NFL Post Game Handshakes, Week 5: Tillman and Briggs Make Pick-Six History, While Reggie Wayne Is Better Than Ever
This week’s post-game handshakes go to a defense that accomplished a rare feat in the span of seven days, a wide receiver who defies aging, and another who defies the law of physics. We also have a few wags of the finger, most notably for Marvin Lewis.
Bearing Down on Defense: The older guys in Chicago are bringing it defensively. What a week! They followed up the five interception, two touchdown game against Romo with two more pick sixes against Jacksonville in the second half sparking a rout. It was Charles Tillman and Lance Briggs again with the double, this time with matching 36-yard returns.
How notable is this? No team has had three games in one season where they had multiple interception return touchdowns, going back to 1940. Chicago now joins ten other teams with two such games in the same year. They did it in one calendar week, and now have eleven more games remaining.
Tillman and Briggs also become only the second set of teammates to pair up for the feat in both games, joining Otis Smith and Ty Law of the 2001 Patriots.
Reggie Wayne not done yet: Continuing the age before beauty thing, it’s amazing what a good quarterback does for the wrinkles. Watching passes sail by from Curtis Painter, Wayne looked closer to done as he hit his 33rd birthday. We chuckled a bit when Andrew Luck said Reggie Wayne was the most famous person in his cell phone, but he knows how to respect authority. Yesterday, after playing for a decade with Peyton Manning, Wayne went out and had the game of his career. 212 yards, 13 catches, and the game winning touchdown. For the year, Wayne already has over 500 receiving yards in 4 games. Not bad for the soon to be 34 year old.
Better Chargers Vault: Ryan Mathews or Gary Anderson in 1986? Ryan Mathews held on to the football and went airborne to score in the third quarter last night. It brought back memories of this Gary Anderson leap back in the days of Dan Fouts.
Hey, Marvin Lewis, 4 > 3! Yesterday, Marvin Lewis opted for a field goal on 4th and 5 from the Miami 23 with three minutes remaining. He was down by four points. I broke down the mind numbingly awful decision yesterday, and it cut the Bengals chances of winning almost in half with that one call, and if you want to see the specifics, check it out.
Of course, Mike Nugent then missed it anyway.
I’ll just add that choosing to kick in this situation is playing for multiple things that must go right, rather than one. Seems like coaches actually overthink this one, or believe in things that don’t match the reality of getting stops, getting points, or how dire the situation is.
I’ll note that Romeo Crennel also kicked with 4:34 left down by 6 at the Baltimore 13 on a 4th and 9. Kansas City cut it to 9-6 but never got the ball back as Ray Rice grinded out the clock. Crennel’s decision was only acceptable in comparison to Lewis (less chance of success, more time remaining) but it was still sub-optimal. Oh, wait, they were down 6 so two field goals only ties, then you still need to win in OT? I don’t have the energy to point out how specifically awful that decision is.
Percy Harvin for MVP? Percy Harvin has been electric this season. Yesterday, he “whole team teamed” the Titans on the way to his second touchdown of the day. There is some buzz about Harvin for MVP, as he is an all-purpose machine and can play a role as a return man, running back, slot receiver and catching passes behind the line on screens and swing passes, as well as downfield. While it would be hard for a non-quarterback to be most valuable, Harvin will test that by playing several roles that add up to one thing for opponents: trouble.
49ers Roll, Bills Roll Over: San Francisco is the first team ever to have 300 yards passing and 300 yards rushing. Which means the Bills were the first team to surrender that (science). Alex Smith had a huge day passing, Michael Crabtree and Vernon Davis both had over 100 yards, and everyone living within a 5 mile radius of the Bay Area had a five yard gain on the ground.
The last time a team gave up 550 or more yards in consecutive games? You’ve got to go back to the 1950 New York Yanks. That team was quarterbacked by the immortal George Ratterman, who I’m telling you had no help. Ryan Fitzpatrick is no George Ratterman, though.
Big Ben and Mike Tomlin, Bros: Caption this one, loyal readers. Too many possibilities as they share a hug awaiting the game winning field goal.
Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin discussion won’t be over for a long time: Opponents matter. Let’s say it again. Opponents matter. It’s bad enough that quarterback stats reflect a lot of other things including how good your teammates are, but in the short term, who you play makes a big deal.
