Vince Young, through one year and five games, was universally praised for being a winner despite his stats. (Tennessee was 11-7 in games he started by this date his sophomore year, including 9-4 in close games). Cam Newton has been cast as someone that can put up stats but can’t win (7-14, 3-9 in close games).
While the spotlight this time is highlighting Newton’s inability to live up to his monster rookie season in his second time around the league, five years ago right now, weren’t we beginning to ask some of the same types of questions about Vince Young?
Were we? Well, let’s see, there is this cool thing where you can see what people were saying five years ago. A quick search of articles mentioning Vince Young between October 1 and October 14, 2007:
After a 4.8 yards per attempt, 3 interception performance that the Titans still won 20-13 on a 76 yard interception return: “Vince Young is coming on. … You see moments where maybe he wishes he had a throw here or there back, but he’s not afraid to pull the trigger. And when all hell breaks loose, and he’s got to create with his legs, there’s nobody like him that I know. He’s a winner.”
After the Longhorns lost another game: Texas is missing Vince Young-type leadership.
In a game preview: “Vince Young, in his second season, is certainly [a legitimate NFL quarterback] and gives a young and rather faceless Tennessee team a good shot at competing for a playoff spot. The Titans are off to their best start since 2003.”
Vince Young and search term “sophomore slump”: [crickets]
Vince Young and search term “Akili Smith” (completely randomly selected bad quarterback, by the way): [crickets]
So you see, there is literally nothing like how these two are treated. You win, and your three interception effort where you stink and do nothing is a sign of progress. You lose, and you have character flaws.
Newton and Young’s quarterbacking talents are, of course, not completely synonymous . . .
Wait, what? You don’t say! But I thought this was about how similar they were.
Vince Young at this point in his second year, 6.18 YPA, 15 TD, 19 INT, 67.0 passer rating, career games with 250 or more passing yards = 0.
Cam Newton at this point, career: 8.0 YPA, 25 TD, 22 INT, 83.8 passer rating, career games with 250 or more passing yards = 9.
“I heard his press conference remarks after the [Seattle] game, and I said on the air I thought he was both courageous and on point, because he said, ‘This is my fault,’ ” Polian said. “I’m paraphrasing now, but he said ‘I’ve got to get it corrected and I’ve got to get back to work during the bye week on mechanics, on basic reads, on my throwing motion.’
“Essentially he broke down the things that had gone wrong during the ballgame, so I thought that was a tremendous step in the right direction. He knows what has gone wrong and needs to set about fixing it. That’s half the battle, and that’s a good thing.”
Quick, twist that so it shows immaturity or someone who doesn’t care about winning. Cam’s problem has so far been that he cares a lot about winning and hasn’t considered how his reaction to losing impacts teammates. That’s pretty much the complete opposite of Vince Young, who at this point was being praised for winning despite not really doing the things necessary to win.
But as Young’s once-promising career in Tennessee illustrates, nothing is guaranteed. At least not for long. They mean that well-worn mantra in the NFL.
Whereas the well-worn mantra of hack writers is to make cursory racial comparisons, while overreacting to quarterbacks wins and losses and the immediacy of each week in the NFL.
[photo via US Presswire]

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October 10th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
racial comparisons
While you did a nice job a tearing down this theory – we all know this is why they’re being compared – they’re both black…
October 10th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
Both these QB’s have been to more Pro Bowls than Hillbilly.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:08 PM
Nice write up.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:09 PM
Cam has better skin than VY.
/coop’d
October 10th, 2012 at 1:09 PM
Finally realized what that pic reminds me of. Even has the same, synthetic look.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:13 PM
Geno Smith reminds me of…uh…Ya Title. Yeah, Ya Title.
Matt Barkely reminds me of
Jimmy Clausenuh Rohan Davey.October 10th, 2012 at 1:13 PM
Superb response, Jason. Especially the 2nd to last paragraph, the quoted portion and then the close. I’d really like to read a follow-up suggesting how you think it’s remedied. Whether that’s done through historical comparison of teams similar to the 2012 Panthers or, a more subjective one that compares Newton’s competitive overzealous qualities with other QBs that did the same. That last one is super subjective though, admittedly.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:13 PM
He does have nice skin.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:17 PM
Ya know, I’m glad that the discussion is about on-field performance versus the tired “does he have the…mental necessities to play the position?”
October 10th, 2012 at 1:17 PM
Cam looks like his puppy died in that pic
October 10th, 2012 at 1:18 PM
Agreed that Jeff Fisher ruined Vince Young. Won’t be too long before he finds out that Bradford is part-Cherokee and throws him under the bus as well.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:19 PM
Vince won games.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:21 PM
HAHAHAHA
October 10th, 2012 at 1:22 PM
But how does Cam compare to VY when it comes to shirtless partying?
October 10th, 2012 at 1:24 PM
I had no idea Don Banks was still sucking air.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:25 PM
Does Cam love Cheesecake Factory as much as Vince?
October 10th, 2012 at 1:26 PM
A much better comparison would be Tim Tebow. Both received undue press attention last season because they had numerous short TD runs.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:26 PM
Lisk has been dug in on Cam since at least April.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:29 PM
Is Bryce Harper wearing red contacts?
