MLS Drawing 66,452 in Seattle is Great, But TV Ratings Remain Abysmal
The Seattle Sounders drew 66,452 fans for an MLS game Sunday Night. David Beckham was not playing. Fans, more than three NFL games and every MLB playoff game, filled CenturyLink to see the rivalry game with Portland. ProSoccerTalk’s Richard Farley described the scene:
If there was a difference between CenturyLink’s crowd and those you’d see in other famous venues, it was the distinctly North American feel. Though the stadium was a sea of Seattle green, the atmosphere wasn’t defined by supporter chants. ECS and the 1,500 Timbers Army members who’d made the trip north saw their songs and taunts drowned out by applause, grasps, and cheers – the soundtrack you’d hear at football, baseball, and basketball games.
When excitement waned and the nervous murmur died down, the supporters’ would fill the void, just as the songs and cheers at other sporting events attack the idle moments. The more conventional atmosphere was neither good nor bad, better or worse, but it was familiar for anybody who’s used to taking their family to see one of the nation’s big three sports. They would have felt at home. No, this wasn’t a Seahawks game, but the atmosphere was little different.
Bringing in 66,000 was a one-off – the Sounders average around 42,000 – but it’s worth noting MLS draws more fans per game than the NBA or the NHL. That’s impressive for the now teenage league, but it is no benchmark for mainstream penetration. The penetration that matters is in television. There, MLS lags well behind other domestic leagues and even other brands of soccer.
The NBA finals drew a 10.1 rating, which was a mild disappointment. The 2.7 rating for the Stanley Cup Finals proved a major disappointment. Both obliterated the MLS Cup Final, which drew an 0.8 rating. Just looking at soccer, the MLS Cup Final was outdrawn by the UEFA Champions League Final and by the Euro 2012 Final. It attracted fewer viewers than a replay of a Chelsea vs. Liverpool EPL match shown the same day.
MLS has cultivated and catered to the live experience in new markets. That is estimable. We enjoy the odd game and the varied beer selection at Red Bull Arena. But while the EPL, the Champions League and the US Men’s and Women’s national teams have made steady headway on television, MLS penetration has been minimal.
The locus of sports fandom has shifted from the live event to television. It is in the process of shifting to a post-television landscape of ubiquitous Internet and mobile devices. In that climate there are no barriers to a new soccer fan in the US eschewing MLS to follow Chelsea. It presents fewer schedule conflicts, it is easier to find on TV and it is more entertaining.
Americans are embracing soccer. To entice them MLS needs to improve its on-the-field product and to market itself better.
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October 8th, 2012 at 11:25 AM
Thank God for this. We’re Americans first, soccer fans second. Songs/chants at games should be limited to mocking Native Americans.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:27 AM
Well, yes. Thanks for clarifying.
I will fully admit to being a huge soccer fan who barely watches the MLS. I watched some of the Portland-Seattle game but mainly the Yankees-O’s and Chargers-Saints game.
Actually, the timing of many European games on the weekend actually fits better in my schedule. I wake up on Saturday/Sunday morning, watch the EPL (mainly my Spurs), and then watch college football or NFL football.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:28 AM
Well we know MLB had higher ratings than this!!!
/Baseball is a dying sport though
October 8th, 2012 at 11:28 AM
I’m more impressed by Kansas City’s resurgence than these new MLS teams coming into the league. I remember watching Wizards game on tv with about 5,000 people at arrowhead stadium. But that new stadium has really turned things around for them.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:29 AM
Can someone explain the picture?
October 8th, 2012 at 11:29 AM
the Northwest loves its soccer.
Big stretch upcoming for the National team, too.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:31 AM
soccer is such a ghastly giant piece of shit as a sport, it deserves a royal flush
October 8th, 2012 at 11:32 AM
Yeah, but how? I get the feeling that MLS is pretty much maxed out as far as fan interest is concerned. Sure, if you get Messi or Ronaldo to come here at peak of their career that would drum up the tv ratings. But come on now, that’d never happen. Problem is that best players will still go to Europe.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:33 AM
You eat poop.
/Monday morning maturity
October 8th, 2012 at 11:34 AM
League doesn’t accommodate national team schedules. You don’t see real leagues continuing to play when there are international friendlies and tournaments going on. Hence, MLS is not a real league.
More and more the best real young American talent is getting picked up by European scouts anyhow. Kids like Pelosi aren’t ever going to see the field in America because the English teams set up academy networks here.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:34 AM
TARIFFS AND EMBARGOES!!!