So when Robert Griffin III lit up the Saints and Andrew Luck struggled against the Bears, there was instant proclamation that Griffin was better. As we look back, and see how other quarterbacks have performed against those two teams, it comes into focus. Luck played pretty well (compare what Rodgers and Romo did, and then how Bradford and Gabbert were destroyed), while everyone has enjoyed success against the Saints.
The same is true this week, where Griffin played his toughest opponent vs. the pass, and he was having his worst game before being knocked out in the second half. Hopefully, he’ll come back soon, and he will have better days as well.
Through five weeks, we can say that both are–already–above average passers. Most of the difference between the two in raw stats can be accounted so far by schedule. Luck’s opponents had allowed 5.4 adjusted net yards per attempt; Griffin’s 6.05. That will swing the rest of the year. Washington’s average opponent against the pass will stay about the same, but Luck’s schedule opens up, a full yard easier thinks to drawing several easier matchups, notably Tennessee twice. Don’t expect the comparisons to go away any time soon.
What Is This? When Jay Cutler and Mike Tice get together on the sidelines, magic happens. Not sure what this is, but pretty sure I now have to add the NSFW tag to this post. We believe this to be Rusty Jones, strength and conditioning coach. Perhaps this is the Rusty Trombone that Vikings beat writer Tom Pelissero was seeking.
Fourth Down Log
We’ll continue to log fourth and one decisions in close games (10 points or less). Honorable mention this week needs to go to Chicago going at midfield in a 3-3 game early in the third quarter. It eventually turned into a rout, but that conversion gave Chicago the lead for good.
1. Miami went at the Cincinnati 38, just before half, leading 7-6. They were stuffed, but held the Bengals on the following possession. Miami later also kicked a field goal from Cincinnati 28, already up 17-6 in the third quarter. Miami eventually won by 4.
2. Indianapolis went in the first quarter at the GB 44, and failed, in a scoreless game. Packers scored a touchdown next posssession. Colts eventually won by 3.
3. Baltimore punted at KC 46, up 3-0 in 2nd quarter. Punt netted 11 yards after return. Kansas City scored a field goal on next drive. Baltimore eventually won by FG.
4. Facing 4th and 1 from BAL 43 with 12 seconds left in half and no timeouts, Chiefs punted.
5. In fourth quarter down 6, Eagles twice went on 4th and 1, converting both as they eventually scored to take lead 14-13. Steelers got a field goal to win it 16-14.
6. Atlanta punted at own 43 in tie game end of first quarter for a touchback.
7. Washington punted from own 45 in third quarter in tie game, it was downed at the 2. Redskins got a field goal two possessions later to take lead, eventually lost by 7.
8. Up 6-0 with under 3 minutes left in first half, Seattle punted from CAR 43 up 6-0. Ball was downed at 9. Carolina scored a field goal right before end of half. Seattle eventually won by 4.
9. 4th and goal with just over 3 minutes left, down 6. Carolina went for touchdown, Newton pass was incomplete. Seattle eventually took an intentional safety, Carolina got ball back with just under a minute left, and Newton threw interception to end game. The decision to go was obviously the correct one (see Marvin Lewis)
10. Denver went early in the fourth quarter, Willis McGahee dropped the pass. Later, Denver went again, and Manning hit Demaryius Thomas with a big 28 yard pass. McGahee fumbled two plays later, effectively ending the game.
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October 8th, 2012 at 10:23 AM
NFL Postgame Handshakes > Silver’s Morning Rush > King’s MMQB
/suck up
October 8th, 2012 at 10:26 AM
It’s only Jax, but I’m loving my Bears 29:1 to win the Super Bowl pick. If only Forte can stay healthy and Cutler can avoid a meltdown … NFC sure looks wide open.
No, i don’t fear Atlanta and Mike Smith.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:27 AM
only thing that would make this better is touching on all games, but quantity would dilute quality.
good stuff, week in week out so far on this column.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:28 AM
The NFL landscape in early October rarely resembles that of late December. Just stay healthy and afloat until after Thanksgiving.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:28 AM
Of my fantasy team, definitely. Love that Ponder doesn’t throw down field.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:29 AM
There is some buzz about Harvin for MVP, as he is an all-purpose machine
this guy is my favorite football player. I don’t even care that he plays for the Vikes.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:31 AM
*yawn*
–People who watch LeSean McCoy every week.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:31 AM
Simmons’ latest mailbag really irritated me, going on and on about how there’s no real MVP candidate so far other than Matt Ryan. The Vikings are nowhere without Harvin.