October 10th, 2012 at 1:29 PM
pours one out for dr. z
October 10th, 2012 at 1:29 PM
DON BANS IS TOO DAMN HIGH!
October 10th, 2012 at 1:31 PM
A much better comparison would be Tim Tebow. Both received undue press attention last season because they had numerous short TD runs.
but who would you rather try to tackle?
October 10th, 2012 at 1:31 PM
Still got a virus, maybe? Pinkeye?
October 10th, 2012 at 1:32 PM
Lisk has been dug in on Cam since at least April.
Okay, man. I’ll admit when I’m wrong but Vince Young is a dumb comparison. As another person on Twitter just told me, Cam and Cutler have more in common in year two, which is more accurate.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:32 PM
Cam has better skin than VY.
He does have nice skin.
moisturizing is the bomb
October 10th, 2012 at 1:32 PM
Nah, the Jets’ brass trusts Tebow in short yardage situations, can’t say the same for the Panthers.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:33 PM
Ugh. I suppose this is what qualifies for analysis in today’s NFL. Let’s throw this guy out with the trash 5 games into the season. Newton has not been good this year against non-Saints defenses, and his rookie year was a bit of a fantasy football mirage, but are we at the point where we just assume black…errr “non-traditional” QB’s can’t improve? Horrible analysis by Banks.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:34 PM
Harper is indeed wearing red contacts.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:34 PM
Is Bryce Harper wearing red contacts?
Still got a virus, maybe? Pinkeye?
first time i saw the novelty contacts, i was covering a wrestling meet. talking to a champ, and i could not figure out why the kid was so freaky. then i realized, he had cats-eye contacts in
like the scene in MIB, with the alien eyes blinking the wrong way
October 10th, 2012 at 1:35 PM
Aren’t those supposed to help you see the ball better?
October 10th, 2012 at 1:36 PM
/smh
October 10th, 2012 at 1:38 PM
Yes.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:40 PM
Didn’t read Barnwell this week out of overall football annoyance, wonder if he took aim at the 4th and goal play against the Seahawks…how do you now just bullrush Newton in for the score there?
October 10th, 2012 at 1:41 PM
Yes.
That article is 7 years old. You think if it worked it would have caught on more?
October 10th, 2012 at 1:42 PM
This was a good read on it.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:43 PM
I’m not a Bryce Harper hater, either. I just think it’s weird.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:43 PM
Schatz with the shots fired at Darrell
October 10th, 2012 at 1:43 PM
Pete Kozma with a 3-run bomb? Cards up 4-0, top of the 2nd? Then, Chris Carpenter gets a knock?
When does the NBA start again?
October 10th, 2012 at 1:45 PM
Those numbers are actually closer than I thought (passer rating is too completion percentage heavy). I know it hasn’t been THAT long, but if you add in the fact that league averages in things like YPA and TD/Int have probably gone up (i.e. Cam is playing under easier passing conditions), it makes them even closer.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:46 PM
how do you now just bullrush Newton in for the score there?
or he could simply step back and leap over the pile. he is two yards tall no?
October 10th, 2012 at 1:47 PM
thats a lot of typing just to reiterate that VY sucks ass.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:48 PM
Pete Kozma with a 3-run bomb?
kozma, kozma, kozma….hmmmm, seems familair
oh right! he cost the braves their season by waving off any help with a popup and camping under the ball to trick the ump and rattle mike bourn into striking out
October 10th, 2012 at 1:48 PM
Nats are in hot water, SROD. E-Jax throwing straight line fastballs and the slider isn’t sliding. That three run bomb was a haymaker.
I really wish you were on Twitter, btw.
Elaborate. I’m just curious.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:49 PM
They both enjoy a good sulk
October 10th, 2012 at 1:51 PM
Blacks have a higher chance of getting diabetes?
October 10th, 2012 at 1:53 PM
The Cards are a very good team in the post-season. I can’t explain it, but they seem to be poised & they take advantage of opportunities.
And, Jackson is free to go at any time. “Don’t go away mad…(snort)…just go away. You been told.”
/Stitch Jones’d
Espinosa was safe!
October 10th, 2012 at 1:54 PM
I laughed. At both. Felt bad about the 2nd one but I work in a hospital and know it’s not a stereotype.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:56 PM
Jim Joyce at first today. I agree with you. He beat the throw.
October 10th, 2012 at 1:58 PM
My mom and one of my sisters are, as was my great-aunt. Tough way to go. And, lack of awareness coupled with poor dietary choices increase the risk.
October 10th, 2012 at 2:03 PM
It was weird last year when people were comparing RGIII to Cam. Besides being black and fast, I really didn’t see it
October 10th, 2012 at 2:08 PM
I’m still a little sour about the Galarraga call
October 10th, 2012 at 2:11 PM
Don’t forget Purple Drank.
/ Purple Drank = stolen laptops
October 10th, 2012 at 2:14 PM
Y’know, there’s a topical ointment for that.
October 10th, 2012 at 2:16 PM
/ Mad Hatter’d
October 10th, 2012 at 2:18 PM
/hangs my head, not smh
October 10th, 2012 at 3:56 PM
yeah, I know. Why would a coach consider the strengths and weaknesses of his team and his opponent when he can simply pull out his calculator instead?