Roundup: The Downfall of Billy Gillispie, One-Legged High School Soccer Player Scores Goal & Watch a Bull Attack People
Nicola McLean, who is big in London … congrats to Bruce Arthur, who was voted Canada’s best columnist in 2012 … awesome photo: Shark or dolphin? … he was awarded $7.2 million for popcorn lung … this yellowfin tuna – over 420 pounds – could be worth $1 million … US News & World Report releases its college rankings … if you’re a writer, here’s a job to apply for … what a fantastic, detailed piece on the McRib … “I want my donkey back” says man arrested for bestiality … no more animated avatars on twitter … anyone seeing The Master this weekend? …
Giants 36, Panthers 7. Embarrassing performance from Carolina, which trailed 20-0 and never made it interesting. [Observer]
Right now it feels like Matt Flynn could be stuck as a career backup. [Green Bay Press Gazette]
Back when I was in newspapers, one of the most fascinating people I covered was JR Smith. This is a great read. [Grantland]
Remember when Billy Gillispie was killin’ it at Texas A&M? Taking the Kentucky job was the beginning of the end for the coach. [Wetzel]
The best thing you’ll read about Martellus Bennett, the touchdown maker, this season. [NYT]
What, if anything, will Bud Selig do if steroid cheat Melky Cabrera wins the NL batting title? [Sports on Earth]
Danny O’Brien has been benched by the Badgers. Joel Stave will start in his place against UTEP. [JS Online]
Boise State 7, BYU 6. Yup, that was the final score. [Statesman]
Some extended thoughts on the Robinson Cano/twitter/PED kerfuffle. [Sports Media Guy]
Adrian Beltre popped a 2-run homer in the 9th and the Rangers beat the Angels. Anaheim is dangerously close to missing the postseason. [OC Register]
Chris Paul said all the right things in this interview. Watch him bolt next summer. [GQ]
Stephen Davis, best known for getting jacked up on the sidelines at practice by his teammate, Michael Westbrook, over a decade ago, got arrested for not paying taxes. [WCNC]
Greg Norman thinks Rory McIlroy intimidates Tiger Woods. [Fox Sports]
Tight ends rule in the NFL. [Star Tribune]
This is terrible. Help find this criminal, Seattle! [via James]
I’ll continue to enjoy bull fights on my computer as opposed to live. [via Adam]
We haven’t posted anything about Kate Upton lately, so here you go. [via Hot Clicks]
A goat was struggling in the water. A pig jumped in to make the save!
Tremendous goal here by a high school player with one leg. [via Bzref]
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September 21st, 2012 at 8:16 AM
There’s something else that is BIG there SFW
Jason, if we’re going to the English tart route, I got one for you for Monday.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:18 AM
Nicola McLean, who is big in Queefer’s internet search history.
Will anyone miss those seizure-inducing animated avatars?
September 21st, 2012 at 8:19 AM
Ok then…………………….
September 21st, 2012 at 8:19 AM
She’s alright.
Cam newton pulled the “they didn’t beat us, we beat ourselves” immature douche card. Grow up, take it like a man. You and your team sucked
September 21st, 2012 at 8:20 AM
She’d look a bit better if those melons went down a size
September 21st, 2012 at 8:21 AM
Buncha Groucho Marxes up in this joint.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:22 AM
or, impressive performance by the Giants. Eli killed it last night. Defensive line bottled up Cam, nicely.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:23 AM
Glad to see my “Cam Newton and the Panthers will suck this year” prediction is unfurling itself nicely. He’s a GD turnover machine.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:24 AM
So glad that MIA didn’t pull the trigger on this FA deal. Not saying that Tannehill is THE answer, but Flynn had like 3 career starts and you got beat out in camp by a guy who is 5″ smaller than you?? That 6 TD game vs DET last yr had people foaming at the mouth.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:25 AM
That pig is a pretty good swimmer.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:25 AM
Also, is it too much to ask for a little help from MLB in handing the Yankees a few fucking losses? Really, Toronto, you couldn’t take one GD game from them? Just one?
September 21st, 2012 at 8:26 AM
Giants D giving me a nice start to the fantasy week. I sat LaFell so that worked too.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:26 AM
Trout went 0-4 and is now hitting a blistering .257 for the month of September.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:27 AM
time for a retraction Mr. Kalil
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/07/panthers-ryan-kalil-promises-super-bowl-win-in-newspaper-ad/1#.UFxc3lGqvIU
September 21st, 2012 at 8:28 AM
Chelsea Chris, where were you yesterday during the Cabrera discussion?
September 21st, 2012 at 8:30 AM
oh, so we decide the MVP on one month alone?
September 21st, 2012 at 8:31 AM
Thought that meant the meat, but its some world record prize. Any idea how much 400 lbs of tuna is worth?
September 21st, 2012 at 8:32 AM
The McRib article is interesting, and the use of the term “arbirrage” reminded me that I wanted to recommend the movie “Arbitrage” to the roundup crew. Very well-written, well-acted contemporary thriller. Tense and current the entire time. Gere kills it.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:32 AM
First British headlines I could find relating to topless Nicola McLean:
“Industrial-sized bottle of sun cream for Ms. McLean please!”
Going to watch The Master at the first non-football drunk opportunity so Tuesday or Wednesday.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:32 AM
I saw the post last evening, long after it was over. Was too busy with work yesterday to even check the site. I hate it when work gets in the way of a good sports argument.
Miguel has to win it. Miguel wins the numbers argument anyway, but forget the stupid WAR thing. Trout didn’t play much of April and he is falling off the map in September. That alone should end the discussion.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:34 AM
Fuck this, Canada used to be cool.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:36 AM
Agree with this take as an Eagles fan. Giants played really well, JPP was back to being ridiculous.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:37 AM
The award should definitely ignore defense and baserunning and be decided by the 17 games played in September (so far).
September 21st, 2012 at 8:38 AM
oh, you didn’t hear that Trout only played 3 games in April? ignore everything else in between.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:39 AM
I don’t know. I wouldn’t put much stock in it. Mayock kept saying it, and it was true, the Panthers could get zero pressure, even when bringing more than four. It was pathetic, and it was very, very easy for Eli.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:40 AM
So, Trout should get the award because he’s a power and speed guy, and Cabrera doesn’t have the ability to steal bases?
September 21st, 2012 at 8:40 AM
If it were pre-2005, Cabrera would win easily. Much more interesting nowdays. Progress!
September 21st, 2012 at 8:40 AM
/Eagles fan’d
I agree that Eli was basically seeing the best pocket he has in awhile, but he made them pay for the lack of pressure.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:40 AM
Drove past AT&T store on way to work this morning. People were lined up around the building for the new Iphone. I just dont get it, and I have an Iphone. Will probably upgrade to a 4S now that the price has gone down.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:41 AM
Cabrera is shitty in the field too.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:41 AM
Fuck this, Canada used to be cool.
So many things wrong with that story.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:42 AM
The fact that Trout has played 127 and Cabrera has played 148 absolutely should matter. The idea that you can keep up with the grind of a 162 game season, that you can contribute from April though September is vital to being considered the most valuable player.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:42 AM
I just don’t think you know any more about the Giants than you did before the game. Eli, still a good quarterback that will kill you if you don’t make him uncomfortable. Giants D-line, still very good and really dangerous if they have a lead and you’re passing too much.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:43 AM
Trout should win because he provides plus value in all facets of the game that, when combined, provide more total value than Cabrera’s awesome offensive ability when offset by Cabrera’s atrocious defense and baserunning skills.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:43 AM
The 4 is a dollar (I just got one). If you don’t care about Siri or turn-by-turn navigation, just spend the dollar.
We’re not really having this moronic Trout-Cabrera discussion again, right?
September 21st, 2012 at 8:44 AM
I hate the “We beat ourselves” bullshit. The Giants were better by far last night. Show some class and own up to it.
Robert Smith said the same thing after the 98 NFC championship. Enjoy your paper ring, dude.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:45 AM
YOU’RE GOD DAMN RIGHT I AM
September 21st, 2012 at 8:45 AM
Yeah, Eli sucks at overcoming adversity and the dline having a subpar game.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:46 AM
I love when I learn something new first thing in the AM.
Very nice.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:46 AM
As opposed to the same old political arguments that are brought up here seemingly every morning?
September 21st, 2012 at 8:46 AM
In this instance, you’re correct. Sometimes, though, teams beat themselves.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:46 AM
Our fearless “leader” when pressed about his promise to enact immigration reform, “So I am happy to take responsibility for the fact that we didn’t get it done, but I did not make a promise that we would get everything done, 100 percent when I was elected as president.”
What a joke.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:47 AM
Yes, penalize trout because his GM held him back another month…
September 21st, 2012 at 8:47 AM
Defense certainly does matter, but it doesn’t trump historically great offensive numbers.
Cabrera is an average fielder. His limitations are now being exaggerated as “atrocious” and the like. He may be horrible defensively when compared to elite 3rd basemen, but he is average overall.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:48 AM
Favrotie redheads…discuss…
September 21st, 2012 at 8:48 AM
I’ll take Scottish titty innuendo for $800 Alex.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:48 AM
Being that he’s also calling the line assignments this year, I’d put a bit more stock into it.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:48 AM
The MVP is for the whole season, not May through August.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:49 AM
Well, to be fair (and I’m a Trout supporter), the award is for who was most valuable this season and regardless of the reason for it, if he played fewer games, that has to go into the calculation of seasonal value.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:49 AM
Which is exactly what a good QB is supposed to do.
It was a good win for them last night, despite being shorthanded. They killed it on a short week, and it illustrated the difference between a team that has veteran leadership and a young team with a young coach still trying to figure out what/who they are.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:49 AM
I have the 4 now and it works fine for me; the map quest app does turn by turn well enough (free too). I’m still kicking around the idea of getting the 5 mainly because I’m probably gonna ditch AT&T and my camera is all scratched and un-usable. I can’t use my AT&T iPhone on vzw right?
September 21st, 2012 at 8:49 AM
The most vile act of humanity towards animals is (animal)fighting.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:50 AM
There’s a 300-comment post one page back on this exact subject. Maybe take it there?
Sorry, nothing bores me more than baseball player value arguments. “Player A should win he has 4.212 DERP in two-run games while Player B has a pathetic .3314 NAZI from the leadoff spot.” Now, that’s obviously mockery but this is sort of what the discussion has devolved into.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:50 AM
lol. I uh… didn’t say that.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:51 AM
I see Mittens hired Mike NYC and Jimmy Chitwood as his campaign managers by unvirtue of his 47% taxes comment. Hopefully that idiotic piece of misinformed argument is now put to rest. But I doubt it.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:51 AM
The thing is, Trout’s numbers are fairly historic as well. They may not hit the traditionally valued triple crown stats, but the season he has put up has been valuable at a level that is rarely seen.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:52 AM
The Panthers D-line is possibly the worst in the league. They were last year, and everyone was confident they were taking a lineman with their first pick and they took Kuechly instead to widespread surprise (thanks for Fletcher Cox, guys). Like I said, this was just a mismatch. The Giants are really good and the Panthers are bad.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:52 AM
This is a great, under-discussed point. It’s hard a fuck going on the road for the Thursday game. Visiting teams are at a massive disadvantage. And the Giants kicked the shit out Carolina. No, Carolina isn’t good. But that was a solid win last night.
monast, thanks for the Mapquest tip. Gonna have to download that.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:52 AM
I’d love to hear how NAZI is computed. I’d give my mock definition, but I do not want the anti-defamation league knocking on my door this evening.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:52 AM
Shut the front door.
There’s this 1/3 of government called Congress that has to approve laws, too. Doesn’t matter how badly the President wants or doesn’t want it.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:54 AM
Romney and his GOP cult throwing everything Obama ever said to the wall hoping something sticks is donating-to-PSU sad. It ain’t working, guys.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:54 AM
I agree with this completely. Counting numbers matter. So does defense and baserunning.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:54 AM
Nicola McLeanCitizen Dick, who is big inLondonDenmark/Single’d
September 21st, 2012 at 8:55 AM
discussion over.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:55 AM
Great defense of Barack there.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:55 AM
You wipe out all the stats that don’t work in the hopes of coming up with a superior system. I dunno, the idea isn’t fully baked yet.
/sorry
September 21st, 2012 at 8:56 AM
minimize Cabrera’s offensive output by overstating his lack of Gold Glove play at 3rd base. His adequate play at 3rd base allowed Detroit to insert another All Star into the lineup. How valuable is that?
September 21st, 2012 at 8:57 AM
Keeping chickens locked in the dark, modified with Ms. McLaren-esque boobs so that they can’t walk around, ankle deep in their feces is way worse. Would much rather fight to the death for glory than stand in shit in the dark waiting to be eaten by a bunch of mouth-breathing bigots at a chik-fil-a.
As for Chitwood, he does not have royal decree, had he been able to enact laws by himself a veteran jobs bill that would not add to the deficit probably wouldn’t have been shut down by GOP senators. Defend this.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:57 AM
No it didn’t.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:57 AM
Hey, there was a political discussion in yesterday’s roundup (probably), can’t you just take this there?
/just giving you a hard time
//let people discuss whatever they want
///you are right about Romney’s camp – reeks of desperation
September 21st, 2012 at 8:57 AM
Dude, Obama could’ve passed immigration reform without a single Republican vote.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:58 AM
There’s no defense needed. It’s a factual, non-controversial statement.
“The moon is out tonight”
“Yup”
“GREAT DEFENSE OF HIS STATEMENT!”
September 21st, 2012 at 8:58 AM
I wouldn’t say that being responsible for having negative UZR, +/-, FRAA and awful range is adequate per se. Miggy is on pace to have the worst defensive season by a 3B ever. That is fucking important especially when you have several ground ball pitches on your staff (Fister, Porcello).
September 21st, 2012 at 8:58 AM
let’s be clear, “Gold Glove” and being great defensively are not the same thing most of the time.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:58 AM
Greg Norman thinks Rory McIlroy intimidates Tiger Woods
That’s because he’s an idiot. This is another “story” that was made up by ESPN. Congrats fellas, you did it again.
No offense Queefer, but an argument over MVP is exactly why I come here (and the dong. Tiring political discussion over the same stuff is sometimes informative, all the time boring.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:59 AM
Yes, it did. He has been way better than I feared he would be. He is an average 3rd baseman that did not cost them wins this year and had he been unwilling to move positions, Fielder would not be in Detroit.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:59 AM
Do you understand how our system of government works? Serious question.