That’s looking awfully good right now. But they might be peaking at the wrong time.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:32 AM
Someone else will need to beat San Fan. Cutler would be a disaster against that defense.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:32 AM
that’s like saying I hope ice cream doesn’t melt on a hot day.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:32 AM
Seems like coaches actually overthink this one, or believe in things that don’t match the reality of getting stops, getting points, or how dire the situation is.
My favorite dumb NFL coach logic is the fear of being beaten by two field goals. Or the reverse, where you can get the job done with 2 field goals. Each is provisional on either your offense, or their offense becoming a late game turtle.
Marvin Lewis is living proof that if you’re willing to work cheap for a cheap organization, they’ll be loath to fire you.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:33 AM
And I know Percy played in every game laast year, but there’s no way he can go back to back years staying healthy, is there?
October 8th, 2012 at 10:33 AM
He hasn’t been forced to since the offense manages 1st and 2nd down so well. But when he has thrown past 10 yards he’s been spot on. The bomb to Percy in the 1st quarter was friggin perfect.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:34 AM
*yawn*
–People who watch LeSean McCoy every week.
I like it when they don’t give him the ball. That’s my favorite part of Eagles games, besides when Maclin has to go to the sidelines because he got knocked over.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:35 AM
Has a Wide Receiver ever won MVP?
October 8th, 2012 at 10:35 AM
That’s the last time I let Tony Siragusa inform me on anything. Chunk said they were the only ones to do it. Looks like the Bear defense still has some gas left in the tank. Lovie Smith’s in game adjustments have been pleasantly surprising. Now he’s got two weeks to prepare for a Lions team that hasn’t lived up to their 2012 expectations. Weeks 10 and 11 will be major litmus tests for the Bears.
The Colts did Chicago a big favor. Thanks, Luck. I also like this weekly recap.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:35 AM
“Let’s not turn this hug in to a rape, okay big fella?”
October 8th, 2012 at 10:35 AM
Pointless but irritating: Vikings ball, 23 point lead, 2 minutes left. Webb takes a knee… Titans call time out. But hey, it got Rusty Smith some snaps, because that’s really important.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:36 AM
Peyton sure could’ve used Reggie Wayne yesterday..
October 8th, 2012 at 10:37 AM
probably jerry rice, and as we all know, Percy Harvin is on par with Rice in his prime.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:37 AM
Not the AP MVP, but I think Jerry Rice won the Writers MVP sometime in the 80s
October 8th, 2012 at 10:37 AM
The 49ers set a franchise yardage record against the Bills yesterday. You know, the franchise that had JOE MONTANA and JERRY FUCKING RICE. Fuck Wannstache.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:37 AM
Jerry Rice is the MVP of my heart.
/Ballz
October 8th, 2012 at 10:38 AM
Tillman and briggs are HOF candidates. Seriously
October 8th, 2012 at 10:38 AM
Nah. Wideouts that put up big numbers are usually black and they give the award to the white QB every time in that situation.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:38 AM
Thom Brennaman asking if the Packers should go for two after making it 27-22 might have annoyed me more than all the happenings of that second half
October 8th, 2012 at 10:38 AM
Has a Wide Receiver ever won MVP?
Nope. Not even Jerry Rice in his most amazing seasons. Not even Randy Moss, when he was clearly the league’s most valuable player.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:39 AM
Another one for your 4th down log, Lisk. The Niners up by over 30 points went for it on 4th and 1 from about the 37 yard line. They ran a naked bootleg with Alex Smith and he scampered inside the 15 and slid down. Harbaugh has a little Dana Holgorson in him. Never lets up on the gas.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:39 AM
That McGahee drop was so a killer.
And how Thomas can haul in one-handed catches, over-the-shoulder catches or something in double coverage but cough it up twice while running in the open field is perplexing.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:39 AM
In 1987.
Granted we can’t use non-official awards or that asinine point TBL made about some guy winning the Defensive RotY last year would be valid.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:40 AM
I didn’t read it. Hope he mentioned JJ Watt.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:40 AM
Surprised no mention of the Pats going for 4th and 5 early in the 4th quarter trying to ice the game and giving the Broncos very good field position. Very reminiscent of 4th and 2 and I was dry heaving waiting for it to turn out the same way.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:40 AM
He’s terrible. Way too much opinion for a play-by-play guy. Just call the game, asshole.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:40 AM
if there was ever a WR to catch all the teams receiving TD’s and amass a vast percentage of the teams receiving yards i think you can make an argument for them being MVP, but they won’t be on a winning team.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:40 AM
Oh yeah, I think Elway or Randall Cunningham won a couple of those in the late 80′s. But those probably hold less weight than offensive player of the year. Which probably doesn’t need to exist.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:41 AM
At least twice a game Brent Celek takes shots to the head that should also send him to the sidelines, but he doesn’t go. With a history of concussions.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:42 AM
there was s faint karmic retribution when Peyton went for it on 4th and 2 or 3 and mcgahee dropped the pass running almost the same route kevin faulk ran.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:42 AM
Moss should be a two time MVP, 98 and 07. Those teams would’ve been shells of themselves without him.
