President Obama Allegedly Used a Fantastic Jeremy Lin/Miami Heat Analogy
The New York Times ran a lengthy story over the weekend about President Obama’s competitive zeal, and an unnamed aide told the paper the leader of the free world said this:
No matter what moves Mr. Romney made, the president said, he and his team were going to cut him off and block him at every turn. “We’re the Miami Heat, and he’s Jeremy Lin,” Mr. Obama said, according to the aide.
If you’re only a casual NBA fan and aren’t sure what this means, let’s take you back to late February. The Knicks were hot, thanks to Harvard sensation Jeremy Lin. After looking incredible beating the Lakers and Mavericks (in the Garden) in nationally-televised games, Lin’s trip to Miami was a rude awakening: 1-for-11 shooting, eight turnovers. Watch him look like an NBDL player against Mario Chalmers and Norris Cole:
If Romney is Jeremy Lin, does that make Paul Ryan … Steve Novak? [Times]
Previously: Jeremy Lin to Houston as Knicks Won’t Match
Previously: Jeremy Lin & the Houston Rockets Are Way Too Young For Anyone to Talk Playoffs

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September 4th, 2012 at 12:05 PM
Paul “Kip Litton” Ryan once scored 63 points in a high school game…………………………………………………………………….in the first half!!
September 4th, 2012 at 12:06 PM
Bat signal for MikeNYC – get ready for the pain
September 4th, 2012 at 12:07 PM
Paul “Great Leader” Ryan once shot a 32 on his local muni in Wisconsin, including 8 holes in one
September 4th, 2012 at 12:08 PM
Because people react favorably when you call yourself the Miami Heat…
September 4th, 2012 at 12:10 PM
Sources close to Paul Ryan (namely Paul Ryan) say he’s more Carmelo Anthony since he also led a team to a Final Four championship
He also claimed to be able to beat Obama bowling with his eyes shut but I’m going to believe him on that one
September 4th, 2012 at 12:12 PM
That LeBron dunk at 2:10 is just nasty, Chandler wanted no part of that freight train.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:12 PM
Jeremy Lin: check
NBA: check
Obama love: check
Miami Heat/LeBron video: check
#3 in pants: check
September 4th, 2012 at 12:13 PM
Paul Ryan attends happy hour with Patrick Bateman.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:13 PM
I keep getting the impression that TBL is voting for Mittens, am I wrong on this?
September 4th, 2012 at 12:15 PM
sweet, he makes basketball references.
/furious wanking motion
September 4th, 2012 at 12:16 PM
Off topic, saw Lawless this weekend. I am all-in on Tom Hardy. I wish I could by stock in his career. Can’t take my eyes off of him when he’s on the screen.
/no coop
//should have bought low after that Reese Witherspoon debacle of a movie
September 4th, 2012 at 12:16 PM
More impressive performance? Paul Ryan’s sub-three-hour marathon or Kim Jong Il’s 38 under par/11 holes-in-one performance?
September 4th, 2012 at 12:18 PM
Paul Ryan voted for Craig James nine times…from Wisconsin.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:18 PM
which is worse- to get lied to or to get promised things and it does not happen?
September 4th, 2012 at 12:18 PM
I’m going with Skip Bayless’ Jimmy Chitwood impression
September 4th, 2012 at 12:19 PM
Beliving that a presidential candidate has the power to get everything done that they promise…our system of government is set up so this can’t happen yet the electorate seems ignorant to this fact
September 4th, 2012 at 12:20 PM
I get the idea he’s one of those loud non-voters
September 4th, 2012 at 12:20 PM
Paul Ryan sent pants-less pics to Anthony Weiner.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:21 PM
The government operates in thirds, just like The Big Lead.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:21 PM
My candidate never lies and I guarantee will accomplish everything he says he wants to do.
Sincerely,
An Idiot
September 4th, 2012 at 12:21 PM
Beliving that a presidential candidate has the power to get everything done that they promise…our system of government is set up so this can’t happen yet the electorate seems ignorant to this fact
you are correct. and surely the pres candidates know this yet still make all the promises.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:23 PM
Paul Ryan is the only public figure who out snowballs Lebron.
/Hat tip to whoever linked that anonymous agent q&a
September 4th, 2012 at 12:24 PM
So every candidate makes promises they know they cannot completely keep because the governmental structure makes it functionally impossible. They do this because the voters are largely loudmouth morons who only speak in soundbites and want to be told it’s going to be okay. Each side does this, each side’s voters eat it up, it’s a wash.
So, lying is worse.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:25 PM
I have a feeling we’re only a few months away from John Edwards appearing Monday Night Raw.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:26 PM
This. Lying to dumb people is still worse.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:30 PM
Certain conservative commenters on this site have deluded themselves into thinking that J-Mac is a big Obama fan…I don’t get that impression even in the least…my guess is he’s voting for Mittens.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:31 PM
anyone remember where i dropped the survival league info? i forgot which post …
September 4th, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Paul Ryan is a son of a bitch
September 4th, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Rule #1 in politics: get elected
Rule #2 in politics: get re-elected
September 4th, 2012 at 12:33 PM
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/03/obama-compared-mitt-romney-to-jeremy-lin-i-dont-get-it/
September 4th, 2012 at 12:33 PM
My favorite line this week was President Obama never bragged about his marathon time because it would only prove he was Kenyan.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:34 PM
SURVIVAL LEAGUE INFO:
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/survival/20041
Yahoo Sports
id: 20041
pass: ateam
September 4th, 2012 at 12:35 PM
You make SMU look bad everytime you post.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:36 PM
Romney counters with this sports analogy:
“If Obama was a dressage horse his penciled score in the Piaffe, Passage
Extended gaits, Collected gaits (trot and canter) Flying changes in sequence would to so low as to ill befit the standard or Horse Ballet”
September 4th, 2012 at 12:37 PM
Thing is, Obama actually did a lot of the major shit he said he was going to do: HC reform, financial reform, stimulus, Iraq withdraw. He campagined on these promises, followed through on these promises after people elected him to do so, and now we’re pissed for some reason? Other than leaving Gitmo open, what major initiatives (that were within his control) did he fail to deliver on?