September 21st, 2012 at 8:59 AM
Romney and his GOP cult throwing everything Obama ever said to the wall hoping something sticks is donating-to-PSU sad. It ain’t working, guys.
Nothing is as sad as donating to Penn State.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:01 AM
How in the blue fuck would anyone “intimidate” a guy like Woods, who, if he quit tomorrow, would be considered one of the all-time greats?
September 21st, 2012 at 9:01 AM
i’m surprised you have time to comment on here between watching fox news and commenting on right wing blogs.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:02 AM
The only person who intimidates Tiger is Tiger.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:02 AM
That article said 90,000 americans fled to Canada to avoid Vietnam. I never knew it was that high.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:02 AM
From Cameron’s Fangraphs article.
Cabrera’s switch to third base made room not for Fielder, but for Delmon Young to spend a majority of his time at DH, which freed up an outfield spot for the likes of Ryan Raburn, Don Kelly, Quinton Berry, and Andy Dirks. Had Cabrera been willing to actually take one for the team and DH, those are the guys who would have lost playing time, not Prince Fielder. Does anyone seriously want to argue that the Tigers are better off because Cabrera decided to become a bad defensive third baseman so that that group could get more playing time?
September 21st, 2012 at 9:03 AM
How can Cabrera earn an extra AB when he is officially ruled ineligible for the rest of the season??? This is just common sense right? Then again, this is Bud and he fucks up every opportunity he gets to make a change for the better.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:03 AM
How many previously no-name WRs has Eli gotten 100 yard games out of throughout his career? Add Ramses Barden to the list. Anyone heard from the other Steve Smith lately? Or Kevin Boss?
September 21st, 2012 at 9:03 AM
Someone has watched “Food, Inc.”
September 21st, 2012 at 9:04 AM
i don’t think you’ve gotten to 6th grade civics class yet, but read the text book carefully when you get there for a basic understanding how the government works.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:04 AM
Me gusta muy mucho.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:05 AM
Lollercoaster. There isn’t a single GM in the league who would pay a DH $20 million a year.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:05 AM
How in the blue fuck would anyone “intimidate” a guy like Woods, who, if he quit tomorrow, would be considered one of the all-time greats?
Even Rory joked about that, saying ‘”yeah, he calls me The Intimidator”… then Rory went out to say how Tiger constantly asks him how short he is and shit. Pretty funny stuff from Tiger and Rory actually. It’s seminal in a way, as this is the first time Tiger has given anybody in golf credit for anything. Woods has said a lot of nice shit about Rory’s game.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:05 AM
There’s a hostage situation at one of the office buildings in downtown Pittsburgh right now, fucking sirens and cops EVERYWHERE.
Guess who’s using this as an excuse to not do dick all morning!
September 21st, 2012 at 9:05 AM
He’s correct. The Dems had control of the House and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:05 AM
They absolutely planned on him DH’ing regularly. He did not want to DH. So they adjusted and made 3B the plan. Fielder did not sign until after Martinez was out for the year.
As for his play at third, not throwing up on yourself every game does not make you league average. He’s as bad as there is in the league, and he costs them outs and runs defensively. He more than makes up for it offensively, is an awesome player, but let’s not pretend he’s OK at 3B. He’s not.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:06 AM
would they still be arrested if they show up in the US again? I’m curious about that.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:06 AM
Yes, thank you Career High.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:07 AM
Yeah but……….yeah.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:07 AM
And who plays 3rd? Brandon Inge? What a stupid fucking argument.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:07 AM
/veteran move
September 21st, 2012 at 9:07 AM
Anyone heard from the other Steve Smith lately?
His knee was completely gone. In know way was he ever a no-name. He was a productive WR at USC and a 3rd round pick who developed on schedule. Then his knee went to pieces. I do think Eli’s a nice QB but to say he turned Steve Smith from a nobody to a somebody – is off.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:07 AM
That filibuster-proof majority that he enjoyed all of four months until Kennedy’s health went and the Senator from one of the Dakotas had brain surgery. But let’s not let facts get in the way.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:07 AM
Jesus Christ, look at the mams on that lady.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:08 AM
There was an amnesty declared in the late 70, early 80′s.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:09 AM
Please educate me. How many Republicans voted for Obamacare?
September 21st, 2012 at 9:09 AM
Helluva eye-opening piece of film, man. I was floored at times.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:09 AM
I mean, this isn’t a team that worries about offensive holes in the infield, obviously. You know who they’ve rolled out at second base the last two years (until Infante arrived a few weeks ago).
September 21st, 2012 at 9:10 AM
Not arguing one way or another, just saying that it could have been done with no Repub votes.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:10 AM
I believe he’s with St. Louis, awaiting the Eli Manning treatment from Sam Bradford.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:10 AM
would they still be arrested if they show up in the US again? I’m curious about that.
I am pretty sure they would. SROD, can you confirm?
September 21st, 2012 at 9:10 AM
and HOLY SHIT is that Carolina defense bad
September 21st, 2012 at 9:10 AM
Wait, I thought you were arguing that Prince Fielder wouldn’t have come to Detriot unless Cabrera moved to 3B?
September 21st, 2012 at 9:10 AM
Guess who’s using this as an excuse to not do dick all morning!
good job, good effort
September 21st, 2012 at 9:11 AM
Sounds like 90,000 people that don’t need their US citizenship.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:11 AM
There was an amnesty declared in the late 70, early 80′s.
WOW.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:12 AM
Jimmy Carter amnestied them on the first day of his presidency. Come on.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:12 AM
and there were enough blue dog dems that proved this theory wrong on issues like immigration. the numbers say anything was possible, but the context shows the opposite.
so, yes, having 60 dems in the senate could mean you can pass anything, but a handful of those dems were really leaning conservative on a lot of issues in their homestate, which caused issues like the healthcare bill and financial reform to be watered down since they leveraged their position as the swing votes to get their more conservative ideals influencing the bills.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:12 AM
Reminds me of the joke….I met my wife during the war. She’s Canadian.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:13 AM
I didn’t know Ann Coulter was from Canada.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:14 AM
Cabrera may be #9 in fielding percentage for 3B but he’s also 2nd in errors.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:14 AM
Jimmy Carter amnestied them on the first day of his presidency. Come on.
this is a very good use of “come on.” I forgive you for c’mon manning me the other day about mayonnaise, now.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:15 AM
Is there a SINGLE Obama apologist here who can simply admit that O failed to keep his promise on the immigration issue? I don’t recall any “ifs” or “maybes” attached to his promise.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:15 AM
That article said 90,000 americans fled to Canada to avoid Vietnam. I never knew it was that high.
/Sounds like 90,000 people that don’t need their US citizenship.
THATS 90,000 JOB OPENINGS. When we went into Iraq, it was TO CREATE JOBS.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:15 AM
I follow the NFL and play fantasy and all that, obviously I’m not a Giants fan, but I had no idea who Steve Smith was or where he came from. Maybe that’s on me. But there’s plenty of other guys you can point to. Does Victor Cruz have the year he does without Eli? He’d probably be productive, but 1400+ yards and 9 TDs?
September 21st, 2012 at 9:15 AM
It’s funny because in the past three years, there have been more deportations than in the eight years of the Bush adminstration. But yeah, facts and all…
September 21st, 2012 at 9:15 AM
September 21st, 2012 at 9:16 AM
This sort of misses the point, though, right? The point is that Obama said he’d get things done and if he couldn’t get them done even when he had a majority in the Senate, shouldn’t he be dinged for making promises he couldn’t live up to? I mean if he can’t get his own party in line on the issue, it doesn’t really speak well of him and his promises, does it?
/NOT a Romney supporter, by the way
September 21st, 2012 at 9:16 AM
so, yes, having 60 dems in the senate could mean you can pass anything,
one of those was Joe Lieberman, who pulled a reverse Jim Jeffords as needed.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:17 AM
I used to work on Grant Street in Pittsburgh, right across from USX tower.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:17 AM
I guess that’s me – although I wouldn’t call myself an apologist.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:17 AM
Of course not. Or Kevin Gilbride.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:17 AM
Here’s the thing… do you even give a shit what his policy promise was/is? Or are you just trying to take down the guy for not following through on said policy promise?
September 21st, 2012 at 9:18 AM
Is there a SINGLE Obama apologist here who can simply admit that O failed to keep his promise on the immigration issue?
you guys, he promised.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:19 AM
September 21st, 2012 at 9:19 AM
A professional politician even!
September 21st, 2012 at 9:19 AM
So, the argument is that Cabrera is absolutely horrible at defense so he should have been a regular DH, but we shouldn’t discuss who they would have put at 3rd in that situation because the Tigers do not worry about defense. Are you dizzy from that circular argument?
I agree here, fielding percentage is the most useless stat in all of professional sports other than that ESPN-contrived QB rating that had Tebow ahead of Aaron Rogers last year.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:19 AM
This is just another Conservative talking point. Deeper insight would be had by asking when and how long did this “filibuster-proof” majority take place.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:20 AM
Cabrera may be #9 in fielding percentage for 3B but he’s also 2nd in errors.
/wanking
I know i know defense is important. Show me direct stat that one of his 13 errors led to a loss.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:20 AM
I’ve had that Gangnam Style song in my head for like 4 straight days now.
/EYYYYYYYY SEXY LADAAAYYYY
//as far as dumb dance crazes go, you could do much worse
September 21st, 2012 at 9:20 AM
I follow the NFL and play fantasy and all that,
I was super surprised the other day when you said you’d never heard of Calais Campbell, but about once a week, some guy comes from nowhere and I have no clue who he is, or how long he’s been that good.
Last year, I had absolutely no idea who Navorro Bowman was.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:21 AM
If the Tigers cared about defense, they wouldnt have cabrera, fielder, delmon, and VMart on the same team.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:21 AM
A professional politician even!
He doesn’t sound very professional if he can’t keep one simple promise.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:21 AM
But this argument (and any argument about the president having the majority) assumes that every Democrat was supportive to the point they’d vote for the President’s proposed legislation.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:21 AM
I’ve had that Gangnam Style song in my head for like 4 straight days now
I’ve been on board since last friday. Like I said on the twitter, I avoided it for nearly a week because CRM said it was good. Then I watched it. I just can’t enough.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:22 AM
and let’s be real, whether obama has made policy promises and kept them or not, he’s still lightyears ahead of his opponent who refuses to make his policies public until he gets elected.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:23 AM
I don’t know who a lot of people are. I sure as hell don’t watch a lot of Arizona games by choice though. But I inherited my dad’s memory for names. I called Curtis Granderson “Carlos” the other day. A few weeks ago I called Justin Blackmon “Jarvis.”
September 21st, 2012 at 9:23 AM
You certainly can feel free to discuss who else the Tigers could play at 3rd if you’d like, but the argument is that Cabrera would be more valuable at DH and not costing his team runs in the field.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:23 AM
I thought Obama was different though. I’m becoming disenchanted.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:24 AM
The Giants do a good job of developing talent. The best teams can do this as they make young talent earn their way into the lineup. As a fan of a team who drafts guys and then makes them starters immediately, you have to watch them learn on the job or develop a sense of entitlement, which retards a roster from developing. Teams like NYG and PIT constantly do this. It’s a combination of the good talent evaluation, good coaching and then having a culture/envirionment that makes rookies earn their way on the field.
/sees Greg Little and Josh Gordon doing banana routes and doing TD dances when down 2 TDs.
//weeps
September 21st, 2012 at 9:24 AM
Feel good hit of the summer
September 21st, 2012 at 9:24 AM
i have no idea who nicola mcclean is, but me and my weener are very interested to learn more.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:24 AM
These contradict each other…and you’d have to go digging into boxscores (which wouldn’t even tell the whole story since you can’t commit errors on balls you’re too fat to get to)
September 21st, 2012 at 9:24 AM
I read something similar a few weeks ago on Deadspin so I can’t take credit for it:
Watching people “discuss” politics is like watching two retards hump opposite ends of the sofa while hurling insults at each other.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:24 AM
He went to Pathetic Sad University
September 21st, 2012 at 9:25 AM
Should he have just crammed an entire administrations worth of legislation in a few months? I don’t mind that not all dems blindly voted with the prez, it’s ok to have disagreeing members of your own party. This wouldn’t be an issue at all if the GOP actually tried, even once, to work with the prez to get anything done
September 21st, 2012 at 9:25 AM
I’m becoming disenchanted.
you’re actually becoming douche-enchanted.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:25 AM
“Did an athlete kill someone while driving drunk?”
- Mister Tibble
September 21st, 2012 at 9:25 AM
I said offense. AP changed what I said when he quoted me. I have no idea why.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:26 AM
He went to Pathetic Sad University
yeah, seems like a lot of linebackers go there. Surprising they haven’t won a game for so long.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:26 AM
If the Tigers cared about defense, they wouldnt have cabrera, fielder, delmon, and VMart on the same team.
You forgot JHONY
September 21st, 2012 at 9:26 AM
I just don’t get the argument that we should vote for Obama because he’ll get things done…but he can’t get things done because other elected officials won’t submit to his will.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:26 AM
i just think it’s hilarious watching him sing the “whomp, whompwhompwhomp, whomp” for some reason.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:26 AM
So, is this the point where we ignore the things that he did get done in order to focus on whatever he didn’t?
September 21st, 2012 at 9:27 AM
All I’m saying is that it is a credible criticism to say that he didn’t accomplish what he promised. He had as favorable congressional conditions as a President could realistically hope for and it didn’t get done.
That being said, I’m ok with it. Being the President involves a lot of difficult choices and circumstances change daily. I don’t believe he abandoned the concept of immigration reform, I think it was set aside because there were other issues more important to the country at that moment and then the moment passed. It is a fair criticism, but not one that I find determinative of his Presidency.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:27 AM
I just don’t get the argument that we should vote for Obama because he’ll get things done…but he can’t get things done because other elected officials won’t submit to his will.
you were never going to vote for him, though.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:27 AM
I’ll bite. Who should we vote for to really get things done?