Of course not.
Creepiest laugh on broadcast TV
October 8th, 2012 at 10:43 AM
if there was ever a WR to catch all the teams receiving TD’s and amass a vast percentage of the teams receiving yards i think you can make an argument for them being MVP, but they won’t be on a winning team.
sounds like you’re talking about Calvin Johnson, last season. Maybe he didn’t have an MVP argument, but he had a “league’s best player” argument, for sure.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:44 AM
Brian Sipe and Rich Gannon have MVP awards but Randall Cunningham, Randy Moss and Jerry Rice don’t.
Yeah try and tell me there’s not a racist culture amongst football writers.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:45 AM
At least twice a game Brent Celek takes shots to the head that should also send him to the sidelines, but he doesn’t go. With a history of concussions.
That’s the Todd Heap syndrome. Jason Witten has it, too. You might as well just buy those guys an XXXLT T shirt with a target on it, to make sure their brains are available for study in a few years.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:45 AM
At least twice a game Brent Celek takes shots to the head that should also send him to the sidelines, but he doesn’t go. With a history of concussions.
That’s the Todd Heap syndrome. Jason Witten has it, too. You might as well just buy those guys an XXXLT T shirt with a target on it, to make sure their brains are available for study in a few years.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:45 AM
Anthony Munoz also should’ve gotten it over Boomer Esiason in I think 88
October 8th, 2012 at 10:46 AM
That’s because he’s drunk on Captain Morgan the entire game.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:46 AM
Yes, absolutely
If this is the last we see Brady v Manning, I’m just so happy Peyton gave us a McKayla Maroney face
October 8th, 2012 at 10:47 AM
That guy was a lunatic. Flacco would float one over the middle and Heap would somehow get hit by 3 linebackers at once and still catch it.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:47 AM
yeah, i mean, the thing megatron had going against him was the 3300 yards or so that were thrown to other WR on the team, as well as the 20+ td’s thrown to other WR on the team.
my argument is, and taking into account the argument that WR don’t get the ball w/o the QB, is to have such a shitty QB/QBs on the roster and absolutely no other option to throw the ball to, that the WR in question gets 95% of all passing plays.
however, that would mean the team is shit and they won’t get any votes.
until we see a 7’2″ WR that can jump and run and catch and dominates everyone.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:49 AM
until we see a 7’2″ WR that can jump and run and catch and dominates everyone.
that guy would get a high ankle sprain on his first day of NFL practice, after getting bulldog tackled once. And he’d never make it back from it.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:49 AM
i was glad to see the peyton manning face early with the Thomas fumble. brought back some good memories.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:50 AM
In ’98 Cunningham won one of the unofficial MVP awards over Moss, which makes sense judging by what you’re saying.
Terrell Davis won the real one though because he played for everyone’s favorite White QB Who Refused to Play for His Employer and Got a Free Pass because He’s White.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:50 AM
“How did he do such amazing stunts with such small hands?”
/ Hedley Lamar’d
October 8th, 2012 at 10:50 AM
If the Bears are “peaking” early I hate to see when they level out or fall. They had terrible first halves a few games in a row and beat bad teams in the second halves of those games. And they lost a winnable game because their QB shit his pants against team with a pretty decent pass rush. They have shit load of stuff to work on before they peak. Also, Jay’s laser like concentration on Marshall is going to lose them some games. He isn’t even going through his reads half the time.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
which is a shame b/c i’d love to see those 5’10″ corners try to cover and tackle him. there would be at least one play where there are 3 CB’s clinging to him and he drags them into the end zone.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
LOL.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
Are there any individual awards in the NFL that people genuinely care about?