September 4th, 2012 at 12:39 PM
That’s incredible. Also, Soused, +1 antiquated sport
September 4th, 2012 at 12:40 PM
/opens TBL.com
//clicks sports link
///sees political drivel
////immdediately closes browser
September 4th, 2012 at 12:40 PM
I award soused one serf.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:41 PM
As a conservative myself, if I don’t know someone, I just assume that they’re voting for Obama if they’re under 40.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:42 PM
Besides, the appropriate comp is to Luke Walton. If it weren’t for their daddies, they’d both be selling insurance.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
Kind of like how I assume everyone else hates the Red Sox and Patriots.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:45 PM
You make SMU look bad everytime you post
wrong school, but piss off anyways.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:46 PM
/Immediately makes serf run dig routes in between brewing White House Beer
September 4th, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Saw a poll this morning than more Americans than not believe they’re worse off than they were in 2008. Now, we tend to have microscopically small memories but ave people really forgotten the clusterfuck that was 2008? Do they understand how close our way of life was to being eradicated?
Speaking anecdotally, I don’t have any family or close friends who are worse off now then they were four years ago. Some drunk idiot at my FF draft last week decided to scream political talk points during a football event, leading to classic Central PA “Take our country back from President N-bomb” lines. The three guys leading the bashing had opened their own business in the last year and were doing great. The home where the draft took place was new construction, 4000 square feet. Owner is 29. Everyone in the room — including myself — are making career-best money. I was the only one who will be voting for Obama. Not sure what all that means, but it fascinates me.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
He campagined on these promises, followed through on these promises after people elected him to do so, and now we’re pissed for some reason?
i am not pissed at all, he has done some good things. my question was not aimed at any one party, i just think it sucks they largely run on things that they will not be able to back up.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:49 PM
Off topic, saw Lawless this weekend
I thought it was ok. It was kind of just meh for me. Hardy of course was incredible. Going to devote this month to talking like him
September 4th, 2012 at 12:52 PM
huh? I’m as middle of the road as anyone, i just don’t see how people think he has done a good job. I think it’s fairly obvious he’s not a hard worker. What has imporved??? What one thing has improved?
Afghanistan: Complete mess
Debt: all time highs
Food Stamps: All time highs
Rich getting richer: Stock market very close to all time highs
Has he made one difficult choice on anything?
Pres. Obama is in the same position as Pres Bush was, but the country was in a stronger financial position in 2004 than it is now.
Open for RATIONAL discussion.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:52 PM
Usually I’d jump in head-first to a political discussion but I’ve had the life sucked out of me already this week. Jackass and the rest of the party are in Charlotte and stupid me scheduled to be in the North Carolina office this week….
/hating life
September 4th, 2012 at 12:53 PM
I’m sure he and Andy Katz spent good time deliberating before penciling in North Carolina as his national title winner every year.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:53 PM
As do I, and I go back and forth on the idea that a completely honest presidential candidate would win in a landslide.
“No, I can’t bring manufacturing jobs back for $100/hr plus pensions, but I can fight for education subsidies and retraining so you guys can make great money in a few years on the backs of a green tech revolution. No, I can’t control gas prices, but I can ensure that we lead the way in sustainable energy. Yes, we do spend to much on dumb things, but our tax rates are also far too low across the board and need to rise or our children are screwed.”
Americans gravitate to authenticity (which is one reason Romney is so unlikeable). We’ll even take our medicine if there’s a shared sacrifice involved. But so far, no one has really been able to find that political sweet spot where honesty and goals converge.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:54 PM
This is awesome.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:54 PM
I thought it was ok. It was kind of just meh for me. Hardy of course was incredible. Going to devote this month to talking like him
Same here, it was meh. How long before wanna be tough guy bros come up with a neck ornament that looks like Hardy’s badass scar?
September 4th, 2012 at 12:56 PM
Nothing changes until system does amirite?
September 4th, 2012 at 12:57 PM
As do I, and I go back and forth on the idea that a completely honest presidential candidate would win in a landslide.
that would be incredibly refreshing and awesome.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
Yeah, every time I see him he’s tipping back a Bud in the Barcalounger, screaming for Michelle to grab him another wife beater because he got stromboli sauce on this one.
Afghanistan isn’t near the mess it was, debt is at all-time highs no matter who is in office (plus there was a need for spending), LOL food stamps, and as for the difficult decisions, you should educate yourself on the Bin laden raid. And passing healthcare.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
First time I’ve seen a high stock market used as a negative.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:59 PM
Saw a poll this morning than more Americans than not believe they’re worse off than they were in 2008
Progress Paradox was a good book I thought. My favorite item in there was the TV station that spent a lot of money adding better radar and graphics to their weather reporting. No ratings increase. New mgmt came in and renamed their “Weather Station Coverage” to “Storm Center” and ratings spiked.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:59 PM
The government operates in thirds, just like The Big Lead.
COTD. +1.
September 4th, 2012 at 12:59 PM
LOL. That guy’s totally middle of the road.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:00 PM
The system doesn’t need to change. Better education of said system is what need to happen.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:00 PM
They did this down in North Carolina to help replace the furniture industry…As we found out- you can lead the horses to water but they won’t drink. Reason being they’re already being paid to essentially not work. They get comfortable and as long as there is a roof over the head and a couple spare bucks to buy a pack of butts life is pretty good…Returning to work or bettering themselves isn’t a thought and if anything they get defensive with the “I didn’t need no diploma at my last job” line. I work with individuals like this quite a bit and I’ve just resigned myself to the fact that you cannot fix stupid. It is what it is.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:00 PM
Hey, Guy With Funny Name: do you have investments, a pension, or a 401k? Then a rising stock market benefits you.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:03 PM
Americans gravitate to authenticity (which is one reason Romney is so unlikeable). We’ll even take our medicine if there’s a shared sacrifice involved. But so far, no one has really been able to find that political sweet spot where honesty and goals converge.