September 21st, 2012 at 9:28 AM
But this argument (and any argument about the president having the majority) assumes that every Democrat was supportive to the point they’d vote for the President’s proposed legislation.
so BO is not the omnipotent leader of men we were led to believe? look, i do not really care for either of these guys (if i had to, vote would probably go to BO). but, the absolute refusal of the most of the media and his supporters to fault him for anything is pathetic and tiresome.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:28 AM
Cabrera at DH only improves the team if the replacement at 3rd is considerably better defensively and as good as Young offensively. This person does not exist in the Tigers system, so they would have had to trade for this fictitious player, giving up another prospect or two or three.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:28 AM
fix’d for accuracy on both sides of the argument.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:29 AM
i just think it’s hilarious watching him sing the “whomp, whompwhompwhomp, whomp” for some reason.
there’s like 40 best parts to that video, but the best is that the guy Psy is just some pudgy Korean who can’t dance that well, and he took over the world for a whole week.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:29 AM
I’m just voting for him to renew my ‘not a racist’ card.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:30 AM
Chitwood wins. Obummer sucks. Mission Accomplished.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:30 AM
I’m just voting for him in the hopes that another Obama win causes Mike to drink hemlock.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:30 AM
You have options with Peralta (who could play SS or 3B) though. At the time they signed Fielder there were good options (both 3B and SS) still available in free agency, but that died when Cabrera said he wouldn’t DH.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:31 AM
I’m just voting for him to renew my ‘not a racist’ card.
I had mine renewed by mail after I was disgusted at last week’s Sons of Anarchy ‘non gang affiliated negro anal sexing biker daughter gets pistol whipped’ storyline
September 21st, 2012 at 9:31 AM
Not at all. I like to try and be reasonable about politics (which doesn’t play well on the internet, I know) and I admit when a criticism is fair. I think it makes both sides look stupid when they aren’t willing to admit failures on their side and successes on the other side.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:31 AM
It’s been, what — 1,300 days since the Democratic-controlled Senate has even passed a budget?
But, er, Republican obstructionism!
September 21st, 2012 at 9:32 AM
Link?
September 21st, 2012 at 9:32 AM
The blue tuxedo, flopping around in the hot tub, the random chick (dude?) in the yellow jumpsuit showing up for 10 seconds then leaving, the little kid at the beginning… so much awesome
September 21st, 2012 at 9:32 AM
I just think it shows an incredible lack of leadership to admit that you’re incapable of getting your policies passed unless you have total control of every branch of the government. Real leaders don’t make the blame game a fundamental part of who they are.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:32 AM
O! I know, I know!
Ron Paul!
/when you just want to masturbate on a plane in peace
//ron paul 2012
September 21st, 2012 at 9:32 AM
3 Gateway Center has been evacuated. Gunman on the 16th Floor. Time to head for the nearest downtown bar.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:32 AM
I’m just voting for him in the hopes that another Obama win causes Mike to drink hemlock.
I think 23 1/2% of that original 47 percent vote staight republican, so there’s a still a big chance Barry loses.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:33 AM
I’ve never even tasted a McRib. Seems like it would taste like shit on a stick.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:34 AM
So, are you saying he didn’t get anything done? Because I run off a list of things that were done during this period of time.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:34 AM
Gee, I wonder who Rory is gonna sign with next year? This is no coincidence.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:34 AM
They weren’t going to sign a big name SS and Prince. One or the other and I like the decision they made.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:34 AM
The blue tuxedo, flopping around in the hot tub, the random chick (dude?) in the yellow jumpsuit showing up for 10 seconds then leaving, the little kid at the beginning… so much awesome
the first time I watched it, it felt like it was 20 minutes long. So much visual joy. Now it goes by so fast, I forget to watch that kid in the beginning do Michael Jackson moves.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:34 AM
It’s always nice to see Mike GOP take time from his 1% perch and weigh in.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:34 AM
The train done fell off the tracks. Awhile ago but now it is just witnessing the carnage. I did enjoy Tigs improv of pretending to care about a daughter he never cared about. Funniest thing I have seen on TV this year.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:35 AM
I’ve never even tasted a McRib. Seems like it would taste like shit on a stick
it’s better than a Filet-o-Fish.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:35 AM
Read this thing on grantland about asian popstars. *ducks* J-pop and K-pop have been trying to break into the American pop culture for a while now. They have these super-attractive people that look like they were created in a lab trying to gain american mainstream attention. They got the look and the dancing part down. But for the most part, they’ve been unsuccessful. But here comes a pudgy middle-aged guy that did in one week what other famous asian popstars couldn’t do in 10 years. Good for him. That song is catcy as hell.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:35 AM
Jesus Christ – have you read anything I’ve written this morning? This is what I get for trying to be reasonable on the internet.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:35 AM
And real insight would look at the amount of time wasted. Even if it was 4 months, shouldn’t we expect our elected officials to get some shit done? As soon as the election results were in, they should have been getting bills ready to go. Instead, we see a bunch of wasted time and partisan arguing. Health care reform was and is a waste of time without the necessary tort reform to stop frivolous malpractice lawsuits that prevent doctors from doing their jobs. Hell, we have an example of the type of heath care that the left wants already in this country. Ask any veteran who uses the VA system how well that works.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:36 AM
Didn’t mean to imply big name. I mean somebody like Wilson Betimit. Guys who were available relatively cheap and have a glove that is useful.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:36 AM
Expecting a McRib to taste like real BBQ is like going to Taco Bell for “Authentic Mexican” food.
/likes Taco Bell and the McRib
September 21st, 2012 at 9:36 AM
I did enjoy Tigs improv of pretending to care about a daughter he never cared about.
Tig has kids?
/half the viewing audience
September 21st, 2012 at 9:36 AM
If you are not open minded, take your politics and kill yourself. The closeminded assholes need to go. I can go anywhere for political blowhards and narrowminded converstion. You are not having a dialogue. You are the assholes nobody wants to talk to at parties.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:37 AM
I see where you’re at, roarke49. I’m right with ya.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:38 AM
The Wilson Betemit Experiment in Detroit didn’t work out so well.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:38 AM
Kinda closeminded
September 21st, 2012 at 9:38 AM
How bout that pig huh? I bet he’s 10 times more charming that Arnold on Green Acres.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:38 AM
Laughing
September 21st, 2012 at 9:39 AM
How bout that pig huh? I bet he’s 10 times more charming that Arnold on Green Acres.
that one legged kid would definitely get disqualified from any ass kicking contest he tried to enter, if he wouldn’t put down those sticks. That’s an unfair advantage.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:40 AM
So was the douche with the camera going to let the goat drown?
September 21st, 2012 at 9:40 AM
The example you’re looking for is Medicare, Medicare. Ask any senior how that works.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:40 AM
Can we all agree that it’s ridiculous that the Senate blocked the veteran jobs bill because it was unpaid for? Most of those same guys (especially Coburn) had no problem letting Iraq and Afghanistan go unpaid for a decade.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:41 AM
McRibs are a valid guilty pleasure. The Call Me Maybe, Riding Mopeds, Ugly Girl you Beer Goggle Sexed. Enjoy and dont tell anybody.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:41 AM
He’s been pretty useful for Baltimore. Eric Chavez was available. Marco Scutaro as well (the Rockies got him for nothing).
September 21st, 2012 at 9:41 AM
Are all open-minded people this angry?
September 21st, 2012 at 9:42 AM
But hey Taco Bell recently discovered Cilantro! Now its like almost real authentic mexican food dipped in american bleach.
/thoroughly enjoy taco bell as well
September 21st, 2012 at 9:42 AM
The example you’re looking for is Medicare, Medicare. Ask any senior how that works.
Old people and veterans of foreign wars are both pretty complain-y, so you’d have to ask a politician how those programs are working, if you want a real answer.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:42 AM
Only at trolls such as you.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:43 AM
For the first time, taxes weeren’t raised during a time of war. In fact, they were cut, bcause “reagan showed defecits don’t matter.” We should raaise taxes just to pay for those wars with interest.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:43 AM
Are all open-minded people this angry?
I am pretty sure Scripty was punching you as hard as he could, in the face, with satire. Specifically you.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:44 AM
I’m no troll. I’m honestly like this in real life.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:44 AM
But Reagan was a conservative. How could he have made government spending grow? That’s only something Democrats do.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:45 AM
These contradict each other
Not really. The amount of rbi and runs created by him certainly outweigh his errors. (I’m not old-school celebrating RBI, but seriously, it’s common sense)
September 21st, 2012 at 9:45 AM
Nope, the example I’m looking for is the VA. Smaller # of people using it than Medicare and still requires patients to wait for over a year before getting necessary surgeries performed. Requires patients to drive long distances multiple times a month to see doctors, but writes them a check for driving that distance. Has multiple hoops that must be jumped through multiple times before treatment begins. Now, as that is what the government sees as healthcare, please imagine it on a national scale.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:46 AM
Jimmy I don’t care for your comments. I won’t pretend to like you. You come in here every day and play that same one-note song every fucking day. Your schtick is tired. Maybe if you engaged in conversation on some other topic with some insight or jest, I’d think differently. Do you have anything to talk about other than politics?
September 21st, 2012 at 9:46 AM
This is funny because most people are indeed close-minded.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:46 AM
Wow, you guys seriously cannot take it when someone disagrees with you. Do you seriously take this stuff personally?
September 21st, 2012 at 9:46 AM
I thought that too. What an asshole.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:47 AM
I didn’t call you an Internet troll. I called you a troll.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:47 AM
Only when someone goes on about Family Guy being a good show…that angries up the blood
September 21st, 2012 at 9:47 AM
He was in The Beatles?
September 21st, 2012 at 9:48 AM
As has already been stated, he had a technical fillibuster proof majority for all of four months, during which he passed a critical stimulus bill and HC. Obama was supposed to get immigration reform through, too?
September 21st, 2012 at 9:49 AM
It is interesting to see how each party has “grown” over the last 30 years. If you look at the Republican platforms from 1968 to 1992, they look a lot like the Democratic platform today.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:49 AM
He said “Goat in the water!” then repeated more urgently “Goat in the water!” so I wonder if he was mentioning this to a zookeeper/caretaker-type person off-camera. And then our little piglet friend jumped in.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:49 AM
I love this. “People can’t handle how honest I am. Allow me to demonstrate how I don’t understand why tact is important.”
September 21st, 2012 at 9:50 AM
I love that show. And I hate the White Sox. Big whoop, wanna fight about it? (see what I did there?)
September 21st, 2012 at 9:51 AM
Bill Maher had a former GOP official on last Friday (I know Maher is a flaming liberal but I really like his show. He brings on conservatives, let’s them talk, calls them on their bullshit but rarely gangs up) who said we didn’t pay for WWII. I just don’t understand how this is allowed.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:51 AM
He was in The Beatles?
Let me tell you how it will be
There’s one for you, nineteen for me
‘Cause I’m the taxman, yeah, I’m the taxman
September 21st, 2012 at 9:51 AM
I’m astounded that you think I care. I mean that from the bottom of my heart.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:53 AM
You come in here every day and play that same one-note song every fucking day
He was in The Beatles?
perfect execution here.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:53 AM
It’s crazy how many people confuse being “honest” or “real”, when they’re just tactless douchebags incapable of considering other people’s viewpoint or feelings.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:54 AM
Good is such a subjective term. I’m not looking for award winning material most of the time, I just want to zone out on the couch. I find it highly entertaining most of the time, but I can see where most of the criticisms come from.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:54 AM
Today, so do I…issuing an intentional walk to Jeff Francoeur before the game-winning hit from Hosmer could be Robin Ventura’s Gene Mauch moment if they lose the division
September 21st, 2012 at 9:54 AM
See, when I think of the VA, i think of government-owned hospitals, clinics, etc. that are necessary to deal with a specific population that has injuries directly related to service from the nation.
When I think of Medicare, I think of a government program that allows a portion of the population that otherwise wouldn’t be covered by private insurance access to healthcare at non-govermental places like doctor’s offices, ambulatory surgical clinics and even hospitals. So:
VA = entirely government
Medicare = government ensures access to care
September 21st, 2012 at 9:55 AM
Bill Maher had a former GOP official on last Friday (I know Maher is a flaming liberal but I really like his show. He brings on conservatives, let’s them talk, calls them on their bullshit but rarely gangs up) who said we didn’t pay for WWII. I just don’t understand how this is allowed.
i like his show too (mostly), but he only brings on repubs that he can bully. and his go to line when he disagrees with no facts is “false equivalency.” but i like to hear what all sides say, so i watch.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:55 AM
I’ll put this to the group because I’m not sure if I’m totally convinced this is true: it feels over the last decade or so that the GOP response to their candidates failing on multiple levels is that they run crappy candidates. McCain, Romney, Angle, Whitman, Akin, etc. But all these candidates are doing is espousing conservative ideals. Romney is in trouble for publicly saying what most conservatives think about the poor.
Is it really the messenger, or is it the message? Outside of general fiscal conservativism, are there any core GOP ideas that enjoy broad support anymore?
September 21st, 2012 at 9:55 AM
This is wrong. Delmon is not even an average hitter. If you could find an average glove at 3B, he wouldn’t even have to his weight to justify it as an upgrade.
Anytime you can lock up two DHs at $40 million/year that are only going to get more expensive AND still not make the playoffs, I think you have to do it.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:55 AM
Agreed…it’s something light and funny to watch on Mondays before football or if I had a hard day at work.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:55 AM
Do you have anything to talk about other than politics?
So no?
September 21st, 2012 at 9:56 AM
I’m pretty sure all VA patients are on Tricare. I don’t believe the PPACA calls for one universal insurance carrier.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:56 AM
It’s an entertaining show. Just wish they’d stop beating a joke to death. I understand what they are trying to do when they let the same joke go on for a minute (an eternity in 30 minute comedy), but I just don’t care for it.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:56 AM
It’s an entertaining show. Just wish they’d stop beating a joke to death. I understand what they are trying to do when they let the same joke go on for a minute (an eternity in 30 minute comedy), but I just don’t care for it.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:56 AM
Doing this in any circumstance is a valid reason to lose your job.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:57 AM
I finally stopped recording the Simpsons as it is no longer entertaining.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:57 AM
Dang, Jimmy got y’all worked up…lotta TBL vets too…you guys are better than this.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:57 AM
Good question. If only there were a way to test out your hypothesis.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:58 AM
Also, that McRib article is almost a year old.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:58 AM
I honestly believe that they use it as filler when they can’t write an entire episode.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:58 AM
Is it really the messenger, or is it the message? Outside of general fiscal conservativism, are there any core GOP ideas that enjoy broad support anymore?
i think its both. the repubs have trotted out some shit lately, and the message may need to be toned down a bit. i actually agree with what romney said about 47% not voting for him, i am fairly sure obama’s camp does the same thing. tea party has not helped, either.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:58 AM
If you’ve been paying attention (I know you haven’t) I have kept all of my comments to my personal views about politicians and their leadership. Because I dare go against the popular opinion here, I’m repeatedly attacked in a personal manner. No big deal, I can take it, but don’t try to tell me about the need for “tact.”