October 8th, 2012 at 10:52 AM
the best thing about the Brady-Manning rivalry is when Peyton tagged Eli in. I feel like that should be embarrassing to all parties involved.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:52 AM
The PHEEEEEL SEEEEEEEEEEEEEIMS All-Iron Team
/no
October 8th, 2012 at 10:53 AM
Do we do a TV review of Homeland around here? Because last night’s episode was awesome.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:53 AM
tillman 30 forced fumbles 32 INTs 7TD
October 8th, 2012 at 10:53 AM
gregg easterbrook’s rudy award for backhanded praise.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
Comeback Player of the Year since there’s still time for Chad Pennington to come out of retirement to win it for a third time
October 8th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
Not really. And appropriately so. It’s pretty much impossible to objectively compare an individual player’s value across teams and positions. Just give it to the best QB every year, it’s fine.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
That’s probably why they have such trouble getting into the Hall of Fame. Namath, on the other hand …
October 8th, 2012 at 10:55 AM
Defensively they’re as good as there is so far. But the average age there is pushing 30. We’ll see how they hold up after some guys get hurt.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:55 AM
Are there any individual awards in the NFL that people genuinely care about?
They usually get All Pro teams right, which is nice.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
TMQ was too busy writing “Game over” in his notebook after Lewis went for the FG to notice your diss.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
Ron Dayne winning Mama Simms’ blackberry cobbler that one year in Dallas was the height of his pro career, that one will always be special to me
October 8th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
No.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
Wide receivers aren’t the problem. The inexplicable fumbles aside, they have enough talent at that position to get by. The Mcgahee drop and fumble just killed them.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
Cool conspiracy bro! Can you do Heisman winners next?
October 8th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
i like you lisk…you’re not an asshole like that asshole crm.
/makes “get a load of that asshole” motion at crm
October 8th, 2012 at 10:57 AM
tillman 30 forced fumbles 32 INTs 7TD
Peanut Tillman on Dez Bryant was also the most lopsided man-on-man common sense battle in NFL history.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:57 AM
There is no reason he wouldn’t be playing basketball though
October 8th, 2012 at 10:57 AM
i like ROY awards, i think those are at least easy to judge on an individual level and you can eliminate team success from the equation as it’s always individual performance that trumps it.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:57 AM
Okay.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:57 AM
I thought Harold Carmichael was of Manute Bolian stature.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:58 AM
The Niners are the best defense in the NFL. I feel like that should be something easily agreed upon. It’s not even close.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:58 AM
Individual awards summed up: Pro Bowl being seen as more of an accomplishment by the ESPN sort of media than All Pro.
All been down hill since Denard Robinson won his third straight last year.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:58 AM
That team was quarterbacked by the immortal George Ratterman, who I’m telling you had no help. Ryan Fitzpatrick is no George Ratterman, though.
I didnt’ see that before (because reading about the bills’ suckitude is hella boring) but that is one funny callback.
October 8th, 2012 at 10:59 AM
his knees can’t take the hardwood.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
I was very upset CBS game me cleveland/NYg instead of Indy/Green Bay when I live in Southern Illinois!
October 8th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
I thought Harold Carmichael was of Manute Bolian stature.
he was listed as 6’9″. I remember liking Harold Carmichael, while hating the Eagles.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
Coop is a lock for Comeback Power Bottom of the Year.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
Seriously… we’re going to do him the service of mentioning his name? Shame on you Spencer and Nada.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
Ah. Ponder, Harvin and Peterson kind of changed altered my opinion about them. Chicago through Week 4 had the highest Defense DVOA at Football Outsiders, it’s only getting better after yesterday.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:01 AM
What about the giant TE from Georgia? What the hell is he up to?
October 8th, 2012 at 11:01 AM
As a MIA fan, you have to look at the decision by Philbin to kick a 53FG with 4 min left in the 3rd leading 17-6. Carpenter has sucked in FGs over 45 (10-25 over the last 3yrs) and cost you wins the last 2 games. MIA def had been playing lights out and should have punted and pinned CIN. I believe Philbin’s decision allowed for Lewis to make a bad decision later in the game.
