When Should You Stop Playing For Field Goals, Like Marvin Lewis and Romeo Crennel, When Down By One Score?
I have been critical of both Marvin Lewis and Romeo Crennel for kicking field goals late in games when a touchdown would have given them the lead, but field goals still kept them behind. I’m kind of on an island here, because they will not get local criticism for these prudent decisions. So while I’ve already discussed why those were bad, an interesting question came up was when coaches should stop taking a field goal in these situations.
So let’s talk about what point in the game the coaches need to stop kicking a field goal that still leaves them behind because it doesn’t gain nearly as much as going for the conversion and the lead.
The short answer is coaches should go more frequently anyway, but we’ll focus on this specifically.
Three factors should drive these decisions. (1) the relative score is the most important. When you look at old games and records, you realize having the lead, and the larger the lead (or smaller the deficit) is better. But that divide between leading and trailing is the biggest. (2) next, who has the ball after the decision? Possession rates behind score, but in some situations, having the ball almost makes up for being slightly down. (3) third, time remaining and number of possessions left.
I could go through the sausage making and talk about the specifics of the numbers I looked at, but I’d rather just talk in this case about what the evidence shows. I looked through the various game probabilities given time remaining and score in the fourth quarter to come up with these statements.
The Point in Question: Midway through the fourth quarter. At the 10 minute mark, the 9 minute mark, the 8 minute mark, and the 7 minute mark, the difference in choice is pretty similar, and teams should go when they have about a 33% of converting the first down. That would equate to about a 4th and 9 for the average team against the average opponent.
Starting at the 7 minute mark, the tolerance for going should continue to climb, and at a linear rate for every minute. For every additional minute, a coach should take off just under 7% from the needed conversion rate. By the three minute mark, a team only needs a 7% chance of converting to justify the benefit of taking the lead, because there is little benefit to still trailing and giving up possession. By the two minute warning, there should be no circumstance under which a coach would not go for the touchdown.
That makes intuitive sense, but it’s cool to see it worked out that way.
By the way, being down 6, and kicking it to make it a 3 point game, is way worse than being down 5 or 4. So, even though both were awful, Romeo’s decision to kick down 6, still needing to win in overtime after a 2nd field goal, may have been worse despite the extra minute and a half on the game clock.
So where were we? Oh yeah. Seven minute mark, that’s when coaches should become less tolerant of settling for a field goal when a conversion could get them the lead (or a tie). Each minute after that, the tolerance should grow less and less, until they never do anything like what happened on Sunday when trailing by between 4 and 6 points, with that little time remaining and manageable fourth downs.
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October 8th, 2012 at 6:20 PM
lisk you should coach football
October 8th, 2012 at 6:31 PM
Awwww yeaaaauh. Got my 10 days off next month approved. Fuck you, work. Fuck you, office. Fuck you, desk. Fuck you, chair.
October 8th, 2012 at 6:36 PM
after much reflection…gonna go texans and the under
October 8th, 2012 at 6:37 PM
fter much reflection…gonna go texans and the under
You actually had to think about that?
October 8th, 2012 at 6:38 PM
Awwww yeaaaauh. Got my 10 days off next month approved. Fuck you, work. Fuck you, office. Fuck you, desk. Fuck you, chair.
you forgot, fuck you deer
October 8th, 2012 at 6:42 PM
You actually had to think about that?
i guess not. it was gut
October 8th, 2012 at 6:50 PM
fuck you deer
Haven’t delivered the “fuck you” to the deer yet. I got up to go this morning but when I felt how cold it was outside and raining, I decided not to go. Normally I’ll hunt in any kind of weather, but I’m still not feeling 100%. No need to be sitting out there cold and wet for 4 hours.
October 8th, 2012 at 6:52 PM
And actually, the reason I’m taking that time off is for bear season, so it’d actually be fuck you, yogi. Pie stealin’ sumbitch.
October 8th, 2012 at 7:11 PM
My cousin has a bad ass bear rug from his first Grizzly. Sucker was at least 8 feet tall based on the rug size.
October 8th, 2012 at 7:12 PM
IT’S FUCKING BEAR SEASON?!?!?! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!
October 8th, 2012 at 7:17 PM
My cousin has a bad ass bear rug from his first Grizzly.
Yea I’m just doing Pennsylvania black bears. No grizzlies or polars. And actually, if I don’t even at least see a bear this year, I’m done calling it bear camp. It will forever then be known as “beer camp.” Haven’t killed any bears but cases of beer tremble in fear at the mention of our names.