September 21st, 2012 at 9:58 AM
Sometimes, yes. That’s definitely true. And his guests tend to be more left than right. But he’s had Malkin, Coulter, Breitbart, O’Donnell, Norquist, Lazio, and many more right-wing heavyweights. I tend to feel he treats most with a certain level of respect and facilitates good discussions that don’t happen anywhere else.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:59 AM
Tricare is a terrible example to use, since it is a single service provided for Veterans. A more accurate comparison would be the FEHB program in place for Federal employees. Every congressman knows this since this is their health system as well. You have your choice of multiple plans within your state. Regarding tort reform, the courts are the appropriate venue to determine whether or not a lawsuit is frivilous. The “frivilous” lawsuit argument is similar to the voter fraud one, where we’re fighting something that hasn’t been shown to exist. That has no place in a healthcare bill
Who says they didn’t get anything done? The paper thin argument being made here is because Immigration reform didn’t take place, nothing was done. It’s funny how the Conservatives suddenly became concerned about immigration right after the housing market bubble busted. We didn’t need those illegals to build and refurbish those homes on the cheap anymore.
September 21st, 2012 at 9:59 AM
Dolphins don’t use no filler!
/South Park’d
//See, I can talk about things other than politics
September 21st, 2012 at 9:59 AM
What do you watch at 8pm on a Sunday that is more entertaining?
September 21st, 2012 at 9:59 AM
So you are saying you did not like ‘Ted’?
September 21st, 2012 at 10:00 AM
Outside of general fiscal conservativism, are there any core GOP ideas that enjoy broad support anymore?
While not necessarily the same thing, I’d say smaller government still is. National Security used to be put I think the 18-45 group that didn’t fight in any wars is more leary of the defense establishment than older generations. And I’d venture some conservative social ideas are viable to at least 45-55% of the nation.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:01 AM
Pornography?
September 21st, 2012 at 10:01 AM
But he’s had Malkin, Coulter, Breitbart, O’Donnell, Norquist, Lazio, and many more right-wing heavyweights
true, although the only reason o’donnell was on was because he really wants to bone her.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:01 AM
The thing about VA is there is a large number of folks who file claims for injuries that are cheesedick stuff and clog up the system for people who actually need the care. I personally know a few folks who, despite really not needing VA medical, filed claims and regularly visit VA hospitals and get disability even though they do things like crossfit.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:01 AM
I’m not sure there are core GOP ideas anymore. It’s a very splintered party where a moderate like Romney has to give up all of his previously held ideas regarding social issues in order to become the candidate. Then when he runs all the Democrats have to do is show him flip flopping on every social issue to win the necessary percentage of the vote. If the GOP would stop trying to force right wing social issues down everyone’s throats they would probably do a lot better with the fiscal conservative ideas.
Throw in the fact that every year the Republican base dies off a little bit more while the Democratic base grows as people hit 18 and the GOP is in trouble unless they can turn down the crazy part of the party (I’m looking at you Akin and Bachmann).
September 21st, 2012 at 10:01 AM
Bill Maher is fucking insufferable a complete fraud.
Again the best example of that show was when Mos Def, Hitchens, and Rushdie were the guests. The crowd was booing Hitch and Rushdie left and right but applauding Mos Def every time.
Episode went like this:
Mos Def says who are we to say Iran cant have nukes (crowd goes nuts(
Hitch and Rushdie counter with every single logical point ever (BOOOOOO)
Maher makes smug rubbery face (crowd explodes)
Scene.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:01 AM
I loved Stewart’s “Chaos on Bullshit Mountain” the other night, it was just excellent television.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:01 AM
Really? You agree with that even though a majority of those people are red-state conservatives? If he had just said “There’s a lot of people who won’t vote for me and a lot of people who won’t vote for Obama,” that would have been fine. And true. But he degraded them as voting for Obama because they’re lazy and dependent and don;t want to better themselves. That’s what bothered me.
Yeah, the Tea Party was a disaster. Glad that’s over with. In PA, Bob Casey is running ads using his opponent’s tea party affiliation against him. That would have been unthinkable two years ago.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:02 AM
Did any of you guys watch 30 Rock the last two weeks? Tod Koppel did a report on how polarized/nasty the political debate has become. After interviewing Ann Coulter, it made Bill O’Reilly seem like a level-headed straight-shooter.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:02 AM
Milk Steak-
Veterans who have access to insurance use the VA too. They do it because their medical bills are so high and because it is required if they want VA benefits. In exchange for that, they suffer through the bullshit that the government puts in their way.
My original point is that the “left” wants that type of government-run healthcare for everyone. While Obamacare is more like Medicare right now, you have to realize that the ultimate goal is a version of healthcare that looks more like the Canadian and European version. In my opinion, that is the wrong way to go. I believe that it will be more expensive and be run even worse. Until doctors have the freedom to practice preventative medicine without fear of frivolous lawsuits, you aren’t going to see effective medical reform.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:02 AM
Actually that’s not true. If you haven’t put in your 20 yrs or are medically retired then you won’t have Tricare. A lot of vets have VA benefits but no Tricare.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:02 AM
SNF?
September 21st, 2012 at 10:02 AM
Tough to argue with this.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:02 AM
It seems to me that the GOP is trapped by its own extremes because there is such a large portion of the base that will vote based on tea party/religious principles. That results in mainstream candidates being forced to espouse those principles in order to get base approval to win nomination, while alienating the middle that would actually allow them to win the general elections.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:02 AM
What do you watch at 8pm on a Sunday that is more entertaining?
This.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:03 AM
So the lesser of two evils is now slightly ahead in the House. How in the hell is that evidence that “core GOP ideas enjoy broad support?”
September 21st, 2012 at 10:03 AM
Family Guy used to be a DVR staple, but it’s been bumped out of there.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:03 AM
I’ll take new Simpsons episodes over SNF pregame.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:05 AM
I loved Stewart’s “Chaos on Bullshit Mountain” the other night, it was just excellent television.
it was awesome. one thing the dems dominate at is dissecting and shitting all over just about anything the repubs do just based on what was said (yes there is spin). repubs have plenty of ammo, but cant seem to pull that off.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:06 AM
While the “left” may want that, it ain’t gonna happen. That’s why we ended up with the Heritage Foundation Medicare-style (see, I was right)we have now.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:06 AM
Lost my bottle opener keys and it was been a real hardship. Ebay taking forever with that shit, for instance I would be buying some giant pumpkin beers at 11:00 but I don’t want to add any more bottle cap dents into my desk. Dated a girl from Hamilton and her dentist was confused by a parallel chip in upper and lower teeth on the left side of her jaw, fucking Hamilton girls.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:07 AM
Bill Maher had a former GOP official on last Friday (I know Maher is a flaming liberal but I really like his show. He brings on conservatives, let’s them talk, calls them on their bullshit but rarely gangs up) who said we didn’t pay for WWII. I just don’t understand how this is allowed.
Wow, that is such bullshit. Here’s his formula:
1. Fuck Christianity, and fuck the Catholic Church. I’d like to see him beat up on any other religion and get away with it. He’d go the way of Theo van Gogh if he spoke up against Islam (that may not be a bad thing though)
2. All republicans are evil.Disagree with and beat up every Republican that comes on his show.
3. Tell you how smart he is and you’re not.
In other words, fuck this guy. He’s got nothing of substance. I’d rather take Stewart or Colbert over this guy or Olbermann.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:07 AM
I would say vague GOP ideas enjoy broad support. Stuff like “we are for small government that stays out of your life” and “we want low taxes for all” and “Barack Obama wants to give your hard earned money to lazy black people” (I kid).
It’s when you get to the implementation phase of those policies and people go “wait a second, you wanna do what now?” that it falls apart.
Hence, you get politicians speaking in vague assertions without any specifics all across our great land.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:07 AM
I’ll take new Simpsons episodes over SNF pregame.
i will take an ice pick to the peen over new simpsons.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:08 AM
When I think of core conservative principles, I think of limited government, lower taxes, personal responsibility, and a strong military. (Not saying “conservative” candidates have a stellar record in these areas.) Whether these positions enjoy popular support nowadays, I have no idea.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:08 AM
I’d agree with that, for sure. I guess I don’t see the GOP doing much about it though. The last time they had a chance (2000-2008) it only grew.
I think that’s inevitable. The GOP doubled down on crazy after McCain lost, but if Obama wins again I think that will be the death rattle for the loons. Serious moderate conservatives will make their voices heard in 2013 and beyond, culminating in a strong 2016 election season for Republicans.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:08 AM
Even Faith Hill?
*sadface*
September 21st, 2012 at 10:08 AM
Democrats are definitely better at politics these days. I don’t know how or when the turnaround really occurred, because not too long ago they were getting their fucking asses kicked. Probably the wasteland of charisma that is the current GOP leaders.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:08 AM
It seems to me that the GOP is trapped by its own extremes because there is such a large portion of the base that will vote based on tea party/religious principles. That results in mainstream candidates being forced to espouse those principles in order to get base approval to win nomination, while alienating the middle that would actually allow them to win the general elections.
All of this. Well said.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:08 AM
Colbert
he is my leader.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:08 AM
Sorry, I’m working on central time.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:09 AM
Today is the anniversary of the first Monday Night Football game.
This was the opening of MNF I remember when I first started watching.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:09 AM
Hyperbole of the day?
September 21st, 2012 at 10:09 AM
After being forced to see her in concert, there is no doubt in my mind that she is the most boring lay on earth.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:11 AM
Scouser, I can’t stand religion and I agree he bashes it way to much. It’s mostly warranted, but he’ll abandon a strong point to shoehorn in a religious criticism where it doesn’t fit. Most topics come back to religion, and that’s a shame.
Disagree strongly with No. 2 and I believe he’s a reasonably intelligent guy.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:11 AM
Geto Boys puppy music video.
/That veteran’s bill vote is a mofucking disgrace
//can’t let it go
September 21st, 2012 at 10:11 AM
The thing I can’t understand about politics (and this is particularly true with Obama supporters) is simply this delusion that once he steps into office, your life is somehow magically transformed from shitty to great. Rewind the clock 4 years ago and the people who turned out en mass (perhaps motivated by anger or a feeling they were marginalized by the Bush administration — whatever the reason), but there they were. And they got their man. Hope has arrived. So here is a simple question that Ronald Reagan asked the American electorate during his first run, “were you better off than you were four years ago?”
People place way too many unrealistic expectations on the POTUS (and particularly Democrats). Conversely, perhaps its just as fair to criticize GOP supporters that their expectations are too low for their candidates — be that as it may, it’s ultimately not going to make this huge impact on your average American.
My thing is simply this: the tax code / system is totally, utterly FUBAR. We should have a simple flat tax (both personal and corporate) of, say, 15% across the board. If you did that, then all of the highest income payers would take a moment, do the math, and ditch all the efforts to hide income and shift it off the books — they’d simply pay the bill. The net revenues, I’m convinced, would go up. The way I look at it, the federal government is monumentally inefficient with way too much bloat and red tape and has generally become one big circle jerk, so every single extra dollar I’m paying to Uncle Sam is basically wasted (compare that to the opportunity cost of that dollar to drive investment or demand for products / services).
So that’s why I generally vote GOP. Has little to do with personal politics (or social policies). It’s bottom line driven, and in the end, Dems raise taxes (which is ends up being a figurative and literal “tax” on the economy) and GOP lowers tax.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:12 AM
Yes, limiting a patient’s damages because the wrong leg got amputated will definitely give a doctor the peace of mind to dispense proper care.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:13 AM
The Democrats got better at messaging, Bush’s failures highlighted massive problems with the real-world application of conservative ideas, and the GOP pushed themselves to loony extremes in order to appeal to a narrow base. Some of the wounds have been self inflicted, IMO.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:14 AM
Moderate conservatives are dying. Romney is the last gasp and look what he’s had to contort into to get the Repub nomination. Until independents either register as Republicans and vote in primaries, Repubs are going to be tied to the Christian, “moral” base.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:14 AM
btw, sorry for the long post, didn’t feel that long when i was typing it…
September 21st, 2012 at 10:15 AM
there is no doubt in my mind that she is the most boring lay on earth.
While I appreciate your humor, there is just no way this can be true.
/thinks back to music video in the bed sheets
//good times growing up
September 21st, 2012 at 10:15 AM
I didn’t feel it was very long when I didn’t read it, either.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:16 AM
You lost me here. The flat tax does nothing but make things harder on lower income Americans and creates more breaks for the rich.
Also wondering when the last time was Democrats raised your federal taxes. Because, it merits mentioning, we pay the lowest average tax rate since the 1950s, and the last time a Democrat raised our top marginal rate we added 22 million jobs. So no, its not a tax on the economy.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:16 AM
Doesn’t this conflict with your premise that we have to look back at the last four years and determine if things are better? Things don’t improve that quickly. The truth is that “hope and change” takes time and it will be years before we know for sure if Obama’s policies have made positive improvement. What voters should be looking at is whether they believe Obama’s policies have the country pointed in the right direction or whether Romney’s policies would improve that course.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:17 AM
Especially when you have guys like Hannity who just make it too easy. Complaining that Romney’s 47% clip was from waaaaaay back in May so it shouldn’t matter, then going off on an Obama “unearthed video” from….1998. And Craig T. Nelson with his idiotic quote.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:17 AM
The Republican Party is going the way of the Whigs as this country becomes minority majority. Real Fiscal Conservatism, social conservatism, warhawks and racists aren’t going to be able to survive under 1 tent for too much longer.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:18 AM
agoodfella – totally agree on some reform needed for the tax code system
I think we should start with letting the Bush tax cuts expire (people need to realize this isn’t a tax raise, as this just puts taxes back to pre- levels), closing loopholes and penalizing for things such as American companies hiding taxes offshore or outsourcing jobs, and significantly reducing defense spending without cutting benefits and such for military personnel.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:18 AM
20 years ago, there was no chance that any form of government-mandated insurance would ever happen. There has and will be a general growth of government influence over every facet of our lives. I’m not going to argue if that is a good or bad thing, but it is a fact. I’m also pretty sure it is a fact that you won’t see tort reform until Congress isn’t made up of lawyers. If we accept those two things as facts, then we have to accept that eventually the government is going to royally fuck up healthcare.
Because really, what was the last thing the government started running that went well?
September 21st, 2012 at 10:18 AM
Milk, you make a good point about taking out the primary trash. People like Akin and Angle and McMahon and Whitman have probably cost the GOP control of the Senate – and thus serious policy influence – when more sensible candidates would prevail in the general.