/fock it, MIA won and now sits 2-3, 1 game back in the AFC East
October 8th, 2012 at 11:02 AM
i agree, but i think their wins have been against weak opponents. at this point we’re seeing the packers and lions aren’t nearly as good as they were a year ago, the vikings are turning out to be decent and the jets and bills are embarrassments.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:02 AM
Peanut Tillman on Dez Bryant was also the most lopsided man-on-man common sense battle in NFL history.
i’m going to take a chance and agree
October 8th, 2012 at 11:02 AM
either driving drunk or not living up to the hype…typical UGA.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:03 AM
Tony Gonzalez is 95% sure he is retiring after this year. I’m clutching at that 5%. We already need to find replacement for tippy-toes Turner. Don’t want to look for the next first ballot HOF Tight End too.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:03 AM
Tony Gonzalez is 95% sure he is retiring after this year. I’m clutching at that 5%. We already need to find replacement for tippy-toes Turner. Don’t want to look for the next first ballot HOF Tight End too.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:04 AM
Ah. Ponder, Harvin and Peterson kind of changed altered my opinion about them. Chicago through Week 4 had the highest Defense DVOA at Football Outsiders, it’s only getting better after yesterday.
you know i’m not going to look it up but i bet the bears d has scored nearly as much as the worst offenses
October 8th, 2012 at 11:04 AM
Yes it was. Saul better not keep what he found out at the end just to himself. Because if that happens and he gets killed that would be bullshit.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:04 AM
Well, a couple things. One is that they haven’t added opponent adjustments yet. Sort of important when you’ve played the schedule the Bears have.
Also, we sort of have a track record here with the Niners. They had a bad game against the Vikings, sort of*, but watching them most of the time you get the sense they may even be better than last year.
*Peterson ran for 86 yards on 25 carries and Ponder threw for 198. They didn’t exactly light it up.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:05 AM
Seriously… we’re going to do him the service of mentioning his name? Shame on you Spencer and Nada.
worse…they know how to spell his first name (but so do you)
October 8th, 2012 at 11:06 AM
I can almost tolerate Chicago now that Ricky Manning Jr is gone. He always struck me as about as unlikable a dude as possible.
/wiki just told me he’s coaching high school football
//of course he is
October 8th, 2012 at 11:06 AM
With the Rams visiting next week, they could move into Wild Card contention in the dreadful AFC.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:06 AM
On another note, Andy Reid going for it on fourth and 1 with like 7 minutes left on his own 30 (down 6) was truly a pleasant surprise.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:06 AM
It would be pretty easy to replace him. They could upgrade big time by drafting Eifert.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:06 AM
Newton’s pass was the lamest lame duck that ever was. It’s like he forgot how to throw a football and the receiver was wide open.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:07 AM
I believe the example I heard was they’ve scored more in their last 3 games than the Jets offense has
October 8th, 2012 at 11:07 AM
of course…you cant read one of his articles without the qualifier “the tastefully named” before any dude named gregg who spells it with the extra g.
attention to detail, and all that.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:07 AM
I agree. But what are the alternatives?
Saul is a mole? Or Brody gets taken down and the show ends?
October 8th, 2012 at 11:08 AM
Anyone still watching Boardwalk?
Saw Nucky shooting that kid coming a mile away. Pretty outstanding scene.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:09 AM
Percy Harvin for MVP?
Better than Matt Ryan for MVP.
Are there any individual awards in the NFL that people genuinely care about?
MVP and SB MVP are about it. Name me the last five DPOY without looking it up and I’ll add it to the list.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:09 AM
Vikings look pretty legit… at least compared to what I expected. They’ll have bumps, and I can’t wait to pick against them next week, but if they are smart enough to not overuse Peterson, they could be in the 7-9 win range pretty easily. (I had expected 4-6). It’s not as impressive now, but they might be the second-best team in the NFC North when all is said is done, and they were the one team from the division that was expected to not make the playoffs.
I also think Locker is legit in TN, and if the FO ever got the balls to send CJ home, they might be okay in a couple years.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:09 AM
does the show end when it’s been more about Claire Danes’s character than Brody’s?
October 8th, 2012 at 11:09 AM
agreed.
thought eli’s stuff at the end was really good too. loved capone singing the lyric “your buddy missed you” while eli and nucky were talking before the credits. nice lil touch…got me all sentimentally.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:10 AM
They had McCoy in the backfield, if Polamalu is playing he’s stopped. That was a hell of a drive to take the lead. No shame in getting Roethlisberger’d at the end, happens all the time.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:10 AM
Dallas may be a team full of morons but there’s a lot more talent on offense than most teams have. Plus I don’t always buy the “They haven’t played anyone” thing. They shut down shitty offenses like St Louis and Jax like they were supposed to.