I believe I gave the GOP a sustainable roadmap in a post last week, something like 14 or 15 points to address.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:03 PM
I’m going to have to check this out ASAP. These types of discussions fascinate me. What’s the Matter With Kansas is another good one.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:03 PM
Everybody’s retirement funds are doing so well all the old people have no fears of retiring. This has been awesome b/c it’s let these old people free up jobs for our recent college graduates.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:04 PM
I thought that the Dems were supposed to be the party of the people. the working class party…
September 4th, 2012 at 1:05 PM
1. Expel 95 percent of the party (the kooks, liars, charlatans, and frauds)
2. ????
3. Win elections
September 4th, 2012 at 1:05 PM
Is this the same line of thinking that the economy needs consumers to spend more to be strong, but consumers also need to be saving more at the same time?
September 4th, 2012 at 1:06 PM
Uh. The working class have 401k’s.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
Setting aside the mild communist undertones of your Democratic Party description, a rising stock market benefits the working class in innumerable ways.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:07 PM
My fellow Americans,
As consumers you are failing this country and you are all too fat to medically cover, our youth has been harangued into taking on record setting debt while being beleaguered with the bills of the worst generation of all and everything is going to be fucked for a long, long time.
You dumb fucks need to stop worrying about gay sex, uteruses and guns and start:
driving less
buying local
paying your workers more
eating healthier
stop binging on prescription drugs
buying homes you can ill afford just start renting you poor jackasses
And we will stop:
Blowing money on defense
War on drugs
Oil subsidies
Corn subsidies
bush tax cuts
ruining the internet
ruining other countries
being a plutocracy
And maybe if we can all pull our heads out of our fat asses we can see the light at the end of this sewage tunnel we’ve created.
Sincerely,
Honest candidate who will never, ever make it out of a primary
September 4th, 2012 at 1:08 PM
For me, it’s been fine, but it’s not sustainable. you cannot continue to rack up debt. there is no plan to get the debt down.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:08 PM
Yall are leaving out the fact that The Progress Paradox was written by that Jew-hating cheerleader-ogling fucktard Gregggggg Easterbrook. Invalid!
September 4th, 2012 at 1:09 PM
Food Stamps: All time highs
Can you elaborate your position why this is an indictment on President Obama? Should people starve? If you’ve ever worked at a hunger center, food pantry or a kitchen that provides to the needy, you’d realize that assisting people get food is a moral imperative and that children should at least get some food on their plates. I’d like to hear more.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:10 PM
Oh, Easterbrook wrote Progress Paradox? I tend to agree with his general thesis that people feel worse as life gets better, but the utter nonsense he tends to spew at TMQ makes Gladwell’s conclusions seem airtight.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:11 PM
January 2009 vs today:
Unemployment: 7.8% then, 8.3% now
Median income: $54,983 then, $50,964 now
Gas prices: $1.85 per gallon then, $3.78 now
National debt: $10.6 trillion then, $15.9 trillion now
But he jammed down our throats a highly partisan/unpopular health care “reform” government takeover bill that nobody in Congress read and which was at best borderline Constitutional, so it’s all good.
The best part is that when asked how he would grade his performance thus far, he would give himself an “incomplete.” I love how he pretends he hasn’t been POTUS the past four years.
RIP Hopenchange.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:15 PM
LOL good MikeGOP to copy/paste a chain email. He even included the always relevant “gas prices.”
Mike, I’ll throw you a softball: why were gas prices $1.85 in January 2009?
September 4th, 2012 at 1:16 PM
If feasible, I would like a three month subscription to all of your e-newsletters.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:18 PM
Gas prices idiotic metric for a president.
Debt dumb too as Obama lowest spender since Eisenhower
The rest, well what do you expect from austerity measures, they have always failed. Disingenuous to bemoan spending and unemployment, which one would you like to decrease?
September 4th, 2012 at 1:18 PM
The American economy is doing so poory that 46.7m people are relying on food stamps — a record high — and food stamp spending has doubled over the past four years, and you’re asking how this is an indictment on the economic policies of the POTUS? Really?
September 4th, 2012 at 1:19 PM
I wonder why he didnt use the time period of July 2008 – July this year.. Hmmm
September 4th, 2012 at 1:19 PM
I guess I was 9 or 10 and I stood in line with my parents at the store while a woman took forever to get rung up. They explained to me she was paying with food stamps and it took awhile. I then heard the clerk tell her that her ribeye steaks wouldn’t be covered. She said that was fine and pulled out a fistful of hundred dollar bills from her purse to pay cash for those…..Food stamps, EBT, etc., died for me on that day.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:19 PM
Queefer you’ll like the book. It’s in small antecdotes and not too long. I don’t feel he’s right on every topic but it inspires some critical thinking.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:19 PM
/sees ‘MikeNYC’ batsignal
//gets popcorn
///sees ‘MikeNYC’ post
////eats popcorn
September 4th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
Queefer – here are two links that I want you to read and tell me how we are going to solve the debt and deficit problem.
http://www.redstate.com/standardcandle/2011/07/14/understanding-how-class-warfare-fails-to-solve-our-u-s-debt-problems/
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/18/wsj-shows-taxing-the-rich-wont-cover-the-bill/
My problem with the Dem platform is they think the best way to lower the debt and to not run a deficit is to increase federal spending and then somehow tax their way out of it. That will never, ever, ever, ever, ever work. Period. Never.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:22 PM
LOLing at “redstate.com”
September 4th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
Cut spending (a lot of defense), eliminate the Bush tax cuts, close loopholes.