Moderate conservatives are dying. But there are a lot of independents and conservative democrats who would take a long look at a sensible conservative presidential candidate.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:20 AM
Moderate conservatives are dying.
I’d say Christie is fairly moderate. And please, come up with something of substance besides fat jokes.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:20 AM
That is what I remember too, those were the best MNF opens.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:20 AM
That Kate upton video was weird. More swimsuit shoot videos, less artsy beastiality tinged videos please.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:21 AM
Democrats are like hearding cats. They fall all over the map, from very conservative to baby-killing liberal (that’s hyperbole). The Dems were able to take control of the house because they picked up conservative seats in the South (didn’t last long, though). Those folks aren’t going to be able to find middle ground amongst themselves most of the time, let alone Repubs.
Republicans have always been a much more orderly party, thought that’s changing a bit as the center of that party has lurched rightward. You see old school, deal-cutting repubs, like Boehner and McConnell, dealing with hard-line conservatives.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:21 AM
If only Romney would actually discuss what he’s going to do instead of attack his opponent’s positions .
September 21st, 2012 at 10:21 AM
Nitpicking here, but most companies aren’t “hiding” money offshore, they’re just keeping offshore profits overseas to avoid paying taxes.
Also, if companies reduce the amount of outsourcing, and then profits are down and stock prices are down, what have we accomplished?
September 21st, 2012 at 10:22 AM
Couldn’t agree more. Our taxes have to go up, and while I think the wealthiest Americans who have enjoyed so much gain over the last decade should certainly pay more, we all need to contribute. The crazy thing about the Bush Tax Cuts — and what Bush knew damn well when he enacted them — is that temporary relief has a way of becoming permanent very quickly. Obama wouldn’t be raising taxes. He’d be letting a temporary program expire.
I think we’re going to see this with mortgage rates in three-five years. The Fed will keep rates around 3-4 percent until 2015, and once they start to rise to normal levels the housing market will lock up because everyone will think rates are rising to absurd heights.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:23 AM
How about lazy jokes like riding in a helicopter to a limo to a field?
September 21st, 2012 at 10:24 AM
September 21st, 2012 at 10:24 AM
Do you think he’d ever make it out of the Iowa Caucauses or the South Carolina Primary?
September 21st, 2012 at 10:24 AM
Eliminating corporate income tax is something that makes sense but the public wouldn’t get behind it so politicians never dare suggest it
September 21st, 2012 at 10:24 AM
For all the blabbering you hear about the media giving Obama a pass, it’s incredible that a candidate for president has been able to survive this long without detailing a single policy action or solution.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:25 AM
I don’t think “London” is the area she’s biggest in
/sure someone already said it
//doesn’t care, missed the Roundup
September 21st, 2012 at 10:25 AM
Frankly, give the lowest Americans an even lower rate. The key are the top earners, since they pay the lion’s share of the overall tax dollar anyway. If you made it more efficient, transparent and easy, they’d stop hiring lawyers and accountant to create offshore vehicles and shell companies to hide the income, they’d do the math of all of that hustle and say, “15%? Book it.” And you’d see an increase.
The point of tax is to raise revenues for the Federal government, it shouldn’t be used as a political tool and there certainly shouldn’t be an entire industry thriving on people’s inability to maneuver through it.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:25 AM
Not sure how that’s computed…but if 46% are paying no income tax and the top marginal tax rate is lower than it has been under many other administrations it certainly makes sense. Not sure how true that is for the “middle class” though.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:25 AM
I think American companies should pay American tax rates on all their income regardless of where it’s earned.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:26 AM
Real Fiscal Conservatism, social conservatism, warhawks and racists aren’t going to be able to survive under 1 tent for too much longer
what about the racists on the left? where do they go?
September 21st, 2012 at 10:26 AM
Once they create some new tax code it will be exploited. All these unemployed CPAs and tax attorneys cant go into some other fields. I like the idea of a simpler tax code but I’m not naive enough to think it’ll be that simple.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:27 AM
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September 21st, 2012 at 10:27 AM
Fenway Park
September 21st, 2012 at 10:27 AM
I agree with this and I dont get why people put so much importance into one person, whoever they support. But also Republicans 4-6 months into Obama’s term were saying where is all the hope and change he promised? See told you he was awful, worst POTUS ever, and other hyperbole. You have to give him (whomever he or she is) time. People want everything instantly.
Every four years has turned into “The Biggest, Most Important Election of Your Lifetime!”.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:28 AM
The re-election of Obama (God help us) will prove what shambles the GOP is in right now. The party has no direction whatsoever, and Romney is practically throwing the election with his stupidity. 4 more years of Soc***ism are coming people…may as well get used to it.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:28 AM
Htown, it’s a YOY average that includes deductions so that’s how the number shakes out. I’m not sure what the middle class rate is compared to historical averages, but I can check later. I imagine it’s pretty competitive with the Bush tax cuts factored in.
Goodfella: it gives the poor a lower federal rate in theory, but in actuality they pay no federal taxes because of their bracket and deductions. You also have to remember the state and payroll taxes that come out of our checks, too.
It makes sense for the upper strata, but not the rest.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:29 AM
Government small enough to cram into a vagina through an unnecessary probe.
Taxes are at a record low.
Social safety net gets lowered any further you will force unrest
USA outspends close to every country combined on the military.
Congrats, you have what you want except for perhaps extended the hardship of veterans and the poor under the guise of ‘personal responsibility.”
Here’s how it works Jimmy:
1. GOP runs up huge deficit when in power
2. Deficit allows them to cut social programs disguised as fiscal policy
3. Allow them to block all Dem policy when in power alluding to deficit
4. Rinse repeat
September 21st, 2012 at 10:29 AM
It’s the NOW society we’ve become. Americans are told this about President’s Day car sales, what makes you think presidential elections would be any different?
September 21st, 2012 at 10:29 AM
Blame the 24 hour news cycle. The tabloidization of news doesn’t help, either.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:29 AM
Nitpicking here, but most companies aren’t “hiding” money offshore, they’re just keeping offshore profits overseas to avoid paying taxes.
Oh look with Microsoft and HP did. Coburn please shut your mouth. You’re not looking too goo these days. He’s OK with killing the veterans jobs bill, but he’s defending these corporations?
September 21st, 2012 at 10:29 AM
Somebody doesn’t understand the word “frivolous” this morning.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:29 AM
Using “penalize” was the wrong word regarding US companies who outsource or hide money. If we want to fine or penalize them, fine, but how about we incentivize those who keep their resources and jobs in our country?
September 21st, 2012 at 10:30 AM
You bring up a very fair point. I’m certainly not going to be able to explain my views in a few simple posts on a sports blog, but I will say that the ability for a sitting POTUS to have some kind of tangible and lasting impact on an individual’s life is naive at best and delusional at worst. Of course at the margin they have an impact, but with the way that partisan politics is today, its very difficult (if not impossible) to make these huge lasting changes that people are hungry for — that may sound defeatist, and perhaps it is to an extent that you leave your own fate in the hands of a politician sitting in the Oval Office, and that is my point: your life is generally what you make of it.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:30 AM
This is the problem I was talking to my wife about last night. As a fiscal Conservative, I frankly hate voting Democrat. But I still at least believe Obama is a decent guy with good intentions, even though we differ in our politics.
The two parties should not be as far apart as they are, and it’s a travesty what the Republican party has become. I’m pretty sure most reasonable people generally agree on most issues, just maybe not on the degree of implementation. Most Republicans and Democrats are okay with food stamps… some just may want the program bigger or smaller. This is one area I think it’s perfectly okay to blame the media for creating, and thriving on the dramatic split between the two parties.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:30 AM
what about the racists on the left? where do they go?
Fenway Park
so good.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:31 AM
I’d prefer for companies to keep jobs in the US, but in the real world companies are going to do what makes the most business sense. The real people to blame are those darned American consumers who prefer lower prices over “Made in the USA” labels.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:31 AM
they stay in your imagination until the next time you need a strawman to involve yourself in a conversation.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:31 AM
I’m curious about what you mean here. Are you saying that if a US company has operations in India, they should declare that income on their US tax return and pay US tax rates on it. Then, if they pay any taxes on the same income in India, they would get a credit in the US for those taxes paid, so the effect would be that they would only pay additional taxes in the US to the extent that the tax rate is higher here than in India?
September 21st, 2012 at 10:32 AM
Nitpicking here, but most companies aren’t “hiding” money offshore, they’re just keeping offshore profits overseas to avoid paying taxes.
exactly. if we had a corporate tax rate here that was not as low as over there, companies would gladly keep it here.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:32 AM
The rich have never been richer, the income gap is larger than its been in a quarter century, and the stock market is thriving. Textbook S-lism right there.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:32 AM
Romney is an idiot, however there isn’t one Obama ad running now that does anything but attack Romney either. Works both ways.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:33 AM
they stay in your imagination until the next time you need a strawman to involve yourself in a conversation.
How do those blinders fit you?
September 21st, 2012 at 10:33 AM
Most “tort reform” include caps on punitive damages – like a $250,000 cap.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:33 AM
There’s some pretty neat advocate journalism done by ABC World News regarding this.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:34 AM
/applause
September 21st, 2012 at 10:34 AM
Yes. 60 Minutes did a neat story a few years back about how major American businesses are moving their “corporate headquarters” to countries like Switzerland to avoid paying American taxes. When Scott Pelley went over there to investigate, the “corporate headquaters” was a small office with a receptionist and no staff. We need to do a better job of enforcing these laws.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:34 AM
they stay in your imagination until the next time you need a strawman to involve yourself in a conversation.
you are just awesome. the gift that keeps on giving. keep it up, sportsfan!
September 21st, 2012 at 10:34 AM
Youtube.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:35 AM
Sure, no doubt. But I’ve got a pretty good idea what Barack Obama is about regarding policies. I’ve got little idea about Romney because he doesn’t talk much about it.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:35 AM
I’m not poor enough for Obama to help me, I’m not rich enough for Romney to help me, and I live in a state where the election is assured to be Republican anyway. Voting in the Presidential election is a facade, only for me. Congressional elections matter more, though I live in a district which is carefully drawn to be Democrat (one of two, out of nine in TN)
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/TN
September 21st, 2012 at 10:36 AM
How strong exactly do you want the military in your fantasy scenario? The amount of military expenditure makes the first two impossible and it’s the conservatives that refuse to allow any cuts to the military budget even though our spending is more than the next 10 countries on the list per year.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:36 AM
Romney doesn’t like committing to a philosophy since it’s subject to change during the next campaign reboot
September 21st, 2012 at 10:37 AM
The only thing more predictable than the premature “Romney is done” narrative is the inevitable “Romney comeback!” narrative in two weeks when the polls tighten.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:37 AM
Less money for Wall Streeters, more money for Real Streeters.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:37 AM
What else is Obama supposed to do? He can’t debate Romney’s policies because Romney won’t tell anyone what they are.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:37 AM
but I will say that the ability for a sitting POTUS to have some kind of tangible and lasting impact on an individual’s life is naive at best and delusional at worst
I thnk it does have impact but you dont see the impact for years. There was a time I was reading everything on Watergate and the last years of the Nixon presidency. I read some good items on how the inaction led to the economic stall that hurt us in the Carter presidency. Likewise, some of the inaction in the 2nd Reagan term hurt the nation during the Bush 41 years. Time will tell but flipping course on policy so quickly seems premature.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:38 AM
I can’t stand 60 Minutes because all they do is point out issues and never offer any solutions. They also love to point out the few exceptions, and use them to draw conclusions about the other 99%.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:38 AM
I don’t think having a fleet like in Starship Troopers is too much to ask
September 21st, 2012 at 10:38 AM
Completely agree on both. I just don’t happen to like what Obama is about, but that’s why you have elections, for people to choose. Romney is botching this thing so badly however, that he’ll need a miracle to win. The best hope the GOP has is for Biden to just keep talking and talking.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:39 AM
damn
And I don’t like most of his policies, especially the health care ones which are only increasing costs. The two biggest health care issues in medicine right now 1) avoiding needless ER visits, by giving people accessible primary care and 2) preventative/maintenance care. Frankly, I’d like to see the government hire 10,000 NPs, and pay 80% of their salaries (let non-poor people who see them at their clinics pay the other 20%). Eliminate the reimbursement issues, and stop having excessive medical bills because your kid got a sniffle and you didn’t feel like making a Dr. appointment. Just have NPs sit outside the ERs and grab anyone who looks like they are too healthy for it.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:40 AM
This isn’t the case anymore, as just about everybody has a 401k and is affected by the stock market. Not to mention that depressed stock prices affect a company’s hiring and reinvestment policies.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:40 AM
Yeah, I think the idea is good, but enforcement would be the issue. In the current era of multi-national corporations, there will always be advantages to be found in the varying tax laws of different nations. The IRS will always be behind big business in figuring these things out. They are trying though, there’s a new legislation coming into effect called FATCA that is trying to enforce tax withholding for US investors sheltering investments overseas.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:41 AM
So, because the reforms are badly written means they are the only way to go?
Lawyer1- “Hey, I wrote up this hilarious bill that caps damages at 250K.
Lawyer2- “That will never go through.”
Lawyer1- “Exactly.”
September 21st, 2012 at 10:41 AM
What’s, uh, going on in here?
September 21st, 2012 at 10:41 AM
We’re (Americans) are partially at fault here, too. We want everything and typically terrible at making choices. “I want great schools, infrastructure, job programs and medicare, but I want my taxes to disappear. I want the best military in the world but smaller government. I want my kids to be safe but fewer environmental regulations.”
There’s room to maneuver inside those opposing ideals. But for the most part these concepts are mutually exclusive and demand some sacrifice that we’re unwilling to make.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:41 AM
Ah, man, I agree with a lot of this. I’ve worked at a hospital the past three years on the business side and this is definitely a growing issue.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:42 AM
May I offer some Gary Johnson?
I’m in the same boat, but the mirror image, as NJ will always vote Dem. I asked a buddy of mine in politics what to do, and he said to always vote 3rd party in this situation.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:42 AM
exactly. if we had a corporate tax rate here that was not as low as over there, companies would gladly keep it here.
don’t worry folks. everything is fine!
September 21st, 2012 at 10:42 AM
From where are you deriving your idea that I think enough isn’t being spent on the military currently?
September 21st, 2012 at 10:42 AM
The other issue is that he can’t run on his own record because it fucking sucks. So you have 2 assholes who won’t discuss policy because Romney keeps it a secret and Obama’s policies are that of Soc***ism which has failed all over the world for a hundred years.