October 8th, 2012 at 11:34 AM
October 8th, 2012 at 11:35 AM
lol.
funny thing is, i really don’t have anything against soccer. now baseball? yeesh.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:35 AM
It would draw bigger audiences if they marketed it as “footie” and noted that it can be watched “down the pub.”
October 8th, 2012 at 11:36 AM
I’m a big soccer fan and I can’t remember the last MLS game I saw — probably a Dynamo game when I was in Houston. That’s more down to not knowing when a game is on, tbh.
Does MLS need bigger TV ratings? Probably. But as long as every team is drawing capacity crowds to their stadiums and they’re in the consciousness of their city’s landscapes, I think they can get by. Ratings reflect demand and right now the demand for MLS is with its small but solid fanbase. As they grow, the demand will grow.
Hopefully they don’t end up on some backwater cable channel that no one can find.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:36 AM
MLS got two of the biggest five stars of European soccer of the last fifteen years to come and it didn’t change things measurably on the national stage.
Getting guys like Drogba and Anelka should have been a lock, but now you’re losing them to a league that can’t even guarantee its paychecks but because said checks are bigger when they DO arrive, they’ll go there.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:36 AM
That explains why Freddy Adu is back playing in the States.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:37 AM
It is what it is. MLS has a solid footing maybe they can grow the league at a glacial pace. But it’ll always be a feeder league. And quite frankly, I don’t see why that’s such a bad thing.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:37 AM
Are they? Based on my twitter feed, yes.
I’m one of the few who doesn’t think TBL’s ratings posts are totally ridiculous (though he obviously picks and chooses them to support his viewpoints). Do you have any ratings handy for EPL games or some other non-World Cup event which shows that America is embracing soccer? Legitimate curiosity…
October 8th, 2012 at 11:37 AM
I think the MLS can certainly continue to grow — I can’t imagine it being maxed out because soccer fans like me are out there waiting to become more interested.
I’m going to say that the kicker for me may be when D.C. United gets its new stadium at Buzzard Point (assuming it happens). I don’t really enjoy going out to RFK. It’s a shithole.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:37 AM
Even Pele couldn’t move the needle in the U.S.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:38 AM
Broadly, yeah there’s some implacable problems right now. But even little shit like tweaking the scheduling would help. MLS has its final go head to head with Sunday Night Football. MLS didn’t schedule games during the MLB All-Star Break lull when NOTHING was happening to not conflict with US Open Cup. Extended playoffs render the regular season almost meaningless. There are things that can be addressed.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:38 AM
The locus of sports fandom has shifted from the live event to television.
You can leave out the first three words of this sentence. And you probably would have, if you weren’t so interested in being impressive.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:38 AM
Aside from where he mentions EPL, Euro, and Champions League ratings in the post?
October 8th, 2012 at 11:39 AM
How much were the average tickets to this match, 50 cents? I recall a Pistons game in the Silverdome in the mid 80′s drawing a huge number in the Silverdome. Of course they couldn’t utilize all of the seats.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:39 AM
How much were the average tickets to this match, 50 cents? I recall a Pistons game in the Silverdome in the mid 80′s drawing a huge number in the Silverdome. Of course they couldn’t utilize all of the seats.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:39 AM
66k in attendance shows it’s being embraced…some hugs are bear hugs, some hugs are crotch-out hugs. it’s not like the MLS is major league lacrosse.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:39 AM
Oh absolutely. Ratings have been climbing steadily for years now. World Cup, Champions League, and the Euros are all more popular now than they were 10 years ago. There’s no question about that. Every tv ratings measure supports that viewpoint.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:39 AM
I think, and Duffy can correct me if I’m wrong, that Fox saw general success with showing EPL reruns in the afternoon game slots on Sundays even outside of the one he referenced above.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:40 AM
Eddie Johnson showed some technical ability that surprised me. The goal he scored and another ball he brought down w/ aplomb was impressive. Maybe going to England for a few years was good for him.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:40 AM
How much were the average tickets to this match, 50 cents?
I laughed a whole bunch at this.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:41 AM
Also I guess Jozy isn’t in the USMNT squad? Gotta love that Klinsmann and Sunil regime.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:41 AM
MLS is on TV? Who knew.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:41 AM
MLS needs to continue doing what it’s doing now. It needs to grow slowly and not try to compete with Europe or the big 3 sports in the US. The problem is that MLS is getting compared to actual major league sports rather than to minor league sports which is what MLS is no matter what the name tries to claim. The major leagues in the US for soccer are the Premier League and Champions League when it comes to TV.