They are, on offense. Their defense looks as good as ever but I don’t think they’re getting career years out of Justin Smith and Carlos Rogers again. Still the Niners are freaking scary.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:10 AM
Saved the episode. I don’t pay attention to the writers/directors of each episode but the tone seemed a lot different in last nights show.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:11 AM
Oh yeah, I think Happy’s bit about still being able to like a show while knowing it’s not outstanding applies to that one…the whole doesn’t seem to equal the sum of it’s parts but bits like what you said are still the goods, at some point it has to come out that Owen diddles Mrs. Schroeder, right?
One positive in last night’s episode was it didn’t involve Gyp getting pissed off at someone saying “Good morning”
October 8th, 2012 at 11:11 AM
doyel does it too, categorically
October 8th, 2012 at 11:11 AM
Was the officiating in the Saints Chargers game really bad or was it just me? I was only watching in between innings of Reds Giants, but it seemed like every time I was on the game the Saints were the benefactors of some borderline call.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:11 AM
It won’t be that easy to take Brody down. Yet. I seriously hate that terrorist reporter.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:11 AM
Probably not. But 99% of Dane’s character has been dedicated to Brody.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:12 AM
OOO!!! totally forgot about that lil bit. makes nucky’s warning all the much juicier!!!
October 8th, 2012 at 11:12 AM
Those are pretty outstanding numbers….Peanut has been real good for a while now. quietly stacking up HOF numbers
October 8th, 2012 at 11:12 AM
Judging by all the soiled panties of Saint fans today, I’d say consecutive game TD record is a combination of Nobel Prize for curing AIDS along with whatever prize the SEAL member got for taking the kill shot on Osama.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:12 AM
Polamalu, Harrison… uh… Ed Reed? Um… Lambert… Page… Bryce Paup… yeah, no idea
October 8th, 2012 at 11:13 AM
Yeah I like the new Eli plotline. Because Mickey isn’t a straight historical character they can kill him soon hopefully. Would think Eli has to kill him sooner or later.
Last night I fast forwarded through her scenes again and didn’t miss anything. Worst character on television right now.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:13 AM
Me too. She’s expendable. Needs to die. Maybe that’s who Brody was chasing through the woods in the preview for the next show.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:13 AM
Harrison, Polahairdo, T-Sizzle…um Ware maybe? Good point
October 8th, 2012 at 11:14 AM
Revis was one. Did Haynesworth or Suh win for their dominating years at DT?
October 8th, 2012 at 11:14 AM
Funny how everyone gets excited and has an opinion about certain teams after Week 1 in the NFL and how that turns 180 degrees around 4-6 weeks later.
DAL week 1….OMG they beat the defending SB champions!!!! They’re gonna be awesome!!!!
DAL Week 5……Dude, Romo sucks, get rid of him!
NYJ week 1…..Did you see how many pts they put up??? They’re gonna roll people this yr, especially with that Rex Ryan DEF!!!!
NYJ week 5….I hope HOU doesn’t score 40 pts tonite. Plus, we might see Tebow, our season’s in the shitter!!!!
DEN week 1….Peyton is back baby!!!!! SB in DEN here we come!
DEN week 5…Peyton still CANT beat Tom. We miss Tebow!!!!!!!!!!!
GB week 1….It’s ok, SF is a championship caliber team, it’s only one loss. We’ll be fine
GB week 5….OMG!!!!! what happened to our OFF????
The NFL changes every week.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:14 AM
Chris Johnson is seriously amazing to watch. He truly does not give a fuck. Any coach with any kind of balls would bench his ass.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:14 AM
Was the officiating in the Saints Chargers game really bad or was it just me?
the horrible offensive PI call on gates on the last bolts drive was enough to make up for the rest of the game, if it was any good the first 59 minutes
October 8th, 2012 at 11:15 AM
Owen has been a silent assassin the entire time, except when he was with Mrs. Schroeder, and then all of a sudden he’s a happy-go-lucky dude, smiling at the thief, etc.? I want him to go back to being lethal and that’s about it.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:15 AM
Yeah I’m presuming it will end up with Nucky catching her fucking the young doctor then her spilling the beans about fucking Owen.
Could tell Owen was worried that Nucky saw that kid as the new Jimmy. Which he probably did and is why he shot him.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:15 AM
she’s a prohibition era skylar white.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:15 AM
What about my Grand Children!?