The debates should be really fun!!!
September 21st, 2012 at 10:43 AM
CBO shows that the polcies will save money in the long run.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:43 AM
I actually really enjoy 60 Minutes. Not sure their job is to offer solutions, though. They just report the news. Agree to disagree I suppose.
I did not know that, thanks.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:44 AM
This is a talking point and not fact based on his record…the health care plan doesn’t mean we’re now a soci@list state
September 21st, 2012 at 10:45 AM
Being for limited government and a strong military is now considered hypocritical?
September 21st, 2012 at 10:46 AM
Parents who don’t have a ride to take their the doctor so they call an ambulance to go to the ER, because Medicaid covers it so it’s cheaper for them than a cab ride.
These are the kind of wastes that I’m pretty sure even the Spend-o-crats think is unnecessary and needs to be fixed. There’s no excuse for this huge divide… I don’t think all liberals think we should all give away all our money to anyone who asks, which is what FoxNews apparently thinks.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:47 AM
This is another one of my favorite right-wing talking points (outside of the S-word, of course. See my other post for rebuttal). Four million jobs have been added since he took over, healthcare reform was enacted, financial reform was enacted, we’ve killed over 50 high-ranking terrorists (including UBL), and successfully intervened in Libya. How that’s a shitty record I’ll never understand.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:47 AM
Not yet, but as Obama has said repeatedly, he hasn’t had enough time to do what he wants to do. Rest assured, bigger government and more redistribution is coming though.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:48 AM
I don’t think it’s debatable that providing SOME MANNER of standard of health care for all US citizens is both moral and would lower overall costs. I’m pretty sure many Republicans would rather pay more for their premiums though, than to pay less but have some of that (overtly) go to cover the uninsured. Apparently they think that when poor people show up at the ER, and the hospital can’t turn them away, the hospital just eats the cost, rather than charging the insurance companies of everyone else $24 for a dose of ibuprofen.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:49 AM
more redistribution is coming though.
Poor Dr. Zhivago. He never saw it coming.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:49 AM
Settle down now. It’s just a more expensive mess. However good intentioned it may be, it’s still a mess.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:49 AM
Care to give us an idea of how strong you want the military? Right now the military spending makes limited government impossible because of the amount of bureaucracy involved in spending it.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:50 AM
And cutting reimbursement isn’t the solution.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:50 AM
Dont forget Sharia Law and death panels.
Serious question: how do you supposed Obama would create a larger government and “redistribute wealth?”
September 21st, 2012 at 10:51 AM
So he needs to turn into Sarah Palin
September 21st, 2012 at 10:51 AM
Everything’s great folks!
September 21st, 2012 at 10:52 AM
He is also taking away our guns, telling us what to drive, and putting conservatives in FEMA camps if re-elected. Didnt get around to that in first four years.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:52 AM
The moment anybody stands up to the DOD establishment they get carded “soft on defense and foreign policy” by the vast sum of the GOP, and that’s a political suicide b/c that’s an emotional trigger that works on Election Day. But people’s faith in the use of our military spending is likely at an all-time low. And the fact that military and defense spending is one of the least transparent areas in financial reporting, makes it that much worse.
/shift defense cuts to homeland security costs.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:52 AM
The best hope the GOP has is for Biden to just keep talking and talking.
People don’t vote for Vice President. Biden could call Republicans a bunch of crooks tomorrow and the effect upon Obama’s numbers would be minimal and fleeting.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:53 AM
Go ahead, throw away your vote!
/kodos and kang’d
September 21st, 2012 at 10:53 AM
I wouldnt characterize it as a mess, but agree that its complex and imperfect. That said, it’s still forward momentum. It was an achievement. Nutso tea baggers and S-word lunatics aside, I do think there are some legitimate issues with the plan that need to be addressed.
Overall, I’m tired of paying for the millions of people that don’t have insurance but still use the system. Anything that helps alleviate that concern is a positive for me, even as a first step.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:54 AM
Go ahead, throw away your vote!
/kodos and kang’d
“I don’t understand why we have to build a giant ray gun to destroy a planet I’ve never heard of.”
“Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos.”
September 21st, 2012 at 10:54 AM
This is one of the stats that Obama supporters love, but is completely useless. The unemployment rate has nearly doubled from 2008 to 2012 (from approx. 5% to 8-9%)
Who cares if 4 million jobs were added if, say, 5 million people lost theirs? And is 4 million a good number? Should it be 6? Should it be 3? That’s my point. It’s kind of like saying, the Broncos gained 105 rushing yards last night — is that enough to tell you anything significant about how the game turned out?
September 21st, 2012 at 10:54 AM
Don’t know why. He had a filibuster proof majority.
/full circle
September 21st, 2012 at 10:55 AM
Romney putting Paul Ryan on the ticket was just what I needed to care about the election because if it’s an endorsement of the Ryan budget then that’s all I need to know about his political philosophy
September 21st, 2012 at 10:55 AM
But now some Repubs want to save the popular parts of the HC la, like no denial based on preexisting conditions. Think how expensive that’ll be when there’s no healthy people to offset those costs.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:55 AM
Slowest recovery in history from the worst recession since the Depression. So he takes over during what essentially is an all time low, and unemployment is actually up. That’s like taking over for the Astros and winning 60 games next year instead of 59.
Health care reform had to be shoved down everyone’s throats via the Supreme Court (AS A TAX!!!). Oh, and unemployment, food stamps, disability claims are all up. His record on transitioning us to a welfare state is stellar.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:56 AM
Really strong? Not sure how to answer that question specifically. I’d rather over-spend than under-spend though, seeing as how national defense is one of the few powers explicitly given to the federal government in that silly Constitution.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:56 AM
Yes, exactly. We pay it anyway, let’s pay it less. NPs are way cheaper, and really good (I know a lot of people who have had great experiences at minute clinics, including my wife, because it’s so much easier than going to a Dr.).
My ammo stockpile arrived last night. That fucking groundhog is gonna get got.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:57 AM
Me. That’s all that really matters when I cast my vote. Also, my job was one of those 4 million so that helps, too.
We gained four million jobs on his watch. Is he to blame for the economic collapse? Even if we need 6 what more could he do? This goes back to one of my favorite points about jobs, one I use a lot: when the economy is great everyone built their own business and is responsible for their own success. When it’s terrible, it’s the government’s fault for not doing more.
I think Obama did everything within his power to heal the economy. Could he have acted differently in some respects? Maybe. But I don’t believe there would be a measurable difference in outcome. Which is why he’ll get my vote.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:57 AM
Then you must feel great about all the illegals enjoying the new health care system without a tax penalty too.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:57 AM
Fuck the Constituion!
/Republicans who use it to keep their guns, but ignore to impose on religious freedom
September 21st, 2012 at 10:58 AM
/full circle
So who is Cabrera voting for?
/fuller circle
September 21st, 2012 at 10:59 AM
Romney putting Paul Ryan on the ticket was just what I needed to care about the election because if it’s an endorsement of the Ryan budget then that’s all I need to know about his political philosophy
People say that they didn’t vote for McCain because of Palin, which is not the case. People don’t vote for Vice President. In other words, people are still voting for President and the candidate’s choice of Vice Presidential candidate may reflect upon the candidate himself in the voter’s eyes. I realize that’s a rather fine hair to split, but for political scientists its a world of difference.
September 21st, 2012 at 10:59 AM
in that silly Constitution.
Bring back 3/5ths!
September 21st, 2012 at 10:59 AM
Has anyone ever seen 48yearslump and ImJustSayin in the same room at the same time?
September 21st, 2012 at 10:59 AM
The Department of Defense is mammoth in size and wasteful. The number of different locations involved in building a single plane we never use (a widget produced here, a screw produced there) and where these factories are located provides all of the info you need why Repbulicans consistently fight tooth and nail against defense cuts. The vast majority of our discretionary budget goes towards defense, and things such as infrastructure and education lose out.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:00 AM
Yep. My biggest issue is there’s false intent everywhere. Let’s stop spending… by which I mean cut the small amount of $ going to planned parenthood to advance my pro-life agenda! I feel like a small group of reasonable people could very easily fix a lot of the issues created by our massive government.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:00 AM
I actually think some of that is true. McCain was old and Palin grossly unqualified. There was a legitimate line of succession problem there. Overall, though, I agree with you.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:01 AM
No doubt. No doubt at all. That damn Constitution.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:01 AM
I feel great any time we can ensure the health and well-being of fellow human beings. As a human and a Christian, I feel like it is impossible to do otherwise, without being a hypocritical selfish asshole.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:02 AM
How about a number? Right now we spend more than the next 10 countries in the world (a good chunk of whom are our allies, UK, France, Germany, Japan, Saudi Arabia). If we look at 2011′s spending, the US spent $739.3 billion while the next 10 combined spend $486.7 billion. Would slashing it so the US only spent $486.7 billion next year work for you?
September 21st, 2012 at 11:02 AM
I’ve stockpiled gold guns, including a tear gas launcher made from melted down Saint-Gaudens double eagle coins that can can be retro-fitted to shoot out MREs during a food riot.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:02 AM
Of all the days to have a meeting and miss the conversation…
September 21st, 2012 at 11:02 AM
Tried to 30 seconds to write this politely but fuck you you ignorant cunt. America spends more on defense THAN ALL OTHER COUNTRIES COMBINED.
Fuck you. You want less taxes but want to pay more than $2141 per person on that shit? Fuck you.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:02 AM
The silly Constitution also forbids a permanent standing Army.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:03 AM
I almost definitely would have voted for McCain had he picked Lieberman.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:04 AM
I actually think some of that is true. McCain was old and Palin grossly unqualified. There was a legitimate line of succession problem there. Overall, though, I agree with you.
I don’t recall during that election campaign any Democrat ever using the bogeyman argument of “McCain is old, this crazy cunt could be your next President! Vote Obama-Biden”. Partially because it’s a little gauche, but I also don’t think either side, or any Super PAC for that matter, is above doing so. The effect of the VP pick is that it is a reflection of the candidate himself. McCain’s pick of Palin undermined the argument that he was a principled, pragmatic conservative because it appeared that he bowed to pressure from the party’s right to “balance the ticket”. That’s the extent to which Palin affected McCain’s candidacy. Her subsequent gaffes only reflected upon McCain’s choice and own qualities as a presidential candidate.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:04 AM
You make a lot of good, solid points, but I did have to laugh at this one. I can’t imagine a democrat NOT getting your vote.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:04 AM
well you have to shove it down their throats first. You know, for two years.
/hyperbole
September 21st, 2012 at 11:05 AM
You just sit there, shut up, and enjoy the freedom provided by the United States Armed Forces, solely due to the fact we share a common border.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:05 AM
Pics or it didnt happen.
This is a pretty damn good, intelligent reasonable discussion with a few exceptions.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:05 AM
LOL
Wow, just wow. So anyone breaking the law is just one of your fellow human beings in need of care, concern, and free everything. You’re officially in the liberal HOF, congrats.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:06 AM
I almost definitely would have voted for McCain had he picked Lieberman.
He was never, ever going to pick Lieberman.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:06 AM
I’m not actually a Christian, but were I, I would certainly see in the Bible where it talks about taking care of the poor and the sick, and not just use God as a propaganda punch line to advance my twisted hypocrisy.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:06 AM
I would’ve helped Jesus, too.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:07 AM
He was never, ever going to pick Lieberman.
It was at least a possibility… even if merely a pipe dream http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/politics/McCain-Was-Leaning-Toward-Lieberman-Adviser-81127212.html
September 21st, 2012 at 11:07 AM
I think Obama did everything within his power to heal the economy. Could he have acted differently in some respects? Maybe. But I don’t believe there would be a measurable difference in outcome.
this i do not agree with. more restrictions on bailouts, seperating i banks and c banks, more money moved to infrastructure. all of these would have had a tremendous impact. just huge.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:07 AM
You’re officially in the liberal HOF, congrats.
Is that a bad thing?
September 21st, 2012 at 11:07 AM
I actually voted for a Republican mayor where I live (he lost) and occasionally vote for Republicans in the state legislature. To me, it’s more about ideas and platforms than the letter next to your state. The reason why I can’t stand republicans right now if because their national platform and leadership exhibits arrogance, bigotry and a lack of intelligence in stunning quantities.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:08 AM
He really, really wanted Lieberman. He couldn’t get that past teh republican orthodixy though.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:09 AM
It was at least a possibility… even if merely a pipe dream http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/politics/McCain-Was-Leaning-Toward-Lieberman-Adviser-81127212.html
Parlor talk. That’s all it was.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:09 AM
A great VP pick might not be a win on election day, but a bad VP pick can hurt you on election day.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:09 AM
First Conservative elected to the Liberal HoF, how exciting for me. Me and Jeter will have something in common when he becomes the first steroid user in the MLB HoF
September 21st, 2012 at 11:09 AM
Congrats man. No joke. But, something tells me that you had a lot more to do with that outcome than Obama did, just saying…
September 21st, 2012 at 11:09 AM
You have way too much faith in the government.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:09 AM
He couldn’t move money to infrastructure: GOP wouldn’t let him spend it. A full third of the stimulus included tax cuts to appease Republicans who then voted against it anyway.
The bank separation would have made sense but I’m not sure how it would have created more recovery. Same with the bonuses, which appalled me. Lewis dives into it well in The Big Short.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:11 AM
Serious questions, when it comes to healthcare, who do you have more faith in, an insurance company or the government?
September 21st, 2012 at 11:11 AM
I think a McCain-Ventura ticket had a better chance against GWB that one year in the GOP primary than the McCain-Leiberman parlor talk ticket.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:12 AM
As long as there’s someone around to foot the bill, no. And certainly not in the comments section of a sports blog.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:12 AM
Godfuckingdamnit I hate agreeing with you, QS, but apparently we are on the same page. My biggest problem with the Right is that it’s impossible to do it in moderation, to be in favor of as small government as limited spending as reasonable. I’m fairly certain that Obama could cut taxes, and the budget, and somehow the Republicans would criticize him for making government too small. It’s no longer about an ideology, it’s about being Not-Obama.
Kinda of what was I saying before about the media creating a giant divide that wouldn’t be nearly as big were it just based on the differences in individuals’ political philosophies.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:13 AM
Can you guys get your talking points straightened out please? I thought it was more than the next 10 countries combined?
Also, that number isn’t changing as long as America is the the police force of the world.