That’s common sense and something both major parties should embrace.
ohheelyeah – please don’t link to partisan Web sites to support your argument
September 4th, 2012 at 1:23 PM
President Obama has done a pretty shitty job, and the absolute worst thing that could happen to the country is to vote in some austerity promoting asshole like Romney.
So, pinch your nose and vote to reelect. You could be in much worse shape. Ask fucking Europe.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:24 PM
I am on food stamps at the moment (out of a real, desperate need) and i do totally agree with MikeNYC and dikembe on their separate opinions. I see many people who shouldnt be on them scamming the system. I know a couple of guys who are fully capable of getting a job (no record, restrictions, etc) yet they are so lazy and refuse to actively search for a job. Its pathetic. That is just as bad as the scenario dikembe laid out from his youth.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:25 PM
I assume he used Jan 2009 due to Inauguration Day.
Rightly or wrongly, I judge a sitting president, at least in part, on numbers like these. Frankly, I’m surprised Obama is ahead in the polls just given the unemployment figure.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:27 PM
Why do people defend him so much. If he were the CEO of a private company, he would’ve been fired… I don’t believe anyway can debate that. I just don’t understand why people get maniacal about defending him?? Romney isn’t some great leader, but why do people defend OBAMA so much?
September 4th, 2012 at 1:27 PM
Right, but that leaves out the bit of context of what happened to prices in the year of 2008, and why.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:28 PM
Htown, the problem is many people dont focus on the issues. They just want whoever their party nominee is to win. Thats what politics has become in modern society
September 4th, 2012 at 1:28 PM
Because it is like this every election. The glass is half full for some folks, half empty for others.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:29 PM
My recurring newsflash: we’ll keep having problems regardless who is in the White House due to the petty bickering douchebags that keep getting re-elected into Congress
September 4th, 2012 at 1:30 PM
Brah, the deficit is a trojan horse used to enact anti-government policies, no one actually gives a shit (see Paul Ryan budget which would raise deficit 4.3 trillion over 10 years). No one gave a shit about gov’t spending which Bush was running his America PTSD middle east tour. No one honestly cares.
Obama spending as lowest since Eisenhower, a contracted economy does not recover, never has through austerity (see Mexico, European Union, GBK, always).
To answer the asinine question, with a lack of stimulus the economy will be in the black and the deficit will stay where it is (not that presently it matters). Obama is proposing stimulus packages that consistently do not pass congress.
Unemployment is a huge cost, austerity increases unemployment and decreases wages protracting the economy, Republican plan exacerbates the current economic problems of America.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:30 PM
CJ and NDub – the website they came from is irrelevant. Numbers are numbers. But thanks for playing, with the “ZOMG you linked to a partisan website so it MUST be lies!?!??!” arguments.
NDub – the article states that even if you tax people making over 500K 100% of their income, you still come nowhere NEAR addressing the deficit and the national debt. So, I ask again, how do we get it done?
September 4th, 2012 at 1:32 PM
They explained to me she was paying with food stamps and it took awhile. I then heard the clerk tell her that her ribeye steaks wouldn’t be covered.
Perfectly reasonable item to base your opinion of feeding the hungry. Sorry kid, somebody abused the system elsewhere. You’ll have to go hungry.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:34 PM
Again:
2 pro choice women supreme court
Pulled out of Iraq
Ended DOMA
U.S. Auto Industry Bailed out
Passed Health Care Reform (already ended pre-existing conditions bullshit)
Stimulus Bill prevented depression
Removed Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program
Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards (this is huge)
Credit Card Reforms (can’t raise rates without notice)
Stronger Pay Equality Laws
On pace to reduce defense spending $450 billion
Regulated shitty for-profit colleges
Increase funding for Broadband Coverage
Eliminated restrictions on Stem Cell Research
September 4th, 2012 at 1:35 PM
The system doesn’t need to change. Better education of said system is what need to happen.
i don’t understand and i don’t mind admitting that.
if people understood the broken system better–the one that allows a party to block legislation that may help solve problems just because it might make the other party look good–that would mean they would fight to
change the system
what am i missing?
September 4th, 2012 at 1:36 PM
LOL. Well, if that isn’t straight denial…
RedState.com has two advertisements next to the story you linked to regarding Obama’s economic polices – one says “The Great Destroyer” with a photo of Obama “angrily” pointing. The other is the 2016 documentary, which has been thoroughly debunked about it’s crazed narrative. And you expect me to believe that same Web site is going to not pick and choose numbers and statistics to make an anti-Obama argument?
And to answer your question – Comment 87.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:37 PM
Yep. Only thing I hope is people grow the fuck up. I really soured on politics with the bitterness of the 2004/2008 elections, and to an extent that’s a scary thought ‘souring’ on the political process at 20 years old. But at the time it felt like a lot of sour grapes democrats lining up to take shots at anyone they could – or trying to fear monger their way in to power – and that irked me. Feels that way with conservatives in this election and, yes, even as a conservative that irks me.
Fight for you man but leave the shitty bumper stickers, etc., in the desk drawer. Leave the conspiracy theories (my recent favorite: he’s going to stage an attempt on his own life in an attempt to bring martial law – hence why the gov’t has had a huge uptick in hollow point bullet sales recently) in your own mind….’Divisive’ politics only seem to make people focus on ‘how soon can we get rid of this guy’ rather than ‘well, the bed is made, let’s try to do what we can to help.’
September 4th, 2012 at 1:37 PM
What if she was like most impoverished people and didn’t have a bank account and that fistfull of hundreds was her entire lifesavings and all that she had to get by on (rent, food, electricity, heat, etc)?
September 4th, 2012 at 1:40 PM
Soused, if no one cares about debt, why can’t we just try this solution.
47 million on food stamps. Cut government checks of $100,000 to each of them.
There are a lot of zeroes here, but I think that would add only $4.7 trillion to the deficit.
But each of those families would be $100k richer. So why not do it?