/Gemma Teller
October 8th, 2012 at 11:15 AM
Christ, Revis wasn’t one. He was great one year, but couldn’t hold on to the award… probably because it didn’t look like a jersey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_Defensive_Player_of_the_Year_Award
October 8th, 2012 at 11:17 AM
I’m guessing it’s probably the Marine who knows Brody is full of shit about Tom Walker.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:17 AM
Should remember Charles Woodson’s one since I think it spawned 10 posts here in protest of the grave injustice against Revis
October 8th, 2012 at 11:18 AM
I was explaining to a Titans fan why I don’t respect the franchise. They acted like losers giving in to CJ before, acted like losers letting him play. At some point you have to dress for the job you want, not the one you have.
Number one rule in making picks is to not get sucked in early by how teams look. You just have to pretend you are smarter than everyone else, more stubborn than everyone else, etc. If you think the Steelers are old and have a crappy offensive line, don’t pick them just because they returned old guys on defense and won a few games.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:18 AM
i’ve never been so annoyed by a character on that show before.
are any grandparents actually like that?
October 8th, 2012 at 11:19 AM
Makes more sense but there is always hope.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:19 AM
Sorry I meant on shows that aren’t fucking awful.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:20 AM
Lawrence Taylor won Defensive player of the year as a rookie? Damn, that’s impressive.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:21 AM
I refuse to pay for anything past basic cable (getting upgraded free for now), so I have never seen Homeland, but if I get Netflix again I’m gonna have to watch it… it’s talked about a lot here in pretty high terms.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:21 AM
I think Woddson winning it over Revis Island the year Revis was outstanding was probably the last time I cared about the DPOY award.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:22 AM
I love having Percy “Mercy” Harvin on my fantasy team. He’s great.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:23 AM
as long as farrow spills some intestines at some point, don’t really even care about this anymore. would nucky really care about owen fucking mrs schroeder? he’s not her biggest fan anymore.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:23 AM
Skylar White is a prohibition era Skylar White, only it’s a different kind of prohibition.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:24 AM
MVP and SB MVP are about it. Name me the last five DPOY without looking it up and I’ll add it to the list.
TSizzle
Ed Reed
Woodson
Polamalu
then maybe that tiny safety from the Colts who could never stay healthy, but did five years ago?
October 8th, 2012 at 11:25 AM
would nucky really care about owen fucking mrs schroeder? he’s not her biggest fan anymore.
wasn’t the chick Owen was screwing at the beginning Nucky’s current GF? Or am I super confused?
October 8th, 2012 at 11:26 AM
I’m starting to really enjoy the Polamalu – Bob Sanders comparisons.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:27 AM
Well, as he always points out, he’s tastefully named.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:29 AM
I refuse to pay for anything past basic cable (getting upgraded free for now), so I have never seen Homeland, but if I get Netflix again I’m gonna have to watch it… it’s talked about a lot here in pretty high terms.
I would never spend money to entertain myself. Never.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:29 AM
i thought so as well…they look alike, but nucky’s is in NYC.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:29 AM
Contract the Bills
October 8th, 2012 at 11:29 AM
No, it was horrendous.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:30 AM
The chick at the beginning was a housemaid that worked for Nucky last season. Nucky’s current girlfriend is somebody different. They look very similar, except in the chest area.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:30 AM
i thought so as well…they look alike, but nucky’s is in NYC.
then I absent-mindedly miswatched the whole episode. I thought Nucky had called him at Nucky’s GF’s house, and caught him unabashedly screwing his girl.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:31 AM
I’m waiting for the acorns that Nucky’s NYC roadbeef is storing in her cheek pouches to become a plotline.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:32 AM
now that would’ve been fun.
unfortunately no…but at the same time, you gotta figure nucky’s gonna do something about lily’s BF (or however her name is spelled). thought there was some foreshadowing about him taking the razor out of her medicine cabinet an episode or two back, but nothing ever came of it…
October 8th, 2012 at 11:33 AM
they really squirreled away that storyline in the last episode, didn’t they.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:52 AM
If TV gets better, sure… but for the 3 shows I really want to watch, it’s not worth $120 a month or whatever that shit costs.
October 8th, 2012 at 12:26 PM
Best thing the Chiefs could do for Matt Cassel right now is put him on IR for the rest of the season and quietly release him in the offseason. When your OC designs a game plan to specifically ensure you have as minimal an impact as possible on the game and you are the starting QB, you are done (especially when you still manage to turn it over 3-4 times).
Yes, the fans were wrong to cheer the injury, but I think it was more a reflection of frustration towards the organization and futility as a whole.
October 8th, 2012 at 1:13 PM
In 71 Alan Page was named MVP of the NFL.