If we hadn’t given Canada back to Britain, we could be subdividing that bitch up and selling it off to the highest bidder. That would cover our costs.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:14 AM
Given only those two choices, I’ll take an insurance company every time.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:15 AM
He couldn’t move money to infrastructure: GOP wouldn’t let him spend it. A full third of the stimulus included tax cuts to appease Republicans who then voted against it anyway.
The bank separation would have made sense but I’m not sure how it would have created more recovery. Same with the bonuses, which appalled me. Lewis dives into it well in The Big Short.
seperating banks would have prevented more derivative creation (still happening one the commercial real estate side) on the c banks wallet, which would free up c banks to lend more to businesses large and small.
i didnt know the repubs blocked infrastructure spending. thats just stupid.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:15 AM
Fair enough.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:15 AM
When exactly did we have Canada? I’d love to hear this one.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:16 AM
A great VP pick might not be a win on election day, but a bad VP pick can hurt you on election day.
Very, very debatable. If a campaign chooses a poor VP candidate that has not been definitively shown in the past to the the reason a campaign loses. There are often other factors, including staff and vetting issues, which allowed for the poor pick in the first place and which is indicative of larger problems within a campaign.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:16 AM
My answer would be doctors. However, socialized medicine chases more good doctors out of the profession. That would be why so many Canadians come to the US when they need immediate, quality health care. Or used to anyway.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:16 AM
The health care law had to put in language stating that minors couldn’t be denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions so it stands to reason that minors were being denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions
September 21st, 2012 at 11:16 AM
As long as there’s someone around to foot the bill, no. And certainly not in the comments section of a sports blog.
I just didn’t know liberal was a bad word. There was certainly a negative tone associated with it.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:17 AM
So insurance companies will give away free healthcare? Do you understand how general business principles work? Their goal is to maximize the bottom line. The goal of hospitals is to maximize the bottom line. They will do whatever they can to exploit that.
The role of the government in health care needs to be to provide for the general welfare of those who can’t provide it for themselves. They are protecting people FROM the insurance companies.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:17 AM
Canada won the east in the War of 1812 (one of the reasons they celebrate it soo fucking much). The US compromised with Britian in the West 54-40 .or fight
September 21st, 2012 at 11:18 AM
I was actually being serious. I don’t mind wading into politics.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:19 AM
Conservative or not, if they were illegal immigrants or not, I’d be appalled and ashamed if there were people starving to death and dying of easily-preventable disease. This is the United States of America… not the “stay away from my fucking money who gives a shit about the other people States of America”
September 21st, 2012 at 11:19 AM
It’s a terrible word. Conservatives have spent at least my lifetime and probably much longer making it that way.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:20 AM
Well, shit I didn’t know that was so horrible.
It’s not enough to be anti-Obama, because I don’t think (and the polls reflect this) people believe he’s doing a terrible job. Plus, they like him personally. The GOP needs to present a clear series of alternatives, but they can’t do that because they know there are no alternatives.
I’m hoping that if/when Obama wins, the GOP finally turns reasonable and works with his administration to tackle these problems jointly. Hard to imagine them being intractable for another four years.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:21 AM
I don’t like being called a liberal. I don’t think that not wanting bloating dying children on our streets makes me a particularly flaming left-winger. I still believe in as small government as possible, I just don’t really think that it should be so small as to let people die for no reason, and let children starve because of their parents’ bad decisions, etc.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:22 AM
Again, please explain how we have socialized medicine under Obama? Still waiting on an explanation about how he can broaden government and redistribute wealth.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:22 AM
Here’s where my cynicism come in. They’re still going to be intractable (any opposition party would be) because anymore is a 2 year election cycle, with the house and sentate up for grabs.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:22 AM
I find it very easy to imagine them being intractable. Their new goal will be to damage the Democrats brand by being intractable so that Hillary?/candidate in 2016 can’t win.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:22 AM
I thought that four years ago. I thought it was a good time for a Democrat, and by then the Republicans would be much more moderate, and draw the middling portion of the vote, and we’d be fairly unified in 2012. See I was TOTALLY RIGHT.
(I’m pretty sure) you don’t like the Patriots. I find that hard to get past.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:24 AM
“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy”
“A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee”
“He speaks with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.”
“If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman of any color, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.”
September 21st, 2012 at 11:24 AM
I’ve heard this line of thinking floated a few times lately and frankly I think it’s highly unlikely to happen. Unless the GOP gets its clock cleaned and the moderates take back the party from the hard right wing, I think the GOP is actually more likely to say, “Mitt lost because he wasn’t a TRUE conservative.” They’ll dig in and seek out candidates who are even purer.
They think it’s a messaging problem, like if they could just explain themselves better people will line up on their side. When in actuality the more people understand the GOP they more they recoil from it.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:25 AM
I hope you are a healthcare provider, to be saying this. I’m all for high doctor compensation, but they aren’t exactly starving. The solution will be to establish grants so that medical school is much cheaper, and affordable to people who aren’t interested in lucrative specialties.
I know it hurts your ignorant narrative, but there has been a shortage of primary care physicians since well-before Obama took office.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:28 AM
Also, how do they suddenly turn from a message that they spent 4 years crafting to becoming reasonable? It would get them voted out of office by someone further to the right who would argue that Obama’s policies were still bad now. The Tea Party will be all over anyone who tries to be bipartisan.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:29 AM
I don’t love the Pats. Don’t really hate them, either. Although, as a Ravens fan, I hate them this week.
I keep hoping they realize its not the messenger but the message. I’m not optimistic, though.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:30 AM
I think government gridlock is often a wonderful thing.
Also, I’m learning today that only Republicans are obstructionists and Democrats have apparently never considered the idea, let alone acted on it.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:31 AM
It’s a terrible word. Conservatives have spent at least my lifetime and probably much longer making it that way.
You’re right. It didn’t use to be though. Arthur Schlesinger, before he died, wrote an essay in which he talked about changing political winds over time. For about 30 years it was ‘cool’ to be called liberal. The election of Reagan in 1980 along with his highly successful “Southern Strategy” (a part of American politics which the average person does not give nearly enough attention to) there began to be a movement away from the notion of ‘liberal’ being good. The so-called Republican Revolution of 1994 was a major tipping point in politics in this country. Republicans controlled the House and the Senate for most of the next 12 years. During that time they were in the news more and more as a counterbalance to a two term Democratic president (Clinton). This exposure along with other social factors has led more and more Americans to consider themselves ‘conservative’ while liberal has accrued some negative connotations. It’s based upon changes in the political landscape but also upon how individuals in society choose to label themselves. These labels may or may not actually coincide with the definition of the label, strictly speaking. But that’s almost beside the point.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:31 AM
Democrats don’t have the stones to pull it off. They try and then back down.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:31 AM
I think the Tea Party is done, at least in terms of influence. A lot of these clowns are going to lose their House seats in November and we’ve already seen Bohner’s willingness to deal if allowed.
Even if he loses the election, Obama holds all the leverage in the coming Bush Tax Cuts fight. All he has to do is not sign the extension and the cuts expire. Bohner knows that, Obama knows Bohner knows that, and he’s going to cut a deal that pretty much eliminates the baggers altogether.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:32 AM
Would love for the GOP to go full Libertarian, fuck off with the religious right and the two parties can argue about the size and role of government instead women’s rights, sharia law, teh gays, war mongering and policing the world.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:32 AM
Damn, the Canada joke went about as well as McTibble “joking” about baseball.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:32 AM
I learned that politicians are self-serving assholes.
/Not really, I knew that before today
September 21st, 2012 at 11:32 AM
Oh Christ, give me a break. Spare us the “pox on both their houses” bullshit. Nobody – NOBODY – has obstructed like Republicans the last few years. It’s been well documented that the GOP’s sole strategy is to beat Obama. That’s it. There’s nothing more.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:32 AM
Shocking, I thought all Baltimore fans hated them. I probably would after some of those losses. Guess that hate is reserved for Indy/Pittsburgh. Good to know.
Gonna be an interesting game this week, because the Pats WRs really do have trouble beating coverage, and one of those two teams is going to be in a small hole, though I think both should fairly easily win their division in the end. I think I’m going Baltimore outright, though it’s tough to bet against NE after a loss.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:33 AM
Check out filibuster usage stats over the last decade. The Republican FUARC (Filibuster Usage Above Replacement Congress) is through the roof.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:33 AM
/pats self on back
September 21st, 2012 at 11:34 AM
I’ve heard this line of thinking floated a few times lately and frankly I think it’s highly unlikely to happen. Unless the GOP gets its clock cleaned and the moderates take back the party from the hard right wing, I think the GOP is actually more likely to say, “Mitt lost because he wasn’t a TRUE conservative.” They’ll dig in and seek out candidates who are even purer.
There was a story in the Washington Post this morning in which senior Republicans admitted that if Obama wins reelection that they will likely have to bend to new taxes next year. Corker of Tennessee even went so far to say that if they can solve Medicare issues together–no small feat in itself–then that will open the door to Republicans voting for measures which would increase revenue.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:35 AM
Yes please! Frankly I think the President argument is largely a waste. Congress has really been the issue (unless you can successfully argue it’s because of a lack of leadership)
September 21st, 2012 at 11:35 AM
Cant hate the Pats for Evans dropping a game-winning TD and Cundiff shanking the tying FG.
I think Baltimore is 1-2 come Monday. That defense is atrocious with Suggs out and a new D-coordinator scared to blitz. My only hope is that Flacco runs the no-huddle, eliminating Cam Cameron’s idiocy from the equation.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:37 AM
Flacco can run the no-huddle? I thought only good QBs could handle that.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:37 AM
I really hope so. I would honestly like there to be a non-lunatic alternative to the Democratic party. Even though I’m a Democrat I think a credible opposition is healthy if only for each party to keep its own excesses in check.
But I’m not optimistic. At an institutional level, it’s a long march back to sanity for the GOP. Seems unlikely to happen overnight.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:37 AM
And we have a winner. I just wish the assholes would vote themselves another raise. Then the full might of FOX, MSNC, and John Stewart would all work together to bring them down. It would be glorious.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:39 AM
And we have a winner. I just wish the assholes would vote themselves another raise. Then the full might of FOX, MSNC, and John Stewart would all work together to bring them down. It would be glorious.
Don’t count on it. Congressional pay is rarely a point of public discourse. Whether or not it should be is a different story, but in this climate I do not see the various odds and ends of the journalistic world coming together to chide Congress on giving themselves a raise.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:41 AM
Republican obstructionists are worse than Democrat obstructionists! No president has EVER been as disrespected as this president! blah blah blah
September 21st, 2012 at 11:42 AM
I haven’t believe in American democracy since George HW Bush listened to Lisa Simpson’s words and brought down Congressman Bob Arnold
September 21st, 2012 at 11:43 AM
Just because you put a snarky exclamation point after something doesn’t negate the truthfulness of it
September 21st, 2012 at 11:44 AM
Out of ammo, I see.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:46 AM
Southern Strategy was Nixon in 68. Getting whites to join the Republican Party because of the Voting Rights Act.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:46 AM
Wednesday they voted against a veteran’s job bill that would not add to the deficit that included all GOP provisions added to the bill. C’mon man.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:47 AM
Republican obstructionists are worse than Democrat obstructionists! No president has EVER been as disrespected as this president! blah blah blah
starting to sound like a whiny dem.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:49 AM
Can you provide me the example of Democratic obstructionists?
September 21st, 2012 at 11:49 AM
Southern Strategy was Nixon in 68. Getting whites to join the Republican Party because of the Voting Rights Act.
True. But Reagan embraced it and was far more successful. Reagan’s cultivation of Southern Republicans, in my view, is directly responsible for Republican success in the south starting in 1994.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:50 AM
Merle and Earl Black have a fantastic book on the rise of Republicanism in the South: http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Southern-Republicans-Earl-Black/dp/067400728X
The Blacks are twins. One is a political scientist at Emory and the other is at Rice. I forget which is where.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:53 AM
GOP obstructionism as outlined by the GOP.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:54 AM
Cool. Will have to check it out.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:55 AM
Just one example? Dems blocking Bush’s appointments of Federal judges comes immediately to mind. I’m sure someone will explain why that is different though.
September 21st, 2012 at 11:55 AM
I need a McRib.
/full circle’d
September 21st, 2012 at 12:00 PM
Merle and Earl? Their parents are assholes for doing that to them.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:00 PM
That compares to Republicans blocking a veterans jobs bill for no real reason? Any chance you’re going to respond to that part at all in this thread? You seem to avoid that topic because there is not a good answer to that.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:00 PM
Yes, The Obama Economy “added” 4m jobs … if you completely ignore his entire first year in office. The “private sector is doing fine”, if you conveniently forgot to account for population growth when discussion new jobs.
43 months of 8.0+ unemployment.
But the liberals will blindly vote him back in because he’s a nice guy, and, really, it’s not his fault that community organizing didn’t better prepare him to be POTUS.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:03 PM
How’s Mitt turning things around?
September 21st, 2012 at 12:03 PM
Ah, there it is. From Sean Hannity’s lips to Mike’s ears.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:04 PM
Didn’t he announce his candidacy in Columbus, Mississippi, home of Mississippi Burning fer christs sake?
That’s true, but leaves out a salient point (1) this started in the Clinton Adminstration (thanks Strom Thurmond) (2) that Bush got more judges appointed in his first term than Obama has.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:04 PM
I was directly asked to provide an example of Democratic obstructionism, so I did. Let’s not keep moving the bar, chief.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:06 PM
While realizing that liberals generally don’t grasp economics very well, let’s keep it simple: growth vs re-distribution.
Romney’s vision: you grow the entire pie, everyone benefits.
Obama’s vision: the pie stays the same size, you just make sure the slices are a little closer to being the same size.
How does raising taxes on businesses create new private sector jobs?
September 21st, 2012 at 12:07 PM
Still no response on the veterans jobs bill? I’m asking for a response to that one but it’s not an easy Fox News answer I guess.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:09 PM
Democrats blocked that bill due to ideological differences with the appointee judge, no mystery there that’s what both rival political parties do.
But why did the republicans block the veterans bill when:
1. Would not increase deficit
2. Was a bi=partisan bill
3. Adopted all GOP provisions
September 21st, 2012 at 12:10 PM
The Community Organizer spent the first half of his 4 years resuscitating the economic patient the MBA placed on life support. Now the patient is in rehab on its way to recovery. Its not hard to understand.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:10 PM
Didn’t he announce his candidacy in Columbus, Mississippi, home of Mississippi Burning fer christs sake?