September 4th, 2012 at 1:41 PM
What if she was like most impoverished people and didn’t have a bank account and that fistfull of hundreds was her entire lifesavings and all that she had to get by on (rent, food, electricity, heat, etc)?
then it would be pretty silly to spend it on ribeyes. go filets at that point
/anyway, it just proves scripty’s point that you can;t judge food stamp use on one user
September 4th, 2012 at 1:43 PM
/judges journalism solely on vez’s career
September 4th, 2012 at 1:44 PM
I’d like to think she’d be smart enough to shove it in the mattress rather running the risk of losing literally everything in a purse-snatching or mugging while shopping for groceries.
Regardless, the point is if you’re on food stamps and buying ribeye steaks you’ve lost all touch with the system that is supporting you. Buy a hamburger steak? Sure. Responsibly make your money go as far as you can while feeding your family. Buying a 10 dollar a pound ribeye? Not so much….
September 4th, 2012 at 1:46 PM
comment 87 is already 2/3 included in the stats I gave you. So cutting defense spending will eliminate trillions of dollars in debt and allow the federal government to run a surplus every year? LOL.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:46 PM
I said consumers are at fault as well, majority of that $100,000 would just used to pay down debt, that’s it. Wages are so low and people (through being morons, unemployed, underpaid) cannot afford their lives, $100,000 would go to debt and the relative uptick in consumer spending would be nil.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:47 PM
He graded his performance incomplete because he didn’t want to perform rating equivalent of landing on an air craft carrier and declaring mission accomplished, good for him. The question isn’t are you better off now than 4 years ago, it should be are you better off now with the economic actions Obama took (stimulus, auto bailout, etc.) than you would be if he followed the Republican plan and done nothing at all. Any logical response would include the word yes. As I saw it aptly described on tv this morning, the economy is like a heart patient. In 08, it suffered a massive heart attack. In 12 because of the actions taken in 08 it is a recovering patient. Anyone making the argument that the heart patient should be running sub 3 hour marathons in that relative short period of time is crazy.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:47 PM
Heel, the “Buffet rule” is all you need to know how serious they are about fighting the debt. Zero actual impact with a big political boost, demonizing the people who actually hire people, earn money, and pay taxes.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:49 PM
Because most would irresponsibly fritter it away and then get pissed off when they found out the food stamp system or another payment were no longer options on the table. The go-getters would take that initial investment and make a return on it; however, my life experience tells me far more would fritter than profit.
I think it all goes back to the whole ‘give a man to fish/teach him to fish’ analogy but I’m not sure how to ‘teach a man to fish’ in today’s world.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:50 PM
/judges journalism solely on vez’s career
would be an accurate judgment
September 4th, 2012 at 1:51 PM
comment 87 is already 2/3 included in the stats I gave you. So cutting defense spending will eliminate trillions of dollars in debt and allow the federal government to run a surplus every year? LOL.
how did we run a surplus in the clinton years? we did, right?
September 4th, 2012 at 1:51 PM
Link?
September 4th, 2012 at 1:52 PM
Benny the Jet gets it.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:54 PM
Load them up with $50,000 debt and try to decrease wages and employment.
/true story
September 4th, 2012 at 1:56 PM
I’m not sure I understand your outlook on consumer debt.
If I owe American Express $30k, what — it’s not my obligation to pay them back?
September 4th, 2012 at 1:57 PM
If both parties came together and said, “here’s a budget that raises some taxes and reduces spending, addresses the legacy programs like Medicare, Medicaid and Socail Security, examines defense spending and will have the budget balanced and deficit erradicated in 12 years”, would people find that acceptable or unacceptable?
September 4th, 2012 at 1:58 PM
link?
September 4th, 2012 at 1:59 PM
If you could get all 1/3′s of the federal govt to get behind it, i highly doubt it would be anything other than VERY popular. Here’s the problem though: some on the right want to go too far too quick, and some on the left want to perpetuate the need-based voter block. The American public, however, would probably get behind this with a strong majority.
September 4th, 2012 at 1:59 PM
If i was given $100,000, i would be completely out of debt
September 4th, 2012 at 2:01 PM
I find his disconnect with how “debt” actually works to be troubling. When the debt is asked to be repaid and we cant do it, then our credit rating suffers. When that happens, fewer people will lend us money, and the ones that do lend us money will ask for a higher percentage rate on said money. This isn’t a hard concept to understand, and so my only logical assumption is soused is indeed soused and is trolling us
September 4th, 2012 at 2:03 PM
Not sure where this Straw-man is coming from.
On its face the $100,000 would go to student loans, mortgage, credit card debt, medical bills maybe the kids first trip to the dentist. Average American household debt is $75,600. Would not reduce poverty would not stimulate the economy in any meaningful way.
September 4th, 2012 at 2:07 PM
If both parties came together and said, “here’s a budget that raises some taxes and reduces spending, addresses the legacy programs like Medicare, Medicaid and Socail Security, examines defense spending and will have the budget balanced and deficit erradicated in 12 years”, would people find that acceptable or unacceptable?
LOL (and i don;t use that much)
it’s why i say nothing changes until the system does. sometimes a dictatorship looks good, but then again, dictators don’t usually have the people’s best interest in mind
again, did we deliver a budget surplus to bush2, and if so, how was it accomplished?
September 4th, 2012 at 2:08 PM
@ MikeNYC
When you aren’t out voting for candidates like Sarah Palin every four years do you like any sports teams? Don’t think I’ve ever seen you author a post about sports, just wondering….
September 4th, 2012 at 2:09 PM
Would not reduce poverty would not stimulate the economy in any meaningful way.
more spending without a attempt to reduce debt is not meaningful. its fun for about 10 minutes, then you realize you still owe a ton.
September 4th, 2012 at 2:10 PM
Here was that ‘GOP blueprint’ comment I did on here in the “Paul Ryan named his dogs ‘Boomer’ and ‘Sooner’ post…
1. If you’re going to remain “pro-life” then you’ve got to open up to the “except in cases of rape, incest or to protect the life of the mother.”