October 8th, 2012 at 7:22 PM
He’s in Idaho, i think he has gotten 2 Grizzlies and a couple of black bears.
October 8th, 2012 at 7:23 PM
That’s funny when I think of Idaho I don’t think of bears. I think of potatoes. And that bucktoothed horse faced bitch on the idaho potato commercials. Add her to the fuck you list.
October 8th, 2012 at 7:25 PM
Idaho is pretty awesome for outdoorsy stuff. Awesome lakes, creeks, and rivers to fish in, tons of land to hunt, mountains to hike, rivers to raft, and all the potatoes you can eat.
October 8th, 2012 at 7:26 PM
Only bear I’ve ever seen in PA asides from ones people have killed was dead on the side of I-80 by Dubois. You get them around where you’re at?
October 8th, 2012 at 7:26 PM
Spencer this is random as fuck but in regard to your movie rants in this morning’s roundup…I know you said they were in jest but I remember you recently (perhaps jokingly) saying you thought Troy was one of the worst movies ever made. I know it wasn’t a huge critical success, but what made it so bad in your mind?
October 8th, 2012 at 7:27 PM
saying you thought Troy was one of the worst movies ever made.
I thoroughly enjoy that movie. Guess I’m one of the worst movie watchers ever made.
October 8th, 2012 at 7:29 PM
I’ve only ever seen two, a mama and a cub crossing the road out near Pittsburgh when I was on the eay to a wedding. I don’t hunt though, so i’ve never really looked for them.
October 8th, 2012 at 7:29 PM
So do I. Every time it comes one I have to finish watching. Not saying it’s the greatest movie ever made, but I love a lot of the lines and the fight scene between Achilles and Hector is fuckin awesome
October 8th, 2012 at 7:34 PM
I also like Troy. It didn’t really stick with the historical version, but I enjoy the movie.
October 8th, 2012 at 7:38 PM
I’m guessing this is why Spencer hates it. Only brought it up cause it was on late last night and my dumb ass stayed up to watch the whole thing. Need. Coffee.
October 8th, 2012 at 7:56 PM
I also like Troy.
Damn, someone mentioned a movie and you’ve seen it?
October 8th, 2012 at 8:08 PM
that was no joke.
i cannot stand brad pitt’s achiiles…the accent is fucking HORRIBLE. “sack of wine?” WHO THE FUCK EVER CALLED SOMEONE A SACK OF WINE? that sounds like something a LARPer would call you. and his fighting choreography was stupid too. that bullshit where he flips the shield on his back just as arrows come around and that sword throw thingee…it’s all just lame. and that’s not even mentioning the most asinine “signature move” of recent vintage…the equivalent of a tebow jump pass.
the acting in general, outside of eric bana and sean bean, is just hideous. again, the accents. i just cannot get over how bad they are. i get historical movies typically have british accents and all that, but they went way retarded with theirs.
you know the louie ck bit where he says people are fags for saying shit like “people from phoenix are phoenicians?” that’s how i feel about troy. it’s a story so good, it’s impossible to fuck up, so they were all like “CHYEA FILL THE MEDITERRANEAN SEA WITH CGI BOATS!!!” and nobody ever called them on their shit.
i just hate it. it’s bloated.
October 8th, 2012 at 8:22 PM
That’s where I disagree the most. Not saying you don’t have a point about the accent and all that, but I thought the fight scene with Hector was great
October 8th, 2012 at 8:24 PM
to each his own, and all that…brad pitt almost lost me with his achilles. thank god for aldo raine.
October 8th, 2012 at 8:27 PM
How’s looper? One coming in january by del toro called Mama looks creepy as hell
Del toro made pans labyrinth
October 8th, 2012 at 8:29 PM
Yeah, we can agree Inglorious Basterds was bad ass right? I actually didn’t realize the same chick who played Helen in Troy was Bridget Van Whatshername in Basterds until just now
October 8th, 2012 at 8:32 PM
I thought folks were saying prometheus was not all that. That trailer for the dvd keeps tempting me
October 8th, 2012 at 8:35 PM
I really liked Prometheus. I’m not nearly the critic Spencer is but visually I thought that movie was amazing
October 8th, 2012 at 8:41 PM
Thanks x
October 8th, 2012 at 9:32 PM
Prometheus gets worse the more you think about it…for those who have seen it, this is good
October 8th, 2012 at 10:43 PM
i really wish i hadn’t seen that…i enjoyed prometheus and wanted to watch the director’s cut. now it’s ruined forever.
October 9th, 2012 at 1:11 PM
Short FG’s kill your team’s momentum and their mojo as well.