I can guarantee that MLS ratings are higher than MLB’s ratings were when MLB was in its teen years.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:43 AM
Wouldn’t be surprised if there were some MLS games with ridiculously low price tickets. Actually, let me rephrase that. Would be surprised if there weren’t MLS games with ridiculously low price tickets. But this game in particular isn’t a good measure of that. People in Seattle and Portland truly care about their teams. There’s a big demand for this game.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:43 AM
/good joke
October 8th, 2012 at 11:43 AM
Yeah but the Nielsen Metric used in the 1880s was notoriously flawed.
What in the hell are you talking about?
October 8th, 2012 at 11:43 AM
I think the price range for Sounders games is like $10-30?
October 8th, 2012 at 11:45 AM
Can someone explain the picture?
Frank Sinatra and his Post-Apocalyptic Gang of Anarchists have decided to come play cards??
Do you have any ratings handy for EPL games or some other non-World Cup event which shows that America is embracing soccer? Legitimate curiosity
World Cups and Euro Cups tend to draw well (given they’re once every 4 years events). The Champions League and the Premier League do have support here — something that both ESPN and Fox can take credit for. I mean, after their noon NFL games, Fox replayed the Manchester United-Newcastle United game from that morning. You don’t do that just for shits and giggles.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:45 AM
It also doesn’t help that NBC airs games on the still impossible to find NBC Sports Network.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:45 AM
Jozy not being called in for the next group of qualifiers would be absurd.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:46 AM
Is it really that hard to find? I have it.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:47 AM
So, am I the only one turned on the America’s Cup for a bit yesterday? I wonder what kind of ratings sailing gets!
/i dont actually wonder
October 8th, 2012 at 11:47 AM
I don’t think MLS has to be as “good” as the European leagues. Duffy makes a good point in that they could be smarter with their scheduling.
Maybe MLS is only ever going to be a regional thing…..does real well in some markets (i.e.–the Pacwest) while it struggles in others. Hockey is similar, in that regard.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:48 AM
wanna know something weird? it’s cheaper to go to an NBA game than a WNBA game
October 8th, 2012 at 11:48 AM
People say this, even though it’s located where all the other sports channels are. On Comcast it goes- Comcast Sportsnet, NBC Sports, ESPN, ESPN 2…
October 8th, 2012 at 11:48 AM
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How much were the average tickets to this match, 50 cents? I recall a Pistons game in the Silverdome in the mid 80′s drawing a huge number in the Silverdome. Of course they couldn’t utilize all of the seats.
Wouldn’t be surprised if there were some MLS games with ridiculously low price tickets. Actually, let me rephrase that. Would be surprised if there weren’t MLS games with ridiculously low price tickets. But this game in particular isn’t a good measure of that. People in Seattle and Portland truly care about their teams. There’s a big demand for this game.
But is that something to knock them for? They know what they can charge fans and they make sure to get as many butts in seats.
If anything, the NBA and NHL (when they return) ought to do that more often and lower the cost of attending their games. Would avoid so many empty arenas in midweek.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:48 AM
Yeah, aside from those. Obviously I hadn’t clicked on them. While they are improving, they’re still at Gossip Girl ratings levels.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:48 AM
Maybe my favorite thing I’ve ever read on this site
October 8th, 2012 at 11:49 AM
gtfo.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:49 AM
20s to about 50 here in Columbus, averaging about 14k a game.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:49 AM
Yes, you also have FOX, with two soccer-specific networks of programming to fill, spending huge amounts on EPL, Champions League and World Cup and not giving a crap about losing MLS contract.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:51 AM
Yup. Also Al Jazeera creating an entire new North American network to air non-EPL leagues. There’s clearly a lot of money at stake here.
As for drawing “Gossip Girl” ratings, these things are in the morning and middle of the day, drawing millions of viewers at that time of day for a niche sport is outstanding.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:52 AM
I discovered that I have BeIN sport yesterday. Was able to watch the last 20 minutes of El Clasico.
Also discovered that Comcast has finally added Fox Soccer HD. That’s actually huge.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:53 AM
averaging about 14k a game.
see, immigrants do help the economy
October 8th, 2012 at 11:53 AM
This. Plus, can’t turn your nose at gossip girl-level ratings when before you used to draw C-Span ratings.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:53 AM
Al Jazeera created 2 new channels. Bein Sports USA and Bein Sports Espanol. They show different programming frequently.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:54 AM
I don’t think MLS has to be as “good” as the European leagues. Duffy makes a good point in that they could be smarter with their scheduling.
Agreed. More games need to be aired across the board.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:56 AM
the fuck is Bein?