2. Lay off the cheap pops. Quit with the “official language” and “flag burning” amendment crap. It’s never going to pass and just proves to be a distraction ultimately. Let the Democrats do that kinda shit and call them out on it. You need to start painting (and acting) like the Republican Party is the party of grown-ups.
3. Paint the Democrats (modern Democrats) as talking big but failing to follow through with their promises or doing anything about the things they complain about.
4. Go to the oil companies and say, “We’re going to make available some areas for you to drill. HOWEVAH, if something goes wrong, it’s YOUR ASS that’s getting buried.”
5. Raise the federal minimum wage and make it so it adjusts for inflation every four years.
6. Be pro business by selling businesses on the idea of helping their own employees be better consumers. There, I just dressed up the “pay your workers” debate.
7. If you wanna be anti-gay or whatever because it goes against your values or whatever, fine. But then you’ve got to figure a way so that the gays can visit each other in the hospital and get benefits without having to jump through hoops.
8. Since you’re the party for adults, tell the public now is the time for having frank discussions on what needs to be cut and by how much. Personally I’d angle for more military cuts, but whatever. And cutting back on military spending MUST be in the cards. Everybody has to take a cut, particularly the groups that are spending the most money.
9. Go to American companies and offer exclusive government contracts. Tell the Big 3 car companies that the first company to develop a mail truck that gets 35 mpg or runs on something other than gas gets a long-term deal to produce the new fleet of mail trucks. Whoever creates the first 60 mpg sedan first gets a deal to produce that fleet for govt workers, etc.
10. Tell everybody–EVERYBODY–that we’re cutting back on the deductions everybody gets during income tax season. If you’re serious about reducing the debt, then everybody is going to have make sacrifices come tax time. And this doesn’t have to be a permanent thing: say that four the next four to six years or something.
11. Abandon the notion of a flat tax.
12. Make “establishing term limits” part of your party platform.
13. Stand behind this one sentence phrase: An equal day’s pay for an equal day’s work. Boom.
14. Abolish the death penalty. Convince the American people that the incessant appeals process and having to keep these assholes confined away from the rest of the population is costing too much money.
15. Find a way to blend science and faith. “We believe God created the Earth and Universe, and science is our way of understanding God’s majesty” and shit. Something like that.
September 4th, 2012 at 2:10 PM
If i was given $100,000, i would be completely out of debt
i’d spend half on bourbon, vacations and very discreet hookers
the other half i’d waste
/unoriginal
September 4th, 2012 at 2:10 PM
I think I’ve seen him root for sports ownership before, at least when the topic of lockouts/strikes/player holdouts come up. It’s really fun to root for the rich guy, you see. He’s probably a Tiger Woods fan too.
September 4th, 2012 at 2:13 PM
If it’s a stimulus you’re talking about isn’t the idea that when an economy turns around tax revenue will increase thus reducing the debt?
September 4th, 2012 at 2:14 PM
If you’re the government, you don’t improve a long-term or short-term debt situation by making your people poorer.
People need jobs. They need money to spend. Cutting spending so people have less of those is counterproductive, stupid, and probably worse.
September 4th, 2012 at 2:16 PM
i can only assume that my thoughts are so wacky as to be ignored. yes, i could look up budget surplus/clinton years, but i’m working
working and commenting….no time for researching
September 4th, 2012 at 2:17 PM
If i was given $100,000, i would be completely out of debt
The wife and I have about $15k in credit card debt, so that’d be the first thing to go. She’s got $10k+ in student loan debt, so that’d be second. We’d prolly use most of the rest to pay down most of the $100k house we bought a few years back.
And then maybe we’d put $5k or so in the bank for the future and use the rest on a trip since we never took a honeymoon.
September 4th, 2012 at 2:20 PM
If you’re the government, you don’t improve a long-term or short-term debt situation by making your people poorer.
People need jobs. They need money to spend. Cutting spending so people have less of those is counterproductive, stupid, and probably worse.
Here’s the thing: you give people enough money that they’ll spend it and some of their own as well.
September 4th, 2012 at 2:28 PM
Sorry, this isn’t good enough, and certainly not what was promised in 2008. When someone isn’t getting the job done, it’s time for someone else to takeover. And I felt the same in 2008 in regards to what Bush had done. Quite frankly, I think we’ve lived through the 12 worst years of Presidential performance in American history.
And let’s not forget that the crash of 2008 was started with Clinton passing a law that allowed virtually everyone with a pulse to get a mortgage. He’s also got blood on his hands…among other fluids.
September 4th, 2012 at 2:31 PM
lump (or slump)….what do you expect any prez to do, given the system?
September 4th, 2012 at 2:41 PM
I’m on board minus the raising taxes. It wouldn’t affect me now but here’s to hoping it would in the future.
I think the easy solution to increasing tax revenue is just getting everyone to pay. If I ran the IRS I’d audit every waiter/waitress/bartender from Newport, Rhode Island to Newport Beach, California. We may not pay off the debt with it but I’d be willing to wager the monies turned up would make a hell of a dent.
September 4th, 2012 at 2:42 PM
I have yet to even hear someone adequately explain the debt and it’s effect especially since we’ve operated at one for the majority of the history of this country. I know the same people who, at their convenience, argue to eradicate the debt are the ones who a few years ago said the U.S. losing it’s credit rating was no big deal.
September 4th, 2012 at 2:44 PM
Fuck you and your Horatio Alger fantasies your lottery ticket buying cunt. Bar-tenders to pay share for mega rich, this and more in Cuntbag Delusions.
September 4th, 2012 at 2:48 PM
Just like with administering drug tests to everyone on welfare I’m betting you’d end up spending more than you recoup unless you’re having accountants just volunteer to perform the work
September 4th, 2012 at 2:52 PM
Lol.