Philadelphia, Mississippi. I don’t recall if that’s where he announced, but it was for a long time (and I think still is) traditional now for the Republican candidates to speak at the County Fair there in Neshoba County each election.
Mississippi Burning, by the by, is a horrible movie.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:11 PM
That’s not an answer, it’s a hollow talking point…just wanted to see if that’s what you’d serve up and you didn’t disappoint
September 21st, 2012 at 12:11 PM
In this spurt of new comments all I’ve gathered is that whether Romney wins or Obama wins, there will be pie at the inauguration.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:12 PM
It doesn’t and neither does lowering taxes, so let’s raise the taxes and tackle the deficit right? You seem to care about that deficit. Right?
September 21st, 2012 at 12:13 PM
so, no Judges were approved during this time?
September 21st, 2012 at 12:13 PM
I’m ignorant about the details of the veterans jobs bill, so I thought it’d be ok if I didn’t comment. I take it from your tone that Republicans everywhere should be ashamed of themselves though.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:13 PM
You want an answer, then read the deck (.pdf).
Or do I have to summarize it for you because you’re too dense to capture its meaning?
September 21st, 2012 at 12:14 PM
Which Romney will pay for out of pocket since it’s not the business of a responsible federal government to be spending tax dollars on pie
September 21st, 2012 at 12:15 PM
What is Romney’s plan in growing this “pie”?
September 21st, 2012 at 12:16 PM
What is Romney’s plan in growing this “pie”?
Yeast?
September 21st, 2012 at 12:17 PM
“No discussion of President Obama’s tax policies would be complete without a reference to Obamacare and its $500 billion in tax increases (pg39).”
Yeah I prefer more prose and characters in my fiction reading.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:18 PM
Sending the bakers’ jobs to China to make cheaper pie?
September 21st, 2012 at 12:18 PM
Of course, we know nothing – literally nothing – about what Romney intends to do to “grow the pie.” He won’t talk about it. As evidenced in his video, he thinks the markets are going to perk up merely at the idea that he’s going to win the election. After that, who the hell knows?
Oh yeah, except I’ll pay more in taxes so he can pay less. But at least it will trickle down, right?
September 21st, 2012 at 12:18 PM
From what I’ve gathered from the Day 1 page of the deck it involves reducing corporate income tax to 25%, undoing everything Obama did and putting China on a bad country list…there’s more to the document here so I can only present an overview currently
September 21st, 2012 at 12:19 PM
I’ll remind you that I wasn’t asked to provide an example of obstructionism by Democrats that was seen as indefensible by the left wing dogmatists who congregate here. I was only asked to provide an example, be it defensible or not.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:19 PM
And drilling, they’re gonna make with the drilling
September 21st, 2012 at 12:20 PM
he thinks the markets are going to perk up merely at the idea that he’s going to win the election
To be perfectly honest, you might see the markets gain for a week or two after election and/or inauguration. The markets like a quick buck just as much as anyone else. And Republicans, whether deserved or not, do have a reputation for being more friendly to businesses and corporations. I can see that being good for a short term pop on the market. But that’s all it would be.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:20 PM
Jesus Christ, move off it already. You provided your one example. Congratulations, now take your cookie and go home. You’re really out of your depth with this stuff.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:22 PM
The economy as a whole is healthier and has performed better with a Democrat in office. Truth.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:22 PM
I emailed myself the deck, can I get your email Mike if my stupidity raises questions during the reading?
September 21st, 2012 at 12:23 PM
Romney plane:
1. Obama’s bad
2. Rich people get waaay richer despite greatest income gap in USA History
3. ??????????????
4. Everybody gets a Ferrari
September 21st, 2012 at 12:23 PM
I was thinking that those who lack reading comprehension were out of their depth, but whatever.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:24 PM
The economy as a whole is healthier and has performed better with a Democrat in office. Truth.
That’s nice but I wasn’t arguing which party was better, only that perceptions are powerful in both markets and in politics.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:25 PM
4. Everybody gets a Ferrari
Black please.
/it doesn’t shirt dirt as easily
September 21st, 2012 at 12:25 PM
Show dirt. Not shirt dirt. Which sounds like it could be a type of shot.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:26 PM
The economy as a whole is healthier and has performed better with a Democrat in office. Truth.
that is until they pass laws on their way out of office that help start the economic shitstorm we are in now.
i know you did alot of good stuff clin-TON, but you fucked up at the end.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:26 PM
Are you referencing all of US history or what? Where are you getting this?
/I realize I’m out of my depth here, so I’m depending on you to clarify your broad statement so someone like me can understand
September 21st, 2012 at 12:27 PM
Majority of the gain back after elections is just people holding off before the election as there uncertain of who gets voted in. Shit it skittish as fuck.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:27 PM
i know you did alot of good stuff clin-TON, but you fucked up at the end.
I’m sure he was a little light headed by 2000, what with all the ball draining blowjobs he’d been getting everyday for 8 years from White House interns.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:27 PM
Majority of the gain back after elections is just people holding off before the election as there uncertain of who gets voted in. Shit it skittish as fuck.
Also true.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:30 PM
I’m sure he was a little light headed by 2000, what with all the ball draining blowjobs he’d been getting everyday for 8 years from White House interns.
him making mortgages available to everyone combined with the repeal of Glass-Steagal was no coincidence, and a big big mistake. he may have been to busy hosing down the loads to realize this.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:31 PM
So, a situation where more judges were confirmed than not is your one example of obstruction? Are you sure you want to use that as a comparison to recent Republican obstruction?
September 21st, 2012 at 12:33 PM
September 21st, 2012 at 12:34 PM
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Completely false. You are out of your element here.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:35 PM
…and your reading comprehension is lacking.
/or something
September 21st, 2012 at 12:37 PM
him making mortgages available to everyone combined with the repeal of Glass-Steagal was no coincidence, and a big big mistake. he may have been to busy hosing down the loads to realize this.
What are the changes, do you think, of Glass-Steagal being reintroduced in the next Congress? Seems like most people agree at this point that repeal was a poor idea.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:38 PM
Completely false. You are out of your element here.
My wife said the same thing about dark colored cars the other day. I just don’t see how a white car shows less dirt. Perhaps you could enlighten me as her explanation made little sense to me.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:40 PM
What are the changes, do you think, of Glass-Steagal being reintroduced in the next Congress? Seems like most people agree at this point that repeal was a poor idea.
i think they will simply seperate the two banks. that would have the biggest impact. the idea is gaining alot of traction with both parties, i really hope it happens.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:46 PM
I don’t know the science…but the contrast is greater.
I own white, black, and silver cars at the moment…black shows the most dirt by far.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:49 PM
Totally agree.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:50 PM
This is what Romney was talking about when he said if he mentions tax cuts, what’s the point — it doesn’t resonate with an uninformed electorate (see: the people posting in this thread).
That there are people accusing him of not having a “specific plan” speaks either to their willful ignorance of their plain stupidity, it has to be one.
And you prove his point. He has a plan, go read it. But why do that, when Obama can just cry about millionaires, billionaires, and paying fair shares — and boom, he has your vote.
The truth is that the liberals don’t really care that Obama is making the economy a million times worse. I mean, that’s their goal — shared misery for all. If no one can get ahead, we all win. Their idea of equality.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:50 PM
I don’t know the science…but the contrast is greater.
I own white, black, and silver cars at the moment…black shows the most dirt by far.
Wouldn’t it depend on what the ‘dirt’ is? Sure pollen will show up more than just average dust.
Three cars? Ooooooo.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:53 PM
The truth is that the liberals don’t really care that Obama is making the economy a million times worse. I mean, that’s their goal — shared misery for all. If no one can get ahead, we all win. Their idea of equality.
It absolutely shatters my mind that people think that elected officials of any stripe actually wish to do harm to the country, the people, or to the economy. Warped does not even begin to describe this thinking. Both parties want great things of this country, but the manner which each prescribes to reach those goals are simply different. Why is that so difficult to digest? Why must it be boiled down to a “good v. evil” argument? It’s reductionist and counterproductive.
September 21st, 2012 at 12:54 PM
You do seem pretty miserable, mission accomplished?
September 21st, 2012 at 12:58 PM
Again, I’d really like to see corporate income tax go away, would be curious if that would cause a massive change or if the fact that we can’t work for a dollar a day like the Chinese would mean deep pockets would get deeper
September 21st, 2012 at 12:58 PM
Well I am not going to commute in my truck. Come on.
I guess it would depend on the dust…but I haven’t found one yet that shows up on white more than black.
September 21st, 2012 at 1:01 PM
Did you miss McConnell stating that the goal of the Republicans was to make Obama a one term president? I’d say wanting the president to fail during a time when we have 2 wars and the worst economy since the Depression to be pretty harmful.
September 21st, 2012 at 1:02 PM
Well I am not going to commute in my truck. Come on.
I guess it would depend on the dust…but I haven’t found one yet that shows up on white more than black.
Needs more Gob Bluth on that “Come on”.
Well fine, how about I prefer darker colored cars to lighter colored cars. That work?
September 21st, 2012 at 1:03 PM
Well I’m sure Democrats wanted Bush to be a one-term president and that was a four-year goal…they were just nice enough not to say it in front of a camera
September 21st, 2012 at 1:04 PM
Did you miss McConnell stating that the goal of the Republicans was to make Obama a one term president? I’d say wanting the president to fail during a time when we have 2 wars and the worst economy since the Depression to be pretty harmful.
And why does he want to do that? Because he dislikes Obama’s policies and wanted to limit his time in office so that a Republican could be elected to enact their measures to make this country great.
Motives and means may be selfish or even misguided. But are you sitting there saying that you honestly think McConnell would love to see this country fall apart? I simply do not think that that is true.
September 21st, 2012 at 1:05 PM
The economy is worst now than where it was headed right about this time 4 years ago? Not worst, but a million times worst. Not 10 times worst, but a million.
September 21st, 2012 at 1:06 PM
I’ll not only allow it, I’ll agree with it.
September 21st, 2012 at 1:08 PM
September 21st, 2012 at 1:10 PM
There is a difference between wanting a president to be one term and actively obstructing him to make it happen while the country falls further down the tubes.
You’re right, there is. But I’m speaking to ultimate motives here. I doubt that McConnell, or any politician for that matter, sits at home at night and thinks “How can I fuck up this country for no apparent reason.”
September 21st, 2012 at 1:12 PM
as evidenced by the example of the debt ceiling fiasco, even if McConnell didn’t want to see it personally, which I still question, he has a faction in his party who don’t give a good god damn what happens along the way as long as it hurts Obama. The job of the Legislative Branch isn’t to limit the number of terms served by the President, it is to provide a legitimate check and balance. What ol Mitch conveyed in that message, there was no good in his intentions.
September 21st, 2012 at 1:14 PM
All of this. There are people on both sides that do what Mike has done in this thread: take a pretty good political discussion (at least for the internet) and turn it into personal insults, condescension and a mentality of “if you disagree with me you must be stupid or crazy”. Those attitudes are what ruins political debate.
I actually wrote about this topic previously (if anyone gives a shit).
September 21st, 2012 at 1:15 PM
as evidenced by the example of the debt ceiling fiasco, even if McConnell didn’t want to see it personally, which I still question, he has a faction in his party who don’t give a good god damn what happens along the way as long as it hurts Obama. The job of the Legislative Branch isn’t to limit the number of terms served by the President, it is to provide a legitimate check and balance. What ol Mitch conveyed in that message, there was no good in his intentions.
I don’t disagree with any of this.
September 21st, 2012 at 1:17 PM
Except for the part where you still wonder if McConnell willingly wanted to cause destruction to our fiscal system. Perhaps I’m naive, or perhaps other peoples’ views are benighted, I’m not sure which but I do think that the vast majority of elected officials of all affiliation share many goals. It’s the means to get there that we all seem to disagree upon.
September 21st, 2012 at 1:18 PM
He’s not thinking about fucking it up for no apparent reason. He specifically stated the reason, to defeat Obama in 2012.
This is the party that cost the US it’s AAA credit by not agreeing to the bipartisan Simpson-Bowles including Paul Ryan who was on the committee then voted against it while blaming Obama for its failure. A veterans jobs bill didn’t pass the Senate because 40 Republican (vote was 58-40) voted against it because it wasn’t funded yet had no problem with unfunded wars for a decade.
September 21st, 2012 at 1:24 PM
He’s not thinking about fucking it up for no apparent reason. He specifically stated the reason, to defeat Obama in 2012.
This is the party that cost the US it’s AAA credit by not agreeing to the bipartisan Simpson-Bowles including Paul Ryan who was on the committee then voted against it while blaming Obama for its failure. A veterans jobs bill didn’t pass the Senate because 40 Republican (vote was 58-40) voted against it because it wasn’t funded yet had no problem with unfunded wars for a decade.
Taking a middle ground ironically means that sometimes I have to stick up for people I disagree with. Nonetheless, why was a large portion of the Republican caucus willing to risk our credit rating? To them there is far more value in cutting the tax burden and pushing back government spending than in maintaining a credit rating. They didn’t clash with Obama because they had nothing better to do. They have a belief system about how to improve this country’s finances. You and I might find it horribly misguided but once again, it’s not as though they fought Obama tooth and nail just for the thrill of it.
September 21st, 2012 at 1:25 PM
Alright, it’s been real. I’m off to lunch.
September 21st, 2012 at 1:33 PM
I agree with this. The vast majority of people in the rank and file do share many goals and get along quite well across party lines. Buuuuuuut, their role is to have their arms twisted by the leadership of their parties in order to carry out the agenda of the party. And as McConnell stated, the goal of his people was to make Obama a 1 term President.
September 21st, 2012 at 2:09 PM
Great story in the Boston Herald a couple of days ago on the one-legged soccer player. story came out the same day he scored:
http://bostonherald.com/sports/high_school/general/view/20220919theres_no_stopping_nicolai_calabria_concord-carlisle_soccer_player_lets_nothing_get_in_his_way/
September 21st, 2012 at 3:15 PM
Why are Democrats so concerned with details of Romney’s plan, when they couldn’t have cared less what candidate Obama’s plans were? Don’t recall many specifics coming from him either….just “Hope and Change” and “I’m not Bush”.
September 21st, 2012 at 3:23 PM
For the zero of you still reading: Romney “released” his tax returns.
Some salient points:
- he claimed less of a deduction that he could have for charity so that he could say he never paid less than 13 percent taxes
- not a single dollar came from wages. It’s all investment returns
- his individual returns were not released
September 23rd, 2012 at 1:15 PM
That was enough to get my vote.