October 8th, 2012 at 11:56 AM
More games need to be aired across the board.
youth soccer is horribly undercovered
October 8th, 2012 at 11:56 AM
The worst name evah for a tv network
October 8th, 2012 at 11:56 AM
well not on all of the seats, but’s over $200 to sit courtside at a chicago sky game and $115 for bulls tickets on courtside seats, at least that’s what it looked like
October 8th, 2012 at 11:57 AM
When I finally clicked the links I noticed Providence was the second highest market for one of those games. Wasn’t expecting that, as I’m guessing the “immigrant percentage” is lower there.
October 8th, 2012 at 11:57 AM
we are all immigrants htown
October 8th, 2012 at 11:58 AM
I didn’t think anything would top Versus but Bein managed to do it.
October 8th, 2012 at 12:00 PM
i thought it was Bien misspelled
October 8th, 2012 at 12:03 PM
Ton of central americans in Providence. Ton of Portuguese/Brazilians in Fall River/New Bedford MA which is considered the Providence market. The city of Providence itself is about 40% Hispanic.
October 8th, 2012 at 12:04 PM
Duffy’s point about the meaninglessness of the regular season is accurate – people still care to watch Lebron or Tom Brady play their respective sports even at half-pace, before the important games start. MLS is stuck between between the need for parity, and having a slew of undifferentiated teams, unwatchable except when a match has something at stake.
That said, MLS can easily become a top league in the Western Hemisphere just by sticking to common sense. There’s too much money and good infrastructure here to hold the league down relative to other countries in Latin America.
October 8th, 2012 at 12:04 PM
Duffy’s point about the meaninglessness of the regular season is accurate – people still care to watch Lebron or Tom Brady play their respective sports even at half-pace, before the important games start. MLS is stuck between between the need for parity, and having a slew of undifferentiated teams, unwatchable except when a match has something at stake.
That said, MLS can easily become a top league in the Western Hemisphere just by sticking to common sense. There’s too much money and good infrastructure here to hold the league down relative to other countries in Latin America.
October 8th, 2012 at 12:04 PM
Don’t Rhode Island and Connecticut have the largest percentages of Americans with Portuguese ancestry?
October 8th, 2012 at 12:05 PM
The city of Providence itself is about 40% Hispanic.
you anglos will be outnumbered by 2050
you’re in america! speak spanish!
October 8th, 2012 at 12:10 PM
Fans, more than three NFL games and every MLB playoff game, filled CenturyLink to see the rivalry game with Portland.No MLB stadium has capacity over like 58k. So it would be physically impossible.
Does any NHL/NBA arena have capacity about 30, 35K?
October 8th, 2012 at 12:12 PM
Yeah, there are tons of Portuguese-Americans, but probably mostly second or third generation. I had forgotten that New Bedford and Fall River are in that TV market. Providence may be 40% hispanic, but RI is only 12 percent, that’s why I was surprised by the high rating.
October 8th, 2012 at 12:14 PM
Nothing over 25k. In the NBA, Cleveland, Chicago, DC, and Philly all have around 22k.
In hockey only Montreal and Detroit have over 20k.
October 8th, 2012 at 12:22 PM
don’t shortsell the penetration in the computer.
October 8th, 2012 at 2:53 PM
I was actually angry about the Red Bulls losing to Chicago on Saturday. Think that means I am officially a fan.
October 9th, 2012 at 2:57 PM
Explaining the banner from Sounders fan point of view:
Portland likes to crown itself the King of Clubs. Last year, Portland unfurled a stadium-sized banner attesting to this.
Tonight, Seattle answered that claim with a poke at Portland. The mafia-esque card player holding the Royal Flush is Sigi Schmid, Sounders coach. His opponent at the card table is none other than Gavin Wilkinson (see his jacket spelling INSON), Timbers GM and interim coach. Gavin has gotten stuck with a hand featuring none other than the King of Clubs, which has just been trounced by Sigi playing a Royal Flush.
The banner was created by Seattle’s largest supporters group, the Emerald City Supporters, or ECS. It was in response to the banner last year by the Timbers’ counterpart, the Timbers’ Army. It was inspired by a banner done last year by Real Madrid, which was “All On White,” (Real’s color features white) and can be seen here:
http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/?p=12083
The display of large banners such as these at soccer games worldwide is known as “Tifo,” an Italian reference to Tifosi, or fans/supporters. Over 1000 hours of volunteer labor can go into creating a display of Tifo such as this.
Its what we do, its what they do, its part of what makes Soccer fun. Imagine being at the stadium right as players are done being announced, and the whole south end rolls out a nice hearty jab at the visiting fans sitting up in the northeast corner. Its a long tradition in Soccer, I think in America the closest might be some of the stuff that happens in college football.