47% of Americans pay no federal income taxes.
10% of Americans pay 71% of the federal income tax burden.
How does the looting class square it’s “fair share” progaganda with the actual facts?
September 4th, 2012 at 2:57 PM
If you’re the government, you don’t improve a long-term or short-term debt situation by making your people poorer.
People need jobs. They need money to spend. Cutting spending so people have less of those is counterproductive, stupid, and probably worse.
people also need to reduce their debt, and they will be able to more freely spend in the future. ignoring personal debt is stupid, and mostly, unstainable.
September 4th, 2012 at 3:12 PM
does this mean no stain? What is stupid is decrying debt without determining the cause of that debt. Most debt
September 4th, 2012 at 3:36 PM
47% of Americans pay no federal income taxes.
I’m still waiting for somebody to tell me if that means because my wife and I got a refund that we didn’t pay taxes.
September 4th, 2012 at 3:41 PM
No, it means you paid too much throughout the year. You paid federal taxes.
Also, what percentage of income do those 10% who pay 71% make?
September 4th, 2012 at 3:43 PM
I’m not a liberal. Working hard and earning it doesn’t scare me.
September 4th, 2012 at 3:46 PM
Essentially is a breakdown of the equality.
September 4th, 2012 at 3:47 PM
It was joking proposal more calling attention to the percentage of people that don’t pay.
To be honest, if the government started meddling with waitress/waiter/bartenders and their taxes it’d probably lead to the industry staff championing internal reform, such as fair and competitive hourly wages….and at the end of the day my burger and fries will run me three to four times what it does now.
September 4th, 2012 at 3:47 PM
Inequality.
September 4th, 2012 at 3:48 PM
Material even Clint Eastwood didn’t use
I think we’re supposed to envy people too poor to make enough income and thus don’t pay in, or something
September 4th, 2012 at 3:51 PM
The X% of people don’t pay any federal taxes is used a lot but the reasons they don’t (and the acknowledgement that they do pay other types of taxes) is never mentioned. Do you wonder why that is?
September 4th, 2012 at 3:52 PM
Bunch of asinine cuntery on display. See here and here.
September 4th, 2012 at 3:55 PM
Hold on a second. Your claim is that 47% — nearly half the country — is “too poor” to even pay a sliver of income tax? 47% of the country is living in poverty? And that helps your support for a Obama re-election how?
Actually, all I was asking was for someone to square this rhetoric. Though possibly a slight exaggeration — “Bar-tenders to pay share for mega rich” — this refrain is quite common among the economic illiterate. Half the people who pay zero fedral income taxes are “paying the share” of the 10% of the people who pay 70%.
I mean, do you know how retarded that makes you sound?
September 4th, 2012 at 3:58 PM
I didn’t research the number or where it came from, you threw it out…suppose we can assume the Mitt Romneys of the world are also finding ways to escape it too, wonder if they’re considering the mooching class as well
September 4th, 2012 at 4:03 PM
Can you honestly tell me that someone making $36,500 and paying 15% income tax is equal to Romney paying 13% income tax?
September 4th, 2012 at 4:04 PM
What percent of this is retirees on a fixed income? This sounds like a bullshit stat that assholes make up to prove a point that doesn’t exist.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:06 PM
And since Mittens has pointed out that corporations are people too, this would place GE in the same mooching class as the other 47%, right?
September 4th, 2012 at 4:07 PM
Rich people should pay most of the fucking taxes. They were made rich by all the fucking poor people that worked for them, bought their good, etc. Stop whining and shut the fuck up.
/proposes 20% tax on all luxury cars, boats, and excess energy consumption
September 4th, 2012 at 4:09 PM
Mittens
Is this a a thing for Romney? If so I love it.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:09 PM
Don’t understand this at all, are you saying that poor people should pay more or like us are you saying there should be less poor people?
September 4th, 2012 at 4:09 PM
does this mean no stain? What is stupid is decrying debt without determining the cause of that debt. Most debt
the cause of someone’s personal debt is irrelevant. you still need to pay it back, or you will never have any excess cash flow to spend.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:11 PM
I keep hearing the 47% pay no taxes thing (which equates to more than half according to some people I have been stuck listening to) and I wonder if this includes the entire population of the country. So unemployed people, retirees, and children are being included.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Cunts seem to cry class warfare or that we begrudge success or hard work. For clarity this is what class warfare looks like.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:14 PM
Rich people should pay most of the fucking taxes.
yes, their share should equate to most of the taxes paid. its math, and its fair.
They were made rich by all the fucking poor people that worked for them, bought their good, etc. Stop whining and shut the fuck up.
for the love of shit, WRONG!
September 4th, 2012 at 4:25 PM
Yeah no poor people worked for Romney or bought his product on mass, he merely took investors money to buy companies, increase company profitability by reducing wages/benefits/outsourcing, borrow against the profitability, issue dividend to original investors, sell the company pocketing 20% while paying Capital gains tax of 15%.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:26 PM
The same people who believe GE paid no taxes are the same people who can’t differenciate between income tax and capital gains tax (taxes on gains that have already been taxed) when it comes to Romney and other investors.
I’m not sure if it’s blind stupidity or willful ignorance, but I’m sure the Democratic Party is smiling from ear-to-ear.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:27 PM
it most certainly is relevant. It potentially unearths a larger issue. If someone has built up credit card debt based on medical bills or pharmaceuticals, it speaks on the health insurance issues in this country. If someone has card debt built up based on gasoline, it speaks on the issue of exhoribitant gas prices. Food, mortgage/rent the same thing. It’s easier to throw out the red herring of a few people with bad spending habits than face the reality that many people in this economy are in survival mode and the card is a tool towards that mode and not being used as a luxury.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:29 PM
Funny thing is, I’m a Republican… or at least used to be until the Republican Party lost its fucking mind. I guess now I’m just a reformist. I’m all for providing reasonable help and support for all our citizens, I just wish we could do it in a logical way.
Prohibiting NPs from providing primary health care in a cost-effective situation, while basically forcing any uninsured or medicaid recipients to go to the Emergency Room for every little case of the sniffles is an abomination, and one of the reasons I can’t stand Obama. If you want to revamp healthcare, do it in a manner that makes sense, and not in a way that forces healthcare recipients AND providers to get screwed over.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:32 PM
Yeah, I don’t think this is true.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:32 PM
How much did GE pay in Federal income tax?
September 4th, 2012 at 4:32 PM
so, on the other side of the coin, can you please tell me how it made any sense whatsoever to get involved in two wars while cutting taxes at the same time? lets not pretend like all this economic shit is entirely obama’s fault or that the GOP has been a willing and able participant in finding a solution…
September 4th, 2012 at 4:33 PM
Similarly: it’s very easy to complain about women have babies for bigger welfare checks, or people who are getting unemployment benefits not trying to get a job, but those are closer to the exceptions than the rules.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:33 PM
it is true…but then again, you think mike from breaking bad is still alive.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Or that that Paul Ryan’s budgets increase the deficit dramatically, too.
/I think I heard that verified
September 4th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
I don’t think that anymore. But re: gains taxes, the gains haven’t already been taxed, have they?
September 4th, 2012 at 4:37 PM
the gains haven’t been taxed, but the initial investment was funded with after-tax $$$. im fine with cap gains where they’re at.
estate taxes on the other hand? WOOF. lets hike those suckers up to 75%…the heirs didnt earn shit.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:38 PM
You know that is not public information, right? You would have to ask the head of Obama’s “job council” himself. Read.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:40 PM
That was my mistake. I was referring to the investment, obviously not the gain (before it was ever gained).
September 4th, 2012 at 4:41 PM
That’s my (largely semantic) point. The investment is taxed, the yield is not. I think I’d like to see massive capital gains taxed higher though.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:41 PM
You know that is not public information, right? You would have to ask the head of Obama’s “job council” himself. Read.
Could you also get a copy of that Birth Certificate while you’re asking
September 4th, 2012 at 4:43 PM
$4.6 trillion added over 10 years. Again republicans never balance the budget nor do they care to.
Link:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2012/03/23/paul-ryans-budget-plan-more-big-tax-cuts-for-the-rich/
Last GOP balanced budget was Eisenhower.
Last balanced budget (surplus) was Clinton.
Stupid metric either way.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:46 PM
it most certainly is relevant. It potentially unearths a larger issue. If someone has built up credit card debt based on medical bills or pharmaceuticals, it speaks on the health insurance issues in this country. If someone has card debt built up based on gasoline, it speaks on the issue of exhoribitant gas prices. Food, mortgage/rent the same thing. It’s easier to throw out the red herring of a few people with bad spending habits than face the reality that many people in this economy are in survival mode and the card is a tool towards that mode and not being used as a luxury.
in other words, its someone else’s fault. look, those situations suck, but they are not the majority. the majority comes from you last example of a “red herring” of people with bad spending habits. newsflash, that is why we are in this mess because people cant spend properly, do not use debt properly, and will pay for useless shit they dont need, and will “pay it next month.”
September 4th, 2012 at 4:47 PM
well that’s just downright un-american. if youve got skin in the game and everyone benefits from there being a bigger pool of $$$, it’s fair…it’s getting enough skin in order to get into the game that skews the balance.
which is why i say fuck heirs.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:48 PM
Why doesn’t a Republican candidate have the balls to eliminate the corporate income tax? I’m curious to see what kind of results that could generate, if it would lead to theoretical job growth they’ll get that tax revenue back and then some
September 4th, 2012 at 4:49 PM
MP III – wtf are you talking about? If they don’t have a gold grill in, how will I know that the people working for minimum wage at Wendy’s actually have money, and are working there for the fun of it.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:49 PM
/shots fired at Spencer and his recent purchase of a Terrelle Pryor Fathead
September 4th, 2012 at 4:50 PM
/no coop
I will take a hot heiress though. Fake boobs are fine.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:50 PM
because democrats would probably get all whiny and shit and block any attempt to do so like the repubs did to obammer.
you and i both know the only solution is violent revolution.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:54 PM
the lack of accountablility in the country sickens me most. the dems want to blame other people, and the repubs want to act like stubborn jackasses. awesome.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:55 PM
That does remind me, I need to replenish my ammo stocks before the government goes crazy and prices go up again. My Glock is basically decorative now. Even that baby bunny the dog hurt had to get got with the .22, since I wasn’t wasting a $.75 bullet on him.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:56 PM
/shots fired at Spencer and his recent purchase of a Terrelle Pryor Fathead
hey, if spence has some extra cash for the busted players fathead, go for it. but if you buy all this shit on credit, then bitch about your mounting debt, go fuck yourself.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:57 PM
I agree, with the caveat that a lot of people are just too stupid to be accountable. Credit cards and mortgage lenders (at least 5 years ago) were completely predatory with their practices. While I fully abhor those who can’t show any sort of financial accountability and restraint, I do think there are institutions which bear a large amount of blame.
September 4th, 2012 at 4:57 PM
This was interesting Butters…http://wallstreetpit.com/96215-the-bane-of-corporate-existence-the-corporate-income-tax/
September 4th, 2012 at 4:58 PM
All inheritance must go to creditors first.
/the Spencer solution
September 4th, 2012 at 5:02 PM
uh…NO SHIT?
September 4th, 2012 at 9:19 PM
This goes beyond the simplistic and diversionary argument of who’s fault it is. I know the Republicans play that line to some of their most simple minded constituents, as if everything in this complex American and world economy can be solved by personal responsibiltiy.
September 4th, 2012 at 9:22 PM
September 4th, 2012 at 9:22 PM
http://bucks.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/medical-costs-contribute-to-credit-card-debt/